Friday, February 25, 2011

Loons Over Manitoba: Inventing Reasons from Whole Cloth to be Outraged Over the Lenient Sentence of a Rapist

Feminists in Manitoba are staging a gender passion play well in advance of Holy Week in protest of an earnest judge's lenient sentence of a rapist. "Victim blaming!" "Sexist!" "Misogyny!" they shout, as they trip over one another to see who can bray their righteous indignation the loudest -- simply because the judge has the radical belief that “not all guilty people are morally culpable to the same level."

The judge, Queen’s Bench Justice Robert Dewar, found that, in an alcohol-fueled encounter, Kenneth Rhodes "misunderstood signals" from the accuser to mean that she wanted sex, so he proceeded to have intercourse, as it turned out, against her will.  The judge called him a “clumsy Don Juan” and convicted him of rape. Then, the judge sentenced him to a two-year conditional sentence.  The Crown wanted him to serve at least three years behind bars, and the feminist community no doubt wanted lots and lots more than that, and possibly the forcible removal of a matching set of body parts.

The feminists' screeching overreaction to this sentence underscores in vivid, startling terms how completely divorced from common sense they've become when it comes to the subject of rape.

Men and women do not exchange written consent forms before proceeding with intercourse. A woman's secret, undisclosed intentions, whims, and desires have no bearing on the question of whether there was consent. The only thing that matters is her outward manifestations of assent, which may be expressed in an infinite variety of ways, both verbally and non-verbally, and as shown by all the surrounding circumstances.

Most lawyers are acutely aware of how oral and written communications often are subject to differing interpretations. Legion are the lawsuits to determine whether a legally operative contract was formed from a given set of such communications.  When it comes to sex, where communications are typically far less articulate, it is amazing that the parties are typically "on the same page."  Unfortunately, sometimes, they are not, and this is one of those unfortunate cases.

Mr. Rhodes counsel, Derek Coggan, told the court that it’s clear alcohol was a factor for both his client and the accuser in terms of their ability to make good judgments.  He said Rhodes never threatened the woman, didn’t have a weapon and was simply “insensitive to the fact (she) was not a willing participant.”

In handing down the sentence, the judge found that Mr. Rhodes subjectively misinterpreted the accuser's outward manifestations and the surrounding circumstances to mean that she consented to intercourse. The judge seems to have believed that although Mr. Rhodes' interpretation was unreasonable (hence the rape conviction), it was nevertheless sincere and not malicious. 

Let us get one thing straight: I am not a Canadian lawyer, but there is a "reasonableness" component to Canada's rape laws when it comes to consent.  According to section 273.2(b) of Canada's Crimina Code, the accused must show that he took reasonable steps in order to ascertain the complainant's consent. Apparently, Mr. Rhodes did not act reasonably when he had sex with the woman.  It was rape. So why did the judge hand down a lenient sentence? Because the judge determined that Mr. Rhodes stupidly interpreted the woman's behavior to invite sex.  The judge did not condone such misinterpretation; he simply handed down a sentence based on the evidence that was presented to him.

In handing down the sentence, the judge examined the surrounding circumstances.  Mr. Rhodes and a friend met the 26-year-old woman and her girlfriend earlier that night outside of a bar under what the judge called “inviting circumstances.”  The accuser proceeded to engage in flirtatious behavior with Mr. Rhodes. The accuser and her friend made their intentions publicly known "that they wanted to party.” The judge noted the women spoke of going swimming in a nearby lake that night “notwithstanding the fact neither of them had a bathing suit.”  The foursome left the parking lot in a vehicle, headed into the woods where Mr. Rhodes began making sexual advances toward the accuser, who initially rejected him but later returned his kisses. All in all, the accuser gave out signs that “sex was in the air.”

In his most controversial observation, the judge had the audacity to note what the accuser was wearing -- tube tops with no bra, high heels and plenty of makeup.  The feminists are having a conniption over that observation, characterizing it as "victim blaming" -- as if her attire somehow is not and cannot be part of all the surrounding circumstances, and as if the judge based his sentencing decision solely on it.  To these feminists, presumably the only evidence probative of consent would be the accuser's verbal and enthusiastic "yes!" even though that's not the law anywhere. If the woman was wearing a nun's habit, I am quite certain the prosecution would have made much of that, and properly so, even though it is possible that women dressed in nuns' habits are capable of consenting to sex.

