It is widely believed that it was the women in Barack Obama's administration (Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, among others) who pushed for military action in Libya. Now, in an attempt to persuade nations growing increasingly skeptical about NATO-led attacks on Libya, especially India, Russia and China, there is evidence that US ambassador Susan Rice has made a massive false rape claim.
Rice announced in a closed door meeting at the United Nations Security Council last week that Gaddafi's forces were issuing Viagra, the drug used to treat erectile dysfunction, to soldiers "so that they go out and rape" civilians in areas that support the rebels.
According to this news report, Rice's allegation was false. "There is no evidence that Libyan military forces are being given Viagra and engaging in systematic rape against women in rebel areas, US military and intelligence officials told NBC News on Friday." The story notes that "several diplomats said Rice provided no evidence for the Viagra allegation, which they said was made in an attempt to persuade doubters the conflict in Libya was not just a standard civil war but a much nastier fight . . . ."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42824884/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/
We do not know if Ms. Rice had faulty intelligence or if she concocted the claim from whole cloth. She needs to promptly explain.
In any case, you need not oppose the NATO-led military effort in Libya to agree that Ms. Rice's false rape claim is despicable. It would be difficult to imagine a false rape claim about a matter more serious because it was uttered to buttress support for a policy that exposes men in combat and innocent civilians to the most serious risk possible.
The fact that this false rape claim has been made by a leading official of the most powerful nation on earth should be a grave concern to the entire world community.
If we, as a society, insist that cries of "rape" be taken seriously, we must be prepared to condemn the abuse of the power to cry "rape" when there is no evidence to support it. That is all the more true when the claim is made by a leading government official that rape is being used as a weapon of war.
If the United States is prone to make false rape claims on such a massive scale, it has no moral standing to condemn other nations from telling lies that American men in combat have committed war atrocities against women and children.
Yet, we have seen no condemnations nor expressions of outrage by women's groups regarding Ms. Rice's abuse of the power to cry rape. Their silence on this issue is unfortunate because it suggests they might just believe that the power to falsely cry rape is a legitimate weapon whose use is justified by the ends sought to be achieved.
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"If we, as a society, insist that cries of "rape" be taken seriously, we must be prepared to condemn the abuse of the power to cry "rape" when there is no evidence to support it."
One of the greatest lines ever.
My observations are that whether mass rapes or the mass oppression of women is actually going on somewhere in this world, the actions or responses by women's groups are exclusively motivated by what is politically opportunistic for themselves. Sometimes they make lots of noise and other times they are silent.
Feminist policies are frequently pushed through that do not help and often makes life far worse for the majority of women and children. It doesn't matter to the radfems who arrogantly and intensively don't have a problem sacrificing the masses.
Atlas
This false rape claim is not just intended to justify the passing of more draconian anti-male laws that will lead to damged reputations and/or imprisonment for crimes not committed, it is made to convince the American public and to justify to them that sending their sons and husbands to a foreign country to kill and maime its population and to risk being maimed or killed themselves is perfectly acceptable.
TDOM
This false rape claim is not just intended to justify the passing of more draconian anti-male laws that will lead to damged reputations and/or imprisonment for crimes not committed, it is made to convince the American public and to justify to them that sending their sons and husbands to a foreign country to kill and maime its population and to risk being maimed or killed themselves is perfectly acceptable.
TDOM
Although I despise Libya's government -- which has committed vile human rights abuses -- when I heard the report about soldiers being issued viagra I was immediately skeptical.
And for good reason, apparently.
It is important to remember that men cause all the wars, and if women were in positions of power there would be less conflict and more peace in the world.
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2011/04/30/community-celebrates-life-lynching-victim-james-t-scott/
China, Russia, ect,ect, need to understand America is now dominated by the "Rape paradigm", or "rape construction".
Nick S. wrote: "It is important to remember that men cause all the wars, and if women were in positions of power there would be less conflict and more peace in the world".
No idea if you are being serious or sarcastic. It is important to know that women always support the big nanny-police states more than men. Proof of this is that the women's vote brought in Hitler & Mussolini. Those fascists governments also had more blind support of the women. Women were more supportive than men of the Soviets and Red China. Men, who get drafted to do the fighting and most of the dying are less enthusiastic than women about being exploited by governments.
BTW, men do not cause all the wars.
In America, there has never been a political force as aggressive, intolerant, and autocratic as feminism. Feminism, is helping usher in an era ending civil liberties and/or the protections for the individual person. Modern Feminism is obviously fascist.
Atlas
When perversion of American law enforcement, hide the true amount of false rape claims from the public...Duh, guess what??? folks then think that women and girls never, ever, ever lie about rape.
From this "first perversion" as a foundation, all sorts of perversion can get "constructed" on top of that.
