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Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Why I am hopeful about the Vladek Filler retrial

I am confident that Mr. Filler will be acquitted.

Why? You will recall what happened at the first trial:  the prosecution improperly prevented Filler from mounting the only defense available to him by keeping evidence of the custody battle out of the case.

That was bad enough. What happened next is the kind of cheap, dishonest lawyer trick one would expect from a disreputable ambulance chaser, not a guardian of justice who bears the title of prosecutor:  the prosecution exploited that improper victory by telling the jury the following: "I would ask you where the evidence is to back up his statement that he stated in both his opening and his closing that this is a marriage that was ending, this is a child custody, this was a first step in a child custody fight. Where is one piece of evidence about that? . . . . The suggestion that [Filler's wife] has made this all up just for the purpose of getting ahead in the child custody, where is the evidence of that? . . . . Custody dispute? Where is that?"

Of course the prosecutor knew "where the evidence" was to back up Mr. Vladek's defense that the claims against him were fabricated to gain the upper hand in a custody dispute: the prosecution kept it out of the trial, that's where it was. The prosecutor's suggestion to the jury that there was no child custody dispute is both heinous and unpardonable.

Did the jury have any choice but to convict, in light of the fact that Mr. Filler's lawyer promised the jury evidence of a child custody dispute and failed to deliver on it?

That won't happen at the retrial.

The Supreme Judicial Court of Maine has given the trial court its marching orders by writing an opinion that is now the law of the case. At the retrial, the trial court is not permitted to deviate from or to overrule the legal principles announced in that opinion.

The Supreme Judicial Court of Maine has made clear that "evidence of a complaining witness's motivation bears directly on the issue of credibility. . . .." Here, "evidence that Filler's wife had taken legal steps to gain custody of the children was relevant because it made a fact of consequence--whether she had a motive to fabricate her allegations of abuse--more probable than not. . . . . [E]vidence of the legal actions taken by Filler's wife would have supported Filler's theory that she had an ulterior motive in making the claims in the first instance. . . . . Filler's wife's credibility was central to the outcome of the case and Filler's defense necessarily rested on his impeachment of her. Thus, the probative value of her motivation for potentially fabricating the allegations of abuse was substantial. . . . .this relevant evidence would have required only a few minutes of trial time to be fully explored."

In light of the opinion of the Supreme Judicial Court of Maine, I don't see how evidence of the custody battle can be kept out of the retrial, and I don't see how that evidence won't cast at least a reasonable doubt in the minds of a reasonable jury.

The astounding thing is that the prosecutor didn't drop the case in light of what the appellate court ruled.

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is another case that brings to the publics attention that American gender-feminists are "Empowering" themselves through the perversion of Americas law enforcement, and perverting Americas courts.
Every law enforcement "protocol perversion" and "semantics game" that leads to the arrest of an innocent man or boy in the US, also manufactures a "perverted statistic" that gets funneled to gender-Raunch Empowerment community.

Anonymous said...

"The astounding thing is that the prosecutor didn't drop the case in light of what the appellate court ruled."

Not only will she indict a ham sandwich, but she'll try them all (and has from the looks of it).

ScareCrow said...

I have been "trying" to research Mary N. Kellett as much as possible.

It is hard.

Here is one source of info I found however:

http://www.cleaves.org/slip10md.htm

You can change the "10" to "09" or "08" or "11" for 2010, 2009, 2008, 2011 respectively.

It is a bunch of legal gobblety goop.

But, one thing I noticed when reviewing sexual assault cases:

The police did not actually "arrest" men - they simply would put them into a police car, and take them to an interrogation chamber. Then, ask them questions.

That is, they were never placed under arrest, or read their Miranda Rights.

This means that when these mean try to appeal charges based on not being read their Miranda Rights, it does not work - since they were technically not "under arrest" or "in a valid interrogation" to begin with.

That re occurring pattern seemed a little "seedy" to me.

Men are being "detained" for crimes and "interrogated" for crimes without actually being arrested.

That is an excellent way to bypass due process.

MaCarroll Beads said...

