Thursday, March 24, 2011

It is critical that false rape accusers be prosecuted, even if it means that some will refuse to recant

We received a note from a reader asking our opinion about the matter referenced in the title of this post. We've opined on this matter previously, but it is well to revisit it.

It is my belief that it is critical to prosecute false rape claims. The fact that questions such as this are even raised only underscores that our justice system has serious systemic problems that will only be exacerbated by granting rape liars de facto immunity for their crimes.

Relying on rape recantations to spare men and boys from incarceration for false rape claims is a snare and a delusion. It is, in fact, likely that adopting a policy of not punishing rape liars will have the effect of reducing recantations.  Why is that?

A rape liar makes a false claim to fulfill a personal need -- often to give her a handy excuse, to exact revenge, or to gain attention.  The rape liar is unlikely to drop the lie unless she believes that doing so will fulfill an even greater, more pressing, personal need than the one that prompted the lie in the first place.  Most rape lies are recanted due to the belief that the lie is likely to be exposed and that the liar will be punished more severely if she refuses to admit it.

In point of fact, rape recantations typically occur only after police have found a hole, often a gaping hole, in the accuser's story and there is little likelihood that the case will go to trial anyway, much less result in a conviction. Police officers apprise the accuser that they've found a video, a witness, or some other evidence, and that her story doesn't add up. That is often enough to get her to recant.  But the reason many, if not most, recant is due to the fear that their punishment will be more severe if they don't. If the fear of punishment were removed, it is unlikely that many would recant.

More fundamentally, for every other criminal act, our criminal justice system values the concept of deterrence. Would-be false accusers will not be deterred unless they know they face serious consequences. Without this deterrence, what is to stop many more women and girls from manufacturing rape lies?

Even posing the question about whether false accusers should be punished is troubling. It acknowledges that our current system is deeply flawed because it allows wrongful arrests and even convictions following false rape claims in numbers too significant to ignore.

Instead of advocating to grant women and girls carte blanche to lie about rape, wouldn't our time be better spent advocating to fix the underlying problem? Specifically, the problem is that we permit the presumptively innocent, who too often turn out to have been falsely accused, to be arrested and jailed on uncorroborated, even far-fetched claims, and often before an investigation has been conducted, much less concluded.

An innocent man or boy should not need to depend on a false accuser's whim to decide whether she will, in her sole and unilateral discretion, free him from his false rape hell by recanting. For what other crime would we even suggest with a straight face that the perpetrator should be given the right to decide, without fear of punishment, whether his victim continues to suffer for the harm he caused?  In the case of a false rape claim, the rape accuser has proven herself untrustworthy by telling the lie in the first place. She is the last person whose goodwill the falsely accused should be forced to depend on. And, as noted above, without the threat of even greater punishment for not recanting, most rape liars likely would not recant.

False accusers need to know before they lie that the punishment for a false rape claim will be severe. The problem today is not that we are discouraging recantations by prosecuting false accusers. The problem today is that we are tacitly encouraging false rape claims by not prosecuting enough false accusers, and by sentencing the ones we do prosecute too leniently.

At FRS, we advocate a sliding scale: for early recantations, before a male has been arrested, the false accuser should be treated more leniently. Recantations should be rewarded, but they should never be a "get out of jail free" card.  The longer the lie is permitted to go unrecanted, the greater the punishment needs to be.

Far too many falsely accused men and boys have sat in prison cells and suffered the atrocities of incarceration waiting in vain for a recantation that never was uttered. It's time we stop depending on the goodwill of rape liars by hoping that they will show mercy to the innocent men and boys whose lives they've already destroyed.

Finally, consider this. A 16-year-old boy named Maoloud Baby once was convicted of raping an 18-year-old woman in the back of her car. The woman testified that she told Maoloud he could have sex with her if he stopped when she told him to, but she claimed that when she yelled for him to stop, he continued for five to 10 seconds. He did not ejaculate but withdrew. He and his the woman drove to a McDonalds, they hugged, she gave him her phone number, and he left. Maoloud was convicted of first degree rape and other offenses for delaying withdrawal for as little as five seconds, by the woman's own admission.

If we are willing to incarcerate a teenage boy for a five second delay, doesn't a woman deserve some punishment if she allows a man or boy to rot in a prison cell for a day -- a week -- a month -- a year -- or many years -- because she cared so little about his life that she had him arrested over a lie?  The question scarcely survives its statement.

