". . . people making jokes about rape bother me in a way that no joke about the Holocaust ever has."
--Jamie Solomon, Stanford Daily
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/11/16/on-the-margins-between-the-lines-joking-about-rape/
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Rape hysteria in the US, is such a virulent strain, because folks are fed the misinformation that women and girls Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, lie about rape.
There are organizations that deal with false rape accusations that are re-defining what the meaning of is, is, in order to tell the public that women and girls never lie about rape.
No comments on that piece of journalistic trash. Says it all.
". . . people making jokes about rape bother me in a way that no joke about the Holocaust ever has."
Jokes about millions of people being murdered in the gas chambers, the ovens, beatings, slave-labor, torture, actual rapes, mutilation, forced medical experimentation, etc are in Jamie's strange reality less traumatic than jokes about rape?
Jamie Solomon is a member of The Jewish Student Association at Stanford.
http://jewish.stanford.edu/about-us.html
Jamie's comment demonstrates her immaturity and lack of perspective. I'm a Jewish man and am not surprised by the unrealistic and modern self-absorbed attitude of girls such as Jamie. It is not surprising that many Jewish men don't want to marry or just date them. We know better.
I would be curious to know if Jamie's fellow male Jewish students are openly criticizing her comment or if those men have been so beaten up by misandry and feminism that they aren't saying anything.
Aharon
I think the reason that jokes are being made about rape today, is because various groups have trashed the real crime.
They have taken the real serious crime, and turned it into an iffy-wiffy he-said/she-said, maybe I'll change my mind two weeks afterwards type of crime...
Also, comparing a crime against one individual to the murder and extermination of millions of people is indicative of severe mental retardataion.
As the world evolves, internet communication deepens through-out the world, the questions will be asked what are the consequences of re-defining rape to include the ridiculous notion that " Rape is to include when a condom breaks, its Rape".
All these re-definitions and semantics games may serve to "Empower" the few in the gender-feminist community, but will have long term consequences that are significant and far reaching.
Returning the truth as a basic cornerstone to American Law enforcement, at this point in the history of the United states, would have significant and far reaching consequences.
One of the more immediate and far reaching consequences of making truth a cornerstone of US law enforcement, would be the loud mouth Gender feminist community would no longer have the inflammatory rhetoric to Inflame their way to "Empowerment" any more.
I followed the link and I read Ms Solomon's article, which I have no doubt is an accurate reflection of her thoughts. It is also altogether a resounding condemnation of the depth of her thinking and a striking example of her lack of maturity and acceptance of misinformation.
To begin with, the old one-in-four canard is floated again. Without an extraordinarily broad definition of rape, which includes wheedling, bribing, or trading services for sex consent that would otherwise not be obtainable, plus counting using a position the female disfavored, the fact that at the time of consent the female was too buzzed to drive, and the occasional condom rupture, no sentient reader believes the one-in-four statistic, and those who quote it do so at risk of devaluing their other comments.
Secondly, date "rape" (non-violent sex without "valid" consent albeit with voluntary disrobing and joining the "rapist" in bed), without violence or force or threat thereof is very different from forcible or aggravated rape, which no reader of this blog in any way condones or defends.
Many date "rapes" are the performance of the same act between the same two individuals as occurred with "full consent" the evening before, whether due to missed communication, missed signals, too much alcohol for "valid consent", or simple next-day buyers regret. To equate this sort of "rape" with death, much less the death of millions indicates the writer is either a gender raunch ideologue, or bespeaks of a terribly immature and shallow thought process.
Were I to have the opportunity to pose one question to Ms Solomon, it would be: "Tell me, honestly, would you rather be subjected to having sex that you drunkenly consented to with someone you would not ordinarily copulate with, or would you rather take a Zyklon-B shower?" Only if those two alternatives are equally distasteful to her would that type of rape be equivalent to a small fraction of the Holocaust. Only if she would prefer the Zyklon-B shower might she reasonably consider "rape" worse than the Holocaust.
Even for the survivors of brutal aggravated rape, being a survivor is, at least for most, better than the alternative.
Ms Solomon, like everyone else, is certainly entitled to her own opinon; she is not entitled to her own facts.
Memories of the holocaust are fading from our collective memory.
Ms.Selfishshit cannot see beyond her own nose. Her chances of reliving the holocaust is small compared to being involved in a drunken encounter called rape.
No books or movies can actually teach the horrors of those who experienced the holocaust first hand.
Having experienced the horrors of feminists first hand - and make no doubt about it there ARE holocaust repeats going on in our society right now - I've come to some dim understanding of just how evil it was.
One of the more ignorant comments I've seen here: "Ms Solomon, like everyone else, is certainly entitled to her own opinon; she is not entitled to her own facts."
And neither are YOU.
Date rape is forcible sexual intercourse by a male acquaintance of a woman, during a voluntary social engagement in which the woman did not intend to submit to the sexual advances and resisted the acts by verbal refusals, denials or pleas to stop, and/or physical resistance.
And please don't undermine the seriousness of date rape by referring to it as "this sort of rape...".
Was actually trying to contact the moderator, but the "contact" link leads me to a blogger to contact my friends.
