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Saturday, May 21, 2011

Boston Globe Writer: It's Fair Game to Humiliate Men Accused, But Not Convicted, of Rape 'Given the Imbalance in the Legal System, As Far As Rape Prosecutions Go'


Boston Globe columnist Joanna Weiss, whose feminist sensibilities are clear, candidly says what many have long suspected about the feminists who dominate the public discourse on rape: Weiss thinks it's fair game to shame and humiliate presumptively innocent men who are merely accused, and not convicted, of rape, even though she also candidly admits that men are falsely accused of rape.

But don't trust me, read it for yourself: http://www.statesman.com/opinion/weiss-as-far-as-rape-prosecutions-go-theres-1488456.html

Weiss thinks it was entirely appropriate to parade Dominique Strauss-Kahn in handcuffs past news photographers eager to splash his humiliation across the front pages of the world's newspapers for the public's titillation. This is so even though Strauss-Kahn is presumptively innocent, not a scrap of evidence has been admitted at a trial on charges against him, he has not had any opportunity whatsoever to defend against charges, and he might have been falsely accused.

To justify her belief that it's fair to subject men accused but not convicted of rape to shame and humiliation, even the falsely accused, Weiss posits the following other-worldly statement that is a mirror into the feminist soul: ". . . given the imbalance in the legal system, as far as rape prosecutions go, there seems no great shame — for deterrence's sake — in imposing a little shame."

Read that again. It is among the most astounding, frightening statements this blog has ever printed.  It is wholly appropriate, in the feminist mindset, to deter rape by punishing presumptively innocent men who've never been convicted of rape.

Countless men and boys have killed themselves after experiencing the indignity of a false rape claim. I am currently working on a lengthy piece to illustrate this tragic phenomenon. Weiss doesn't concern herself with that triviality, and, in fact, she advocates piling on the humiliation of the falsely accused.

The idea that rape is deterred by punishing the presumptively innocent is morally grotesque, unjust by any measure, and makes us long for the good old days of Star Chamber.  Deterrence is properly accomplished through prison sentences imposed only after a trial and a conviction. But why wait for the trial, much less the conviction, to start the penalty phase when it comes to rape claims?  An unproven accusation is all you need. You see, in the feminist mindset, not enough rapists are punished, so we can't wait for a conviction.  A woman's word is enough.  The innocent who get snagged with the guilty are unfortunate but necessary collateral damage, sacrificed on the altar of political correctness for the greater good.

In the rape milieu, the mindset of punishing the presumptively innocent manifests itself in all manner of harsh ways. It was, for example, prominently on display last year when women's groups in Britain blocked a very modest proposal to extend limited anonymity to men accused of, and not yet even charged with, rape.  Many objective observers suspected that the effort to block that proposal was due to nothing more than a desire to punish anyone even accused of rape.

Usually feminists aren't very open about this mindset. They understand how hateful it sounds. Weiss' piece is startling for its candor. It should also be a wake-up call to everyone concerned about the rights and the dignity of men and boys falsely accused of rape.

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

In a free society, no one would be punished prior to being proven guilty. Obviously there is a vast contradiction between feminism and freedom.

Anonymous said...

But given the imbalance in the legal system, as far as rape prosecutions go, there seems no great shame — for deterrence's sake — in imposing a little shame. Degrading? Brutal? Do these words really apply? Compared with what rape survivors endure, a short walk in front of flashing cameras seems a minor inconvenience.

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1/ If it were just a "minor inconvenience" then there would be no point to doing it, since perp walks tarnish the image of the American legal system, while admittedly serving no purpose.

2/ But since the perp walk causes the victim to be discriminated against for the rest of his life, obviously it is not a "minor inconvenience." In fact, being charged with rape is a much greater trauma than being raped.

As usual, the feminist tries to have it both ways. Such is the warped logic of authoritarianism.

Anonymous said...

Someone should accuse her of rape

Anonymous said...

As a woman, she doesn't have to worry about that. Which is why she supports unfair treatment of rape defendents.

Anonymous said...

Boston is in the north-Eastern states, where gender-Raunch feminists are the most dominant.

Anonymous said...

Gender-Raunch journalists, in alliance with her neighbor in Maine, "Mary Kellet" dominate the political sphere in the North-East.
But don't worry folks, there coming to a state near you soon.

Anonymous said...

It's clear that rape accusations are the new virtual assassination method of choice.

Anonymous said...

Definitely! Just ask Julian Assange.