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

You should link this on the right side of your page. It's one of your best arguments.

atlas said...

A 16 year old boy continued intercourse for 5-10 seconds before finding the self-discipline to withdraw when the woman decided it was time to stop? He should get an award that he was able at his age to come back to his senses in the midst of heated consensual sex. When two people are having consensual sex, to a degree, they physically and emotionally can become one body. At that point, it can be difficult to disengage. Regardless, in this case, the 5-10 seconds prosecution is insane.

Archivist said...

Atlas, I agree. Prosecuting that one was simply wrong.

Anonymous said...

Your argument to prosecute false accusers not such a good idea:

"But the reason many, if not most, recant is due to the fear that their punishment will be more severe if they don't. If the fear of punishment were removed, it is unlikely that many would recant.

Pierce, this might be a dangerous line to tread for reasons of intimidation -- real victims may recant based on fear.

bustybetty

Anonymous said...

Very astute MRA 101 material, especially concerning why false rape accusers recant. It has nothing to do with any decency on their part! They have glands but not hearts.

False rape accusers are cowardly creatures, and as soon as they realize that they won't be able to fast talk their victim's lawyer as easily as they did their weak-ass parents they feel overwhelmed and start looking for a rat trail out of the legal maze. Even with our ridiculously unfair rape shield laws these liars still don't enjoy having their idiotic lies scrutinized exhaustively.

Besides: false rape accusers are usually far stupider than the brilliant little pixies they imagine themselves to be, and it's a real ego deflator to be reminded in court that they aren't cute, loveable, sexy or smart, or any of the other things that they wish they could be. These are failed women who are used to people being disgusted with them as soon as the disguise wears off.

Archivist said...

". . . real victims may recant based on fear."

That is true. Except, as I just got done saying, in the vast majority of cases, the police already know what happened. They have objectively verifiable evidence. They are just hoping for a recantation to put the final nail in her coffin.

This blog does not advocate taking a recantation at face value. It must be viewed in light of all the surrounding circumstances. There have been plenty of cases correctly decided where recantations were rejected by the courts. I wrote my share of those a long time ago when I was an appellate law clerk.

If you are looking to troll this site because you think we have the attitude that the accused are always innocent, you've picked the wrong site. Here's a revelation: the accused for most crimes generally turn out to be guilty. That doesn't diminish the protections due them when they are presumptively innocent -- some of them turn out to be factually innocent. And acquaintance rape claims are a much trickier subject than most crimes. It can't be said whether most accused of acquaintance rape are actually guilty.

Anonymous said...

Pierce, this might be a dangerous line to tread for reasons of intimidation -- real victims may recant based on fear.

***

To the contrary, real victims would be discouraged from recanting! And when a real abuse victim recants it's because they want to get back together with the perpetrator, not out of fear of exposure (as is the case with the liars).

'This will discourage real victims from coming forward' is a baseless lie.

Archivist said...

Anon at 9:44 raises some good points.

In all, no good cop, no good D.A., no good judge wants to accept a recantation that's a lie, regardless of the motivation. If the evidence shows a rape, and the alleged victim recants, the case might have to be thrown out because a crucial witness won't cooperate. But if the other evidence is strong enough, the case can go forward.

Remember, the case is being brought on behalf of the STATE, not one alleged victim. If a guy commits a crime, and it's clear he's committed the crime, even if the victim recants, the STATE should still want the guy off the street.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm
This will discourage real victims from coming forward is a baseless lie.

How do you know, since neither of us are rape victims. I'm not sure I can agree with you on that.

bustyb

Anonymous said...

"Remember, the case is being brought on behalf of the STATE, not one alleged victim. If a guy commits a crime, and it's clear he's committed the crime, even if the victim recants, the STATE should still want the guy off the street."

Exactly. The root of this seeming conundrum is that we currently place too much value on the word of the accuser. If the alleged perpetrator cannot be arrested or prosecuted based on no other evidence than the alleged victim's word, and can only be arrested and prosecuted based on other evidence, then whether or not the alleged victim recants doesn't matter.

If an actual victim recants (out of some hypothetical fear of being punished for making a false accusation), then the perpetrator can still be prosecuted. If a false accuser does not recant, then the falsely accused still cannot be prosecuted.

