First her comment, then my response:
SenoritaRita: Great, so you acknowledge that they [the Lacrosse players] had a reputation for hard partying in public, behavior which [Coach] Pressler also knew about. The coaching staff--and the athletic department for that matter--did not care that they exhibited this type of behavior as a unit in a public setting, even though its conduct was unbecoming of a group that directly represents the university. it follows then that while this behavior is not atypical of the average Duke student, it created an environment where the allegations made against the team were imminently believable. The fundamental issue with the team under Pressler wasn't that the stripper's allegations were false, but that they rung true to the average person on campus because of their perceptions of the team. You reap what you sow.
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My response: "The fundamental issue with the team under Pressler wasn't that the stripper's allegations were false, but that they rung true to the average person on campus because of their perceptions of the team. You reap what you sow."
As founder of the world's leading Web site dedicated to giving voice to persons falsely accused of sex crimes, The False Rape Society, I find your comment morally grotesque.
The fact that someone belongs to a team that "parties hard" is never justification to destroy that individual's life with a false rape accusation, and your blithe assertion that "you reap what you sow" smacks of good old fashioned victim blaming.
If we were to suggest that a female rape victim "asked for it" or that she "reaped what she sowed" merely because she "parties hard," we would justifiably be branded as misogynists for such blatant victim blaming. Your comment is no less offensive merely because the vicims here happened to be male.
It is attitudes such as yours that engendered disrepute of Duke on an international scale due to the lacrosse outrage.
Shame on you.
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Awww, you're just an ugly little troll with a small dick that hates women and lives in his mothers basement and can't get laid so you play video games all the time, except when you are out raping empowered women....
That about cover her response?
TMOTS
I find it interesting that when it comes to the players' partying, the standard that applies is, "You reap what you sow."
But what about Crystal's partying? And what about her history of lying about rape, of slamming into a cop car, of sucking dicks for money, etc?
Why did the campus accept the players' partying as evidence but not hers? If that's the standard then her credibility should still have been considered immeasurably lower than theirs.
Polite smackdown FTW!
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http://current.com/groups/law-and-justice/89911473_mary-n-kellet-assistant-district-attorney-hitwoman-for-maine-s-7th-district-court.htm
and,
http://www.fillerfund.com/marykellett.htm
from,
http://men-factor.blogspot.com/2011/03/mary-n-kellett-bloody-mary-announces.html
"The fundamental issue with the team under Pressler wasn't that the stripper's allegations were false, but that they rung true to the average person on campus because of their perceptions of the team. You reap what you sow."
I would say that it should be named "perpetrator"-blaming, or more correctly accused-blaming.
I've heard the same for Assange being an asshole(his mails and dating site info) and at the same time chastisement for those who leaked the accuser's info.
It's amusing and baffling to see the self-righteous showing no proof of possessing a discerning self capable of consistency.
"I would say that it should be named "perpetrator"-blaming, or more correctly accused-blaming."
Don't understand this. The players falsely accused did not deserve to be falsely accused any more than a woman who is raped deserves to be accused of "asking for it." So, yes, this is victim-blaming in its purest form.
I guess the only argument I have there is the gender difference in 'asking for it'. Women who are raped may be criticized for 'passive' behavior (what they wore, their drinking, etc). Men, on the other hand, blatantly ask for it by literally inviting sexual encounters.
The reason the players "reaped and sowed" the results of their party is simple. The case was known to be a hoax about 2-3 weeks after the party, when DNA results came back. But the people that had so much invested in the hoax had to keep their case propped on something, so they chose underage drinking... the one and only thing that the Duke kids did "wrong".
Going on the logic of the wench: from now on all rapes are either false-rape claim or she-asked-for-it and therefore he is not guilty.
Funny, I think there was another article here on your site that brought up something similar.
The chick who called rape on her landlord. The one with her boyfriend and his mother in jail with her unable to pay the rent. I remember the comments in the article saying the exact same crap. That he deserved to be falsely accused of rape since he was cheating on his wife. Unbelievable at times. Victim blaming against males. Huge double standard.
