Republican Indiana state Rep. Eric Turner's bill to make abortions illegal after 20 weeks withstood a challenge last week by State Rep. Gail Riecken (D), who offered an amendment that would create an exemption for women who are victims of rape or incest. Turner rejected the proposed amendment, arguing that the exemption would be misused by women who want abortions, and the proposed amendment went down to defeat. Here's what Turner said in opposing it:
"I just want you to think about this, in my view, giant loophole that could be created where someone who could — now I want to be careful, I don’t want to disparage in any way someone who has gone through the experience of a rape or incest — but someone who is desirous of an abortion could simply say that they’ve been raped or there’s incest," he said.
State Rep. Linda Lawson (D) was outraged by Turner's suggestion. "Women don't make this up!" she reportedly said. "My Goodness! This is the state of Indiana!" Story here.
The progressive media had a conniption over the suggestion that women lie about rape. "It is by now beyond apparent that Republicans hate women," said a writer named Shaun Mullen, with the typical reserve and understatement of the left. "They believe women to be lying, deceitful and slutty drains on the economy because outside of a proper Christian marriage they have a proclivity for screwing and then demanding abortions on the federal or state dime. Oh, and they also don’t deserve decent health care."
Read carefully what Mr. Mullen says next about the Turner comment that women might lie about being raped: "These haters actually believe that a woman will falsely say that she was raped in a dark alley or knocked up by an uncle in order to get a free abortion. The perversity of this notion is . . . well, pornographic."
Mr. Mullen's righteous indignation would be comical if it weren't so wrong.
If Mr. Mullen thinks that lying about rape to get an abortion is so far out of the realm of possibility, he has no idea what he's talking about.
Women in the recent past have made false rape claims because the accuser’s boyfriend took too long to buy cigarettes; several women didn’t want to pay cab fares, so they accused innocent cab drivers of rape; a girl wanted to get back at her teen ex-boyfriend — her rape lie not only got him convicted, but two of his friends as well; a woman wanted to get back at her ex-boyfriend for breaking it off, so she falsely accused him of rape and candidly admitted: “I just wanted him to be hurt because of what he’d done”; a young woman wanted her young ex-boyfriend “to feel extreme pain”; a woman sent a man to prison for five years because she was bored; a woman was bent on revenge after a road rage incident; a man refused to give another false accuser a beer; a maid falsely accused her employer of rape because she didn’t like her workload; a girl falsely accused a man of rape for throwing a flower at her; a woman caused three men to be interrogated for rapes they didn’t commit because she wanted a day off from work; and an 18-year-year-old boy was hauled out of class, arrested, and jailed for a month on a random false rape claim by a girl he had never even met.
Spend a couple of weeks scrolling through the stories we've covered on this site and you'll see every one of them and a hell of a lot more. The fact is, women lie about rape for any or no reason at all. Sorry that this irrefutable fact doesn't fit your narrative, Mr. Mullen. I'm sure you'll find some other "fact" you can cite to get all indignant about.
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Liberal writers really do think they know everything, don't they?
"State Rep. Linda Lawson (D) was outraged by Turner's suggestion. "Women don't make this up!" she reportedly said."
Perhaps the email of State Rep. Linda Lawson should be inundated with the archived accounts which detail just how frivolously some women have made false rape allegations.
It may be controversial to say this but I don't why the f**k should there be exemptions of abortions for incest.
I could understand rape if it was forcible since a person wasn't planning to have sex at the time. But incest is consensual sex. But I know SGI people will whine that what if it was not consensual. Then that's rape not incest.
My point is that if a brother and sister want to have sex, fine. Take responisiblity for your own actions. If you get shamed and shunned, then that's your fault for nailing family members, not the people shunning you. And that is what the exemption for incest does, absolve responsibility for your own actions.
We've had feminists come in here and tell us that they would lie about being raped to get an abortion! Jesus, how stupid is this bee-otch?
The right to abortion laws were BASED on rape lies.