False rape accusation should be a felony with severe punishment. Then recantation should be considered in sentencing just like a confession of any other crime.

Druk said...

I know we have a study showing statistics on reasons why false sexual assault accusations are made, but do we have any actual study showing statistics on reasons why they are recanted? Or are we relying on the stories that have been posted to this site?
Not that this article's claims are false or necessarily inaccurate, but it's hardly a rigorous study free from things such as sample bias.

Secondly, I find the use of "boy" for a 16-yr-old, and "woman" for an 18-yr-old is a little misleading. There's a reason we call adolescents "young (wo)men".
Many US state laws, and laws in other countries, recognize that in the context of sex, these two teenagers are in the same range of maturity.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm
This will discourage real victims from coming forward is a baseless lie.

How do you know, since neither of us are rape victims. I'm not sure I can agree with you on that.

bustyb

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It doesn't work that way. YOU are the one claiming that punishing false rape accusers will deter real victims; YOU therefore have the burden of proof.

By asserting that expert opinion supports your contention YOU ARE LYING.

You shouldn't state your convenient fantasies as facts, "bustyb."

Incidentally, you have no way of determining whether or not I'm a rape victim! You don't know any more about me than you do about the issues we're discussing, and yet you continue to flap gums as if you did. It's sad.

Anonymous said...

Since it is unlikely we will see fair and just prosecution of false accusers, we have the power now to stop convictions of those falsely accused through Jury Nullification. Jury Nullification should be taught as a basic right and responsibility of all citizen-jury members in the US. A jury should not be a rubber stamp for the D.A., judge, or other authorities within the legal system.

Fully Informed Jury Association
http://fija.org/

http://fija.org/about/history/


http://fija.org/document-library/activism-organizing/

An advocate for Jury Nullification was indicted in February 2011 for "Jury Tampering" by handing out a pamphlet at the courthouse steps:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2680112/posts

This is the pamphlet he was handing out:

http://fija.org/download/BR_YYYY_true_or_false.pdf

The question is: how is telling a jury about their Constitutional Rights considered to be jury tampering? He's not telling them how to vote one way or another on a particular case!?

Questions for Archivist and slwerner (since you both are closer to the legal process): What do you two think about Jury Nullification? Why do we not give this basic right more emphasis here at FRS?

Anonymous said...

"These are failed women who are used to people being disgusted with them as soon as the disguise wears off."

Wow. What a powerfully truthful statement.


To Mustybetty - excuse me, I meant to say BUSTYbetty - I think someone's on to you...

Pure golden:

Besides: false rape accusers are usually far stupider than the brilliant (busty?)little pixies they imagine themselves to be, and it's a real ego deflator to be reminded in court that they aren't cute, loveable, sexy or smart, or any of the other things that they wish they could be. These are failed women who are used to people being disgusted with them as soon as the disguise wears off.

slwerner said...

”Most rape lies are recanted due to the belief that the lie is likely to be exposed and that the liar will be punished more severely if she refuses to admit it.

In point of fact, rape recantations typically occur only after police have found a hole…”


An excellent point, that has been borne out over and over in the stories highlighted at the FRS. Women who make false allegations, especially against a named man, seem to have little in the way of a conscious about what they are doing. Free from any threat to themselves, many, like Biurny Peguero lack the basic element of remorse that would cause them to “come clean” rather than allow an innocent man to have to suffer for their lies. It seems as if it always requires some sense that they will be found out and be punished themselves to get them to recant.

”At FRS, we advocate a sliding scale: for early recantations, before a male has been arrested, the false accuser should be treated more leniently. Recantations should be rewarded, but they should never be a "get out of jail free" card. The longer the lie is permitted to go unrecanted, the greater the punishment needs to be.”

This needs to be added to the “ABOUT THIS BLOG” bullet-point links. New comers should be introduced to this very logical concept right away.

AfOR said...

I'm not too hot on the sliding scale issue...

Murder will get you say 20 years.

ATTEMPTED murder (also premeditated of course) will get you 17 years.

So a FRA that sees an innocent man convicted should get 20 years.

An FRA that fails at the first police investigation should get 17 years.

I'd suggest a flat minimum consecutive term of 10 years per FRA lodged, even if no one is arrested.

My skank ho ex got confused on oath about how many rape accusations she has actually made (think two digits) and she has terminated the lives of NINE human beings (abortion) and yet her word by DEFAULT was treated as being sacrosanct.

slwerner said...

