She was given the minimum possible, but it will be up to the parole board to determine if she stays beyond that. While I realize that it was the murders that garnered the sentence, none of it would have happened, if not for the false rape claim.
Priscilla Ramirez, was sentenced to 16 years for second-degree murder. After she told her cousein that she had been raped, he and friend of his, went to the apartment of her boyfriend, Everett Antonio Taylor. While there, Philip Perez Gonzalez Jr. (the cousin) and Michael Lee Armstrong (the friend) began roughing up Mr. Taylor. But it didn't end there. Mr. Armstrong then pulled out a gun and shot and killed Mr. Taylor, and another man, Deshawn Dante Holloway.
While there is no mention of a reason, since this was her boyfriend, I can only assume some form of argument occurred between Mr. Taylor and Ms. Ramirez.
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"While I realize that it was the murders that garnered the sentence, none of it would have happened, if not for the false rape claim."
I'm not sure about the California Statutes, but, in Colorado, she could have been charged under our Felony Murder statute, which allows anyone who's actions lead to a murder being committed can be held equally culpable with another who actually does the killing.
But what if Mr. Taylor had not be shot and killed, but rather severely beaten, and left permanently disabled from that beating? Would statutes covering the incitement of violence have been adequate to ensure that Priscilla Ramirez was help properly accountable, or would her cousins alone have been held responsible?
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This case, as do the many instance wherein the false accusers end up getting little or no punishment all point to the need for statutes which not only recognize false accusations (of felonies) as also being felony level offenses, but which also, in no uncertain terms, identify the falsely accused as the victim of the crime.
False accusations may still be considered a Libel against the accuse, but they should also be considered a criminal act, which can be addressed in the Criminal Justice System (instead of only having the Civil Courts in which to seek justice), and which treat the falsely accused as the primary victim rather than simply “collateral damage” in the misdemeanor offense of make a false report to police.[/soapbox]
Womens violence by proxy. It is a serious perversion of American law enforcement that has fostered and enabled a now "Culture of false rape accusations" to get this rooted into America.
Its not only a perversion, its unconstitutional.
S - ”Womens violence by proxy. It is a serious perversion of American law enforcement that has fostered and enabled a now "Culture of false rape accusations" to get this rooted into America.”
Seriously, try reading the articles first.
Not only was there no involvement in the rape allegation by LE, but it was LE that investigated, charged, tried, convicted, and saw this woman sentenced to prison.
And, try to at least be logically consistent. The use of false rape claims by women to incite men to violence is much older than that which you repeatedly cite as the modern perversion of LE. You, yourself have repeatedly referenced the lynching of black men in the Jim Crow Era south. Thus, you, yourself, disprove your assertion that the issue of FRA’s has been due to the alleged perversions (over the past 40 years).
FRA’s have no doubt been used for as long as men have reacted violently to women crying rape. The “cause and effect” are quite simple. A woman gets raped, and her husband, family, and even other concerned men all set upon her rapist. Other women observe how men react to learning of a rape, and intuit that if they claim to have been raped, they could easily spark that same sort of reaction. This is surely as old as history.
It’s not the result of some feminist inspired legal perversions, nor is it due to some secret bounty system of federal dollars for rape accusations. It doesn’t even require LE at all (read the story above, for example).
This is where your persistent back-handed white-knighting on behalf of the accusers FAILS. You always argue to “blame the police, not he women”, even when there is no police involvement at all. How, exactly, was the situation detailed in the article above A)incited by police/LE, B) the fault of police for not preventing her from making a false allegation, C) the fault of LE for not acting to punish her, or D) how this event differs from murderous violence emanating from other historical instances of FRA’s
Since you cannot answer these four elements, which compose the core of your theory of LE being at the heart of FRA’s, it seems that your theory is simply crap.
Yes, sometime LE does screw-up. But you need to stop white-knighting on the behalf of the women who make FRA's, and learn to blame the women when only the woman are to blame.