Anyway, I hope you guys are keeping track of all these false rape claims, and contacting the newspapers, etc., when they are too quick to call the accuser a "victim".
Also, it would be great to have an archive of all the false rape claims you have tracked over the years. It would disprove the 2% false rape claim numbers put out by organizations like N.O.W.
How sick and perverted can the re-definition, after re-definition, after re-definition of rape get, before hetero-relations in general suffer significantly???
Gretchen, calm down. Rape is rape. FRS agrees. "Date" rape is problematic for law enforcement due to the evidentiary hurdles, but that doesn't make rape any less rape.
Gretchen A...
"Date rape is forcible sexual intercourse by a male acquaintance of a woman, during a voluntary social engagement in which the woman did not intend to submit to the sexual advances and resisted the acts by verbal refusals, denials or pleas to stop, and/or physical resistance."
You have a very sexist definition I'm afraid.
She should try telling that to a holocaust survivor.
Thanks Gwallan, I was just going to say something along those lines.
Gretchen, what about when both parties are drunk. How come the man in that situation is the only one held up as a "rapist"?
What a sexist bigot you are.
Based on Gretchen's definition of date-rape I think I've been raped a few times by women when I was younger and lived in San Francisco. It hasn't happened lately so I guess I'm losing my youthful beauty.
Gretchen,
You are being sexist. Tell us what you think should be the sentence or punishment, by a court, for a woman found guilty of filing a false rape accusation against a man. What should be the punishment for a woman whose lies sent an innocent man to prison and had his life destroyed by a FRA?
BTW, do you agree that rape jokes are worse than jokes about the Holocaust?
Aharon
Ridulous, stupid, self absorbed woman.
How many ignorant comments is Aharan entitled to in one thread? Here's another eye-roller:
"BTW, do you agree that rape jokes are worse than jokes about the Holocaust?"
Your Holocaust smokescrean is so damn obvious. Why don't you address the real issues in her article.
For those who accuse me being a sexist, don't. You can replace the pronouns but you cannot change the definition of RAPE. Another smokescrean?
What should be the punishment for a woman whose lies sent an innocent man to prison and had his life destroyed by a FRA?
I don't have the answer. Unlike rape, an FRA is not a direct physical violation.
Osama bin Laden committed no "direct physical violation." Neither did Charles Manson the night Sharon Tate and the others were butchered.
Sometimes a false rape claim can result in a fate worse than rape. Trust me, I can rattle off many recent examples, so let's please not play the Oppression Olympics here.
We have preached here many times recently that words matter, that rape is a word that should be treated as sacrosanct. It should never be uttered as a joke, but even more important, it should never be uttered as a false claim.
Gretchen,
I'll call you a sexist, because you are. And I notice that you still haven't answered the question. And anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows why. And Aharon is welcome to post as many times as he wishes. Hell, we let your posts through, and you are the one who is being the offensive sexist bigot.
Thanks for stopping by.
If you're going to make a comparison, do it honestly.
Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson intentionally orchestrated the tortuous death of many human beings. That is not your typical FRA.
"Sometimes a false rape claim can result in a fate worse than rape." The word "sometimes" is a good keyword to throw in. How can anyone argue against "sometimes"?
Gretchen, you seem to want to trivialize the harm of false rape accustations by suggesting that since there is no "direct physical harm" from a typical FRA, somehow, it can't be as injurious as a typical rape. If we are understanding your intent correctly, your comment is as offensive to the community of wrongly accused as it is inane.
In the vast majority of cases, FRAs cause at least serious and often grievous harm. In contrast, if I gently poke someone in the chest while making a point, that's a "direct physical violation." Would any sane person suggest the latter harm is the equivalent of the former? The question scarcely survives its statement. And please don't unfairly accuse me of dishonesty again -- I am using your own words to illustrate that your argument is a snare and a delusion.
We do not allow persons to comment here who sancitmously trivialize the harm to our readers and countless innocent men victimized by a crime too many people want to pretend is a myth. This blog is intended to be a safe harbor for victims. Kindly respect that you are our guest here or you will not have your voice heard again.
"BTW, do you agree that rape jokes are worse than jokes about the Holocaust?"
A legitimate question. The only "smokescreen" is trying to change the subject.
It's been a while since I've posted. But I must comment here.
The Manson analogy is apt given that Gretchen used as her litmus test "direct physical harm." My suggestion is to ban her. She's a troll. I haven't seen one thing she's said here that's advanced the interests of the falsely accused.
Axel, I have gone back and reviewed her comments, and I tend to agree. She's not here for the right purpose. This is not a debating society or Speakers Corner at Hyde Park. It's a safe haven. Her remarks evince an insensitivity to the falsely accused.
Gretchen is like one of the Klans-women who say, while standing in front of some young black men hanging to death says.." We dun gut no harm in thems false rape accuzations". no-body gits hurt from a little white lie ever once in a while."
Theres no harm in a false rape accusation if your'e as "willfully Ignorant" as a beast.
In Jamie's defense, I'm fairly certain that more than 12 million people have been raped, and far more than that number have been kept in sex slavery.
These wounds are also often a bit more fresh than those of the Holocaust. Rape, after all, still happens every day.
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