Druk - ”…do we have any actual study showing statistics on reasons why they are recanted? Or are we relying on the stories that have been posted to this site?”

It is largely the latter. The reason is that most FRA’s only come to be known about (publicly) when they are reported on. Many simply “fade away” or are actively “swept under the rug”, with the public none-the-wider. I know of several (via some “insider information”) known, or highly suspected, FRA’s that have either been decline for prosecution, or have been dropped during the course of the prosecution due to evidence that the allegation was false. Unless someone makes an effort to notify the press, very few people are ever aware that it happened.

And, even those FRA’s that are reported often lack any discussion of the motivation behind the fabrication (one of my pet peeves related tot eh FRA issue). I believe that in many cases this is due to an effort being made to protect the liar from any further embarrassment over what she’s done (i.e. the poor woman is embarrassed enough that people know she made false report, no need to tell the world that she was cheating on her husband as well).

And, as far as I know, no one has done a systematic statistical analysis of the reasoning behind the recantations of FRA’s.

So, yes. We largely rely on the accounts given in the press, not only to learn of the prevalence of FRA’s, but also to try to get some idea of why a recantation was made. And, going by what we are given, most seem to happen ONLY when the accuser is confronted with possible exposure of her lie. Biurny Peguero (keep using her because she’s such a perfect example) only started to have “regrets” after she learned that the DNA found on her (from her friend’s bite) was behind analyzed. Once she realized that her long-standing, innocent man-imprisoning lie was about to be exposed, she “suddenly” grew a conscience.

Dehbashi said...

Of course bustybetty would say that.

She was the one who agreed that the guy should be in prison for pulling out 5 seconds later.

But great article. It fits the human psych. That's what these people who are against punishment for false rape accusser don't get.

Anonymous said...

It is the perversion of American Law enforcement that has fostered and enabled the now "Culture of false rape accusations", to get this rooted in American society.

Archivist said...

Update to this story: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/03/college-woman-lies-about-rape-and-it.html

Court documents reveal why former Goshen College student filed false rape report

GOSHEN — Jessica De La Vega said she was abducted from Goshen College at knife-point and then raped at a nearby park. Investigators say it was all a lie — that she made the story up as an excuse to her parents for being gone from home too long.

For months, students at Goshen College took extra steps to stay safe. They used security escorts and watched out for one another.

"We were always walking in pairs, especially that night," said Erica Yost, a senior at the university.

The probable cause affidavit also revealed it was actually De La Vega's mother who called police and told them her daughter was raped and abducted. The woman told officers her daughter was taken to the Reith Interpretative Center's parking lot, less than a mile from campus.

"I was definitely worried when I heard footsteps," said Cassie Greives. "You are always checking."

Now, students at Goshen College are letting their guard down. Former student De La Vega was formally charged Friday for filing a false report.

She told police she was abducted on campus and then raped at a nearby park. Investigators say that was a lie.

She told police she was on campus the night the attack allegedly happened. Court documents revealed she was in St. Joseph County having sex with a friend.

In the weeks that followed, a suspect sketch was released. According to the probable cause document, De La Vega identified very specific features of her assailant.

It was only recently that officers confronted De La Vega about the holes in her story. She admitted driving to the parking lot and creating the story.

De La Vega posted bail and will appear in court on April 6. She faces three years in jail if convicted.

http://articles.wsbt.com/2011-03-23/goshen-college_29180353

Archivist said...

Great story we're going to be discussing here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369536/Fury-woman-cried-rape-sparking-major-police-hunt-handed-80-penalty-notice.html

Archivist said...

WOMAN GETS TW0-AND-A-HALF YEARS FOR RAPE LIE

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/03/24/woman-who-made-up-rape-claim-sent-to-prison-115875-23011253/

slwerner said...

Archivist - Update to this story: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/03/college-woman-lies-about-rape-and-it.html

* “Investigators say it was all a lie — that she made the story up as an excuse to her parents for being gone from home too long.”

* “Court documents revealed she was in St. Joseph County having sex with a friend.”


Hum. An alibi for illicit sex, was it?

I wonder what Mag.G, who seemed so sure that the women was merely conflating an imaginary scenario with some real-life sexual trauma, would have to say now?

