Which gender did Jack the Ripper target? Everyone knows that.
But what about the Unabomber, Theodore Kaczynski? Pretty notorious case, that one. But in all the news coverage about the Unabomber's reign of terror, you probably never heard that aside from Kaczynski's effort to blow up an airplane because he thought it would be populated by businessmen (an act that even he later regretted), his targets were exclusively male, although some women did get caught in the crossfire. In his "manifesto," in which he advocated a revolution against the industrial system, he decried the "craziness" of leftism and tied it to political correctness: "Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual white males from middle- to upper-middle-class families." It is little wonder he went after members of his own gender.
Have you heard about the Brazilian teenage girl who, in 2009, claimed to have murdered thirty men? She decided to confess before turning 18 so she could be tried as a minor. She claimed she targeted men in Sao Paulo for reasons that varied from “money, revenge and to bring justice.” She appears to be the world’s most prolific teenage serial killer. See here and here. Generally, if a teenage girl is the world's most prolific anything, the story is plastered all over the newspaper. That one seems to have gone unnoticed.
Ah, you say, but the vast majority of serial killers are male, and when they target one gender for their victims, it is typically female. Correct. But doesn't that make it all the more newsworthy that the Unabomber's victims were male, and that a girl confessed to killing 30 men? (And by the way, how many of these have you heard of?)
You seriously don't think the news coverage is different depending on the gender of the victims? Here's an article that contrasts two similar killing sprees in one city, except the genders of the victims were different. The difference in the reactions was predictable. http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/radicalmiddle/archive/2009/08/31/men-are-from-wilkinsburg-women-are-from-collier.aspx
When men die in accidents, or are killed in an attack, their gender is typically ignored in the ensuing news coverage. When women are killed, their gender is trumpeted in the headline.
It is beyond dispute that innocent men are more vulnerable to the criminals than innocent women. Check out a source feminists could not dispute, J. Friedman, J. Valenti, Yes Means Yes: Visions of Female Sexual Power and A World Without Rape (2008) at 23: "Men are 150 percent more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than women are. . . . . Men are more likely to be victimized by a stranger (63 percent of violent victimizations) . . . ."
One of the great conundrums we face in doing this blog is the almost religious-like resistance we get from the persons who dominate the public discourse about rape when we dare even suggest that men, as a class, can be victims. I am sorry, but I do not pretend to have an answer to the question I posed in the title of this post. Many of our readers are better versed in these macro-gender issues than I am, and I will defer to them. Whatever the answer, I see this as the single greatest stumbling block we face.
Monday, January 10, 2011
Why do we refuse to acknowledge that men, as a class, can be victims?
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A common theme for sites like this. It really gets to the heart of the entire problem.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345676/Mother-2-flew-America-sex-boy-13-met-playing-X-Box-arrested.html
To answer your question, yes, cognitively, people can acknowledge men as victims. No one would deny that the persons -- who were murdered -- in your examples were both victims and male.
However, there are two problems with male victims. Firstly, they are not psychologically appealing. Unlike female victims, thinking of male victims makes neither men nor women feel better about themselves.
Secondly, male victim-hood does not fit the political narrative of either Liberals or Conservatives. And it most certainly does not fit the political narrative of feminists.
However, imho, the problem with false rape accusations isn't that most of the victims are male. That is true of most crimes. The problem with false rape accusations is almost all the perpetrators are female. (Yes, that's true of prostitution as well, but you might have noticed even where prostitution is strictly illegal, it's barely enforced.)
2:13: Whoever you are, that was beautifully stated.
"Which gender did Jack the Ripper target?"
heh, talked of the same at spearhead. Which gender does a Ripper get?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/15/was-jack-the-ripper-a-wom_n_158143.html
What's funny is that pepole repeat the same "women aren't serial murderers" or "don't operate with that methodology" and then others prove them wrong with examples
And I don't have the article, but it was about Jack the Ripper's consequences on the general populace. Apparently it was used by women as to play the victim card. :)
(and was jack the ripper the first time sexual motives were associated with murder? i.e. the profile of a misogynistic sadistic man out there to kill women.
I remember reading a paper on this, sadly I don't have a clearer recollection.)
Also "most of the serial killers are men", should be the "most of the serial killers caught are men". Even if we don't use 98% rapes go unreported, atleast a bogus statistic of at least half the female serial killers go unchecked will do wonders.
Maybe we will read of the teenage female serial killer when a movie made on her life goes on to win the oscar, eh?
2:13 is probably on the right track.
This post has some similar points: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/thursday-on-mens-rights.html
Basically, nobody gains from giving men sympathy. Not women and certainly not other men.
In general, the only kind of respect men get is the kind men take.
@namae nanka:
There is the theory that Jack the Ripper was actually a woman healous of her husband cheating on her with a prostitute.
