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The Community of the Wrongly Accused is opposed by extremists whose PC metanarrative, in a nutshell, finds an unmistakable correlation between evil and gender. They typically attack us with a conclusory, smug attribution of misogyny (e.g., they brand us "rape apologists") because we have the audacity to give voice to persons wrongly accused of rape and to the presumptively innocent for whom a rape accusation often is its own conviction in the court of public opinion.
Since our opponents are incapable of proffering a rational basis for their opposition, they often incant soundbytes premised on untruths, but mostly they resort to puerile, sometimes profane, insults,which merely underscore the absence of any reasoned basis for their disagreement.
Thanks, Ben Fenton, for helping us make our case.
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Mr pierce, what gives yer detractors all their ammunition is that fact that American law enforcement are not charging false rape accusers. By not charging false rape accusers, the average American is being fed the misinformation that women and girls never, ever, ever, ever, lie about rape; when in reality as one sheriff from the state of Florida boldly stated here months ago, we are in the middle of an epidemic of false rape accusations in this country.
The Misinformation and manufactured statistics of American law enforcement are not only perversely "Empowering" gender-feminists at the expense of the truth; there actions are unconstitutional.
I believe that fighting the perversion after the fact, ( the fact of American law enforcement perversion of statistics) is like don Quixote fighting a windmill with his toothbrush.
”Mr pierce, what gives yer detractors all their ammunition is that fact that American law enforcement are not charging false rape accusers.”
Really? All their ammunition? What about all the many cases in which law enforcement isn’t even involved? There sure have been a lot of them (recently) involving college in inquests, the military, and even those taken to friends and family instead of LE. And, of course, this doesn’t even consider that volume of FRA’s that we learn of that are committed in other countries. But still, in your small mind, the whole issue of false rape comes down to American Law Enforcement lack of response?
”I believe that fighting the perversion after the fact, ( the fact of American law enforcement perversion of statistics)”
Just because you badly misunderstand the issue, including the role that the statistics gathered from police records, doesn’t mean that everyone isn’t able to have a better grasp of the reality that surrounds us.
Here’s the real “scoop”. The Sexual Grievance Industry isn’t in alliance with Law Enforcement. In fact, the SGI rather dislikes LE, and complains constantly that they aren’t aggressive enough, don’t pursue cases aggressively enough, don’t charge enough, don’t try enough, don’t get enough convictions, and …. That they aren’t reporting enough.
It was announced today that the FBI has bowed to SGI pressure, and is going to be changing their definition of rape
FBI to change definition of ‘rape’ for the first time since 1929
Here’s a telling snippet from that article:
”The revamped description will be broader, pleasing activists who say current definition leads to the low-balling of sexual assault cases, and also discourages victims to come forward.”
You see, the SGI believes that the police are under-reporting the number of rapes that are alleged. And, they have been working to try to force LE to come up with higher numbers of rape cases so that they (the SGI) can better promote their “Rape Hysteria” agenda. The numbers that they have been getting from LE via the Uniform Crime Reporting of the Dept. Of Justice haven’t worked in favor of their claims about the frequency and severity of the crime of rape.
But, then again, the SGI has never liked LE and never trusted them to do (as they see it) the “right thing”. Even Dr. Eugene Kanin recognized this reality, and called the relationship between the SGI and LE “adversarial”. And, when they have been free from the specter of actual statistics, they have simply made-up even worse ones – like the factually discredited lie that false rape reports amount to only about 2% of all reported rapes. In case you haven’t been able to understand my repeated explanations that Susan Brownmiller wasn’t using any perverted LE generated stats, but rather simply pulled the number she liked out of her ass, maybe you’ll accept that reality if someone else points it out to you. How about you read what Edward Greer has to say about it (http://llr.lls.edu/volumes/v33-issue3/greer.pdf)?
The issue of false rape allegations is much, much bigger than simply a matter of LE not charging enough, nor of LE looking to generate statistical numbers. It’s about women with personal agenda’s being able to feel that they will be believed when they chose to false claim that they have been raped. That’s why the push from the SGI isn’t aimed just at LE, but at colleges, the military, and even the public at-large. It’s about trying to have women be believed all the time, in every instance that one says that she’s been raped.
