I came across this when I was gathering information for this post. This is an excerpt from a book that's more than twenty years old now, but things like this still go on. We'll be writing more about it. The book is called "Overexposed: Treating Sexual Perversions in America" by Sylvere Lotringer. This excerpt is a personal account by a teenager who was convicted of a sex offense. At age 17 he was arrested for having sex with a 15 year old. This is something out of "Clockwork Orange," only scarier.
They gave me a five-year probation and I had to promise that I would go back and forth from Dayton to this clinic in Chicago...They make it look like it’s voluntary, but half the people go to the clinic only because they sign a piece of paper. Have you been to the clinic? There’s this guard at the door. You’re not allowed to go in by yourself. You’ve got to wait downstairs so you don’t get to the other floors and rape the personnel-that’s why. You go every two weeks, and every time then probation officer knows you’ve been there. If you don’t go, you’re in trouble. They’d put you back in jail.
At the clinic they give you all these tests to fill out about what was wrong with you and how you feel about your problems. Of course I had to go along with it, all the quizzes and things to screen you, like, “I’m feeling a little girl’s underpants,” and how it arouses you, from 1 to 10. It didn’t arouse me, but I did it anyway. How are you going to be truthful if they’re going to lock you back up?
…After that they give you this test where they connect this thing called a “penile transducer” and they let you watch this slide show. If you get an erection, it’ll come out on the computer. They let you see these slides of adults, children, and a whole bunch of other things…it’s frustrating because it gets you horny and it stays in your mind. They’ll have you do stuff like counting backwards from a hundred in threes to get whatever it is off your mind. It can take ten minutes sometimes. So it’s very aggravating to sit there in the dark doing this counting over and over again dealing with getting erections…
A year later they put me on Depo-Provera. According to the tests, I needed it. This drug would stop you from getting an erection to anything…They said, “you can stop whenever you want.” So I stopped, and they threatened to stop seeing me because I hadn’t asked ahead of time. And if they had stopped seeing me, then the court would have said, “well, we gave him a chance and now he can go back to jail.” So in order for me to pass the test, I would have to not be aroused at all. Then they gave me the test to make sure I was taking it. So I had to cheat the test…The only thing they work with is your penis…Now if you close your eyes or pinch yourself when you peak, to stop an erection from coming, they wouldn’t know. They figure I’m on the drug and that’s why I don’t have an erection…
The doctor wouldn’t let me quit. I was taking 100 milligrams a day for about two weeks. I had less sex drive, but I was getting sick. So I just stopped. I went over to the clinic and told the doctor what I did, and he had a heart attack. He told me that I was the doctor, then, so I shouldn’t even come and see him because I didn’t listen to him. He said that if I did it one more time, he’d take me off the course…And you know what taking me off would mean once the judge found out. So I stopped taking the drug, but I kept filling out these forms asking, “how many times did you get an erection today?” I just wrote, “low.” I’d lie along to make it look like I was taking the drug…
After the social-skill group, they start you out with what is called “masturbatory satiation” sessions. They give you an hour-long cassette and you’re supposed to masturbate out loud for an hour, in your own home, in private. The doctor talks it over with you first. I did it. I took the tape home. It gets boring, like they say…
So I did it, but I felt exactly the same. I didn’t see any change at all. A lot of people came in and said it changed their ways, but they were all liars. They even told me on the side just to stop doing them.
I started with the masturbation, but after a few sessions I just talked into the tape recorder for an hour. Because it didn’t do me any good…I still got off on the same stuff. I knew inside my head what turned me on. Everybody was telling me to cheat. Talk into the tape recorder and don’t masturbate. So that’s what I did…Everyone does it.
After ten weeks, they give you the test again. That’s when people cheated. It’s like a fight with the computer. Every little movement and it goes on and off. Some people close their eyes or stick a tack in their shoes and press on it to pinch their toes and stop the erection from coming...You see, once I’m through going there, I’ll be another “success” for them…
Most people say they’ve been treated just to get out of here, but others will be honest. They get put in a group with this other doctor. That’s when the drug comes into the picture…He’ll talk you into the drug, into increasing the dosage more and more, like he did to me. The way he put it, you couldn’t say no. There’s no research data to support whether the drug does damage or not…
Then the drug started. The side effects were cold spells, sweating. They gave me two more drugs to stop those. I felt worse than before, so I threw them all out. I could never reach him. I just kept getting the message machine. Anyway I started pretending I was taking the drug. They would try to catch me off guard by making me take the test. I’d cheat and fake it and pass it.
There are a lot of people who aren’t open at the clinic. The ones who aren’t open are the worst, because they get depressed. They think there’s something wrong with them. So they would go through the whole thing, thinking they could get help from it...I had the same thing happen to me. You feel so bad, you start thinking of suicide…I tried to kill myself in jail. The pants I used to hang myself ripped.
Friday, January 21, 2011
Sickening: How a 17-year-old 'sex offender' (he had sex with a 15 year-old) was 'cured' of his 'deviancy'
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Cured of his "heterosexuality".
This is of course what I would call "two kids having sex".
If I had kids of my own, I'd encourage them to wait until their late teens (post high-school) - and think carefully before giving into their desires - but still, this is just a ridiculous case - and what I would call nothing short of a "crime against humanity".