Jack the Ripper was simply an alias used for the serial killer - they never found out who it was - so yes, Jack the Ripper might have in fact been a woman.
These false accusations destroy people's lives. I have seen it happen first hand.
Two years ago, I started closing my blinds at night, and leaving a light on. That's because I kept hearing about all the evil in the world perpetrated by men, not women. Before you correct me, I already know that women can be deadly. It just so happens that men have a monopoly on evil when it comes to killing and raping women.
scarecrow
No one thinks of stereotype effect in serial killer investigation:
From a commenter on that article:
Women are rarely considered suspects in multiple murders. Take Genene Jones who posed as a nurse in a children's hospital. She would go on to asphyxiate nearly 40 children before she was finally considered by investigators.
Then there was the multiple murders at a Maryland Hospital between 1984-1985. The killer injected potassium into the iv tubes of 17 intensive care patients, killing them instantly. When the police focused on a female suspect, the DA's office simply refused to believe that a woman would have been guilty of such crimes and set her free.
And from the first lady's wiki article:
"....she was sentenced to a concurrent term of 60 years in prison for nearly killing Rolando Jones with heparin. However, she will serve only one-third of her sentence because of a law in place at the time to deal with prison overcrowding. Jones will receive automatic parole in 2017..."
heh, prison overcrowding with women, who'd have thought?
"Two years ago, I started closing my blinds at night, and leaving a light on. "
Two years ago, I started sleeping with my door open because I live in an earthquake prone zone and you keep getting periodic shake-ups a few months and news of earthquakes killing hundreds in some part of the world.
At one point you have to leave the fear behind. Though being prepared always helps.
"It just so happens that men have a monopoly on evil when it comes to killing and raping women."
google lesbian rape then my dear friend. And men don't have a monopoly when it comes to the evil of abortion.
"It just so happens that men have a monopoly on evil when it comes to killing and raping women."
This is False Rape Society, not Feministing.com.
Would you negatively stereotype any other class in this manner? Blacks? Jews? Muslims? My guess is, you're too politically correct to do that. The fact is, I am male, and I am as innocent as the most innocent woman, as are the vast majorty of men. So go take your misandry, and your simple-mindedness, and shove 'em up yer ass.
What a fucking pig she is.
It's funny, some people are just so offended that you guys focus on a terrible crime where women hava a near monopoly as perpetrators. It's kind of sad that you interfere with their fantasies of being the virtuous sex.
Well said Archivist.
Unreasoning fear does not
excuse an entire gender from accountability.
She is a troll of the lowest order.
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http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/iconic-ww-ii-poster-that-became-fitting.html#comments
Snark, AfOR, Namae Nanka, and anyone else who is interested, REALLY need to read it. It's by an "Ernest" feminist. Please feel free to respond.
"It just so happens that men have a monopoly on evil when it comes to killing and raping women."
It just so happens that men have a monopoly on:
-developing technology and medicine that saves women's lives
-rescuing, protecting and providing for women
-building the cities that keep women comfortable
-building and maintaining the power stations and electricity networks that keep women warm and safe
-superior sporting, intellectual, physical and risk-taking abilities that benefit women disproportionately
This list could go on.
But the big question is this:
How many of the above attributes and qualities are you prepared to credit to all men, or do you only praise those men who specifically possess those qualities? Can you do even that?
And is there any chance that you might actually challenge men's monopoly on all these positive traits? If so, why would you do that?
Can you begin to see why most men find your argument to be nothing more than self-serving propaganda?
"Snark, AfOR, Namae Nanka, and anyone else who is interested, REALLY need to read it. It's by an "Ernest" feminist. Please feel free to respond."
Done
Currently fighting the good fight over at a dating site.... lol
It just so happens that men have a monopoly on evil when it comes to killing and raping women.
Just as women have a monopoly when it comes to the abuse and killing of children. Women also happen to be a third of all child rapists by the way.
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Jill the Ripper
Was Jack the Ripper a woman?
It's quite possible the "ripper" was a midwife/abotionist. Prostitutes would have been common clients. It may be that murders were actually abortions gone wrong and scenes of brutal murder were staged by the "ripper" to cover the actual cause of death.
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There is a challenge that should be given to feminists and all others who claim to be standard bearers for gender equality.
The proof of their devotion to their stated principles lies not in what they do for women. It actually lies in their capacity to act with the same compassion for men as they so readily do for women.
This is their event horizon. Their real test. For it is only beyond that horizon that their ideals can truly be realised.
If American law enforcement were forced to find the truth; tell the truth; and nothing but the truth..then the "hysteria women" would not be able to come here and post inflamatory agitation propaganda like she just did.
99% of the time when a pregnant women gets knocked down, and her baby cut from her belly...its another women. Should we start warning all pregnant women to be cautious around other women??
John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dalmer, the Atlanta Child murderers went largely unreported and unnoticed until hordes of bodies turned up because the victims were...male.
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