Norma Jean McCorvey aka "Roe" in Wade vs. Roe has come forward to admit she lied about being a rape victim.
I'd call this a comedy, but it's just not funny...
The link to the idiot Shaun Mullin's blog is http://kikoshouse.blogspot.com/
reply at will!
Below is a response I posted on his blog (will not be shocked if it is not posted):
Although you find it unconscionable that a woman would lie about rape or incest to receive an abortion, consider this, and let IT sink in...women have lied about rape for much less.
Regardless of your political ideology in relation to the Indiana abortion debate, the United States and other industrialized nations have a big problem with false rape claims. In the U.S. it is an unintended consequence of the women's rights movement, rape reform laws, and other gender biased legislation such VAWA.
Under our oppressive matriarchy (that's right, I said it, and it is) only one person has reproductive rights. Care to take a gander at who? You weep for unknown, mysterious, and mythical women who you suggest will be forced into an unwanted pregnancy through your gender political crystal ball, once again reaching for that overworn victim card.
We have unwanted pregnancies every day in this country. Unfortunately, many of these are forced upon the adult in the reproductive equation who has no rights. Are they victims too? Sadly, we do not believe in equal rights in this country, we do not call these people victims. The title often bestowed upon them is deadbeat.
If Republicans hate women, then nearly half the women in this country hate themselves.
The idea that there aren't some women who would lie to get an abortion is preposterous. If men could get pregnant, some men would lie too. There will always be people willing to lie to get what they want, and to deny that just because some of them happen to be female is just silly.
And the sad part is that Turner made a real valid point. That is what the idiots don't get.
Lawson reminds me of Olivia in that joke of a show known as Law and Order SVU. Never thought a woman lied about rape.
Back on topic,
1) A person on thinkprogress.org (God I feel dirty reading that site) agreed with Turner saying the possibility would happen. The funny part they didn't argue with him that whether it was true or not. I kid you not. They basically told him so what. Just because certain people would do it doesn't mean it should be banned. I laughed my ass off because I was basically thinking in my head this: So what these people are saying is that most people don't murder others so let's make it legal to commit murder. That's how stupid and childish it sounds.
2) Also on that site, there is a stupid feminist named Kathy I believe (she proves it later) talking about how she is one of those rape conselours. She says the typical underreporting bull (She like Lawson, believe every word of someone saying they were raped). And it gets better. She blames patriachy for rape going all the way telling fathers to teach their daughters of the evils of patriachy. She even says that patriachy=racism. I closed the site afterwards due to its stupidity.
Basically they are willing to accept rape liars ruining innocent people's lives as long as they get abortion. Completely selfish.
Many progressive writers follow the feminist ideology as their religion and are as intolerant as any religious extremist of any facts or opinions that question their undocumented belief system.
As in the case of most rapists, the "haters" you speak of live in a fragile social-eco structure. Are we to blast these women, yet forgive the rapists who function in the same class?
Slwerner your opinion?
(Some) women would lie to get anything. (Some) men too. The problem is society is constantly doing things to enable women's lying. There's not enough accountability toward men for lying in today's society. There's unbelievably not even close to enough accountability towards women for lying.
As in the case of most rapists, the "haters" you speak of live in a fragile social-eco structure. Are we to blast these women, yet forgive the rapists who function in the same class?
Slwerner your opinion?
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Nobody here advocates forgiving rapists, but it really doesn't matter whether we forgive them or not. The United States punishes rape -- and unfortunately, plenty of innocents along with the guilty -- like no other country in the history of the world. We're number one in incarceration.
But not when it comes to false rape accusers! Because of the influence of feminist haters they get special treatment. Now tell me: is that fair?
When abortion was allowed in the State of California in case of rape, the police stopped believing rape accusers because so many were lying to gain access to an abortion by rape exception.
See "The Zero People" by Jeffrey Hensley, Servant Books, 1983
http://www.amazon.com/Zero-People-Essays-Life/dp/089283126X
Anonymous- ”As in the case of most rapists, the "haters" you speak of live in a fragile social-eco structure. Are we to blast these women, yet forgive the rapists who function in the same class?