But, of course, the judge didn't focus solely on the woman's attire even though that's how the sentencing decision is being spun by some fuming feminists.  It was but one piece in the puzzle the judge was presented with.  He merely sized up the entire encounter as best he could, including the accuser's "perceived invitation" and her flirtatiousness, and concluded it was "a case of misunderstood signals and inconsiderate behaviour.”  The judge said: “I’m sure whatever signals were sent that sex was in the air were unintentional.”

The feminists insist the judge acted improperly in coming to this conclusion. They would, apparently, lump Mr. Rhode's conviction in the same category as the conviction of the guy who gets a woman stupor-drunk to the point that she can't make a rational decision with the goal of raping the excrement out of her. The refusal to make a distinction between those two convictions is, of course, morally appalling. 

The attacks on the judge in this case are breathtaking in their disregard of reason.  For example, the charge of "victim blaming," aside from being a tired cliche, is puerile in this case. The same judge being criticized for "victim blaming" actually convicted the man of rape. In passing sentence, the judge did nothing more than assess whether the man has a black heart, similar to the monster who slips a date rape drug in a woman's drink before having his way with her.  The judge employed something the banshees attacking him seem wholly incapable of employing: nuance and mercy.

Moreover, the assertion that "no woman asks to be raped" is, of course, correct. If she asked to be raped, it would be consensual sex, not rape. The invocation of this vapid mantra does not advance serious discourse; it merely paints the speaker as an idiot.

The feminists unwittingly have done something else here.  By putting pressure on the judge in this case, and by sending a signal to all jurists that men and boys convicted of rape are to be dealt with as harshly as possible regardless of the circumstances, the feminists are only insuring that fewer men and boys will be convicted of rape.  These cases are already difficult enough without insisting that it's "all or nothing" -- in close cases, if the judge's options are limited to sending the man to heaven or to hell with no chance to send him to purgatory instead, the judge will choose heaven.

It is well to note that prominent feminists who are members of what can aptly be called the sexual grievance industry insist that false rape accusers should never be subjected to custodial sentences -- see here and here -- regardless of the harm they cause an innocent man or boy. But when it comes to rape, they insist that every incident is sufficiently malevolent to warrant an extended custodial sentence.  To them, Mr. Rhodes' conviction is no different than the conviction of a brutal stranger rapist or the conviction of the date rape drug aficionado or the conviction for the "rape" committed by the boy who delayed withdrawing for five seconds after his "victim" told him to stop.

To these angry women, retributive justice means that the punishment need not fit the crime, so long as the criminal has a penis and the crime is rape.  By any measure, that is a jurisprudence bordering on pathology.

Sources: http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/02/25/no-woman-asks-to-be-raped-victim-slams-judges-decision/ and
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/02/24/no-jail-for-rapist-because-victim-wanted-to-party/ and http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Rape+victim+slams+judge+decision/4343964/story.html

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

Love it. They are, indeed, banshees, and their justice is nothing but vindictiveness that puts men in danger.

Anonymous said...

". . . it merely paints the speaker as an idiot."

Great line!

Anonymous said...

When ever you have sex with a woman (and often when you don't) you run the risk of being accused of rape by the woman and presumed guilty by these man hating lesbian groups- it's just too risky. Maybe it is time for the government to set up "sex centers" where a couple can check in- sign consent forms that waive any civil/criminal claims.

AfOR said...

basically it's the new sanity test.

Q Does it piss off the wimmins?

A1 Yes - you're doing something right

A2 No - you're doing something wrong

Anonymous said...

But these same feminists support a free pass for women who lie about rape! They're hypocrites.

Arod99k said...

Christine Hubbs (PICTURES): Livermore, Calif. mom pleads no contest to sex with two teen boys

According to a police affidavit, Hubbs made sexual advances on one of the boys when he was 14….
Investigators say they interviewed another boy who said he was also having sex with Hubbs. That boy, who is now 14 years old, told police he had a sexual relationship with Hubbs from December 2009 through July 2010. "The sex occurred in the county of Alameda, throughout different locations, hotels, including her vehicle," Sarsfield said.
Hubbs gave gifts and money to the two boys while maintaining the alleged relationships, Sarsfield said.
Hubbs is facing five years in prison.


Had this been you or me doing this to little girls we would be going to prison for a lot longer than 4 years.

Anonymous said...

Back to the topic, can you imagine trying to run any other system with the same illogic as the legal system is run? For example, traffic lights.

Two kids get drunk and have sex. Later, she claims she didn't want it. So... what happened? WE DON'T KNOW. So of course the system pretends that is DOES know what happened -- the boy was at fault (as usual)!