Law Enforcement, though it has been wildly “dysfunctional” for many years on the issue of false rapes has NOT been the ally of the SGI. This latest effort to change the definition of rape is just another attempt to force their hand into better fulfilling the wishes of the SGI.
”I believe that fighting the perversion after the fact, ( the fact of American law enforcement perversion of statistics) is like don Quixote fighting a windmill with his toothbrush.”
At least you acknowledge that you are as misunderstanding and as misguided as Don Quixote. And, in fact, you are fighting a windmill. The statistics about rape and sexual assault aren’t the real enemy. There are real battles raging all over the FRA landscape, but you chose to charge off after an inanimate, and not particularly relevant, symbol that you’ve imagined a dragon.
” According to the FBI’s website, the proposed new definition is “penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.””
All of this is, of course, the result of a “strawman” set up as part of a larger public disinformation campaign. The terms “anal rape”, “rape by foreign object”, and “digital penetration” have long been part of the Law Enforcement lexicon. It’s not as if real perpetrators have been getting away with doing such things simply because they did not fit into the FBI definition of rape.
And, the fact is, anyone who can use a computer and can read written English at an 8th-grade level can go to the DOJ site (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/rapemain) and read for themselves that the category entitled “Forcible Rape” is populated with data which is in accordance with the following (emphasis mine):
Definition
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
Data collection
• The UCR Program counts one offense for each female victim of a forcible rape, attempted forcible rape, or assault with intent to rape, regardless of the victim’s age. A rape by force involving a female victim and a familial offender is counted as a forcible rape and not an act of incest. All other crimes of a sexual nature are considered to be Part II offenses; as such, the UCR Program collects only arrest data for those crimes. The offense of statutory rape, in which no force is used but the female victim is under the age of consent, is included in the arrest total for the sex offenses category. Sexual attacks on males are counted as aggravated assaults or sex offenses, depending on the circumstances and the extent of any injuries.
• For this overview only, the FBI deviated from standard procedure and manually calculated the 2009 and 2010 rates of females raped based on the national female population provided by the U.S. Census Bureau.
They aren’t leaving off sexual assaults that didn’t fit the old FBI definition of rape. It says so right there in the DOJ’s own publication. The whole effort to change the definition of rape is just a game of semantics, which may have some effect in the actual charging of sexual offenders, but which clearly seems to be a larger effort at duping the public into believing that police and prosecutors have been engaged in letting sexual offenders off easy based on the FBI definition; and that the real numbers of rapes are being under-counted, also based on that old definition. Clearly, neither of these is true.
Yes, there is a campaign of misinformation being conducted regarding the crimes of rape and sexual assault (and, of course, false allegation of these crimes) – but it isn’t being waged by local law enforcement units. It’s coming, top-down, from the Federal government and from the Sexual Grievance Industry, aided by the old-guard leftist/liberal press, and is aimed mostly at public opinion (although in the guise of policy changes).[/rant]
It is bizarre, how people who are supposedly so "opposed" to something often wish it on other people.
They are so against rape, that they hope others get raped.
I've heard that before. And of course - I encountered it in many areas outside this realm too.
hey man
about that snapshot of that comment
would it be ok with you if I saved/shared it online as an example of misandry?
The idiocy of Ben's comment speaks for itself. But just to add to that, anyone who thinks you're only "five" is just plain stupid. Not only to we at NCFM support you but here are men's rights groups forming and growing all over the world that support this very cause, even if they're not active on this site. So Ben and his ilk can spew all the idiocy they want, but that changes nothing. http://ncfm.org/2011/04/issues/mens-rights-movements-around-the-world/
Marc A. is one of the great advocates for this cause. Thank you, Marc.
Anon at 1:56: of course! And thanks.
While it's true that the SGI's relationship with law enforcement is "adversarial," that doesn't mean they're not influencing them. They're in a far better relationship with law enforcement than men's rights groups are, despite the adversary. They create special feminist groups with law enforcement, such as the Office of Violence Against Women that's within the DoJ. That's how they put serious pressure on law enforcement to do what they want, even if it's an adversarial relationship. And nobody consults the men's rights groups.
