Newsweek shines a light on how the cops in NYPD's Special Victims Division decide whether a rape claim is true or false. The story centers on the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case (the cops think he's guilty), but the more interesting comments concern rape and false rape claims in general. Please bear in mind that too many false rape reports that we chronicle here, in this blog, involve cops who initially thought a woman was telling the truth, only to find out she lied.
My comments are interspersed:
Excerpts from "To Catch a Creep" found here
Does a woman who claims to have been raped ask for a female detective? That’s taken as a sign of possible deception. “I am betting nine out of 10 times, when a woman asks for a female detective the story is going to be untrue,” says [Lt. Adam Lamboy, commander of the Manhattan Special Victims Squad, the unit handling the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case]. The operative theory is that women who are lying think female cops will be more receptive to their stories.
[Some police departments have women cops especially assigned to deal with rape "victims" -- the idea being that women can only feel comfortable talking to another woman. The NYPD suggests that's the wrong approach.]
. . . .
Inevitably, some detectives sympathize with the accusers. “People with power take advantage,” says a detective in Brooklyn who is not part of the Strauss-Kahn investigation but finally couldn’t resist making a point about it. “The defense is always that those people are a target because they have money. Well, I am glad that a victim who has no power, an underdog in society, is being believed.”
[At least the cops are up-front with their biases. People with power are assumed guilty. This includes college lacrosse players barely older than boys who happen to be completely innocent.]
. . . .
In sex-crime cases, victims often tell only part of the story. Or they make it up altogether. If they’re drunk or drugged, they often don’t remember enough to make a case . . . .
[Um, if they are "making it up," how are they "victims"? That aside, when I write things like this, I am accused of being a rape apologizing misogynist. When Newsweek prints a cop saying it, the whole country takes it seriously. As well they should, because it is correct.]
. . . .
The last thing any detective wants, says Lt. Robert Johnson of Brooklyn Special Victims, “is to paint someone with that rapist brush and find out they are not, because the paint never comes off.”
[Again, I make this point all the time only to be pooh-poohed by the people who dominate the public discourse about rape.]
. . . .
One afternoon last week, a Mexican immigrant arrested for sexually molesting his 7-year-old stepdaughter sat in “the box,” as the detectives call their interview rooms. He was at the same round table with two mismatched office chairs where Strauss-Kahn spent his first night in custody, and one detective asked another if he should be moved to the holding cell on the other side of the office. “Leave my perp alone,” said Liz Gutierrez, the only woman detective left on the squad.
[Liz Gutierrez's atrociously insensitive comment will not be the subject of any national outcry calling for her job, but it should be. The man is not a "perp," Ms. Gutierrez. He's a presumptively innocent human being. And you should be fired for your comment.]
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A crucial part of the picture is “the outcry,” short for the witness who is the first person the victim tells about a rape or assault. Did the outcry hear the same story the victim is telling the cops? In a recent high-profile case, Special Victims detectives grew suspicious of Heidi Jones, a local TV meteorologist who claimed she’d been raped in Central Park, when the outcry’s story didn’t match up with hers. Jones now faces charges of filing a false police report. In the Manhattan Special Victims Squad last week they were interviewing the outcry for a 14-year-old girl who’d been gang-raped by seven men and boys the day before. Unlike Strauss-Kahn’s, her case didn’t make any news.
For the maid at the Sofitel, the outcry was a hotel employee, according to law-enforcement sources not in Special Victims. The maid told the same story to everybody. Sandomir says that when he interviews a victim he tells her, “Let’s play a game: you are a camcorder.” He’s looking for a minute-by-minute, even second-by-second, account of the location, the sex acts, and not only the attacker’s appearance, but his smell—of alcohol, of dirt, of cologne, of anything that can be used as a clue. Along with the details come contradictions, and over repeated interviews the anomalies multiply if the subject is lying. “When people come in to make allegations,” says Steven Lane, the other lead detective on the Strauss-Kahn case, “they don’t realize we are going to go frame by frame.”