Archivist said...

slw: wow! Your memory always amazes me. I'd forgotten about Mag. Oh, well, you and I both know that whatever we tell people like Mag, it won't change the narrative.

Anonymous said...

OT: although they were both mentally troubled men, has anyone ever examined what Marc Lepine and the Unabomber said about feminism in their respective rants? Yes, they were insane (and Unabomber is still alive), but even insane people can utter truths.

Anonymous said...

We don't give a damn what those murderers had to say.

Anonymous said...

Actually Charles Manson has some pretty profound things to say too...if you listen to him.

I never did before my own walk through the Just Us system...now he doesn't sound nearly as "looney tunes"...

Anonymous said...

We've got a few Charlie Mansons in our midst.

Anonymous said...

Here's a revelation: the accused for most crimes generally turn out to be guilty.

But not when it comes to alleged rape. Here, the accused are generally innocent and it's all she said/he said and there's really no way for the DA to prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury. In other crimes there's always some sort of evidence. The cops either got a search warrant and found the stolen money or there was an eyewitness who will testify to a crime etc etc
Date rape? What's that? People go on dates because they want to have sex in general. So there should always be a presumption of innocence rather than the other way round.If a female regrets having sex or if she sent the wrong signals indicating that she wanted to have sex then that's just an unpleasant misunderstanding not a crime.

5 second rape? That's insane. Once a female consents either verbally, non verbally or just allows a man to have sex with her without protesting then everything after that is not rape.

cdwriteme said...

For me it's simple math based on my predictions.

The number of women who don't falsely accuse in the first place due to fear of inarceration for being caught

Is greater than...

The number of women who refuse to recant false accusations because of fear of incarceration.

In fact, I don't even think it would be close. Women are pretty chicken by nature. For most, it's only when they feel pretty sure the deck is stacked in their favor do they get cocky.

Anonymous said...

I strongly suspect that we are being trolled by a feminist psychopath who is doing his (yes, probably a "he') manipulative best to make us look bad.

Dude, we don't give a fuck what Charles Manson has to say. He is a pair of eternally flapping cunt lips and nothing else. Only a weak-minded imbecile would be impressed by anything that comes out of the mouth of that silly little pimp.

Also, it is completely wrong to claim that "whatever happens after she allows sex" is either legal or moral. A woman has every right to withdraw consent at any time.

It IS utterly ridiculous that a very unfortunate man was convicted for allegedly taking five seconds to withdraw, but this does not negate a woman's legitimate right to change her mind.

But you already know that, don't you? You are trying to smear us.

Archivist said...

"Also, it is completely wrong to claim that "whatever happens after she allows sex" is either legal or moral. A woman has every right to withdraw consent at any time."

Yeah, I am at a loss as to why this is even an issue. If women insisted that they should control the act and that once started, a guy can't stop until he ejaculates, it would strike everyone as too loony to be believed. Yet some people have no problem insisting that a woman who doesn't want to proceed -- perhaps she's in pain, or remembered she left something on the stove -- has no say in the matter.

And as for the boy who failed to withdraw for as little as five seconds, was it technically rape? Sigh, I suppose it was, if that was more time than reasonable to withdraw. But whoever prosecuted that case -- come on! It was five second! These things have to be applied with common sense.

Anonymous said...

PART I OF TWO

When a Muslim terrorist bombs an embassy or commits another atrocity, the leftist media is eager to know "why." When Marc Lepine killed people, the leftist media "knew" it was because he hated women, and they didn't bother to look beyond that. They concluded that he was somehow representative of men.

Marc Lepine was a kook and the suggestion that he was representative of men is belied by the fact his insane act was a rarity in all Canadian history. Some men are abusive; but relatively few. Clearly, Lepine used feminism as the scapegoat for his own failures.

But like the terrorists, don't we really want to know what their beefs were? I guess if we disagree with their message, no, we don't.

Well, here it is. Lepine was upset because feminists want to retain all the advantages of being women while taking the advantages men formerly enjoyed for being men. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine#L.C3.A9pine.27s_suicide_statement

I don't think there's ever been a single discussion in all of Canada in the aftermath of Lepine's rampage that maybe feminist excesses are causing resentments, and that maybe even sane people (unlike Lepine, who was crazy) harbor those resentments. Maybe a lot of men who would never kill anyone are resentful.

The reason they never discussed it is because they don't care. Men can shove their resentment up their asses for all they care.