"Thursday, December 8, 2011
Ben Fenton says there are five of us in real life, and we salivate for the day when rape is legal".
He is a liar. Rape is already legal (prison rape). There is also the rape of men/boys/males in every facet of american/international law.
slwerner said...
”Mr pierce, what gives yer detractors all their ammunition is that fact that American law enforcement are not charging false rape accusers.”
Really? All their ammunition? What about all the many cases in which law enforcement isn’t even involved? There sure have been a lot of them (recently) involving college in inquests, the military, and even those taken to friends and family instead of LE. And, of course, this doesn’t even consider that volume of FRA’s that we learn of that are committed in other countries. But still, in your small mind, the whole issue of false rape comes down to American Law Enforcement lack of response?
”I believe that fighting the perversion after the fact, ( the fact of American law enforcement perversion of statistics)”
Just because you badly misunderstand the issue, including the role that the statistics gathered from police records, doesn’t mean that everyone isn’t able to have a better grasp of the reality that surrounds us.
Here’s the real “scoop”. The Sexual Grievance Industry isn’t in alliance with Law Enforcement. In fact, the SGI rather dislikes LE, and complains constantly that they aren’t aggressive enough, don’t pursue cases aggressively enough, don’t charge enough, don’t try enough, don’t get enough convictions, and …. That they aren’t reporting enough.
It was announced today that the FBI has bowed to SGI pressure, and is going to be changing their definition of rape
FBI to change definition of ‘rape’ for the first time since 1929
Here’s a telling snippet from that article:
”The revamped description will be broader, pleasing activists who say current definition leads to the low-balling of sexual assault cases, and also discourages victims to come forward.”
You see, the SGI believes that the police are under-reporting the number of rapes that are alleged. And, they have been working to try to force LE to come up with higher numbers of rape cases so that they (the SGI) can better promote their “Rape Hysteria” agenda. The numbers that they have been getting from LE via the Uniform Crime Reporting of the Dept. Of Justice haven’t worked in favor of their claims about the frequency and severity of the crime of rape.
But, then again, the SGI has never liked LE and never trusted them to do (as they see it) the “right thing”. Even Dr. Eugene Kanin recognized this reality, and called the relationship between the SGI and LE “adversarial”. And, when they have been free from the specter of actual statistics, they have simply made-up even worse ones – like the factually discredited lie that false rape reports amount to only about 2% of all reported rapes. In case you haven’t been able to understand my repeated explanations that Susan Brownmiller wasn’t using any perverted LE generated stats, but rather simply pulled the number she liked out of her ass, maybe you’ll accept that reality if someone else points it out to you. How about you read what Edward Greer has to say about it (http://llr.lls.edu/volumes/v33-issue3/greer.pdf)?
The issue of false rape allegations is much, much bigger than simply a matter of LE not charging enough, nor of LE looking to generate statistical numbers. It’s about women with personal agenda’s being able to feel that they will be believed when they chose to false claim that they have been raped. That’s why the push from the SGI isn’t aimed just at LE, but at colleges, the military, and even the public at-large. It’s about trying to have women be believed all the time, in every instance that one says that she’s been raped.
Law Enforcement, though it has been wildly “dysfunctional” for many years on the issue of false rapes has NOT been the ally of the SGI. This latest effort to change the definition of rape is just another attempt to force their hand into better fulfilling the wishes of the SGI.
Dec 8, 2011 10:58:00 AM
Sir, if you were ever to be called a liar, I would never believe it.
"Here’s the real “scoop”. The Sexual Grievance Industry isn’t in alliance with Law Enforcement."
it most certainly is -- tho that alliance is largely unofficial, and thus plausibly deniable
prohibition, the drug war, the sex war -- the "criminals" from these mass social movements are overwhelmingly boys and men, and feminism/the matriarchy is very much in collusion with law enforcement, the courts, the bar associations, the court administrative agencies, and on and on go the profiteers of the desctruction of males and masculinity
as female pre-prosecutors continue to pour out of u.s. law schools -- under advantaged circumstances, of course -- theyre gonna have to find SOMEBODY to persecute, oops prosecute
and their targets arent going to be women... so the beat will go on
"In fact, the SGI rather dislikes LE, and complains constantly that they aren’t aggressive enough, don’t pursue cases aggressively enough, don’t charge enough, don’t try enough, don’t get enough convictions, and …. That they aren’t reporting enough."