I am a Mom of a son who has just been falsely accused of rape. We have factual information showing that he was not even present. What happens in the courts remains to be seen, but I have been absorbed with this day in and day out. I do have to say that I also am a feminist and to me that means equal rights for both sexes. I believe in equal rights for women as much as I do for men. I also believe that in cases such as rape, there is certainly an imbalance of justice, misuse of power and a definite need for change. I believe that men are being treated unfairly. I do, however, get a little turned off with all of the feminist comments since blaming one group is not to blame for an entire system that is messed up. Perhaps, working together as citizens who want equality for all, we might get further when it comes to making change. I'm a woman who believes that women deserve equal rights and also a feminist who believes that men deserve equal rights as well. Depending on the issue, I think it would be easy to find an injustice being done to either sex. In the case of false rape, a need for change is a must and we should work together for that cause.

Misandry said...

Feminism is a power movement to demonize men, boys, and masculinity. It is not and never was a movement for equality.

Ms. Beads (I assume you've already divorced your poor husband), you are the type of woman who will only venture into the manosphere to help you and yours, and then quickly run away while further injustices are committed against men and boys in the name of equality. "ME ME ME" is not a very good way to go through life, but very typical of a feminist.

Take some responsibility for continuing to support a hate movement.

The feminist BS you taught your son also very likely contributed to his being vulnerable to a rape liar, as he most likely never learned how to act like a man.

Oh, that's rights - feminists only want rights, not responsibilities. http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/01/23/pig-latin/

I blame you.

Anonymous said...

macarrol beads, sorry to hear about yer son getting caught in the gender-feminist juggernaut.
I use the term "gender-feminist" to describe modern feminism which is not the "equality feminism" of 25 years ago.
The rhetoric and agenda of "gender-feminism" are substantively different from the "Equality feminism" of just 25 years ago.

Anonymous said...

macarrol, there are mens rights activists that will work with you, and meet you half way here. And sorry to hear about yer son.

slwerner said...

Misandry - ”Ms. Beads (I assume you've already divorced your poor husband), you are the type of woman who will only venture into the manosphere to help you and yours, and then quickly run away while further injustices are committed against men and boys in the name of equality. "ME ME ME" is not a very good way to go through life, but very typical of a feminist."

From her profile - ”I've been a special education teacher in a rural district for 26 years now! Yes....I know....that is a LONG time! When I'm not doing that I spend the rest of my days with my husband Bill, a very talented artist.”

It seems you misjudged her. I would imagine it was her coping to being a feminist that threw you. Many woman assume that they are feminists with little or no understanding the various “flavors” of feminism. Ms. Beads own description would seem to lable her as more the “equity-feminist” type as opposed to the “gender-feminist” types that we have to deal with most often here.

I would welcome her aboard, and while it’s a terrible way to have her eyes opened, I would acknowledge that she has had them pried open. Hopefully with open eyes also comes an open mind.

Falsely Accused Soldier said...

Off Topic:

Where is the recording of Mr.Berkeimer's radio show appearance?

Anonymous said...

Ms. Beads,

I too, am the mother of a falsely accused son.

If you still claim to be a feminist, and are defensive of feminism, then you are experiencing a very different brand of just us than my son did.

Her history of making false accusations was rape shielded. To bring it up was "retraumatizing the VICTIM" - even though victimhood had yet to be proven.

There was plenty of evidence to prove my son innocent - but, unfortunately, it was inadmissible thanks to rape shield and confidentiality laws. Every last bit of it.

The "victim" could say anything inprobable and contradictory thing, and it was- again - "retraumitizing or blaming the victim" to call her on it.

If your son gets convicted, or railroaded into a plea, I can assure you - feminism will NOT be your friend. You son will face the flames of hell with feminists laughing and cheering his prison rape.

God help him.

Freedom said...

@Ms. Beads: Please do not be turned away by Misandry's comments. I have met a few men and women who have identified as feminists that acknowledge FRAs are a big problem and that the effects of mainstream radical feminism are deleterious. There was a great article on the loneliness of the civil libertarian feminist in the atlantic recently: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/sexual-harassment-and-the-loneliness-of-the-civil-libertarian-feminist/236887/

MaCarroll Beads said...