A related story, some girl on my facebook posted about the alleged rapes in Libya and said “It makes you re-think our involvement over there.” I in turn wrote a status about how 1 alleged rape or 10K alleged rapes do not justify a multi-international military intervention. I ended by saying “airstrikes don’t prevent or stop rapes.” She, after seeing this, sent me an angry private message about how I don’t care about women’s rights cause of what I wrote and that, that fact “says a lot about me.” She also said the Libyan rape victim (the one who alleges assault by 15 men) is dead now (which is false). True story.
These medieval puritanical witches will do anything to vilify the male penis, or more specifically, the sexually aroused state of the male penis (i.e. male sexuality).
This is just sickness that has gone on way too long in our culture.
The sickness really took root, when the perversion consumed American law enforcement.
From this "first perversion" of American law enforcement, perverts can build any other construction on top of this solid foundation of perversion.
Cry rape.
It's how we get things done in America.
”From this "first perversion" of American law enforcement”
This is just idiotic. The first perversion related to the issue of FRA’s is the perversion of the natural male tendency to wish to women. Despite your undisguised hatred for police, they are NOT behind the use of FRA’s by women. In fact, a great many FRA do not involve police at all.
Yet you insist in your pathetic attempts to link every single instance of an FRA to some alleged perversion of LE. I though it entirely laughable in the previous thread where police never believed the woman making the FRA, and had completely broken it down within 3 hours, yet you still tri3ed to make the issue not that a women had abused the nature of the crime of rape and the attendant (male) response to that crime, but rather your imagined idea that police are behind fostering all of these FRA – even those, such as the ones brought to college disciplinary boards, that completely by-pass police altogether.
Now you invented a new silly slogan to pester us with – this idea of “first perversion”, in furtherance of your belief that all FRA’s are due to police perversions.
No, No, No! The real first perversion is of the natural desire to defend women, and woman taking advantage of that tendency for their own selfish ends by making use a false cry of rape. FRA’s and wild claims of the use of rape, epidemic of rapes, a rape culture all happen entirely independent of what police do.
Police may botch any given rape claim case, yet, the primary reason we are learning of the actual prevalence of FRA’s is due to the police uncovering and reporting instances of false accusations.
There is still a good deal of reform needed in LE, but as a whole, they are the best source of truthful and useful data we have to use in combating FRA apologists. Even the seminal work of Dr. Eugene Kanin was based on police work in uncovering and reporting FRA’s (a truth that you continue to be too cowardly to address). And, even Kanin recognized that the relationship between LE and the SGI was an adversarial one, NOT a happy alliance.
The attempt use of a rape-scare tactic to further US involvement in Libya has nothing to do with how well nor how poorly police elucidate the prevalence of FRA’s. It is an appeal to a more basal level of (male) revulsion at the crime of rape. Even if every man living in the US was fully aware that 20-40% of all rape claims made were false, it would still not dissuade those men from a sense of revulsion at the prospect of evil leaders using rape as a weapon of war.
And that, and that alone, is what is behind this twisted use of (what now seems to have been complete disproven as a lie) the claim that Viagra was being distributed in an effort to encourage rape. It was nothing more than the age-old appeal to the nature of good men to abandon rationale in a effort to protect women.
”We do not know if Ms. Rice had faulty intelligence or if she concocted the claim from whole cloth.”
I would suspect much more the latter.
It has been an effect part of the gender-feminist and SGI “play book” for some time to make emotional appeals based on the fear and loathing of rape as a means to promote draconian and misguided policies and legislation.
Man have always been keen to protect women, especially those close to them, form sexual predation by other men. The threat of severe violence and death has served as a great deterrent to rape (for those few men who would have been so motivated).
Yet, (sadly, but completely logically) this is what has given rise to the use of false claims of rape by women (as a get out of anything card). Women intuitively understand the male response to claims of rape, especially where the victim is a friend or family member. They understand that men are so greatly affected that they tend to detach from rational though, and revert to an animalist rage and blood-lust. This has been key to the use of FRA’s presumably throughout history.
We have no idea of how often, nor how frequently down through all of human history woman have utilized a timely FRA to distract their husbands from the reality that they willing chose to engage in illicit sexual activities with other men. But, even in recent years, we have seen woman caught in filgrante delicto cry rape, causing their cuckolded husbands or boyfriends to attack and even kill their wife’s lover. This is the true nature of the male response to the crime of rape (real or not).
And, this is exactly what has been targeted by the SGI to achieve ever-increasing laws, directives, and policies – no to mention the influence gained over some aspects of police operations (white knights being ideal targets of such emotional “protect the women” appeals; as well as being over-represented on most police forces).
And, here again, in this entirely disingenuous (IMHO) claim that Viagra is being distributed to loyal troops so as to encourage rape as a tool of warfare, we are once again witnessing an appeal aimed straight at the hearts (not brains) of men so as to manipulate them into support for further hostile actions.