an obvious tactic to shame/force the police, courts, legislatures etc. to get even tougher on MALE "criminals"
we could have 90 percent of u.s. men behind bars, and the matriarchy would still be screeching that "too many perpetrators are escaping justice"
the profitable predation of american law-enforcement etc on u.s. boys and men is ubiquitous and evil, and the persecutors of maleness will answer for their actions
The alleged rape victim gets interview by a nurse trained in sexual assault,who knows how to get the evidence needed for a conviction, this nurse and others also coach this person what to say in court/to LEO.
So it would be fair to say LEO's have their hands tied behind their backs in regards to getting at the truth.
The shelters have advocates that will speak for this alleged victim in court, she does not even have to speak herself.
LEO"S are victims of their own court system?
Is this too much to be believed?
Why do my comments not show?
I just don't believe that using protocol perversions and semantics games to manufacture faulty and inflammatory rhetoric is in the scope of "Policing powers" that the US constitution allows law enforcement to engage in.
I don't believe they are qualified for this.
Are we witnessing the oppression dynamics of the future??? Law enforcement's using protocol perversions and semantics games to manufacture faulty and inflammatory statistics???
The truth is revolutionary!! If politics were removed from American law enforcement and violent women were held equally accountable for their violence, each and every time they smacked someone, or made false accusations to law enforcement officers America would change drastically, as gender-feminists would no longer control American universities.
Obviously, Ben Fenton doesn't know anything about this blog. He's an angry young feminist who "Knows" that this site "must" hate women and support rape.
I would say that his kind salivate for the day when false rape claims are legal, but they practically are now.
Pierce, the kid is an idiot. I hope for his sake he's getting some, he's such a dopey white knight. Except he maligns false rape victims. He wrote a rambling, incoherent screed against FRS that only proves he's really, really stupid, do not waste another second on him. He's brainless. Among other things he writes: "If you understood anything about rape crisis and domestic violence in relation to the police and courts, you would know that from the time a woman is raped until her rapist is sentenced–if, by slim chance, they are–that woman faces a devastation that no falsely accused person ever experiences. You don’t know what rape is like, do you Paul?"
He thinks you are Paul Elam, which is a compliment, and he doesn't know you're an attorney. A truly worthless piece of shit this kid is.
Thanks, all.
I actually blocked this kid's email so I don't have to look at it. He's got cornflakes for brains. For the life of me, I don't know what set this genius off. But nor do I care.
Pierce, you and steve are doing an excellent job managing this blog!!
I'm guessing there is one feminist troll behind "Ben" in real life,and that she salivates for the day when false allegations of rape & domestic violence are legal.
Sounds like Ben lives in mortal fear of the day when women don't have the rape trump card to play in any/all situations with impunity.
Please make an example of this idiot by suing him for defamation.
I know. The angriest, smuggest people we deal with are young radical feminist men.
The funny part is that dicks like Ben come to this site expecting it to be one thing, and then the more he quotes us, the more it's obvious that he doesn't understand the complexity of these issues, the nuance. Fuck, I'm more liberal than the average liberal on many aspects of rape. They can't stand the fact that this blog has punctured a hole in their narrative that every rape claim is a rape.
I've looked at his blog. He's an idiot. His idea of making his case is to state conclusions. "FRS is the devil! They hate women!" He is incapable of arguing the issues.
Many people are naive and don't understand what is really happening. In another story that was posted on this blog today, a Psychiatrist faked her own rape. The False Rape Society stands for truth and justice, by exposing this serious problem. Its easy to downplay this problem in society by those who know nothing about this issue. All the while an unknown number of innocent men languish in prison falsely accused of a crime second to murder. I ask the people who critique the False Rape Society, what would you do if you were falsely accused of any crime? Who would you turn to? There are innocent men doing real prison time, languishing in prison for decades, because as the cliché goes women never lie.
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