I don't believe it is me who is about hate. Truly you do not know me and I question why someone would quickly throw daggers at a person and/or people that they do not even know. I am 50 years old.... not part of any movement that was meant to be a hate movement. (not part of a movement at all - just what it stood for - equality) I don't understand why you would hate me. My son is 26, falsely accused by a story that was clearly made up by a 12 year old niece (by marriage). (Obviously, encouraged by her father (my sons brother-in-law) and mother). Every person who was responsible for his arrest and his 6 days that he had to wait until we could bail him out were male. He was given 100K bail because when he was younger he had numerous traffic violations and went before that same judge.... who is male. The DA is female and has held off the indictment for further review. Although she wouldn't decrease the bail, she agreed to let the judge (a different male Judge Bill Walsh since it was moved to the city court) and she barely said 2 sentences before HE slammed down the gavel and said, "Bail stands!" I never once blamed the system or any of them involved in this arrest on their gender. You have a right to feel like you want, but it's too bad for all the anger. As for the other comments by others, thanks for at least listening. By the way, Misandry, my name is MaryAnn Carroll not Ms. Beads (but call me what you choose). I'm a special education teacher and guess what I go by Ms. Carroll, but feel no need to correct them, when they use Mrs. I makes beads for a hobby....one that came to a halt after his arrest. And, it's true, I'm divorced, but happily remarried.... not quite sure what that has to do with anything...but for what it is worth, seemed like you needed to say that so, I'll give you the facts. Furthermore, you are now blaming my son for his own accusation??? Wow! I thought this blog might be one worth being a part of because of the cause....perhaps I'm wrong... With these types of discussions, clearly there is little hope for change. Oh,... and one more thing, I'm hopeful that there will be justice in my son's case because he has an electronic trail that proves he wasn't there. We spend 4 weeks around the clock preparing as if he were going to trial. We are told (by our male attorney) that the DA is fair....just looking for justice....not to win an election.

I'm not reaching out for any help for my son.... I truly was trying to find people who felt that this injustice that is being done mainly to men, needs to stop and looking for a productive way to go about change.

MaCarroll Beads said...

Fortunately, I am not totally turned away yet because there does seem to be people who actually want to make change. I will read up more on what this new radical movement is..... I have read about the rape shield law, but do not know how they connect to radical feminism. I find any group who makes change by force one not worthy to listen to. My persoanl opinion is that most of the problem is the media... That is what I have seen in the past 2 months..... I'm new to all of this and don't believe anyone gets anywhere by just blaming. The problem (from what I know in my very short time) seems much bigger than I would have ever even imagined. I still hold behind my belief that if we just start attacking certain groups then the results will be about as effective as a dog chasing it's tail. There must be other ways to go about change. Again, my experience is brief, but I can assure you that I am against the Sex Registry, the belief that the accused is guilty until proven innocent, etc.

I probably should have not been as open as I am because I'm finding out quickly that it might not be too safe. In all honesty, I represent an average person with an average life who would not have known anything about this injustice if it didn't happen to our family. So, with that said, I'm not sure that the problem is getting out there so that the "average Ms.'s of the world get it."

E. Steven Berkimer said...

@FAS,

I'm still waiting for the copy of it. I'll post it up as soon as I get it.

Thanks for remembering.

Anonymous said...

I would encourage concerned mothers of sons falsely accused of rape to read further here, and attempt to understand what can be done.

Anonymous said...

Ms. Carroll,

It's rather simple to see honestly. If you'd have written all that you had in your opening post, sans the "i'm a feminist", the flavor of responses would have been significantly different.

If you want empathy, compassion, and understanding from FRA's and MRA's, don't claim to be a part (or in agreement with) any version of the hate movement that is feminism.

TMOTS

E. Steven Berkimer said...

TMOTS,

Great advice. That is the one thing, specifically with this site, that we get a lot of.

99% of the individuals calling themselves "feminists", who come her and post hate screed (there are some who are part of the MRM/MRA movement who do this as well), and send us very nasty emails, that we are rape apologists, women haters and such. So when you identify as a feminist, you aren't going to be met with open arms.

Pierce and I try to be fairly moderate in our responses (we don't always succeed), as we get a lot of email from individuals, just like MaCarroll Beads, who have had loved ones falsely accused.

As we ask, please feel free to critique the message, not the messenger. And try to keep it as civil as possible.

