A rape "may have happened" at a Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity house in Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. The Sigma Phi Epsilon National Fraternity says it has a "zero tolerance policy" for sexual assault. So, while local authorities are investigating the claim, what do you think the national fraternity has done? ". . . the national fraternity has instructed the local chapter to cease all operations, pending the results of the investigation."
If it is proven that a rape actually occurred, it is assumed that the national fraternity will shut down the local chapter permanently.
But why wait for that? An accusation has been made, so just shut it down now, and if it's shown nothing happened, then reopen it. You know, until proven innocent, and all that.
Astounding, isn't it? People and organizations don't understand that there's a Grand Canyon between a "zero tolerance policy" on rape, and a "zero tolerance policy" on a rape accusation. Too often when they say they have the former, they really mean they have the latter.
Source: http://www.ksby.com/news/national-fraternity-tells-local-chapter-of-sigma-phi-epsilon-to-cease-operations-during-rape-investigation/
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One thing is for sure, enabling the now "culture of false rape accusations", is going to further divide the gender-raunch community that foments the rape lynchings of the innocent; and the sports communities they attack.
Remember folks, the girls lacrosse team stood up for the falsely accused boys, against the gender-raunch feminist community that wanted their blood and balls chopped off.
Me thinks if the girls lacrosse team ever decide "gender-Raunch" has gone too far, me thinks gender-raunch will get slapped down hard.
Regardless of the context, "zero tolerance" is nothing more than a euphemism for "zero common sense".
i hope that local fraternity house sues their national hq if they have grounds for it.
atlas
"zero tolerance" is now a synonym for "miscarriage of justice"
Let's see, national hdq's response was probably something like this:
"... we take this matter very seriously, and this does not reflect the character and ideals of our fraternity, and we are conducting a thorough investigation ..." So what's new?
Atlas, your 10:55 is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen.
DAWN
Atlas' comment was entirely appropriate. Your comment makes no sense.
For example, what on earth does this mean: "this does not reflect the character and ideals of our fraternity"?
What is "this"?
You mean "this" accusation?
"This" unproven assertion?
Of course RAPE does not reflect a fraternity's values. Rape and a rape accusation are two different things, but the feminist metanarrative says they are one and the same.
The problem is that we are stranded in an age where noisy banshees who don't represent women but pretend they do, and who don't represent rape victims but wish they did, want the punishment to start with the accusation. Young men, especially young black and Hispanic men, are routinely arrested before any investigation, with bail set high to insure they won't get out, solely on the basis of the woman's say so.
Women's groups have conniptions when there's any hint of anonymity for presumptively innocent men -- they want the public humiliation to start when the woman points her finger.
There's a nasty strand of get-evenism in feminism: make a male -- any male will do -- pay for the putative sins of the patriarchy. The goal, you see, is to punish on the say so of the accuser.
That's wrong. That's contrary to every notion of justice and morality that our civilization has long adhere to.
Dawn,
Who cares what a misandry witch like you believes?
“the national fraternity has instructed the local chapter to cease all operations, pending the results of the investigation."
Based on the mere accusations of an alleged rape, Dawn supports an entire fraternity chapter house ceasing operations. Dawn’s comments identify her attitude as one supporting totalitarian government where a person is ‘guilty until proven innocent’ along with the secret kangaroo courts that are now spreading out on campuses.
Dawn, where do imagine you are commenting? MRAs are not ignorant and uninformed of the biased misandry laws, gender politics, and that most rape allegations are false. Go back to your feminist coven of witches.
Atlas
Dawn - ”Atlas, your 10:55 is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen.”
Really!?!?
It seemed like a rather measured response. Let’s review:
”i hope that local fraternity house sues their national hq if they have grounds for it.”
The statement seems to very purposefully hinge around the part about ”if they have grounds”, which is very logical and very intelligent – not rash nor hot head, and absolutely NOT an ignorant statement at all.
Perhaps what you really meant to say was that his post was one of the most difficult to refute that you’d seen?
Pierce & slwerner,
Thank you for your replies to Dawn. I believe there is a Dawn that posts confrontational comments at Spearhead and AVfM.
Prierce wrote:
'any male will do -- pay for the putative sins of the patriarchy'.
-- it is ironic that in some patriarchal cultures women were well protected and men held accountable to provide, protect, and care for his wife and children. American modern matriarchy cannot claim the same accountability.
slwerner wrote:
'Perhaps what you really meant to say was that his post was one of the most difficult to refute that you’d seen?'
-- thanks, that brought a smile to me.
Sorry gentlemen that I haven't been around as much lately as last week I broke and dislocated a shoulder. I'm typing with one hand.