Okay. Now pretend that the same legal system is driving a big truck in bad conditions. It comes to a stop light. The windshield is blurry and IT DOESN'T KNOW whether or not the light is red.

Wanting the light to be green, it just drives on anyway, and crashes.

Anonymous said...

Or air traffic. If air traffic controllers operated with the same wanton stupidity and arrogance as our legal system operates then half of the planes would crash!

jso said...

Mr. Rhodes counsel, Derek Coggan, told the court that it’s clear alcohol was a factor for both his client and the accuser in terms of their ability to make good judgments. “She had a very different understanding of what was in the accused’s mind than he did,” Mr. Coggan said. He said Rhodes never threatened the woman, didn’t have a weapon and was simply “insensitive to the fact (she) was not a willing participant.”

if I may ask a question that I seriously don't know the answer to

if you are a woman, and you go get drunk at a bar or wherever, and a man you have never met before initiates conversation with you, what do you seriously expect he wants from you? do you really think that maybe he just needs a woman to talk to right at that moment? do you think he just really needs the company of a drunk woman for some specific reason right then? do you really think he gives a shit what you think or say about politics or feminism or whatever?

Anonymous said...

But twelve morons convicted him, anyway. And they would do the same to your son.

Anonymous said...

” The judge said: “I’m sure whatever signals were sent that sex was in the air were unintentional.”

What, or how would this judge FEEL if he were in the shoes of the accused?

It "appears" this judge was victim blaming, seeing the man was the victim of female seduction. Feminists should know all about using seduction as they have used seductive females as their tools to destroy/rape by proxy men and boys.

Anonymous said...

This is why they, and their supporters/enablers say nothing about the "raunch gender community" as Scot puts it.

Anonymous said...

” The judge said: “I’m sure whatever signals were sent that sex was in the air were unintentional.”

Is he really stupid enough to believe that?

Anonymous said...

feminists who talk about street harassment often claim that men need to be sensitive to the fact that women aren't mind readers and as such men shouldn't be so forward with strange women.

however, women don't acknowledge that men also aren't mind readers. if a women is dressed scantily and accompanies a man somewhere private, that women has to know that the guy is going to pursue sex. the guy didn't ask her out to give her an ego boost, he wants to bang.

Anonymous said...

You're assuming that she didn't consent to sex. That isn't necessarily a safe assumption.

Many, many college age girls go out and get drunk and screw as a hobby. I wonder if she even remembers the sex.

Anonymous said...

UK: Mother-of-three jailed for falsely claiming she was abducted and raped after one-night stand
Submitted by anthony on Sat, 2011-02-26 04:00.
Story here. Excerpt:

'A mother-of-three was jailed for falsely claiming she had been abducted and raped because she was worried her husband would find out that she had a one-night stand.

Nicola Osborne, 32, told police she had been bundled in a car by a stranger and taken to a public toilets where she was forcibly raped.

Today the mother, from Portsmouth, Hampshire, was jailed for 18 months after her lie unraveled.'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360603/Mother-Nicola-Osborne-jailed-falsely-claiming-rape-night-stand.html

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16360

Anonymous said...

... in the same category as the conviction of the guy who gets a woman stupor-drunk to the point that she can't make a rational decision ...

Yeah, plenty of guys will do that. You heard it here folks.

Archivist also touched on the monsters who slip girls date rape drugs.

I don't think he meant to admit that these situation happen.

Archivist said...

"I don't think he meant to admit that these situation happen."

Really? Um, you're confusing this with some other blog, little girl. The difference between me and you is that I admit this blog only tells part of the "rape" story. You would insist taht what we report on here day in and day out is a myth.

Man-hating loon.

Archivist said...

2:51: We reported on that story already.

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Anonymous said...

A little off topic, but it explains the mindset.

Look at this clusterfu**.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/27/arizona.senator.incident/?hpt=T2

Chivalrous ass has entitled girlfriend. Supposedly girlfriend was punching him but since he didn't touch her (according to him) there was no "domestic violence".

Clarence

Anonymous said...

You neglected to mention why the guy was Not let off the hook. I mean it's clearly a he said/she said, right? By your standards, he should Not have been convicted.

The other couple tattled?

Archivist said...

"You neglected to mention why the guy was Not let off the hook. I mean it's clearly a he said/she said, right? By your standards, he should Not have been convicted."

