Friday, April 29, 2011
Why isn't the men's rights blogging community making a big deal out of the most important false rape issue in recent times?
I refer, of course, to the Department of Education's April 4 directive and the related proposed SaVE Act now under consideration in the United States Senate. But outside of FRS, Paul Elam's A Voice for Men, and The Spearhead, few bloggers have even mentioned it. Why?
I feel like the lighthouse described by the old American Indian:
Lighthouse, him no good for fog.
Lighthouse, him whistle,
him blow,
him ring bell,
him flash light,
him raise hell;
but fog come in just the same.
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The men's "movement" is useless. Bloggers would rather whine about how unfairly men have it than to focus on real things that are going to have an impact on their sons. I don't think False Rape Society's association with this crowd does it any good at all. They're so caught up in being pissed at women, they can't see a real problem even when it bites them in the ass.
Lazarus - ”The men's "movement" is useless. Bloggers would rather whine about how unfairly men have it than to focus on real things that are going to have an impact on their sons.”
[sigh]
Probably all too true at this point. The “Manosphere” isn’t so much about focusing on fighting for men’s rights as it is about whining about past injustices. Maybe we should just call it he “Male Grievance Movement” – but, I suppose MGM is already taken.
When I tried to sign the petition yesterday, I got all sorts of strange behaviors from that website. Is there an easy way to check to see if ones signature has actually made it onto the petition?
My son was home this weekend from college, so I asked for his thoughts about it.
He is completely unaware.
His nose is in a book, his mind on his studies - he had no idea.
He's not the drunken hook up type, so he wasn't too emotionally involved, other than to aknowledge how much women run the show on campus.
I just don't think most people are aware of what's happening until they get hit with it.
I truly believe most people still go about their lives in a state of denial - everything's fine.
Anonymous said...
"I just don't think most people are aware of what's happening until they get hit with it."
This is true. Try discussing FRAs with one or more men whos' heads are stuck on "game". Game will not protect them from a FRA. Kobe Bryant has game and look what he went through. Having sex with even a million women will not help men regain their rights as citizens or as human beings.
"I truly believe most people still go about their lives in a state of denial - everything's fine."
Another truth. The wise know everything is not fine. You know the danger your son can face if some woman at the college even claims he raped and/or sexually assaulted her. Keep trying to get through to him. He might thank you later.
Apr 29, 2011 10:07:00 AM
These are perilous times for men and boys. There is too much division/alienation amongst men and boys. United they can stand divided they will all fall down like toy soldiers.
What mother endures the pains of labor to bring a son into the worl, cares for him, protects him as best she can only to see him jsiled, imprisoned and/or murdered; all wasted because of a false accusation? It is not a good thing. Mmm, not a good thing at all.
I became aware of the sex offender registry in 09 because of a predicament a cousin landed in. It floored me then that a class of person could allow it self to become arbitrary and denied equal rights, due process and banished with a label attached. I watched, in this day and age, in this country, the laws snow ball into so many restrictions that this label means a persons life is over. All the laws and restrictions in the last few years passed with no opposition. My cousin could get no one to step with him and fight in his attempt to make changes to parts of the law that are truly ridicules. I gave him a list of his counties registered and he could not get one to sign in on a class action to try and ease some of the restriction. It seems that all are hiding their head in the sand and hopping it will all go away. Waiting for things to get better. These are people who have already been labeled and they almost refuse to fight. With no opposition or obstacles. With nothing standing in it’s way, This too will pass and snow ball from now on. That much seems obvious, and a shame.
Progress is in fact happening.
Stop using feminist shaming tactics. It's not "whining" to say you suffer. It's not "wimpy" to address historical injustices. Men's problem is not that they suffer or are aware of injustice. It's that they won't act...especially when the "enemy" is female.
If you demonize a man's favorite sports team, he might punch your nose. But if you take his kids in divorce, he will do nothing. If you are female. Or a judge biased toward females.
Why?
Men are raised to stuff feelings. And depend only on females for comfort.
Girls on the other hand, are raised to be unassertive. And to depend on boys for protection.
Girls were also allowed to vent feelings. And boys allowed to help girls. So it was a perfect storm for feminists: women could complain about being kept from school-sports-business-etc. and men would help them get equality in those areas.