Thanks

MaCarroll Beads said...

Guess, I've come to the wrong place.... never meant to be on the "other" side. It's too bad that I can't use a word that creates rage in some and to me means equality. I'm pretty sure my point, obviously, was not heard because I used the F word that created reactions that I would never have expected. Hopefully, you will find some success with making change. MaryAnn

slwerner said...

MayAnn - "Guess, I've come to the wrong place...."

Only skimming through them, but, still, I see only one negative comment made towards you. I think you should consider that on balance, we here are going to be highly supportive of you and your son.

I do hope you'll consider sticking around.

Archivist said...

Ms. Carroll, I'm one of the blog owners here.

Our sympathies to your son, you and your family.

I don't care if you call yourself a feminist. But you should know that, as Steve pointed out, in the rape nilieu, people who identify themselves as feminists typically take the position that false rape claims are very rare and even a myth. No kidding. Talk to any "feminist" on campus who advocates about rape. In contrast, I know feminsts who are not centered on issues we deal with here (sexual assault etc.) and who don't adopt those views. But in our world, the self-described "feminists" are fairly radical.

I would prefer to scrap identifiers and talk specifics. Here are the specifics: we are totally allied with you regarding gender equality. We do not approve of stereotyping anyone based on his or her gender, race, creed, etc. I can't control people who comment here, and the fact that someone comments here doesn't mean I approve of the comment.

You are welcome here anytime, and you heard that from the founder of this blog.

Anonymous said...

"My persoanl opinion is that most of the problem is the media..."

My observation is that most of the problem is the feminist-progressive driven laws, politicians/government, and the mass media.

you wrote: 'I also am a feminist and to me that means equal rights for both sexes. I believe in equal rights for women as much as I do for men'.

To many people truly concerned with men's rights and equality those comments could be interpreted as naive at best. If you are going to post comments you do need to be aware that many regulars here have studied enough of the sexual political climate and history to see the big picture of how feminism has and is attacking innocent males on many fronts that go way beyond the single issue of false-rape.

You almost seem like you are playing the ganged up on poor innocent victim in your comments. Don't blame this site or comments posted in response if you are as yet unaware of how feminism is anti-male and with what MRAs deal with on a daily basis. Stick around and check out the Angry Harry site too.

If your son is innocent I wish him the best.

atlas

ScareCrow said...

@MaCarroll Beads

You have come to the right place.

However, feminism never stood for equality.

That is step 1.

The actions and direction of feminism have made that blatantly obvious to anybody paying attention to what has been happening in our society.

Accept that, and choose a different title for yourself.

Feminists no longer have any right to define what feminism means.

WE NOW DEFINE THAT.

Since clearly, their talk about "equality" was nonsense.

LA FIN

MaCarroll Beads said...

Thanks! I guess it's just the whole feminist thing that has gotten to me.... Please remember that there are many of us who are "old fashioned" feminists. I cannot change what radical feminists do or say. I felt a need to identify myself as such because I've seen it used over and over again on this blog. I don't walk around and let people know.... "Hey, I'm a feminist!" I'm just me... a regular person who has been faced with a not so regular issue.

I've read the statistics. I believe tht somewhere in the range of 40-60% are false claims. I also have spoken to our local domestic violence shelter (one I used to look to support from) and let them know that in their myth/facts page on their website where it says less than 10% of rapes are false is wrong.

As a teacher, I work with mostly women.... and have asked how they define feminism. They all answered pretty much like I did. Personally, I think it will take both males and females to work together to create change. I think the petition regarding Mary Kellet that I signed is something that will be effective. I listened to the recording of the wife and found it unbelievable that this man was charged with anything.

As I said, this is an issue that I would not have a clue about unless this happened. Since it has happened, I have opened the eyes of many .... friends, family, colleagues....

I'm all for educating the public and hope to do so sometime in the future with our school district. Whether or not I will get the permission to do so remains to be seen.

I'm guilty of previously thinking that those that I read about on the front page of the paper had been investigated and there was good reason for the arrest. I have been shocked (for lack of a better word) that a police report was filed on Feb 24th claiming the incidents to have happened on the 18th and twice on the 23rd with an affidavit being written on March 3rd. The arrest was on the 16th.... completely out of nowhere. There was absolutely no investigation... just an interview of the 12 year old (I'm assuming her parents were there) and then an arrest.