END OF PART I

Anonymous said...

PART II of II

Unabomber was also insane, though brilliant. From his manifesto, it's clear he was fed up with leftists:

One who believes that women, homsexuals, etc., should have equal rights is not necessarily a leftist. The feminist, gay rights, etc., movements that exist in our society have the particular ideological tone that characterizes leftism, and if one believes, for example, that women should have equal rights it does not necessarily follow that one must sympathize with the feminist movement as it exists today.
. . .
Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men
.. . .
Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

Archivist said...

Anon at 10:01, wait, wait, wait. First, I've seen the Unabomber's rant but don't know enough about Lepine (I should know more) other than the fact that his act was unpardonable.

But I need to make clear I part company with your premise. Even journalists we now know who have anti-Semitic sympathies didn't try to find a rational motivation for 9/11. Violent terrorist acts like 9/11 -- and Lepine's act and Unabomber's acts -- are inexcusable, regardless of the motivation.

We shouldn't expect Lepine's savage act that killed fourteen innocent people to spur a discussion about even a legitimate matter. Same for Unabomber.

Anonymous said...

Yes, and besides: the Unibomber was primarily a Luddite, who was terrified that the world is about to be overrun by man's creations, ala Skynet. I don't know what that has to do with men's issues.

As for the eternal left/right political seesaw, leftists make the mistake of viewing history as a tale of endless repression, and fail to recognize how the free market has vastly improved the lives of ordinary people.

The right, on the other hand, make the mistake of viewing the economy as a perpetual struggle between winners and losers, failing to recognize that economic growth occurs in clumps and is not a 'rising tide.' In other words, some people really do need and deserve assistance: the unemployed aren't just lazy bums, for example.

Anonymous said...

perhaps she's in pain, or remembered she left something on the stove

Use some common sense fellah you know that's not what I meant and besides that still wouldn't constitute rape, and who's this idiot who's bringing Manson into the argument.

was it technically rape? Sigh, I suppose it was

Well, it wasn't and will never be no matter how many times wacko females and manginas claim it is. You really can't see how you've been conditioned over the past 20 years to believe certain things that are completely wacky and against all tradition and the laws of nature.
Back in the 80's I was a guest on the Morton Downey show along with a couple of other people and two wacky feminists. For some reason the feminists got us discussing rape which was not even a big topic back then and of little interest to people. I said that once a female had agreed to sex that nothing after that could be contrued as rape. Now Morton who was a typical white knight feminist mangina type agreed with me and not one person in the audience or even the two feminists objected to what I said.
Who would have ever believed that in the future men would have to always be on the defensive every time they had sex! I guess that we baby boomers will have to strighten all this out because I can see that the Gen X ers and Gen Y's are completely brainwashed and out of touch with reality.

Anonymous said...

@buttsybetty-if a few rare real victims of rape fail to report it then that is their problem.Almost all real victims of rape end up in the hospital anyway and some nurse reports it and the cops interview her there. I'm very suspicious of females who just walk into a police station and claim they were raped especially if they're reporting something that didn't just happen.Besides, it's better that 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent is convicted and I personally would extend that to 10 guilty men going free is better than 1 innocent man even being a suspect in something like rape even if the cops know the female is a liar and immediately release him.Reprts and papers don't don't disappear and you can be sure that that innocent man's name is there in the cop files forever and that if something ever happens in the area that they may be questioning him again, and remember, he was completely innocent of anything and was in fact a victim.

Snark said...

@Anon6:38

Riiiight, the boomers are going to 'sort things out' for all the younguns.

Aren't you the generation that gave us radical feminism?

I'd say maybe you've done enough damage already.

Anonymous said...

Snark, like most kids you have a very poor grasp of history. The radical feminists were from before the boomer generation. The boomers did achieve a lot simply by protesting, taking over dean's offices and college campuses etc. You see, it didn't matter what they were protesting or even if they were correct because they kept the government and the police state in check and always on the defensive. The Gen X ers and Y's just played their kiddie xbox's and the government because bold in violating right's esp. men's rights since they had nothing to fear from this docile and brain numbed and media indoctrinated generation. We're in this position because the younger generation shirked their duty to keep the gov't in check. Or do you expect 50-60 yo guys to be doing this for you? We did our part, YOU didn't you pussies.

Archivist said...