At the same time, men who complained about THEIR lot were not only shunned and shamed by females, manginas and white-knights piled on, too. Without the support women got, what lone male could take the heat?
Plus men were told they had "all the power." That is, they controlled everything and so had no problems. An honest guy who admitted he had little power would never get laid.
So it's a mess. The massive 40+-year-old feminist army has taken more and more and more territory while men's groups failed to field even skirmishers. Guys who'd never try raising a barn alone thought they could oppose feminist armies alone.
Or maybe they thought the feminist army was weak, a phantom "girly gaggle."
Many dismissed the "little ladies" and their "silly ideas" about sexual harassment, domestic violence, etc. Until laws got passed, and innocent guys jailed.
Most men wouldn't join men's groups, seeing them as "losers' who probably deserved their fates. Of course when those same men got caught in feminist snares, they wondered why no men's group aided them.
Men's groups did little when feminist cells grew into militias, then regiments and armies. When feminists mustered, drilled, won battles, and grew ever-mightier men watched TV. The way most men talk today, you'd think laws were created at night by Martians. The truth is, feminists were active, masculinists passive.
Instead of fighting early on, men literally headed for the hills to beat drums...and hasty retreats. They hid in sweat lodges, passing "talking sticks," while feminists ravaged homes. While mythopathetic men played cowboy-and-Indians, the world went to hell. Male feminists, manginas, white knights, and other eunuchs formed feminism's willing chorus castrati.
It's fine to think and write and talk and post online. At some point, though, you have to actually fight back. Men have yet to do that. And it may well be too late.
Think of all the self-neutered "nice" fathers whose kids grew up without them. Why? Because the old man was too "manly" to fight back. Can't hit women who hit you, right? Can't hit women's groups, either, right? He may be right (not!), but she definitely took his kids.
Oh well. What do kids matter when motel-room-dwelling Papa got to watch football on nice TVs?
Such were too many modern men. So maybe the kids are better off without such fathers, ones who hate manhood. Do we really want young men growing up to be so...useless?
An army needs cooks and tailors and munitions and propagandists and spies and trucks and so on. But most of all, it needs fighters. Ones who actually engage the enemy.
Where is that fighting male army? Why do guys who'll storm enemy machinegun nest fear fembots so much?
The men's movement remains long on talk, short on action. That's what used to be said about women.
Sigh.
Feminists must laugh themselves to sleep at night. They did what Hitler-Stalin-Mao failed to do: enslave half of humanity.
"The men's movement remains long on talk, short on action. That's what used to be said about women."
I agree. But, look, we have a ton of incredibly talented bloggers who aren't afraid of taking on feminism about a thousand other topics. I just wonder, where are they on this one?
To be fair, both a voice for men and the spearhead posted articles by Pierce today. I think a lot of the hybrid game/mrm websites have been a let-down in how they respond: in mala fide, chateau, crime and federalism, hawaiian libertarian, etc. They'll publish the interesting story (like the whole Duke scandal) or Kobe getting accused, but when it comes to the bigger issue of rights and legislation, those blogs and websites are relatively quiet.
I got immediate support from Paul and Bill at the two big blogs. Paul, of course, is a false rape claim specialist with the Filler case, and I think he and Bill are great. But that said, the movement has a lot of bloggers. I think that as a blogging community, we need to react to the big issues a lot better than we do. That's all. I don't mean to criticize anyone for "not doing their job" because this is a hobby to them.
Put it this way: 2200 posts, and this is the most important issue we've ever confronted. Bar none. But it hasn't attracted the interest of a post like the woman who told a rape lie because a man didn't giver her a beer.
"Put it this way: 2200 posts, and this is the most important issue we've ever confronted. Bar none. But it hasn't attracted the interest of a post like the woman who told a rape lie because a man didn't giver her a beer."
That is unfortunate. I think the problem with this issue is that no one wants to be associated with rape. Sure, we can make strong arguments based on facts and reason how we are against rape, and even how feminists are in fact pro-rape. But it's not a matter of reality. It's a matter of perception.
The men most passionate about this issue -- the falsely accused -- know all too well how merely trying to talk about their false accusation only leads more people to wonder if they are guilty. That's why there are so few lawsuits. That's why there isn't an organization of false rape survivors. It's the presumption of guilt.