Sedulous said...

Using Weiss's logic, there's no shame in shaming sluts in order to reduce sexual assaults either.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure which side of the fence I'm on here. It's a high profile case, and the media has its teeth out.

Let's just say he winds up guilty. Would you then agree that he should take the perp walk?

Anonymous said...

But remember, "women don't lie about rape", so once they name someone, why not skip the bother of a trial, facts, and evidence, and just hand down the sentence?

As well, how about a national magazine (Newsweek) putting mug shots on its cover of persons who later turn out to be falsely accused? (Duke lacrosse)

Newsweek later said "the facts were wrong, but the narrative was right"; IOW, it apologized, but it didn't.

That was the equivalent of a national perp walk (and a mistake a high school newspaper editor wouldn't have made).

Anonymous said...

What is your stance on this. Should he take the perp walk NOW or when he's convicted?

Anonymous said...

"...there seems no great shame — for deterrence's sake — in imposing a little shame. Degrading? Brutal? Do these words really apply? Compared with what rape survivors endure, a short walk in front of flashing cameras seems a minor inconvenience."

Why then is shame so important that it deters rape victims from reporting. The usual feminist double standard.

Anonymous said...

good piece and good follow-up comments.

". . . given the imbalance in the legal system, as far as rape prosecutions go, there seems no great shame — for deterrence's sake — in imposing a little shame."

the imbalance? what imbalance? not enough prosecutions and/or convictions? just today, Angry Harry has a piece out covering how false-rapes claims are closer to 90%. OK, yeah I know Great Britain vs. America are two different places yet maybe not too different when it comes to false rape allegations.

yes, there is imbalance with too many males committing suicides and serving prison time for false rape lies.

Atlas

Anonymous said...

feminists and especially the extreme male hating radical fems disgust me.

increasingly, i find myself having contempt, disgust, and indifference for the legions of males, who like good sheeple or slaves, continue being obedient to their rulers and the misandry laws, and don't rebel against the misandry in our society.

Atlas

Anonymous said...

Let's just say he winds up guilty. Would you then agree that he should take the perp walk?

If it makes you happy, dear.

Anonymous said...

Interestingly, only one person commented on this article.

Is it because everyone agrees with this woman's logic, is it because it's not worth a reply?

I read through 300 of the Wall Street Journal article remarks last night while waiting to be raptured up to heaven.

Only ONE person put forth the notion that he MAY be innocent, and stated some profound reasons why.

Only one.

The rest was ignorant jeering, leering and cheering on the gallows.

I don't know what to think, except the Kool Aid jug is completely empty.

Anonymous said...

@Atlas

How is this NOT terrifying to every male in the US is just mind-boggling.

I'm a Pakistani Muslim man...
who looks like an Arab.

If ever I were falsely accused
while visiting the US,
I'd rather it be for being a terrorist than a rapist.

Yep.


-CrackAddict

Nick S said...

I know that not all women are false accusers, golddiggers or paternity fraudsters. But at the same time, I think a little bit of shaming is effective as a deterrent. So I shall give random women a hard time about these things nonetheless.

Joanna, are you with me? Oh sorry, what was that? You don't like the taste of your own medicine.

Alas, what goes around comes around, and payback is a bitch.

Snark said...

There is really no reason why it should only be innocent men who are ritually humiliated as a deterrent to rape. After all, the most crucial fact about rapists is not their sex, it is that they are rapists.

So, it's perfectly legitimate to target innocent women for rape accusations and ritual humiliation too. Perhaps we could start with Joanna Weiss, who recommended this course of action. Activism begins at home.

There is a further benefit to accusing innocent women. Women are the leading child abusers, so false accusations of child abuse, leveled against women, will act as an effective deterrent against child abuse. Again, since Joanna Weiss is - apparently - so much in favor of this, she should be delighted to 'go first', to be a human sacrifice for The Cause.

The self-harm, the prison abuse, the genital mutilations, the ruined careers, the pariah status, the suicides awaiting Joanna Weiss and other no-longer-presumptively-innocent innocent women - this is all a small price to pay to deter child abuse.

And anyway, we all get to titillate at their discomfort, so it's worth doing even if it doesn't really work as a deterrent. In fact that might even be the real reason to do it. Right?

Anonymous said...

"Let's just say he winds up guilty. Would you then agree that he should take the perp walk? "

If he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,nail his ass to the wall using the appropriate legal punishments which have been declared humane. If he's convicted of rape, even you sadists who like to line up and crush a man's testicles at the mere accusation of rape don't have a reason to pile on anything more since:

A He's already being appropriately confined,punished, and robbed of his humanity by the state.