I neglected nothing. I explained what the judge seems to have held. You don't understand either the law in this area or my view of it. I happen to agree with the Canadian law that a mistake re: consent has to be reasonable
(an objective standard), otherwise we would invite men to rape based on their subjective delusions (e.g., I thought she was my sock). My view is decidedly less male-friendly than the law in certain jurisdictions, but it's consistent with all manner of other laws, and I believe it is just. In this case, the judge did not accept that the man acted reasonably. It is damn hard for me to question that, given the facts as we know them.

I also respect what the judge concluded regarding the sentence: that even though the man did not act reasonably (an objective standard), he was subjectively sincere in his belief that he had the green light from her. He is not a malicious rapist, just a stupid, backward guy who committed rape. When it comes to sentencing people, the judge is supposed to examine all of that.

Kindly go accuse some other bloggers of being misogynists. We are lightyears removed from all that. Our goal here isn't to help rapists. Our goal is to raise awareness about a problem people like suggest is a myth. (Your comments are helpful because they give me an opportunity to correct some terribly stupid thinking.)

Anonymous said...

... in the same category as the conviction of the guy who gets a woman stupor-drunk to the point that she can't make a rational decision ...

Yeah, plenty of guys will do that. You heard it here folks.

***

The man isn't responsible for how much a floozy chooses (yes, look that word up: *chooses*) to drink. I'm sick and tired of female privilegists coming in here and blaming men for every bad decision a woman makes.

YOU are responsible for what YOU drink. That's what's wrong here: the legal system refuses to hold women to the standard of an adult, and instead treats them like children.

Anonymous said...

You neglected to mention why the guy was Not let off the hook. I mean it's clearly a he said/she said, right? By your standards, he should Not have been convicted.

***

Your point? "Our standard" is "innocent until proven guilty."

Your standard is obviously "just take the bitch's word for it." No good.

Anonymous said...

Why am I surprised that you're skirting the question again. I'll try once more: Did the other couple confirm that the victim said "NO"?

And these quotes are from Archivist; not me:
... in the same category as the conviction of the guy who gets a woman stupor-drunk to the point that she can't make a rational decision ...
AND, he admitted there are monsters who slip girls date rape drugs.

I just confirmed what he said.

Anonymous said...
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Archivist said...

Angry troll obsessed with this blog: read my answer at 12:27 which I just pulled out of the spam folder.

To the "guy"at 3:48: you are an idiot, sir. You come on this blog without realizing that the misinformation you posit has been dealt with on this blog extensively, time and time again. Nice of you to parade your ignorance in front of the community of the wrongly accused (of course you don't have the balls to even give yourself a moniker). We have a lot of men who are hurting over false rape claims and your remarks are vile and insensitive. Nice "guy" you are!

Axel said...

Agree with Archivist at 12:27.

Hell, courts refuse to sentence false rape accusers who've destroyed men's lives to ANY jail time because they didn't mean for their lies to be harmful. What's the difference here?

Anonymous said...

"I happen to agree with the Canadian law that a mistake re: consent has to be reasonable (an objective standard), otherwise we would invite men to rape based on their subjective delusions (e.g., I thought she was my sock). My view is decidedly less male-friendly than the law in certain jurisdictions, but it's consistent with all manner of other laws, and I believe it is just. In this case, the judge did not accept that the man acted reasonably."

I don't know the details of the case, as to why the judge concluded the man acted unreasonably, other than assuming she presented some outward manifestation of non-consent, that he was perhaps too drunk to notice. I agree with your position from a purely ethical standpoint. However, in regards to the law, as to what can be enforced ethically, non-consent not only has to have an objective standard, but also have some minimum standard. Did she struggle? Did she say no? It can't simply be silence or an apparent lack of enthusiasm. If someone is going to claim something as serious as rape, and we are going to take that claim seriously, then that person needs to make a serious effort to express that lack of consent as clearly as possible. I don't think telling the other person that they don't want to have sex is too much to ask.

Although if both of these people were that drunk, then I don't see how either of them could have been credible witnesses. If all of this is based solely on the word of the accuser, without any other evidence, then he shouldn't have been convicted. We've all read plenty of examples on this blog where people claimed rape after consensual sex.


As far as all the hype regarding date rape drugs is concerned, it's largely moral panic. Proven cases of drug rape are extremely rare.

Archivist said...

Enough is enough. We have a malicious troll who doesn't understand that we have many false rape victims who read this blog and for whom this is a home. He insists that only 2 to 8 percent of all rape claims are false, which means to him that the other 92 to 98 percent are actual rapes. We've written about this subject literally a hundred times or more. The part about the 92 to 98 percent -- no study has EVER gone that far.