That guy who wouldn't buy a beer? Chances are he just wishes people would forget about it so he can try to move on with his life.
I don't think so, Anon. All the bloggers write about false rape claims and don't shy away from it for fear of being perceived as pro-rape. They know they're not pro-rape, and they write about this stuff all the time. Why not now? My guess is that it's just too theoretical.
As for why they don't sue: often, they can't find a lawyer to take it on a contingent fee basis because the false accusers are young women of modest means and largely judgment-proof.
What ever happened to the False Rape Strike Force?
It's weird that there hasn't been more on this. Also weird is the way most feminist sites seem to be remaining silent as well. I guess if they celebrate victories it will errode the victim narrative.
Honestly it's because most people are worthless these days.
You see the same thing at Reddit. Sensational, meaningless bullshit will get loads of attention, but nothing important will ever garner the interest of the masses.
Modern human beings are mainly fucking worthless drones feeding off a constant stream of entertainment.
The vast majority of human beings today are ignorant and stupid. And it sickens me.
The only way these clowns wake up is when we (possibly) hit the coming greater depression in a year or two. Even then, they won't realize that it was their own stupidity in allowing the powers that be to run the constitution into the ground that got us there.
It wouldn't surprise me if Ferdinand over at In Mala Fide would be willing to print a piece on this particular issue. But I also don't see much action coming from anyone at FRS.
How far the human species has fallen. We will never be truly great.
Read this article and lament the loss of virility in modern humans: http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/04/30/4437/
I meant to say that we won't see much action coming from anyone at IMF (In Mala Fide). They don't do much either.
"Try discussing FRAs with one or more men whos' heads are stuck on "game". Game will not protect them from a FRA. Kobe Bryant has game and look what he went through."
Preach on. Truth is, "alphas" are at greater risk for certain kinds of FRAs, since they're the ones who are having the most drunken hookup sex.
Game is good for helping guys get laid, but it's not a panacea. Not by a long shot.
iv been falsely accused by my ex wife
I submitted an article to In Mala Fide and I sent an email to Roissy requesting that he cover some of this stuff yesterday. No response back yet.
You are welcome to guest-post on human-stupidity. Just post a comment anywhere and I give you authoring rights.
Or prepare a sort of press release in html format that you authorize explicitly to be copied by any web site. Make it very detailed, with links to your articles for further clarifications.
In that case I can post to human-stupidity and submit to inmalafide
One problem is that you are not dramatic enough.
Add 3 things
a) University tend to believe women anyway, so even with clear and convincing evidence most rape accusations get accepted and the man convicted
b) now that burden has been lowered, so there probably will be a near 100% conviction rate, no matter how absurd and patently false the accusation
c) add to this the blog post on the Stanford (?) site that described the material used for mandatory schooling of the people deciding the grievance (no neutrality, always in favor of the victim), that will guarantee conviction. (link?)
If the woman has 50.001 %
"University tend to believe women anyway, so even with clear and convincing evidence most rape accusations get accepted and the man convicted . . . ."
My experience is that it's a mixed bag and generalizations aren't appropriate.
I intentionally did not save the article to my computer. Were you able to look at it through Ferdinand? If not, I have no qualms with re-typing it up. I also have no qualms with it being copied or reposted by any site. This is a busy week, but I'll try to whip up some stuff this weekend.
I'm an MRA and one problem is that we deal with lots of issues all at once (circumcision, child custody, etc. etc.) and so we don't always know of everything going on. I watchmensactivism.org and ncfm.org but sometimes I miss things. When help is needed post it at mensactivism.org and be sure people from groups like NCFM and RADAR are in your email list when you send notices. I don't agree that the movement is useless though I understand the frustration, it could be doing better and there's alot of actionless griping. But there is still action and the numbers are growing, all around the world. http://ncfm.org/2011/04/issues/mens-rights-movements-around-the-world/
NCFM helped get signatures on the petition to disbar Mary Kellett, was very outspoken about the Duke situation, and we have a false accusations page on our issues page. We've done op eds, LTEs and news releases on the issue as well as tabling and petitions. We're doing what we can. http://ncfm.org/
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