Oliver Bateman, a columnist for the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania college paper The Pitt News, has written a satirical Valentine's Day piece that purported to be a guide to romance for guys. Read it for yourself to see if you agree that there was nothing remotely offensive about it, to anyone. Among other things, Mr. Bateman wrote the following:
"Now that you’ve got her laughing, it’s time to schedule the date. Few meals are as sensual as a big pizza dinner, so take her to one of those local pizzerias and buy a couple of $5 pies. If you’re both over 21 years old, try to find one that either sells beer or lets you drink it — nothing loosens up a girl quite like a case or two of Yuengling Original Black & Tan."
Pretty lighthearted, right? Not so fast. A member of the Campus Women’s Organization named Robin Lane wasn't just offended, she was apoplectic. Don't rely on me, read it for yourself.
Among Lane's various hysterical, overblown-to-the-point-of-dishonest indictments of this innocuous bit of fluff is the following breathtaking apotheosis:
"We can only imagine what Bateman means by suggesting that men buy women lots of beer to 'loosen [them] up.' Between 25 percent and 50 percent of female college students experience sexual assault, and 50 percent of these assaults involve alcohol consumption, according to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse. Forget 'seducing the sweetie,' why not just call the article 'date rape for the modern Joe'?"
Lane asserts that Mr. Bateman's column is "extremely offensive and harmful to our community. Sexist humor promotes discrimination, hostility and rape."
Lane's opinion is so preposterous that it is unworthy of any serious rebuttal, but it is well to highlight two aspects of it, if only for comic relief on a cold Saturday afternoon in January.
First: The most obvious inanity: that up to 50 percent of female college students experience sexual assault. This, of course, would make our college campuses more dangerous places than the Tadmor Prison in Syria, where the bloodthirsty guards butcher inmates with axes for the fun of it.
We have repeatedly disposed of similar assertions on this blog and won't repeat ourselves in this post. Among many other writers, Heather MacDonald ably demonstrated the absurdity of the sexual grievance industry's claim that one-in-four college women will be raped or the targets of attempted rape: "If the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to 'one-in-five to one-in-four'—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions. No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years. The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent. The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience. Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely. The nation’s nearly 10 million female undergrads would need to take the most stringent safety precautions. Certainly, they would have to alter their sexual behavior radically to avoid falling prey to the rape epidemic."
Second: Robin Lane's attempt to tie Mr. Bateman's harmless discussion about beer on a date to date rape -- a leap that is not supported by any logic taught at the University of Pittsburgh -- does nothing more than play into the worst man-hating stereotypes about feminists. Unfortunately, and ironically, it also manages to trivialize the very thing she is supposedly advocating against, rape. Sadly, I doubt that many feminists will take Robin Lane to task for her histrionics. They should, because it is opinions such as Robin Lane's that engender disrepute of her movement and that preclude any hope of productive dialogue with people like her.
Today, a Pitt alumni named Erik Hinton utterly destroyed Robin Lane's letter with a logic and an eloquence that deserves to be repeated here:
Oliver Bateman’s Valentine’s Day piece: What began as an allegation of bad taste has become — according to one student’s Facebook wall — a campaign to “twist the knife” to ruin Bateman’s career. This furor is about a column that allegedly encourages sexual assault. How so? Bateman caricatures college dating life: wooing a girl with a pizza, two cases of beer, a goatee and a scalp massage. No sex occurs, no sex is intimated, no sex is advised. “Date rape” is an absurd conclusion.
You see, this is how real damage happens. These are the social and rhetorical strategies that marginalize, that shut people up: equivocation, name-calling, vicious backchannels. When “let’s start a conversation” becomes “let’s distort and destroy,” possible progress ends. Dialogue stops. Witch hunts begin. And no, these people are not radical outliers. Though Campus Women’s Organization has stepped back and is encouraging allies not to personally insult Oliver, its original letter was an ad hominem attack: “We wonder if Bateman has taken the time to get to know any women as individuals.”
What’s worse, these straw-men battles undercut legitimate causes. Advocacy groups stop looking forward and content themselves with ritualistic passion plays. Finding big targets on which to pin “sexist” or “oppressor” is a tired tradition. The most recent CWO publication on the matter is a lengthy, patronizing essay on how “real” progressives admit their wrongs. No one is talking about issues, just the social theater surrounding them. We need true dialogue, debate, education. Not grandstanding and moralizing.
Erik Hinton
School of Arts & Sciences Alumnus
Former Pitt News Managing Editor
Saturday, January 29, 2011
College Writer Attacked By Women's Advocate For Lighthearted Piece That Noted Beer Loosens Women Up
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Great letter by Mr. Hinton.