MR werner, you say Im ???White knighting??? by not putting the blame for false rape accusations on the women and girls that make them.
I say, I am putting the blame where it deserves to be put, i put the blame for false rape accusations on women, by "legally blaming them";to translate into simpleton terms, that means blaming women "BY CHARGING THEM", when they make accusations of rape that are not true.
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S - ”I say, I am putting the blame where it deserves to be put, i put the blame for false rape accusations on women, by "legally blaming them"”
Semantic Games?
You don’t actually ever directly blame women, even when it is obviously entirely on them, and them alone. The closet you come is to say that police don’t stop them from making FRA’s [I see this as akin to those frivolous lawsuits brought by people who did stupid things, but wish to blame someone else for not doing enough to prevent them from doing so], and that they don’t charge them (even though, they sometime do).
But, I cannot recall a single instance in which you straight-up stated that the FRA and it’s outcomes were the sole responsibility of the woman who chose to make that false claim.
The story above gave you the perfect instance to do so. A woman got mad at her boyfriend, told her cousin that he’s raped her, and her cousin beat and shot him over the false accusation. The police and Law enforcement were not involved in the FRA what-so-ever; and, further, they did arrest, investigate, charge, try, convict, and see her sentenced to prison [can you name one thing they did wrong?].
Logically, the only comment to make was that she was solely responsible, and was getting what she deserved. But, (sadly, predictably) undaunted by the facts, you charge in with your typical “it only happened because LE had created a conducive environment that caused her to make an FRA”
Let me quote your exact words:
” It is a serious perversion of American law enforcement that has fostered and enabled a now "Culture of false rape accusations" to get this rooted into America.”
It sure seems like, no matter what the facts are, you are only ever going to try to find a way to put it ALL back on law enforcement – even in cases where they do nothing wrong.
No where do you say anything about what the woman actually did. Not one lone word regarding Priscilla Ramirez and her lies which lead to a man being murdered.
No, you just try to put it all on LE (and the men therein). Total white-knighting on behalf of the woman who caused the entire mess. “Oh, she’s really not to blame… it was those evil men of law enforcement who encouraged and enabled her to do it. If it wasn’t for them, she’d have never done it”. No way around the obvious attempt to excuse her - so yeah, absolutely white-knighting.
That is really the essence of what you are saying. And, right in-line with the feminist proscribed “man bad: woman good” mentality, which would also seek to excuse women of their bad behaviors by finding a way to blame men in some way. Feminists are intractable in their view that men must always be to blame for what women do. And, likewise, you are equally intractable in your view that law enforcement must always be to blame for what women do.
The bottom line here is that perversion of American law enforcement has fostered and enabled a now "Culture of false rape accusations".
S - ”The bottom line here is that perversion of American law enforcement has fostered and enabled a now "Culture of false rape accusations".”
Pure BS. That’s not the bottom line anywhere.
The bottom line is that woman, as they always have, chose to make FRA’s irrespective of any considerations vis-à-vis law enforcement, but rather based on their own perceived benefit in doing so.
There is no justification to trying to excuse them by trying to shift all the blame on to the men of law enforcement. There is a base cowardice in not being able to face up to the fact that women can, and do, make false allegations purely for their own designs, and completely without regard to law enforcement.
The bottom line her, regarding the story above (as with most every story featured on this site), is that another women has chosen to make a false claim of having been raped, fully aware of the potential outcome of doing so, but caring only about what she could gain by doing so anyway.
Think of this as both a dare and a therapeutic exercise in getting over your white-knighting affliction: Go ahead and say something, anything, about Priscilla Ramirez’s culpability in her boyfriends murder due to her false allegation to her cousin that he had raped her – without trying to tie her decision and her actions to some nebulous idea that law enforcement is really behind it all. Just come right out and admit that she, and she alone, caused the murder by her own choice, born of her own freewill to falsely accuse him of rape.
Go on – I dare you!
Think of it as the first step in your recovery.
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