Monday, May 16, 2011

The chickens come home to roost: when a feminist's son is falsely accused of rape

The principal contribution feminism has made to the public discourse about rape is to convince people that women don't lie about it.  This mindset has caused the crime to be taken more seriously, but it has also caused an unacceptable number of innocent men and boys to be arrested on the basis of unsubstantiated rape claims that turn out to be lies.

This "women don't lie" mindset underlies the recent Department of Education's April 4 directive mandating that college disciplinary proceedings for sexual assault cases apply a preponderance of the evidence, as opposed to a higher standard. Such standard requires that the panel find that there is only a slightly greater chance than not that your son raped his accused in order to expel him and permanently mar his future in significant, often catastrophic, ways.  As one writer explained, that level of uncertainty is generally unacceptable to most people in making any important decision: "Would you decline further medical testing if a doctor told you that your tumor was 51% likely to be benign? Would you drive over a bridge that a structural engineer said was 51% likely not to collapse under your car? "  Yet somehow, your government says that level of uncertainty is just fine and dandy for your son. All that matters is that more rapists are snagged, so if some innocent young men get snagged with them, that's a price your government is willing to pay.

This "women don't lie" mindset manifests itself in other ways, too. Several months ago, mainstream feminist guru Jessica Valenti endorsed turning sex into a presumed crime any time a woman cries rape by putting the burden of proof to show consent on the accused male.  If you think this was some off-hand musing of a feminist looking to snag a headline, you would be wrong.  It is an idea being seriously touted by Criminal law professor and feminist Michele Alexandre and separately by Prof. Susan Caringella.  Under this standard, if a jury in a rape trial doesn't know who to believe -- which is common in "he said/she said" rape cases -- the male goes to prison for rape because he can't meet the burden of proving consent. 

That, my friends, is a jurisprudence bordering on pathology.

Sadly, most progressives sympathetic to women's causes -- even, I dare say, most self-proclaimed feminists who pay lip service to the feminist sexual assault mantras but whose devotion to women's causes doesn't center on sexual assault -- aren't even aware that such proposals are being touted, much less that they have achieved widespread acceptance among the people who generally dominate the public discourse about rape. 

What will get their attention?

What gets their attention is when they, or a loved one, are falsely accused of rape. Then they quickly learn that the monster they set loose in the village can easily turn on its maker.

We saw this in the case of  Jesse Cheng, the college feminist activist who says he was falsely accused of rape.

Now comes a heart-wrenching piece by a feminist mother whose son has been falsely accused of rape.  Here is an excerpt:
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Despite no evidence, despite the fact that she is obviously a troubled woman, despite other attempts by her in the past to accuse people of hurting her in some way, despite her own admissions of wanting to sue others still, despite my son’s spotless record and the support of myriad women who have known him for years, the state has chosen to pursue this “case.”

If you think that women don’t lie to get back at men, how naive can you be? Yet we live in a culture of “women don’t lie,” a culture fostered by women’s groups since the 70s. A culture I helped create and support. A philosophy I believed.

Because why would women lie? The process of coming forward, going through the legal system was so horrific, so humiliating, why in the world would a woman put herself through it?

But that was then. Then, sexual abuse was hidden and women were maligned and humiliated if they dared come forward. And strong, brave women stood up for the rights of their children and themselves.

Now there are women’s groups with a strong political voice. There are women in political office, policewomen, and so on. Men and women now are predisposed to believe women when they accuse someone of rape. It is sometimes a knee jerk reaction that we have not evaluated for its veracity. We have not wanted to hear that women sometimes lie. The system has supported all women even those who lie. They’ve made it easy for them. If it is proven that a woman has lied, they are not prosecuted. They are at most sent to counseling. And being a “victim” can be intoxicating to some. It can let them off the hook for being responsible for their own actions.

But who is going to protect our sons? We who were on the front lines in the 70s when things were bad for women, we have raised good sons. Men we are proud of. Who will stand up for them?

I am now appalled to think that I was one of these women who thought that women don’t lie…and where there smoke there’s always a fire. Despite having raised a beautiful son, I was a sexist. Then I started doing research. There have been studies done since the 80s citing the percentage of rape allegations that are false. Some studies say as high as 60%. People who have been dealing with this for years have tried to tell us that women do lie. But we haven’t wanted to hear. . . . .