AND

B He'll probably be tortured,mutilated,raped and/or killed in prison by other inmates anyway.

So what purpose would a "perp walk" actually serve beyond kicking a man who's already dead, like a sadist or a coward?

Personally,I don't care what happens to anyone who is proved beyond a doubt to have raped someone, but if there is even a small chance that he is innocent and you do shit like this, that makes YOU the monster for torturing someone even when you KNOW they could be innocent.

Then,I don't care what happens to you because you have proved beyond a doubt you're just as bad as a rapist.

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Human-Stupidity.com said...

You did not not quite understand. Deterrence is needed for men to learn to respect women and not to do anything that could possible irritate a woman.

Like in obnoxious ways demand pay for a taxi ride. Or anything else that could possibly irritate a woman and prompt her to feel hatred and need for revenge.

To justify her belief that it's fair to subject men accused but not convicted of rape to shame and humiliation, even the falsely accused, Weiss posits the following other-worldly statement that is a mirror into the feminist soul: ". . . given the imbalance in the legal system, as far as rape prosecutions go, there seems no great shame — for deterrence's sake — in imposing a little shame."

Human-Stupidity.com said...

Don't murder suspects, department store thieves etc get paraded for the press, too?

Or is this specific to sex offenders?

Anonymous said...

CrackAddict wrote to me:

"How is this NOT terrifying to every male in the US is just mind-boggling."
--- Agreed in principle. 1. Most American men are ignorant of it and choose to live uninformed about current events and history, 2. they are politically lazy having previously had it good, in certain ways, for a long time, 3. if it hasn't yet personally affected them they prefer to focus on other things, 4. the educational system and mass media in the US tries to keep everyone in the dark though that is changing.

Bloggers and the Internet are making positive changes to informing people though feminist and their allies in government want the US to go more fascist and control the free media.

"I'm a Pakistani Muslim man... who looks like an Arab. If ever I were falsely accused while visiting the US, I'd rather it be for being a terrorist than a rapist."
--- That was a good one. It is an ironic question; who gets treated with more social and legal respect in America the accused rapist who is a US citizen or an alleged international terrorist?

Atlas

Anonymous said...

"Don't murder suspects, department store thieves etc get paraded for the press, too?"

High profile murder suspects do, I don't think thieves do. But then, being suspected of murder doesn't hurt your employment,dating,or friendship prospects or family relationships like being suspected of rape does.

Funny ol' world,innit gov?

Archivist said...

For the commentator who believes all men are brutal rapists, there's an old latin legal phrase I'd like to leave you with: go fuck yourself.

Anonymous said...

"Let's just say he winds up guilty. Would you then agree that he should take the perp walk?"

If perp-walks and other types of public shaming help reduce repeat crimes and deter other people, I'm open to using such methods on many categories of CONVICTED criminals only. Prior to that they are innocent until proven guilty.

Included in such public shaming should of course include mothers convicted of murdering their children, husbands, and others. Most young kids are murdered by mothers, and not fathers or strangers. Also women who rape (usually children) and all false-rape accusers. Then there are women who commit most of the one-way domestic partner violence and many other crimes.

You agree don't you that equality means we are all treated the same, right?

Atlas

Archivist said...

It might amaze some of the newer readers who've come here only to have a conniption and to accuse us of misogyny that we defend presumptively accused female school teachers with the same zeal we defend presumptively accused males. The fact that there are relatively few in comparison does not alter our advocacy.

Anonymous said...

I think it is great that this site equally defends female teachers accused of committing rape. While claiming to want equality for all, we all know by now that feminist sites are essentially anti-male and have a biased position when it comes to treating both sexes equally and with decency.

For those interested in further reading:

The big list: Female teachers with students
Most comprehensive account on Internet of women predators on campus
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39783

86% of the victims of female sexual predators aren’t believed
Finally, there is an alarmingly high rate of sexual abuse by females in the backgrounds of rapists, sex offenders and sexually aggressive men -59% (Petrovich and Templer, 1984), 66% (Groth, 1979) and 80% (Briere and Smiljanich, 1993).
http://www.misandryreview.com/mens-activism-news/2011/04/04/86-of-the-victims-of-female-sexual-predators-arent-believed/

Atlas

Anonymous said...