Slwerner your opinion?”
It's seems you're calling me out? I love a good “scrap”, but I'm not sure what we're fighting about here.
I've spoken on no “haters”. That was one Mr. Mullen, in reference to those who wouldn't automatically believe that no women would ever claim to have been raped just to get an abortion – indicating that anyone who would dare think such a thing MUST be doing so out of hatred for women.
Well, by that insipid definition, I am one of those “haters”.
But, if by social-eco structure you meant socio-economic structure, well frankly, I'm doing pretty well, thank you.
And, further more, I've never suggested that rapists (real rapists) be “forgiven”.
And, just who are these women who are being “blasted” here?
I'd love to debate you, but you're going to have to do a better job of presenting a cogent argument/position. As it stands, it's quite unclear just what your arguing/asking, and even more unclear why you're calling me out.
Perhaps you'd care to explain?
According to Planned Parenthood's own research arm, about 13,000 abortions each year are attributed to rape and incest—representing a mere 1 percent of all abortions
As proof of male irresponsibility, people like to cite Carol Gilligan's famous study, In a Different Voice, which found that in one-third of cases, the father influenced the woman's decision to get the abortion.
But citing this and similar studies reverses the argument. If the decision to get an abortion rests with the father one-third of the time, then clearly, the woman has made the decision in the other two- thirds of the cases.
But even Gilligan's one-third figure is suspect. A few years ago, Arthur Shostak and Gary McLouth interviewed 1,000 fathers of aborted children. Their book, Men and Abortion: Lessons, Losses, and Love reveals that only 4% of the women had been opposed to getting the abortion in the first place.
So the myth that women get an abortion because of coercion by marauding sexual predators is an urban legend that serves to shield us from one simple fact: abortion is by and large a female-dominated decision.
Women have "choice" because the feminist who say they want equality have demanded it however, although women can chose to abort the soon to be baby even if the father wants it, or she can have it even if he does not want the responsiblity and force him to pay for the next 18 or more years. Or she can have the baby, turn it over to a safe haven location and she (and ONLY she) can then walk away from ALL her responsibity.
The lack of feminist demands for equaltiy for men shows abortion is NOT about choice, but about power and control over men!
http://shatterdmen.com/march.htm
According to Planned Parenthood's own research arm, about 13,000 abortions each year are attributed to rape and incest—representing a mere 1 percent of all abortions
As proof of male irresponsibility, people like to cite Carol Gilligan's famous study, In a Different Voice, which found that in one-third of cases, the father influenced the woman's decision to get the abortion.
But citing this and similar studies reverses the argument. If the decision to get an abortion rests with the father one-third of the time, then clearly, the woman has made the decision in the other two- thirds of the cases.
But even Gilligan's one-third figure is suspect. A few years ago, Arthur Shostak and Gary McLouth interviewed 1,000 fathers of aborted children. Their book, Men and Abortion: Lessons, Losses, and Love reveals that only 4% of the women had been opposed to getting the abortion in the first place.
So the myth that women get an abortion because of coercion by marauding sexual predators is an urban legend that serves to shield us from one simple fact: abortion is by and large a female-dominated decision.
Women have "choice" because the feminist who say they want equality have demanded it however, although women can chose to abort the soon to be baby even if the father wants it, or she can have it even if he does not want the responsiblity and force him to pay for the next 18 or more years. Or she can have the baby, turn it over to a safe haven location and she (and ONLY she) can then walk away from ALL her responsibity.
The lack of feminist demands for equaltiy for men shows abortion is NOT about choice, but about power and control over men!
http://shatterdmen.com/march.htm
Not.sure if this has been mentioned, but the abortions debated were for beyond 20 weeks. This is quite late in a pregnancy anyway so I would imagine anybody that had had sex would become aware of bodily changes before this cut off anyway.
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