No, Snark is right. Men from the "Baby Boom" -- post WWII babies -- allowed the feminist excesses.

Archivist said...

To Anon: my guess is Snark is not a baby boomer; I am definitely a baby boomer. But it was very few baby boomer men or women who pushed these reforms through, but virtually every major rape reform occurred after the mid-70s. The '80s were the primary period of reform, when the first wave of baby boomers were in their mid-30s to mid-40s.

Snark said...

"We did our part, YOU didn't you pussies."

You did your part all right.

Thanks for creating a world infested with radical feminism. The younger generations are so thankful to you for that!

BTW: I don't really give a shit about intergenerational conflict. There are misandrists and there are anti-feminists in every generation. You came here attacking other generations when our common enemy is feminism. This, coming from a boomer, is a bit fucking rich, pops.

Anonymous said...

I've pointed it out before, it was the feminist's movement piggybacking onto the civil rights movement that "allowed" feminism.

Believe me, Snark - boomer guys fought the good fight against feminism.

I was there. Apparently you weren't.

Men of that era had no more say so over "allowing" the feminist "movement" than men of this era have over rape laws, family court injustice, or the For Profit prison industry.

This is like saying men of that era "allowed" Affirmative Action - or "allowed" themselves to be drafted.

Snark said...

@ Boomer Anon,

Your last comment stands in stark contrast to your earlier assertion that only the heroic boomer males could stand up to radical feminism and all subsequent generations of men are a bunch of pussies.

Apology accepted.

Anonymous said...

I've pointed it out before, it was the feminist's movement piggybacking onto the civil rights movement that "allowed" feminism.

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There were a number of factors, including the CIA's covert funding of Ms. Magazine.

Anonymous said...

Believe me, Snark - boomer guys fought the good fight against feminism.

I was there. Apparently you weren't.

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Bull fucking shit. The mess that we're in has as much to do with macho dickheads like you as it does with feminism. Back in the 70's you were scared to death of black crime so you expressed your masculinity by voting for every Dirty Harry talking asshole you can get your fish stick-scented hands on.

You THOUGHT you were asserting masculinity by voting away our rights, including the right to a fair trial -- but what you were really doing was pumping even more electricity into the feminist Frankenstein's monster.

Great job, tough guy!

Snark said...

Pretty much my thoughts too Anon. Feminism was only possible because of the chivalry that already existed (and was practiced) by the 'boomer' generation.

Many of the enablers of feminism have been boomers, but that's not to say chivalry is dead. Far from it, unfortunately, but it seems to persist more among older guys. Young guys are increasingly turning off women altogether (MGTOW) or learning Game. Both approaches are effective counter-attacks against chivalry, which is why they enrage feminists so much.

Anonymous said...

Snark said...
@ Boomer Anon,

Your last comment stands in stark contrast to your earlier assertion that only the heroic boomer males could stand up to radical feminism and all subsequent generations of men are a bunch of pussies.

Apology accepted.

Uh...snark. Wrong "guy". I was speaking as a woman who was there.

It was politics then, as it is now.

Men were no more capable of stopping "feminism" than they were of stopping Affirmative Action or The Draft.

Just as now men are not capable of stopping Family court atrosities, child support enslavement/entrapment,fading job and educational opportunities or The Prison Industrial Complex.

They voted "liberal" Democrat. They voted "tough on crime" Republican. Who was best to guard the henhouse? The wolves or the foxes?

This "generational" bickering and blaming is about as effective as gender bickering and blaming while the manipulators sit back and laugh at us all...

Snark said...

"This "generational" bickering and blaming is about as effective as gender bickering and blaming while the manipulators sit back and laugh at us all..."

Agreed.

And sorry for mistaking you - this is the problem with Anonymous posting (not that I'm suggesting there shouldn't be the option to post anonymously).

Your comment was along the same lines so I assumed it was the boomer guy, but I guess he hasn't been back.

Anonymous said...

I know, Snark - but that's what I like about anonymous posting - I want my comments to be read for their own merit without personal attacks.

I can post three comments, get praised to high heaven for my astue-ness for one, condemned as a "mangina" for another and accused of being an either gender troll for the third - then go back to being "brilliant".

I saw through the manipulation and madness long ago and came out OK in life - but I've been spared no sadness, shame and horror witnessing my peers, relatives and children getting caught up in this madness.