One feminist has already tackled this topic:
http://www.twodaymag.com/live/view/satire-and-sex...a-dangerous-combination
There was NOTHING in this satire that is offensive to a fair-minded person. If Robin Lane is typical of feminists, then feminists are nothing short if idiots.
my FRA has accused at least 7 other men of raping her in the past.
at one point, so frustrated with everything was I, that I made the offhand and sarcastic comment "you'd think she'd be getting used to it by now."
you could have heard a fucking pin drop 100 miles away....
AFTERWARDS, 2 of the three people in the room, 1 male, 1 female, but not the rabid female rape squad cop, came up to me and said "I know what you mean" to which I replied it is all very well saying that now, off the record, when the tape is no longer rolling, it doesn't mean shit.
calling these batshit crazy bitches batshit crazy is worse than drawing porno cartoons of the Prophet.
"The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience."
Actually I have a new policy, telling everyone who will listen, especially feminists on websites and boards, that in my opinion rape is basically just assault, and should be dealt with just like any other assault or mugging.
Former Jackson stripper and her father bound over for trial in sex extortion case
Published: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 4:01 PM Updated: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 7:51 PM
By Brad Flory | Jackson Citizen Patriot
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A former Jackson stripper and her father were ordered Thursday to stand trial for allegedly pressuring a "lap dance" customer to pay $2,500 after a sexual encounter in a motel.
Jennifer Allan, 24, and her father, David Allan, 50, were bound over for trial on extortion charges after a preliminary examination in Jackson County District Court.
Judge Joseph Filip added charges of conspiracy to commit extortion after testimony from four witnesses.
"Clearly it's a conspiracy with each other," Filip said.
The defendants are accused of collecting $2,500 in three installments from Theodore Bachakes, 25, of Dexter after he was threatened with a false accusation of rape.
Katie Rausch | Jackson Citizen PatriotDavid Lee Allan
Bachakes testified that he was "a regular patron" of Dr. Don's Famous Door, a downtown Jackson strip club. He met Jennifer Allan, a dancer, at the club last summer and often paid her $20 for "lap dances."
On Dec. 17, he testified, they met at Motel 6 and had sex. Afterward, he said, she threatened to accuse him of rape unless he gave her $500. He paid the money that same day.
Later a man identified by police as David Allan called Bachakes and convinced him to pay $1,500 more. A third payment of $500 was made after another contact with David Allan.
When David Allan asked for another $2,500, Bachakes filed a police report.
Detective Sgt. Christopher Boulter of the Blackman Township Department of Public Safety contacted Jennifer Allan. First she said Bachakes raped her, Boulter testified, but she quickly recanted and said the sex was consensual.
"She said she was upset with Mr. Buchakes because he had not paid for some lap dances," Boulter testified.
Filip suspected the reason she was upset was because he did not pay her for sex.
"Mr. Bachakes certainly should have known what to expect there," the judge said.
David Allan told police he knew his daughter was "scamming" Bachakes, but he described himself as nothing more than a middle man.
The father said "he told Jennifer on several occasions to stop pushing this, because it's going to come back to bite you," Boulter testified.
Robert Gaecke, attorney for David Allan, contends his client cannot be guilty of extortion because he never threatened Bachakes with a rape charge or anything else.
"He may have known what was going on, but he never made a threat," Gaecke said.
George Lyons, attorney for Jennifer Allan, contends she asked for Bachakes for money she felt was owed and then never asked a second time. Her father, Lyons contended, exploited the situation to keep squeezing money from Bachakes.
Prosecutors requested and Filip granted the addition of a prostitution charge against Jennifer Allan. Because of that charge, she will undergo court-ordered testing for sexually transmitted diseases
Adriana Massi's letter on the same page is almost as bad as Robin's. She suggests that "waiting for someone to imbibe before propositioning them" is rape.
It's not. Not in Pennsylvania, or anywhere else, except maybe in some stardust feminist wishfulness that wants to engorge the definition of rape to include garden variety sex.
These people need to understand that when they make things up from whole cloth, their advocacy actually hurts their mission, and they'd do rape victims a big favor by shutting the hell up.
"Bateman caricatures college dating life: wooing a girl with a pizza, two cases of beer, a goatee and a scalp massage. No sex occurs, no sex is intimated, no sex is advised. “Date rape” is an absurd conclusion.
Absurd, yes, because he writes satire on college dating, which is not [in itself] rape. I'm afraid the fems have gone overboard on this one -- they need to pick their battles more carefully.
Romantic movies come to mind. You always see a bottle of wine to enhance romance. What is so awful about a college guy wooing a girl with beer and pizza? Hey, maybe the relationship is at the stage where she "wants" to be wooed.
Nope I've got to agree with the FRS on this. The only thing that would change my opinion is if the guy is determined beforehand to have sex, regardless. To me, that's rape.
"Nope I've got to agree with the FRS on this. The only thing that would change my opinion is if the guy is determined beforehand to have sex, regardless. To me, that's rape."