[All very interesting. But they make it sound too scientific. Law enforcement in general needs to do a better job with rape cases; cops are too often too quick to arrest and to destroy before the investigation is completed.]
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Article says..
Does a woman who claims to have been raped ask for a female detective? That’s taken as a sign of possible deception. “I am betting nine out of 10 times, when a woman asks for a female detective the story is going to be untrue,” says [Lt. Adam Lamboy, commander of the Manhattan Special Victims Squad, the unit handling the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case]
Scott from boston says.... Now this is real substantive information. Thank god for "The false rape society", as we seem to be the greatest think tank on studying the differences between a true or false rape accusation. The characteristics of a true or false accusation, IN A NOW CULTURE OF FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS....IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION.
Article says
"Along with the details come contradictions, and over repeated interviews the anomalies multiply if the subject is lying. “When people come in to make allegations,” says Steven Lane, the other lead detective on the Strauss-Kahn case, “they don’t realize we are going to go frame by frame.”"
Scott from boston says.. they may start realizing this, if this is their 3rd or 4th time making a false rape accusation. (just something to think about).
wow sir, this is one of the most substantive and informative pieces i have read here in a few weeks. God bless you sir, as we may have to figure this shit out ourselves.
Ex-cop's wife says 'lying' rape accuser should be locked up
Submitted by anthony on Sun, 2011-05-29 16:10.
Article here. Excerpt:
'They should lock her up and throw away the key.
The bitter wife of an NYPD cop who beat a rape rap sneered yesterday that her husband's accuser is a money-grubbing liar who should be jailed herself.
"She can go to hell," ranted Julia Moreno, wife of veteran cop Kenneth Moreno, 43, who was acquitted last week along with partner Franklin Mata, 29, after a sensational two-month trial.
"She should go to jail for this," the wife barked in a bitter attack sure to outrage the accuser's legions of supporters. "She had two days to make up this story with her lawyer friends before she went to the hospital.".
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cop_wife_rape_tirade_f7pJ3kXNGLYrZb5XC6o39J
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16677
Canada: No consent in unconscious sex case, Supreme Court rules (even when consent is given beforehand)
Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 2011-05-28 00:58.
Article here. Excerpt:
'People cannot consent in advance to sexual activity that takes place while they are unconscious, the Supreme Court ruled Friday.
The closely watched case involved an Ottawa man and his live-in partner of nine years who engaged in erotic asphyxiation.
In a split 6-3 decision issued Friday, the court restored the man’s conviction for sexual assault for performing a sex act on his girlfriend while she was unconscious.
“Parliament’s definition of consent does not extend to advance consent to sexual acts committed while the complainant is unconscious,” Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin wrote for the majority..
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/no-consent-in-unconscious-sex-case-supreme-court-rules/article2037117/
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16673
Two New York City Police Officers Acquitted of Rape
Submitted by Matt on Thu, 2011-05-26 21:50.
Article here. Excerpt:
'Two New York City police officers on Thursday were found not guilty of raping a drunken woman who had been helped into her apartment by the officers while on patrol.
The verdict brings to an end a criminal case that drew outrage across the city when the officers were indicted in 2009, and provides some measure of vindication for the officers, Kenneth Moreno and Franklin Mata.
The officers were convicted of three counts of official misconduct for entering the woman’s apartment, but the jury found them not guilty of all other charges, including burglary and falsifying business records.
The police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, said on Thursday that the officers would be fired immediately — up till now, they have been suspended with pay.
“The guilty verdicts involved violations of the officers’ oaths of office and as a result warrant immediate termination,” Mr. Kelly said. “Both officers will be terminated today.”'.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/nyregion/two-new-york-city-police-officers-acquitted-of-rape.html?_r=1
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16661
One thing is obvious: false rape claims must be very, very common if "nine times out of ten" the "victim" is lying when she asks for a female detective.
So now if a women is drunk and has sex, This is rape?? It seems we are slowly returning to the age where women should not be allowed to drink alchohol , as they are not like men and boys are, they are simply "legally incapable of being responsible for their actions" while drinking, like men and boys are.