I personally despise Gadhafi, but I easily recognize and reject the obvious naked attempt to utilize the fear and loathing of rape as a toll of manipulation.
The American gender-Raunch community is taking on water, but they still seem to have some "constructionists in high places".
Was it simply federal pork dollars that fueled the American gender-Raunch Empowerment community??, or something more perverted and sinister??
I think that many of the baby boomer era "constructionists" in the Unites states press corp, are getting Alzheimer disease.
Some of the shit they are ???leaking?? to the press is just F@@king silly these days. Only the most simpleton of simpletons digest the shit their "constructing" as unquestionable fact.
Why is the obvious troll Anon @ 7:47 and 11:39 still allowed to post here? Wasn't some comment moderation put into place?
slwerner: your analysis is always awesome and it pains me to see you constantly take the troll bait and have your efforts mis-directed. You're gettin' trolled hard, buddy.
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This story is indeed outrageous. Has anyone questioned Susan Rice about spreading this ridiculous, pro-war propaganda? She also falsely claimed that Iran is helping Syria suppress dissent.
Once again we see that our leaders will spout the most despicable lies conceivable to drum up support for far-away wars that boost their careers and stock portfolios -- and for which they will never sacrifice in the least.
Nashvegas - ”…it pains me to see you constantly take the troll bait and have your efforts mis-directed. You're gettin' trolled hard, buddy.”
I know you’re right. And, I do try to ignore it. But, at times, I just lose patience with his repeated effort to miscast the whole of the FRA issue as one of police (policy) doing/creation.
I fully acknowledge that LE has been a big part of the problem – but they are not, and have never been the genesis of the problem. He just hates the police so much that it seems every single story featured here has him inserting his redundant “perversion of American law enforcement” belief – even when the story in question doesn’t have any thing to do with LE, demonstrates LE acting properly and uncovering an FRA, and/or is not even an American story to begin with.
I afraid I let it get to me too much. But, then again, I do worry that his inanities make the rest of us (by association) look like a bunch of yahoos who’d buy unquestioningly into that crap, thus harming the overall credibility of this important site.
I won’t mind so much if he clearly stated that his theories where just that - his theories. But, he take a tone of some superior knowledge, as if God himself as given him keen insight – even though he demonstrably doesn’t understand much of what he’s talking about, and making unsubstantiated claims about. He consistently acts as though he speaks for everyone else here, and, by inference, that everyone here agrees with him and his theories.
I often proffer my own pet theories related to the issues, but I do take care to identify them as my theories so as to keep myself, and not the FRS, the target of any angst or anger over those theories. If I make inflammatory, insulting, or down-right stupid statements, it should reflect only on me – not on the FRS nor it’s invaluable work.
"I just lose patience with his repeated effort to miscast the whole of the FRA issue as one of police (policy) doing/creation."
Right. And Steve and I have stated our feelings very clearly on this issue, too. slw's insights are keenly appreciated on this site, and I, too, would rather have him commenting on important matters. I understand why he feels a need to respond and not these assertions hang out there.
Someone raised the moderation solution: I don't think people realize how much effort is entailed in managing this site. I've asked for help, and few step forward. Should I ask again? What's the solution? Anybody?
Nash-vegas, maybe yer just misinterpreting what im saying...What Im really trying to say here is..
American law enforcement have perverted their protocol, and engaged in semantics games of what the meaning of is,is, in order to "manufacture misinformation". These manufactured statistics gets funneled to gender-raunch perverts in Academia, who "Empower" themselves from these "manufactured statistics".
Steve, and pierce, I appreciate you not censoring me. I will try and temper my comments.
May god help us all, but one group "Empowering themselves" by stepping on the heads of the innocent, is a trigger for me.
S - ”Nash-vegas, maybe yer just misinterpreting what im saying”
When you start using terms like “first perversion” (akin to “original sin”), it’s quite clear what your intent is – to imply that the entire issue of FRA’s can be traced back to the police having instigated them.
Much of which stems from your deep misunderstanding that:
American law enforcement have perverted their protocol".
More accurately, police have had their protocols perverted for them via legislation and policies issued from above. Much of the deleterious changes in the way LE has responded to rape claims has been mandated to them. This is not to dismiss instance of over-the-top white-knighting, laziness, nor even out-and-out police misconduct (all of which certainly occur), but issues such as “must arrest” policies are not something that individual police departments unilaterally adopted. They were forced on them by legislatures and even federal mandates. This has carried over into the way they approach rape allegations. The SGI has long claimed that police do not take rape claims seriously enough (yes, it wasn’t that long ago that articles were featured here in which they were still doing just that), so many who hold positions of authority within police agencies have responded in ways to appear more “rape victim friendly”. Yet it still falls to individual officers and detectives to choose to do their jobs properly (or not).