No.
It isn't.
Sex without a genuine belief in consent is rape.
Nothing else is.
AfOR, would you please write to me? I want to see if you can help us with something. Thanks.
From the article anon linked:
"I completely understand Robin Lane’s reaction to this piece. As a fellow woman, feminist, and campaigner for equal rights, I can easily put myself in her shoes and see how angry she must be. "
Oh, for fuck sake, just what "equal rights" do you NOT have in 2011? Who, or what, do you want to be equal to? And is this the worst thing you can find to get your panties in a wad about? "Waaah! he hurt my little cunt feeeeelings!" It is going to be SO HILARIOUSE when the economy totally collapses and roving "Rape Gangs" Made up of muslim and Indian males give her something to cry about. Imagine her college-newspaper rants then!
Stock up on ammo, boys, and watch the show.
Bravo to Mr. Hinton!
I am unable to understand how these feminists are able to take the suggestion that men ought to "loosen a girl up one or two cases of beer" seriously. Is that not obviously a joke? This is pathetic: I truly feel sorry for them if they cannot laugh at a joke.
OT- Shoutout to our Egyptian brothers who are protesting for freedom in the streets of Cairo! It takes a lot of balls to do what you're doing.
Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, the police are German and the comedy critics are feminists
Guys check this out:
Someone submitted a Freedom Of Information Request to Bedfordshire police about false rape allegations.
http://www.bedfordshire.police.uk/access_info/foi/disclosure_log/2010/january_10/Response%20Letter%202009-00865.pdf
AFOR, I understand what you're saying, but can you prove "genuine belief in consent" any more than you can prove "deliberate intent"?
It sounds to me as though you are saying it's okay to have deliberate intent as long as you do it legally.
I wonder if there will ever be a way to solve the issues of he said/she said.
"AFOR, I understand what you're saying, but can you prove "genuine belief in consent" any more than you can prove "deliberate intent"?
It sounds to me as though you are saying it's okay to have deliberate intent as long as you do it legally."
Deliberate Intent:
"I want to have sex with you"
"Ok"
*humphumpthrust*
Rape:
"I want to have sex with you"
"No"
*humphumpthrust*
Deliberate Intent [not rape]:
I want to have sex with you.
OK.
*humphumpthrust*
Hey you almost got it ... try this:
Premeditated Rape:
I am GOING to have sex with her after I load her up with beer no matter what.
See the difference?
Jan 31, 2011 11:03:00 AM
There is no difference. The "no matter what" is rape regardless whether or not she is drinking. If she says "no" then it's rape. If she doesn't say "no" then it isn't rape. Drinking or not is no excuse for either of them.
If "no" means no, then no means "no".
We're dealing with 2 different issues that sometimes clash (law and morality).
Legally, the "no matter what" cannot be proved. Neither can the "deliberate intent". And certainly, her "NO" doesn't matter, if he claims it was consent.
That's why it is practically impossible to prove the above points in a he-said-she-said case without additional evidence. Am I getting thru to you at all?
Whatever he intended has no bearing on whether she manifested consent.
Neither "he" or "she" can prove or disprove consent without additional evidence, and men will always use that defense. IMO, your explanation is useless, and shows why so much controversy exists.
There is no controversy.
No is no and yes is yes.
If she gives consent, then it's consensual sex. If she doesn't consent, then it's rape!
In the matter of beer, so long as he isn't holding her down and forcing her to drink, it isn't rape!
If she drinks of her own volition, and says 'yes' to sex, it is not rape. And that is what the above article is talking about!
If she gives consent, then it's consensual sex. If she doesn't consent, then it's rape!
does not address the point made by the 3:47.
3:47 said "Neither 'he' or 'she' can prove or disprove consent without additional evidence, and men will always use that defense."
He has no legal duty to "prove" consent, so "men" will NEVER "use that as a defense." Your point is obscure as your intention in commenting here. Go troll somewhere else, please
I started out here in support of Bateman's whimsical fluff, stating my opinion that the fems had gone overboard.
That wasn't good enough for you. Seems you like to kick people in the gutter, pour gasoline over them, and light a match.
But Alas! Your article about the "sportswriter" clearly echoes everything I've stated on this thread.
Conversation over.
"Seems you like to kick people in the gutter, pour gasoline over them, and light a match."
I'm missing something here. You will need to be a hell of a lot clearer before I have the first clue what you're talking about.
I know how I'm going to prove consent from now on.Smile baby, your ass is on candid camera.
Can't trust women to use the rape card only in cases where it's legitimate rape,you're all going to be videotaped doing all that nasty stuff you'd prefer your future husbands to believe you don't do.
Cause I damn sure ain't putting my ass on the line to protect your "honor", you have none.
Happy now?
Welcome to the bed you've made, won't you lie down?
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