Saturday, December 17, 2011

National fraternity is willing to throw innocent frat brothers under the bus to make a statement about conduct demeaning to women

The national Sigma Phi Epsilon organization has said there is no indication that a University of Vermont chapter of its fraternity sanctioned the online survey asking fraternity brothers whom they would rape, see here, and UVM officials have said it was unclear who wrote the survey, whether the survey was sent out, or whether anybody responded. 

Yet, prior to the conclusion of an ongoing investigation, the national fraternity said it is "indefinitely closing” the chapter, noting that "any behavior that demeans women is not tolerated by the fraternity."

Refusing to condone bad taste behavior that is in demeaning to anyone is, of course, an appropriate impulse. The national fraternity has every right to police its image and to insist that a certain level of civility is maintained. What is not an appropriate impulse is caving in to PC bloodlust and to punish all the members of a local fraternity for misconduct that might have been caused by just one or two frat brothers.  Sigma Phi Epsilon's rush to judgment smacks of politicized pandering, and that is never done for a proper purpose.

A number of questions present themselves. Two of the more interesting are as follows: first, if the survey had originated in an organization other than a fraternity, would there have been such an overwhelming outcry to punish the entire organization before it was determined whether the organization, or a rogue member, was responsible for it?  If the answer is "no," what does that say about how fraternities are perceived to the outside world, and is that perception justified?

Second, as Abby W. Schachter, writing in the New York Post, put it: "Would the . . . national fraternal organization have reacted any differently if the survey had been about potential male rape victims instead of female rape victims?"  See here.  

15 comments:

billy williams said...

This is the feminist definition of collateral damage,Good Grief!

ScareCrow said...

Is my mail getting routed to your spam box again?

I contacted the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity, and they said that they cannot confirm or deny anything - because the investigation has "just started".

If you want me to send the contact info to you again - please ask, I have a feeling that you would be better at speaking to these people than me.

I have a gut feeling that no survey ever existed, or if it did, it did not say "rape", but something along the lines of "f--k"

John David Galt said...

Isn't this blog itself equally guilty of throwing those men under the bus, since it has declared all jokes about rape intolerable?

All beliefs should be laughed at.

Doug1 said...

I seems to me that the whole thing is massive over reaction on the part of the university and national fraternal organization.

It seems to me the thing was obviously a joke poking fun at way over the top radical feminist date rape hysteria, whether by one member, a group of them, or the whole frat.

It wasn't done to demean women but rather to make fun of some of them.

I think absolutely nothing should be done when they explain it's a joke, by either the university or the national chapter.

I think you've taken this way to seriously as well. Yeah you're right about not taking action until there's an investigation, but even no action should be taken.

IT WAS A JOKE.

Also it was not really in poor taste. Feminist rape hysteria has become dangerous to men, and it should be made fun of and ridiculed even.

Anonymous said...

"Isn't this blog itself equally guilty of throwing those men under the bus, since it has declared all jokes about rape intolerable?"

As much as I support this blog, I tend to agree with that. People shouldn't be punished for making jokes. This whole thing is all about politics and nothing about principle. If a sorority did the same alleged thing, no one would care. If a fraternity asked who they would want to kill, no one would have even heard about it.

This has nothing to do with preventing rape. Rapists are violent pathological criminals. Their actions are not influenced by fraternity pranks, or some mysterious "rape culture". The joke is thinking that shutting down this fraternity could have the slightest effect on rape.

Archivist said...

I'm beginning to agree with you. The incredible overreaction to a this incivility is beginning to irritate me.

Anonymous said...

As an adult man, in public, I find the rape joke in poor taste though not surprising for a student. When are people going to realize emails and the Internet are not 100% guaranteed private? The common jokes in society about male sexual mutilation by women including women public school and university teachers, feminist leaders, and media talking heads is common. The 'rape joke' by the frat student itself is an interesting and natural human response and an emotional backlash to the acceptable misandry in our society. If a sorority chapter circulated a survey asking its members who would they like to rape and castrate, feminists would laugh and school officials just roll their eyes. IMO, this blog could simply focus on the sexual-violence double-standards in our society.

I'm a Jewish man and among other Jewish men we've shared some hysterical sexual jokes about Jewish women. The Jewish women do the same joking and probably much worse about us Jewish men.

Feminists, women, the schools, the fraternities and sororities, the mass media, and others really need to get a life and chill out. Bottom line: this is just another excuse (like the Slut March) reaction to a non-issue so modern women on their anti-depressants can rant like the spoiled and immature children they really are demanding more entitlements on the way to creating their matriarchal utopian nightmare.

BTW, the male response to the male fraternity cave-in and feminist over-reaction will simply be a quiet further recruiting to the MM, and more men MGTOW and Ghosting.

Atlas Laughed (AL)

Anonymous said...

"IMO, this blog could simply focus on the sexual-violence double-standards in our society."

Clarification: I meant to write or express that when it comes to reporting or taking a position on this specific case the FRS could simply choose to focus on the double standards males experience with misandry and sexual violence. It's obvious that female violence in all its many forms is generally tolerated, even encouraged, or hidden based on the political context. I find the FRS site one of the finest pro-male Internet sites on the web. Thank you.

Atlas Laughed (AL)

ScareCrow said...

In addition to agreeing with several comments above...

Isn't it also true, that we are fighting for "innocent until proven guilty"?

So far, the actual "survey" has not even surfaced... So, as far as I am concerned, until I see that survey, it did not even exist.

And, if it does exist, were they the ones that actually wrote it, and was it really meant to be serious.

As I mentioned, from reading various news sourced, a rumor is popping up more and more that an over-zealous "gender-bigot" who has done things like this in the past fabricated the whole thing.

Anonymous said...

What makes you think any frat brother at all, had anything to do with this ???Rape survey???.
How do we know this girl didn't write it herself???

Anonymous said...

Do we know for certain that the survey wasn't initiated by a feminist not within the fraternity in question?

Anonymous said...

My apologies to all as I had incorrectly understood the case earlier to be one where some physical evidence (emails, other) had been found linking the fraternity chapter or an individual member. Indeed it is very possible that a feminist is behind the rumor, claim, or creation of the alleged survey.

Anon 6:16 I thank you Sir! The MRAs here at the FRS should know as well as anyone the depths of unethical game playing and false allegations that women and feminist do on a daily basis. In my mind the entire chapter is completely innocent of any such joke. Let others prove a man or the men of your house otherwise.

Atlas Laughed

Anonymous said...

Quote: "I contacted the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity, and they said that they cannot confirm or deny anything - because the investigation has "just started"."

Seriously, what did you expect? That's how ALL outsiders are handled. Believing that Pierce can get through to them is so naive.

If anything, Pierce will hear something along these lines: .... this type behavior is not tolerated and does not reflect the values and ideals of Sigma Phi, and the incident is being fully investigated.

Despite all the secrecy, progress IS being made. This may be the first time a frat has been suspended for demeaning women.

Do you suppose somebody finally caught on that the "demeaning of women" is one of the first things pledges learn?

Anonymous said...

"The joke is thinking that shutting down this fraternity could have the slightest effect on rape."

Very true, but not for the reason you think.

A suspended frat can easily re-organize at an off campus site, even though their existence is not recognized by the school.

Anonymous said...

"What makes you think any frat brother at all, had anything to do with this ???Rape survey???.
How do we know this girl didn't write it herself???"

Trust me, it was Si Phi. If National is convinced, then the survey does exist and it originated with Si Phi upperclassmen.

The extra questions on the survey were designed to BRAINWASH pledges.