"Men, on the other hand, blatantly ask for it by literally inviting sexual encounters."
Not like we have much of a choice there. I'm not really looking to join the priesthood anytime soon.
Zarko,
I wouldn't even try to have a conversation with GeorgiaGirl.
She's always been absolutely vitriolic to this site. She's been hating so long, I think it's eaten her up. I wish she'd seek some professional help. She posted here for a while, but when no one bought her claim of rape from over 50 years ago, and all she did was spew hatred towards the falsely accused, we did delete her comments.
If that is such a problem, she should start her own site, say on rape, and then let anyone say anything on it. She can put her money where her mouth is.
Honestly, she's never met a rape claim she didn't like.
Edit - Roughly 50 years ago, not over 50 years ago.
She had a website for her side of the story, which was pretty libelous. Don't know if it's still up, but sorry, that's a she said situation, with absolutely NO way to prove it. And she claims she remembers it from a recovered memory. I'm always suspicious of those kind of claims.
So because a group of guys had a reputation for "partying hard", they deserve everything they get? What if a group of girls have a reputation for partying hard?
It seems the rule nowadays is that women should be able to have a good time, but men should be expected to act like saints and just attend church and the boy scouts.
No doubt there is an element of payback or revenge in all this. In some people's minds, this is all merely settling the score for times past (however real or imagined) where women were expected to always be refined and ladylike, while single men were permitted to live it up.
"The fundamental issue with the team under Pressler wasn't that the stripper's allegations were false, but that they rung true to the average person on campus because of their perceptions of the team. You reap what you sow."
The fact that so many people on campus and elsewhere were willing to believe that these young men were rapists, simply because they did not act like complete saints, says more about how effective misandric propaganda and rape hysteria has been than it says about the characters of the Duke accused.
However much feminists wring their hands over victim-blaming, they are invariably the biggest victim-blamers when it suits them. I have seen it time and again on other forums that whenever the subject is raised of some instance where a man is treated unfairly by the system, feminist commenters will invariably try to find any lame excuse to explain why it really is his fault and he should get no sympathy.
Nick S.,
Well said. What they don't realize, is that it just feeds the cycle. The more they minimize or outright dismiss any suffering by men, the more they push men toward what is labeled the MRM, and they create the misogyny they state already exits. Misogynists are made, not born.
Steve:
I enjoy fighting too much... it's a vice! As a Serb, it's ingrained in my DNA. :) Stupid, I know, but what can one do...
But... that thread... Duke... is simply too juicy to pass up. Discussing the McFadyen email, which I believe is one of the greater police violations in a while, is pretty fun.
Discussing how the criminals at Duke went against their own students is simply necessary.
Zarko,
I agree that arguing the Duke case is worthwhile. I just think arguing with GG is a waste of time. She's convinced herself that any man accused is guilty. That's why she has such a problem with this site, it shoots her beliefs down hard, and I don't think she can handle facing that.
All I can say is good luck.
Steven, I am sure that a lot of this kind of misandrist propaganda has the effect of making men feel more hostile towards women. When we live in a society where we are constantly bombarded with these kinds of messages, and where the public and media discourse seems to heavily consist of women peddling various falsehoods and blaming men, eventually this must rub off on men's attitudes. It is likely that men start to develop a mentality of assuming that women are against them, and begin to develop a certain hostile mindset.
Although I doubt very much whether feminists care about this at all, or if they may well be happy for this to happen. I am sure that for them, it is all just grist for their mill. Their main objective is to foster as much antagonism between the sexes as possible. This is mainly due to a kind of 'dog-in-a-manger' mentality. Because they typically have never had happy relationships or families themselves, they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.
In political strategy, this is known as 'scab-lifting'. Try to identify sore points and exploit them without offering any real solutions.
I am sure that for them, it is all just grist for their mill. Their main objective is to foster as much antagonism between the sexes as possible.
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But that will only be effective until these angry men organize politically. The feminists do NOT want that to happen.
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