More and more it seems reflected in the stories featured here that they are “self correcting” in that regard. [of course, this hasn’t satiated straight-up hatred for police]
Going further into your flawed understanding of what is happening, we again see your standard mischaracterization of the crime data that is collected:
”… and engaged in semantics games of what the meaning of is,is, in order to "manufacture misinformation These manufactured statistics gets funneled to gender-raunch perverts in Academia, who "Empower" themselves from these "manufactured statistics".”
No. Quite simply police record and report the number of claims made to them of crimes. It is not something unique to rape/sexual assault/DV, but is the same as for other crime classifications. All police do is report a raw number. They have no direct interest in trying to inflate those numbers, as it is usually reflects badly on their communities as well as their own “prevention” efforts (and, despite your incessant lying about it, there is not virtual “bounty system” by which they get Federal money based on those numbers). They have no control over how the data will be used or abused.
The only “empowerment” to be had is by those outside of LE, who can more easily get monies diverted their way. But, even if you will never be able to understand it, those who benefit most are not part of LE.
In regards to other issues, those of questionable character will often use the bad behaviors of a relative few within a class of people to try to “smear” all members of that class. We see it with gender-feminists using a very small number of men who rape to portray all men as (potential) rapists. We see a similar attempt to portray (for instance) all blacks as criminal, or all whites as racists, etc. This approach is very accurately termed the “low-road”.
I’ll leave it to you to try to explain how trying to “smear” the whole of American law enforcement based on the bad actions of some is any different (balls in your court).
One of the solutions is to NOT censor posts, no matter what.
Archivist, don't be an idiot. LIFT the ban on the opposition. Let them speak.
7:03: don't be a vagina: I censor when you violate our comments policy.
I don't hate all law enforcement, I dislike the ignorant eunuchs in uniform that foster and enable womens violence, and womens violence by proxy.
Dr. Kanin tells us statistically that most false rape accusations are made because the women was late for work, or late for class, ect,ect, But some false rape accusations are an act of "violence by proxy" cause the little pig/women wants to see blood. And if American Law enforcement has reached such a degree of perversion that they foster violent little pigs (not unlike "crystal meth head magnum", then men need to call the perverted uenechs in uniform onto the carpet for a WTF are you doing.
Anonymous - ”I don't hate all law enforcement, I dislike the ignorant eunuchs in uniform that foster and enable womens violence, and womens violence by proxy.
Dr. Kanin tells us statistically that most false rape accusations are made because the women was late for work, or late for class, ect,ect,”
Not just No, but Hell No! Kanin never wrote such nonsense. Perhaps if you’d have ever bothered to read his research you’d know that he lists revenge, alibi, and attention as the top motivations.
Also escaping you seems to be the reality that women are even more likely to use non-police males when they are looking to commit violence by proxy.
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/04/six-are-sentenced-in-vicious-home.html
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/04/false-rape-claim-prompts-killing-of-two.html
For you, there always seems to be some way to try to link any and all FRA’s back to the police “fostering” it – even when the police aren’t even involved. It’s like you’re too narrow minded to realize that women choose freely to make FRA’s as it suits them, and have done so since long before these “protocol perversions” your pet theory relies entirely upon.
You all but excuse the women who actually make the false claims. As I recall, you stated on more than one occasion that you don’t even blame your own accuser, blaming only the police instead. I’ve never understood that (il)logic, and of course, you never come close to a rational sounding explanation.
It seems beyond you to understand that women have been making FRA’s as it suited their purposes since the beginning of time. They never needed police to “foster” their doing so. In fact, there were often no police to report to, and woman still often by-pass police with false claims today. Women have been making FRA’s that have devastated and ended innocent men’s lives since well before the “protocol perversions” that your pet theory relies entirely upon.
Anon @7:03,
The FRS is perhaps the lone Voice for the many men that have been falsely-accused. This site is very tolerant of opposing views. By comparison, feminist sites with their rape-hysteria mind-set are authoritarian and intolerant of other views; they are very Nazi-like.
Don't be rude with the Archivist who is providing an invaluable site for American and Western Societies. You're not entitled to be here on your terms. If you have a disagreement with the Archivist, fine, just express yourself as an adult who is a guest at this site.
Atlas
Much respect to slw and Archivist and Steve.
There should be a compilation of Slwerner's takedowns of this utter nonsense put all together in one place that could just be linked to everytime the "pervert", "rauch", "LE", "constructionist", "ridiculous" "overuse" of "quotation" "marks" pops up!
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Hey, "Vagina" at 7:01/7:03: Comment moderation on a private blogger site is completely, entirely, wholly different than censorship. Welcome to the fucking internet!
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