Fortunately, he was a fulltime student (he was kicked out because of this) and his wife was the one home since she is a teacher and it was during our February school break.

I've been reading this blog on and off since this has happened and decided to comment because as much as the bloggers here feel that the radical feminist movement is to blame, I feel just as strongly that nothing can be blamed on one group alone. I have been given a crash course on radical feminism and plan to look into it more when I have a chance. What about media influence? That is where I got any of my false information from.

I know there are other groups who are fighting for the same change and I am willing to do my part... not only for my son (his arrest has already happened), but for those in the future.

As a teacher, it is not uncommon to hear that a teacher was fired because a female student accused him of rape. It sometimes happens to female teachers as well. It's changed the way I think about being with my own students who I would typically trust. Teachers already get slammed enough, it wouldn't take much to make them guilty of a crime that they didn't commit.

My wish is for this not to be female against male. I can't change what is already going on in the world or what has already been done, but would like to be a part of change that can make a difference when it comes to certain issues of injustice. I would also like to feel safe that my comments, even if someone does not like them will not cause someone to personally attack me.... and to go as far as insulting my son, my beliefs and telling me I am to blame.

I'm splitting this comment since I guess I have written too much.....

MaCarroll Beads said...

After my comment, I expected that there might be some backlash, but not quite like I received. Thank-you to the people who did support me and to those who did, but with advice about how to approach this blog.

Friends think I'm crazy for not hiding my identity when it comes to something like this, but if we don't come together and stand up for what it right, I'm not sure what the point is.

Just for interest.... The girl left the home of my son, his wife and 2 daughters on the 23rd of Feb., filed a police report on the 24th of Feb., parents left their 10 year old son in the home with them until the 27th of Feb. and the father came over to order a Dell computer using my sons college discount on the 28th of Feb. He sat right with him, gave him cash so he (my son) could use his Dell account, ordered it and had it sent to the home of the alleged "victim" with my son's name on it. Pretty sure that wasn't part of the investigation before the arrest.

Archivist said...

Ms. Carroll, it is not "female versus male." It goes much deeper and involves gender roles established before recorded history. I agree with you about the media, too. I know this is lengthy, but it sums up everything I know about what is happening:

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/lamb-to-slaughter-hofstra-false-rape.html

Anonymous said...

"I would also like to feel safe that my comments, even if someone does not like them will not cause someone to personally attack me..."

unfortunately, the radical-feminists/gender-raunchers have polarized things to be 'the political is the personal'. it's a war for us. sometimes it goes gender unfortunately. many men are in prison, unable to see their kids, in hiding, dead from suicides, and suffering from false-domestic violence rules that are biased against men because of feminist influences on society. and there is so much more.

atlas

MaCarroll Beads said...

Thanks for sharing the link. I'm not surprised and was familiar with parts of the story. I think I am on the same page. Please remember, I am a mother of a 25 year old father of 2 who has been falsely accused of raping a 12 year old. I'm not here to gain sympathy... I can give myself enough of that.

The point that I want to make is that I "think" it would be best to educate people, who, like me did not have a clue about the problem. I am admitting ignorance to the issue. The only reason that I ever commented was to express my opinion about some of the comments that I have read and to be honest. I came across this blog while trying to find out more and learn more.

I agree that the media and maybe certain "leaders" ("radical" feminists as well as chivalrous men) have created the problem that lessens the punishment for those who make false accusations.

I am certainly opposed to minimizing the problem of false accusations. I was ignorant about that too. I only found that out by reading the bottom of her sworn affidavit.

...just trying to point out that most people will never experience what my family, your friends, selves and/or family has and therefore, will never fully understand due to the fact that, they too, are only given information that makes for a good story.

Many people who follow this blog have been educated a much longer time than I have and many people out there will never be unless the media starts looking at the other side of the story and reporting that.

E. Steven Berkimer said...

And that is why we are here. Our primary mission, is raising awareness. But when the MSM, courts, and the feminist Sexual Grievance Industry (SGI) are stacked against you, it's a serious uphill battle.