Atlas
What gets me is that even if this accusation were proven true, how is a group responsible for the independent actions of one of its members?
It reminds me how the coach was fired, and the rest of the season was canceled, after the Duke accusation. Even if three members of the team were responsible for a horrible crime, how was that their coach's fault? He had nothing to do with any of it.
If a member of a local Rotary Club, Knights of Columbus, etc. is found guilty of a violent crime, do they shut down the entire chapter?
Would Sigma Phi Epsilon have instructed the local chapter to cease all operations if any other sort of crime "may have happened"?
It is not uncommon for an entire fraternity's activities to be ceased entirely for the actions of one or of a few. This is the sort of response not just associated with rape but with drug use, alcohol abuse, hazing, etc. What it boils down to is the failings in fraternity recruitment and in brotherhood ideals when one or a few brothers are allowed to carry out horrible actions.
The main questions that should be investigated are this: If there was a rape, did it occur IN the fraternity house or a house associated with the fraternity? This could include a satellite house. The standards for what make a fraternity or satellite house are pretty low. If a reasonable person can peg a residence as a fraternity house then it pretty much is one.
IF there was a rape and it occurred in a fraternity house or a house associated with a fraternity, then yes I feel the fraternity itself should be punished. I don't know much about their fraternity, but in my fraternity's creed you will find the lines "I believe that to all I meet, wherever I go, I represent... the spirit of all fraternities; thus I must ever conduct myself so as to bring respect and honor not to myself alone but also to my Fraternity."
This means that the one crime and one occurrence brought shame upon the entire house and chapter and if it is proven true (note I am working on ifs.) then yes, the national chapter should revoke the chapter's charter. This should result in criminal charges and expulsion with a hold on records for the perpetrator but no other actions against the other fraternity brothers unless there was direct involvement in the matter (criminal negligence, etc.).
IF the rape is proven true and it did not occur on any property associated with the chapter then the individual is the one who should get in trouble and not the chapter.
IF the rape is proven false then the national fraternity as well as the school administration should do everything in their power to publicly clean the name of the fraternity. It can be tough for a fraternity to survive bad PR like this but for the sake of damage control, insurance, etc. fraternities are pretty much obligated to cease all activity while under investigation. It is probably in national bylaws, etc. Ceasing activity does not mean the chapter is defunct. It just means that they can't do much until the matter is cleared up. If they were allowed to continue normal chapter operations is it likely issues could grow worse.
I am sorry, but while under normal circumstances I wholeheartedly agree with this blog's opinions, under these circumstances I must disagree and throw in my own two cents based on personal observations and experiences.
I haven't heard a single thing in your comment, Observer, that makes me think shutting down during an investigation is fair or just.
there are several comments that are missing as i write this that were here a couple days ago. i wrote the comments below a couple days back in response to another commentator. the
"quoted" comments are from another person.
"Ceasing activity does not mean the chapter is defunct."
"It just means that they can't do much until the matter is cleared up. If they were allowed to continue normal chapter operations is it likely issues could grow worse."
Since when does the loonie-left give a damn what others think about them? Why care what the misandry side thinks? Decent people must stop halting their lives and not be afraid to speak up.
Perhaps an entire university should be closed down pending the finding of innocence of a rape allegation on campus or by a student? What about when an allegation is made that a rape occurred on a military base, a construction site, or elsewhere?
Caving in to the fear of the reaction of feminists, progressives, social conservatives, etc will only make our struggle harder.
Atlas
Blogger was being updated for many hours and we not only lost comments but some of our posts. It was a nation-wide thing.
Interesting that this is the only thread you lost. Would you like me to repost my comment with respect to fraternity bylaws?
Interesting that this is the only thread you lost. Would you like me to repost my comment with respect to fraternity bylaws?
No, your comments are contrary to our mission and you are banned. The moderators of this blog will glad read them for a laugh and to affirm that we are pissing off angyry feminnists if you want to try to post them, but they won't be posted here.
Do you have an update on the Sig Ep "alleged" frat rape at Cal Poly?
Dawn
Wait... I never made that last comment quoted to me. I understood that this was a national outage across the site. I would never accuse you of purposefully misleading or deleting a specific thread because I do have great respect for you guys and your mission. If memory serves me properly I also generally put the article 'a' in front of the name, but I could be mistaken.
My previous comments were designed to try and clarify that the fraternities ceasing activity while under investigation isn't localized to rape investigations but all pending criminal investigations. This same standard is used for sororities as well.
To tag onto the previous comment I just sent to you for approval, if you would like to respond privately you may e-mail me at stephen.crane.umd@gmail.com if you wish. I thank you for your time.
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