Truth be told, my take on consent is more liberal than most of America, but the ignorant feminists who read this don't understand what the fuck I'm talking about.

They also don't understand how judges sentence.What this judge did is typical of how most judges -- female judges included -- sentence. I guess they are all rape apologists or rapists.

The trouble with this blog is that it attracts a hell of a lot of angry young feminists who don't know how to read. They should spend a week or two reading through this blog because I promise you they would not know how to argue against it. But, no, they've judged this blog based on its title, and they hate us.

Archivist said...

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/prevalence-of-false-rape-claims.html

For the troll.

Anonymous said...

I just get the feeling most of you are rapists trying to rationalize why you're rapists.

***

And a part of your Jedi training involves acquiring knowledge through your emotions, obviously. No need for actual facts or logic on your part!

This is the perfect example of self-loathing male arrogance and stupidity. No wonder false rape accusations are so common! It's because of arrogant, sophomoric assholes like this guy.

Anonymous said...

By the way, I really don't think that this nifongist a-hole should be allowed to come in here and say, "I have the feeling that you are all rapists." That is disgusting.

It's like walking into a Baptist church in the middle of mass and screaming the n-word at everybody.

Archivist said...

Can't argue with people who are incapable of discussing facts and whose idea of public discourse is screaming "rape apologist!". They know they are right, and are pissed that they can't articulate an intelligent thought in support of that conclusion. A silly, stupid child.

Axel said...

If I might respectfully suggest, the troll should read http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/ which explains all the studies on false rape claims, and the FBI findings, etc.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like him: both men and women who never learned how to reason critically and who place no real value on their most fundamental rights or on the truth.

Our real enemy is ignorance itself.

Anonymous said...

I'm a guy and I find Anonymous Feb 27, 2011 3:48:00 PM ridiculous. False rape allegations are not rare. I have heard it reported at 41% but also around 50% according to independent research, I just get the feeling you are a sexist trying to rationalize why you're sexist.


As far as this case goes, it's not victim blaming by the judge's part. It's just take the woman's word for it. Hmm, how is that rape and not perjury?

Anonymous said...

And accusing us of all being rapists makes no sense. Why would a bunch of rapists care about punishing FALSE rape accusers? They have nothing to gain from that.

And you would think that feminists would want to punish them, too! But apparently they'd rather see everything they claim to stand for tarnished by these liars.

Alleged Troll said...

I have read some comments and have seen the error of calling people rapists based on assumptions and emotion opposed to actual facts. For that I apologize.

Masculist Man said...

I'm a guy and I find this blog ridiculous. False rape allegations are statistically rare. I have heard it reported at 8% but also around 2% according to government stats. I just get the feeling most of you are rapists trying to rationalize why you're rapists.

Way to go,McMoron.

Just wait until you ever get accused and some castration mob comes looking for you then we'll see what your attitude is then.

Real big man hiding behind "anonymous". Big man anonymous the same as little girl anonymous.

Anonymous said...

Hey Alleged Troll,

Tell us more about those false rape stats of yours you got from some 'wiki' site out there. Enlighten us all with your brilliance. And while you're at it, tell us again how we're all just a bunch of rapists here. Moron.

Alleged Troll said...

MasculineMan,

I apologized. What more do you want? And I don't get how I was hiding behind "anonymous." (periods go inside quotations btw)

Anon @ 10:34 if you can't accept my apology and choose to dwell on comments I admit were poorly and immaturely made then I can't help you.

Anonymous said...

At least you did apologize. That much is a step forward.

Anonymous said...

Alleged Troll, periods go outside quoation marks in the UK.

Archivist said...

Angel Troll, you are a worthless piece of shit. All due respect. Can you read? You are so blinded by your man-hatred, you obviously can't. Hint: the key to the case is that subjectively, the guy didn't "get" it. Objectively, it was rape. Big disinction in the law. You worthless piece of shit.

Alleged Troll said...

And another thing if the guy truly didn't get it as you say then he shouldn't have been convicted of a crime. One of the necessary elements of a crime is mens rea i.e."the act does not make a person guilty unless the mind be also guilty"


There have numerous cases of men who have been acquitted of rape due to the fact they truly didn't know they were raping someone.

Alleged Troll said...

And I bet 100 bucks this rapist is white. Given the unequal treatment of minorities (especially male minorities) vs whites in American and Canadian judicial systems if it were a black guy under the very same circumstances the judge wouldn't have been so lenient and sympathetic.