Take a look through the majority of the stories we run here, and you will see someone from a rape crisis center quoted in almost every one, about how rape is horrible, under-reported, and they don't want women to not come forward because of the false accusation. But at no point, do you ever see one of these people state that the false accusers should be punished, so that those who really have been raped can come forward and be believed.

These people subtly encourage false accusations, so they can continually harp on the "rape is so under-reported, that if you just give us more money, and make the rape shield laws tougher, and you give anonymity to the accusers (which the MSM do voluntarily in the U.S., by the way, unlike the U.K. which has a law making it illegal to name the accuser), and so on and so forth.

Those are the people who are directly responsible for the situation your family finds itself in.

And those people are the most vocal, among those who call themselves feminists. Just something to keep in mind, when you call yourself one, and get a reaction such as you did from Misandry.

So don't take it personally. Until some time has passed, and a history of comments is made that shows a pattern of level headedness and support for the falsely accused, you will get some flak. Even those who comment regularly get flak for some comments. It goes with the territory, sadly.


Welcome to the site, and hope you stick around.

MaCarroll Beads said...

Thanks.... I will stick around, but will do so a little more privately.... Seems like lots of anger and I understand that, but I'm not sure that will get anyone anywhere. I just finished listening to a video broadcast on sosen.org. (Citizens for Change, America). These are the types of discussions that need to be had..... People will be more likely to listen. I think that you offer many news updates, etc. that have opened my eyes, but when I see other topics involving sluts, whores, etc. I'm not quite sure how "we" are going to move forward with change.

My experience (my sons and his family more so) has made me aware of something that I was unaware of. It's not like us "ordinary" people are spending time researching this topic...

I think we are in agreement about the need for change and also feel that I can find a productive way to go about that. It doesn't involve slamming each other. I'm quite sure that the owners of this blog did not intend for people to criticize each other so harshly....

With all due respect to the blog owners, promoting other links where people are calling women sluts, whores, legs spread wide open, etc. (links on the side bar) will not be the same people who are listened to in places (political arena) where change needs to happen. If the men are feeling like this injustice has happened because of radical feminism, how is categorizing all women as pigs, etc. any different?

I'm in 100% agreement that men are being treated unfairly when it comes to sex offenses and I am aware that some comments may be harsh, but name calling goes way beyond that and solves nothing. I came across this blog and took interest in a way to educate myself about the need for change and looked for some ways that I might be able to figure out how to go about that in my state.

In terms of what I choose to refer to myself as and how I define that term will never, in my mind, excuse that kind of response. I will continue to consider myself a feminist who defines that as equal rights, not as being a man hater. If the Misandrys of the world take issue with that, then that is their choice.

You obviously have way more experience with this than I do, but when you have a woman who is wanting the same change and gets slammed because it's a woman who wants equal rights for all people of all races, it goes against the grain.

This is entirely media driven and getting involved with the media to oppose the sex offender laws and make a stand against it may be a fight and an uphill battle, but will certainly be worth trying. Just by me telling people (friends, family, co-workers) it has changed their thinking. We have been seeing a psychiatrist as a family to help us work through this and one of the first things she said to me today was, "I thought about your family as soon as I heard the alleged case of rape that was on the news this morning." She said, "I immediately thought, is this just a good news story, was this really investigated?"

Awareness will bring change.

Misandry said...

Feminism is not, and never was, about equality.

I think I know a little bit more about this than you.

Remember, you are the one who has been blind to feminist bullshit all these years. Not me.

False rape accusations are only a subset of the misandry feminism has wrought.

To call yourself a feminist is to support feminism, which is to support the demonization of men and boys in the form of promoting false rape accusations and myriad other injustices.

It is not my job to welcome you. It is your job to listen, if you truly want to help your son.

This is about truth, not feelings.

Misandry said...

And this isn't just about you, your son, and false rape claims. There are plenty of other injustices other people face. And you can largely thank feminism for that.

It seems you only want to focus on what effects you personally, however.

If that's not the case, then don't get offended, get wise, and listen up.

Misandry said...

To perpetuate feminism is to perpetuate a system that enables false rape accusations and all other manner of persecution of YOUR SON.

To defend it is inexcusable.