"Compared with what rape survivors endure, a short walk in front of flashing cameras seems a minor inconvenience."

Yet no one, and I do mean no one, besides liberal feminists, is defending what happens to rape victims. Everyone else agrees that it's wrong. Except Weiss and her klan who are arguing in favor of doing the exact same thing to men.

This is yet another example how liberal feminists are pro-rape. They don't believe in consent in principle. They believe, as this article makes perfectly clear, that it is acceptable to violate the integrity of an innocent person as long as it suits their political agenda. And nothing suits their political agenda more than rape.

Anonymous said...

"Gender-Raunch" feminists "Empower" themselves off "Rape hysteria", and theres a perversion in American law enforcement that is working feverishly to enable and foster this "gender-Raunch" Empowerment.

Anonymous said...

If America "Broke the misinformation Alliance" between gender-feminism and American law enforcement, neo gender-feminism would have no "manufactured statistics" to "Empower" themselves in college classrooms around the country.

Anonymous said...

Atlas - as one who has been put through "treatment" as an innocent person, "those in the know" will tell you the majority of sex abusers were themselves abused.

I'll repeat that for good measure: The majority of abusers/molesters were abused themselves.

...what never seems to get mentioned in all this "information" is the fact that women claim the majority of abuse.

Which stands to reason then...wouldn't women make up the majority of abusers?

It can't be BOTH ways can it?

It's said the majority of abusers are male, the majority of abused are female, and the majority of those abused go on to abuse themselves.

I dare say the majority of female abusers go unreported and the majority of complaints against female abusers go ignored.

Fale rape accusations ARE rape. It is clearly abuse.

Ms. Weiss - YOU are nothing but a smug sex offender and sick pervert to suggest this abuse toward any innocent person -male or female.

You are a monster.

Anonymous said...

"86% of the victims of female sexual predators aren’t believed"

Point well taken, but let's take it further:

What is the percent of female victims who are not believed?

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:44

Thanks for your reply. I have heard for years that most pedophiles were themselves abused as kids though I wasn’t aware until today that most adult male rapists have reported being sexually abused by females too.

You’ve brought up good points. Women do claim the majority of most abuse and it is known mothers abuse their kids sexually, physically, and emotionally more than fathers.

Perhaps false-rape allegations are an indirect way for a woman to rape a man. For a woman to do it physically and in reality is more difficult because of men’s greater physical strength.

False rape allegations are rape. Wow. That is like a light bulb going off. It all makes even more sense now.

Atlas

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"86% of the victims of female sexual predators aren’t believed"

Point well taken, but let's take it further:

What is the percent of female victims who are not believed?

POINT well taken, Lets take this a EVEN further, What is the percentage of women who now cry rape, That are telling the truth??

Anonymous said...

Point well taken, What is the percentage of women who claim to be rape, and were not, but society believed them anyway. Society believed the false rape accusation until overwhelming evidence proved that when they said they were raped, in fact no rape happened.

Anonymous said...

"What is the percent of female victims who are not believed?"

Re-state above: female alleged victims or accusers until proven a victim in a fair court hearing.

Earlier, I copied and pasted directly from another site and yes the claim you are re-phrasing assumes some victimhood. I did not write the original text.

Initially, almost 100% of women are given the benefit of the doubt even if there is doubt when making an allegation of rape to the police that they are telling the truth. Based on nothing more than allegation, good men are arrested in the middle of the night and treated like criminals.

Over time, at least 60% are proven outright false rape claims or lies --- going beyond a he-said she-said claim or the courts simply acquitting the male of charges based on lack of evidence. That number above might actually go to about 80+% in terms of false-rapes though they may lack evidence to prove the lies. Many innocent men still end up in prison.

BTW, while there are of course actual rape victims who have not been believed that is not what this site is about. This site is about false rape allegations.

Atlas

Anonymous said...

I totally support you, Johanna, so much so I am volunteering to make an accusation against an innocent male Weiss family member to help this cause. Your Dad still alive? Any brothers around?

It's not something I have a problem with...I've done it before. Not to worry, with that "imbalance in the legal system" I am rape shielded - no one will EVAH know.

I'm pretty good at it, I've had prior experience. It's not like the imbalance in the legal system is going to prosecute or anything. I have been certified Bipolar - heck, I can get away with murder, if you think about it.

No need to thank me. What are friends for?

Anonymous said...

All I know is that in the Bible character assasination is the equivalent to murder. And why do you think there were so many admonitions against bearing false witness and about gossip?