Read the entire piece here: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/05/women-lie--anonymous/

30 comments:

scatmaster said...

I feel compassion for the son. I could not give a flying you know what about the feminist biatch however. You knowingly created what happened to you son.

Anonymous said...

What happens to a society that has been conditioned to believe that the "matriarchal underclass" (where a clear majority of societal violence comes from) is actually "the patriarchy???"
How can gender feminist constructionists "construct" that all this societal violence is coming from "the patriarchy", when in the real world...its just the opposite, there are no men or fathers in these homes at all, and the only males in the schools are the ones frisking the kids for guns and knives.
This is a very "substantive term", and used in alot of different context, so for this term to be perverted, alot of further perversion rests on this one.

Anonymous said...

other than that Mrs Lincoln how was the play?....Personally I welcome her support for our just cause. There has to be more evidence than just the words of person.

Leenucks said...

This should happen to a lot more sons and husbands of feminists, so they can see, what they've created with their "all-men-are-evil-beasts"-attitude.

I definitely don't want it to happen, but it has to happen, because today most people only believe in what they see with their eyes and what's happening to those around them.

Scott said...

I dont have the words for this , i really, really dont as with any false allegations my heart goes out to the victim, the victim being the accused but to see a feminist reaching the point where things are dawning where she sees what we have been saying and to understand that she has been wrong ...... its heartening to see that this has happened and hopefully it lets the word spread.

Anonymous said...

hopefully, if the son is innocent, he doesn't go to prison. unfortunately, his reputation is now stained.

"hey mother, how do you know your so-called innocent beautiful boy isn't guilty?"
no mercy on the mother who contributed to innocent males being prosecuted, reputations destroyed, and going to prison.

"we have raised good sons" so did my father raise a good son and my father's values values are mostly opposite than yours ms. feminist mom. what is with so many feminist women who claim they raised a wonderful son respectful of women? most strong traditional fathers have raised their sons with their traditional values to respect women. many males raised by feminists are pathetic weaklings who let women control them or rebelled and joined street gangs.

btw, unlike my father, i got to grow-up and live under misandry femin-nazism. i finally broke free of my father's conditioning to be chivalrous. the one good thing feminism has done for men is to make us aware we don't have to be chivalrous providers and protectors of women to be men. i'll bet you feminists never expected that result among increasing numbers of men.

i do nothing to help out modern western women. i only help out the brotherhood.

MGTOW!

atlas

jso said...

at least it sounds like she's honestly understanding what a mistake she as made being a feminist, that is the correct response

I definitely want to see what happens next

Anonymous said...

"How do you write women so well?"

"I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."

AfOR said...

Hilarious story at
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/05/women-lie--anonymous/

One time feminist crying in her beer when HER son is falsely accused.

AfOR said...

Ah bugger, the link I submitted was for this actual story...

Anonymous said...

I honestly don't give a f*** about the mangina chinese feminist and his feminist mother.
Such people have been crucified men for so long. It is about time to have a taste of their poison.

Archivist said...

Anon at 3:16: I have always said, I wouldn't wish a false rape claim on my worst enemy. The mother's piece manifests evidence of growth. It is a shame this is what it took, but better late than never, and I say to her, welcome to the fight - let's hope you don't revert to your old ways the next time, when it doesn't happen to be your son, but someone else's son, who is falsely accused.

In any event, I understand your anger. We have a lot of falsely accused readers of this blog, and you have a right to be angry.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, this was an interesting article but this woman is still standing on her feminist pedestal.

Note all the pronouncements of "I taught my son to be good to women" and "who's going to protect our good (feminist-approved) sons?"

I don't think this lady has really learned anything, but she's still capable of more rationality than most of her gender.

Archivist said...

Anon at 3:31 -- all that good feminist upbringing crap does bother me, too.

I was brought up to treat everyone the way I wanted to be treated, regardless of race or gender. My stupid parents! They always claimed it was a Christian upbringing, but now I realize we were feminists and didn't know it!

Anonymous said...

'Note all the pronouncements of "I taught my son to be good to women" and "who's going to protect our good (feminist-approved) sons?"'