"Fortunately, I am not totally turned away yet because there does seem to be people who actually want to make change."

This isn't about you. It's about your son.

If anyone's fortunate, it's you, that we are here, while you've been doing nothing for men and boys for the past 50 years.

Misandry said...

I was not wrong about Ms. Beads. She DID divorce her first husband, as I knew well. She IS the type of person who will use us to help her son, and then forget about us - which is obvious because she doesn't give two shits about anything that affects anyone else.

She is a selfish woman, a typical feminist, who only cares about injustices that affect her directly. She would gladly let every other men's rights issue slide, and if her son is exonerated, she will forget we ever existed.

Feel free to censor my posts, I don't really care, but I am right, and I needed to vent.

Anonymous said...

Forget you Ms.Beads.

You claim it was all MALES
that got your son arrested,
you hold the accuser HERSELF
harmless while making your case for 'feminism."

You are either the typical female supremacist who is blinded by her own hubris,
or you are trolling the heck out of this blog.

Either way I have sympathy for your son, I wish his mom could think past her own genitalia.

It is YOUR kind of thinking that got your boy in jail to begin with!

Freedom said...

Ms. Beads, I agree with you that many of the sites in the MRA blogosphere post things that probably do some damage to our fight for change. I also am annoyed with the commenters who have quite strongly attacked you.

Archivist did a post a while back about how he was upset on how some of the websites in the MRA blogosphere purport themselves. I myself have noticed that only the most sensationalist false rape cases get publicized in this sector of the blogosphere, and although I do not consider FRS to be an MRA website, I do believe there is a lot of crossover in visitors and anti-feminism.

I have issues with many posts on In Mala Fide (they also have a lot of great posts). I think it would be wise for A Voice For Men to tone it down on using the word Slut even though it's simply in reference to the Slut Walk protests (it makes it hard for people to read the post at work, University, or in public). I think Human Stupidity has gotten a lot of things right but also sometimes gets a few things wrong.

The one thing I will grant to the websites in this part of the blogosphere is that there is a high level of criticism. In Mala Fide, for example, usually has a lot of back and forth between its own writers who take wildly different stances on certain topics.

If I were in the owners of this website's shoes, I'd find it tough to make a decision on whether to make an olive branch in linking to more controversial websites. If something on FRS were to get picked up on Roissy/Chateau (you'll be appalled by what you read there), one of the most visited websites on the net, then it would do a great deal to raise awareness. On the other hand, it in some ways associates this website with things it'd be best not to be associated with.

Anonymous said...

As someone who relentlessly criticizes feminists, I have no problem with Ms. Beads coming here and saying that she is against false rape accusations, yet supports equal rights for women... provided that she really does mean EQUAL.

My main problem with feminists is that they're hypocritical: they talk about equality but what they really means is, "GIMME GIMME GIMME!"

But if a new species of feminist emerges that truly does support a reasonable person's definition of equality, so much the better! I welcome all of the help I can get in combating FRAs.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the other websites that use saucy language in reference to the "slutmarchers," I think that the links should remain up on this site, but it would be fine if some sort of proviso were posted: "This blog doesn't necessarily agree with the opinions expressed at these links..." etc. I think that would be more than adequate.

Anonymous said...

ms. beads,

Supporting the women's movement is one thing. However, feminism is always about female supremacy and the hatred of males to various degrees.

This is not an MRA site though there is overlap. This site and most MRA sites are far more tolerant of diverse posts and comments. Feminist sites are nazi-like and intolerant of critical discussion.

If you don't like or accept some of the other sites linked to from FRS then don't go there again. They have their role to play just as FRS does. Those sites often play a vital role in emotionally waking women and men up. There is a time and place for diplomacy as there is for being direct and expressing emotions. Just ask the feminists who have been anything but decent and polite with men the past forty years.

The only good thing feminism has done for men is to unintentionally wake us up to recognizing us men do not have to identify or practice being chivalrous providers and protectors. Women, government, and society need us more than we need you.

It gets boring and tiring reading suggestions from feminists how this site and MRA sites need to and should 'change' their tone, subjects covered, LINKS and other SITES provided, and just be more accepting to what feminists want.

Perhaps if you go to those crude linked sites you might learn something.

Atlas