Are women now a legal liability to any men they are around while drinking??
All these protocol perversions and semantics games, are being employed to prosecute more, and more innocent men and boys for rapes that simply never happened.
Are women now a legal liability to any men they are around while drinking??
Short answer: yes.
"Gender-raunch" keep perverting the law over and over to prosecute more and more innocent men and boys. They keep "perverting the law" and are not telling college boys what is going on. By not telling college boys that the law now says "having sex with women when they are drinking, is rape", then can persecute more innocent boys.
"Gender-Raunch" get "Empowered" by attacking innocent men and boys.
Interesting. The piece by Newsweek was better than I would have expected since that publication has gone so far to the left in its PC. BTW, I don't think the whole country buys into whatever Newsweek says as many find it nowadays a joke. I believe Newsweek is also experiencing extreme financial difficulties and may not be around in the future.
Atlas
OT, just been sent this my the excellent Robert Whiston
http://falseallegations.wordpress.com/
Anonymous re: Canada and consent
If you dig into that, you'll see this part of the decision, which is key:
"[65]...In some situations, the concept of consent Parliament has adopted may seem unrealistic. However, it is inappropriate for this Court to carve out exceptions when they undermine Parliament’s choice. In the absence of a constitutional challenge, the appropriate body to alter the law on consent in relation to sexual assault is Parliament, should it deem this necessary."
Basically, the guy really needs to appeal again using a constitutional challenge. I'm completely ignorant of what the Canadian Constitution entails, but I assume there's something in there that would invalidate this ridiculous law.
But the decision itself was sound, imo.
All very interesting. But they make it sound too scientific. Law enforcement in general needs to do a better job with rape cases; cops are too often too quick to arrest and to destroy before the investigation is completed.
Interestingly this reminds me of the pedo witch hunts of the late 70's/early 80's.
The cops and investigators had what they claimed to be ironclad proof of wrongdoing, only to later realize they screwed the pooch. (evidentially speaking)
It makes one wonder how many men and women in the world would offer little resistance to the sexual assault of DSK if they would receive a few million in compensation. An educated guess would be 75% but if they were allowed to spit it out my guess would be all.
"A former chairman of one of Egypt's major banks was arrested Monday on charges of sexually abusing a maid at a Manhattan hotel, just weeks after the arrest of former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn on similar allegations, police said."
---- He is 74 years old. Them older bankers sure have a high sex drive...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43220634/ns/us_news/
Atlas
And it never occurs to morons in the media that it's probably a copycat report. Incredible, huh?
Yeah, my first reaction is that those 74 year-old bankers sure are frisky. (Not.)
There may soon be international travel warnings for men (especially well heeled men) traveling to the United States.
America is now in the midst of a "Culture of false rape accusations" that is being federally funded. History will show that When American law enforcement "took the money", to pervert their protocol, end engage in semantics games and other perversion to foster the false rape culture...THEY CROSSED THE LINE IN THE SAND WITH THE US CONSTITUTION.
Law enforcement can now use the constitution to wipe their pork fed asses, because those who would report to the people (the journalists) are also up to their elbows in "organized perversion".
The organized perversion, misinformation Alliance between us law enforcement and US pervert media, may have to fall, and we may have to rebuild it from the very bottom up.
Maybe create an Alliance of just local media outlets through the internet, that would be comparable to the now perverted "Associated press".
conviction of bearing false witness in a case involving a sexual crime must be punishable by death. It would end the living hell the falsely accused have to go through. There are those that say the death penalty is cruel, but it will serve to end the epidemic of sexual accusations sweeping the nation.
Centuries of female pent up emotions are now exploding, and it is payback time. Rape-hate persecutions are tearing into the bankbooks and testicles of innocent men; order has to be restored. A temporary refusal by the police to accept complaints of sexual assault will cool off the anger of feminist nazi`s that have gone mad. Men must be protected against the new witch hunt.
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