Ironically, among the very few seeking to protect those good-boy feminist approved sons are us anti-communist MRAs who believe in concepts such as innocent until proven guilty and in legal documents such as the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Her old enemies are the ones who care about protecting her son and her old allies want her son in prison. Sadly, few females care about the welfare of males unless it affects them personally in a way they don't want.

Atlas

Anonymous said...

Note how this feminist bitch failed to see how wrong she was while she adamantly supported anti-male positions on rape accusations when it was other people's son's being accused.

What did it take for this feminist cu nt to realize her egregious disregard for fairness and due process in all matters concerning innocent men?

A frivolous rape accusation leveled at her own son.

Just goes to prove how everything has to be about "meee meee meeeeeeee" for these pussy-centric feminists. My heart goes out for the man, but this feminist bitch can rot in her own self pity.

Anonymous said...

"But who is going to protect our sons? We who were on the front lines in the 70s when things were bad for women, we have raised good sons. Men we are proud of. Who will stand up for them?"

Well, it won't be you women, that's for sure. It's abundantly clear that you don't give a rat's ass about men or you would have considered the consequences on them BEFORE your "heroic campaigns".

What if a group of scientists found a chemical that extended the lives of men and then said "Well, it's great for men,let's start dumping it into the water supply." and it was later discovered that the chemical gave women birth defects or cancer?

How would you feel about them?

That's what you fucking feminists did. "Women never lie about rape. It's a wonderful slogan. It'll be GREAT for empowering women!" Turns out it gets innocent men sent to jail,but who cares? It's GREAT for women!

You didn't give a SHIT what happened to the men around you, all you cared about was your selfish woman-oriented BULLSHIT and how "great" it would be for all of YOU. When you went out on your little "take back the night" marches and shouted your little slogans, you were bending your future son over and ramming the long arm of the law up his ass years before he was ever even born.

When people tried to warn you about what you were doing you shouted them down with cries of "misogynist asshole" and "chauvinist pig". Well, look what your wishful thinking and idealism has wrought,Mom.

I'm sure you had the best intentions, but all those intentions were paving the way to the place we are now. Welcome to Hell,bitch. You,AND your son, will enjoy a very long stay here,I can assure you.

How do I know? Well, that's the way politics works,dear.

See, your kind busts their asses to make "changes" against great opposition form conservatives, then, YOUR KIND become the conservatives and it takes the next group who wants to make a change just as long to get it enacted and they must fight just as hard to do it.

Only, men don't have EVERYBODY ON THE FUCKING PLANET pulling for them, in fact, we have NOBODY pulling for us. So you fucked not only YOUR son, but HIS son, and HIS son with your actions. Congratulations, I hope you're proud of enabling false rape accusers because those are the only people who will tangibly benefit from your actions for a VERY long time.

jso said...

"We who were on the front lines in the 70s when things were bad for women"

really, the 70s were so bad for women? the decade when women were allowed to do anything, even perhaps raise a family without the societal pressure to get a career and neglect their kids and their husband in the name of "empowerment?" a woman could choose to have a career, or they could choose a normal life if they wanted, your work was already done by the 70s. instead you continued the campaign against men, and now it is the men close to you that are suffering from your own actions.

you threw your son under the bus and after he got flattened suddenly you want to undo what you spent so much time doing, because he's not some stranger's son or brother or dad.

I would really hope this would be a learning experience for feminazis like that, to come around and realize that what they were protesting and marching in favor of was actually bad. but considering that this is a woman, her ego will probably never allow her to admit to her mistakes.

Anonymous said...

has the mother who raised a good-boy feminist-made-in the usa-son yet renounced the anti-male family courts, bias against men in domestic violence cases and in obtaining support, what about in the workplace and schools?

while i want there to be justice in this case, if her son has ingrained feminist values and practices, i can't say i care very much beyond the biased misandry laws that harm many innocent men.

atlas

Anonymous said...

If heer son is aquitted, she will return to her old feminist ways, but with some brusing.

If her son is convicted, the depths of hell awaiting both her and her son are beyond description.

If her son is in the hands of a female Judge, Prosecutor or LE, shewill have her won smarmy smile mirrored back in her face assuring her "Mother Knows Best" - you are ind denial and we are going to punish your son ten fold for it.

I know. I'm a mother who has walked through the valley of the shadow of death.

Sister, let me tell you - there is no "other side". It's never "over".

There is no "poetic justice" here for me. I have agnoized a thousand times "Don't these women have men they love? Don't they know what is going to happen to them?"

Now that it's finally arrived - it still does no good. Our sons will die in the same hell together.

Anonymous said...

Im sorry this son has to pay for the sins of his mother.

Anonymous said...

"We who were on the front lines in the 70s when things were bad for women"

ay yes, the 70s. that time when happiness surveys reported women were far happier than they are today. each study and each following decade report women as less and less happy.

ironically, men are now happier than they used to be and happier than women. maybe men are realizing we don't have to be chivalrous providers and protectors as women still want now molded around around modern feminist demands. men can be free of being an exploited husband and father, and the second parent.

mgtow!

atlas

Masculist Man said...

hopefully, if the son is innocent, he doesn't go to prison. unfortunately, his reputation is now stained.

He and his mother are feminists. Fuck them both. I hope he goes to jail and gets raped. These are the enemies of MRA's and this is war. They are the enemy and whatever bad happens to the enemy is fine by me.

Masculist Man said...

I honestly don't give a f*** about the mangina chinese feminist and his feminist mother.
Such people have been crucified men for so long. It is about time to have a taste of their poison.


Here here,brother.

Masculist Man said...

Her old enemies are the ones who care about protecting her son and her old allies want her son in prison. Sadly, few females care about the welfare of males unless it affects them personally in a way they don't want.

Her son is on his own I won't help him.

Masculist Man said...

My heart goes out for the man, but this feminist bitch can rot in her own self pity.

Mine doesn't. He is a male feminist and he can fry for all I care.

Anonymous said...

I don't think this feminazi really cares about OTHER PEOPLE's male family members' false rape accusations, just HER OWN son's.
I feel sorry for her son, as she never wanted a boy in the first place and is still an unrepentant sexist sow.
I hope there is a special place in hell for this feminazi who destroyed the reputations and lives of so many men.
I hope she does know that most prisons in most states DON'T segregate HIV-positive and HIV-negative prisoners so thanks to her, several innocent men will die HIV-positive because with women, its all about them, including their "right to a good reputation." I would hope that men falsely accused of rape can bring a class-action lawsuit against NOW and bankrupt the organization.

Anonymous said...

"He and his mother are feminists."

Maybe. If HE is still a feminist now, then yes, fuck him,nothing will save him.

"I hope he goes to jail and gets raped."

I don't wish rape on anyone, for any reason. Besides,you'll probably get your wish,without adding the karmic burden of willing his destruction to your soul/conscience.No feminist is worth that.


No need to let it eat you up,brother. Stupid people have a way of taking themselves out of the equation.



Let's keep the torch burning in remembrance of our fallen brothers, the innocent bystanders and casualties of the hysterical "war on rape". No matter what happens, let us never forget the destruction wrought upon us by the women's lobby and the dangers of extending our hearts,our blood, and our minds to those who would use our stewardship and love as weapons against us, to manipulate us into destroying ourselves in the interests of "protecting" or "empowering" others.

I spit upon the names of Mary Daly,Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem, Germaine Greer, and all the other disgusting bigot feminists responsible for our current plight and pray there's still room enough in hell for all the others when they are all finally
dead.

Nashvegas said...

Good catch, Archivist. I enjoyed the read. Interesting that she admits that the "women don't lie" culture she helped create is no longer relevant today and even causes knee-jerk reactions and no accountability for false accusers.

I agree with others that it's sad that a false accusation against her son caused this realization. I'm encouraged, though, by how much this general discussion has been popping up all over various places of the interweb. The "women don't lie/all men are rapists" culture will die.

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Masculist Man @ 4:03
I hope he goes to jail and gets raped.

Funny, the only other times I've seen this phrase uttered around here, it was by hateful, ignorant radical feminist trolls. You've at least got the ignorant, hateful and troll parts going for you.

E. Steven Berkimer said...

Anon's and Masculist,


So basically, you support false accusations of rape. Are you sure you're on the right site?

Either you are against them, or you're not. The politics, or allegiance to feminism shouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

If you honestly think this is ok, then maybe this isn't the place for you to be. Your choice.