The reason there is no outcry about this stuff is that "it's just sex offenders, so who cares what they do to them!"
For starters, I agree with ScareCrow. On top of that, there are more than a few innocent men and boys who've been subjected to these Dr. Frankenstein techniques that place things around their penises and force them to masturbate under threat of jail.
If these sorts of things were as widely done to women, there'd be more protests than we could count, and it would immediately stop everywhere. Because it's just males, it's permitted to go on without a peep.
"Oakland 2nd Graders Reportedly Engage In Sex Acts, Teacher Suspended...
In one case, several students apparently took off their clothes and were naked in the classroom. In the second incident, a boy and girl reportedly engaged in oral sex in front of their classmates.
Flint indicated that the suspended teacher, whose name was not released by the school district, was present for both of the incidents."
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/01/21/oakland-2nd-graders-reportedly-engage-in-sex-acts-teacher-suspended/
I fail to understand why this blog is so protective of sex offenders. Seems you would loathe them as much as the rest of our society loathes them.
I fail to understand why this blog is so protective of sex offenders.
A 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old isn't a sex offender. Demanding a boy/man not get an erection when shown sexual material, when everybody knows that erections are not under conscious control, is sick, degrading, and disgusting.
Right, Randian. Even our legislatures have slowly gotten the message that, gee, teens have sex, and, gee, usually the teen guy is a bit older than the teen girl. So maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't treat him like Jeffrey Dahmer.
But I wonder, has our critic even READ this blog? Then she/he would know that a hell of a lot of "sex offenders" turn out to have been wrongly convicted. Doesn't matter to her? I figured it wouldn't.
In any event,these awful punitive measures -- and please don't tell me they are rehabilitative -- are designed to send a message that male sexuality is borderline evil, and a penis is more dangerous than a loaded pistol. After all, a robber who beats up a convenience store clerk and scares him with a gun isn't forced to masturbate for the amusement of some state bureaucrat.
a 17 year old and a 15 year old having sex is not a crime accept in the eyes of gender-raunch perverts.
I think abc news should be shut down by the FCC. Abc has irresponsibly published way too many faulty and inflammatory articles to be considered a news source anymore.
In other news: Keith Olbermann "leaves" his job at MSNBC: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-addresses-keith-olbermanns-msnbc-departure-on-real-time/
Why? Quite possibly because he committed the ultimate pc sin: he criticized the rape charges against Julian Assange! That's my guess, anyhow.
It's funny, I just watched A Clockwork Orange today. Didn't know that it was real.
Anonymous said...
I fail to understand why this blog is so protective of sex offenders. Seems you would loathe them as much as the rest of our society loathes them.
Jan 21, 2011 9:24:00 PM
Because - stupid - a LOT of "sex offenders" are victims of FRAs.
THAT'S why.
Aversion therapy and "sexually deviant" youthAversion therapy is still sometimes forced on children and teenagers who violate sex laws, and especially on individuals believed to have deviant sexual feelings. These youths have been forced to smell ammonia, describe humiliating scenarios, or engage in other uncomfortable acts, while looking at nude pictures, listening to audio tapes describing sexual situations, or describing their own fantasies. In order to measure sexual response, devices such as penile plethysmographs and vaginal photoplethysmographs are sometimes used, despite the controversies surrounding them.
In 1992, the Arizona Civil Liberties Union challenged the Phoenix Memorial Hospital for its use of these methods on children as young as 10. They were defended by the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers. Since then, policies have usually discouraged the use of forced aversion therapy on children under 14.[11][12]
There is one call the Abel Screening, where they show the kid pictures, and judge deviancy by how long their gaze lingers on a particular picture.
If, for instance, they show a 14 year old boy a picture of a woman bound to a chair by ropes, he is pronounced "sadistic toward women" if he looks at that picture too long.
VEYR VERY "scientific".
"I fail to understand why this blog is so protective of sex offenders. Seems you would loathe them as much as the rest of our society loathes them."
What an excellent idea! Maybe we should all just take out our brains, and instead learn to just recite the inane, populist, slogan-chanting. Life is so much easier if you don't have to think about anything, just assume everyone gets what they deserve, and don't have to suffer cancer-inducing rage over every abuse that takes place.
BTW: is it cheaper if I buy the kool-aid by the carton?
Precisely - "If everyone is jumping off a bridge, does it mean YOU will too?"
C'mon. EVERYbody's doing it!
The same suspension of Constitutional, due process, civil, legal and human rights that are applied to anyone deemed a sex offender (actual guilt optional) is trickling UPward to affect ALL males.
The "who cares? It's only a sex offender" is spreading to "Who cares? It's only a male".
Precisely - "If everyone is jumping off a bridge, does it mean YOU will too?"
Milhouse jumped off a bridge? I'm there!
Is it just me, or do others think that despite the horror of this post (and the other), things like this happening could shut down that entire operation?
I mean, once it gets out that the government(s) of the two most "free" countries in the world are basically raping our kids (12-17, males, anyway, not that many people care about boys but this might be too much for even them)... things might not go as planned for them anymore.
One can only hope. Doubtful, but one can only hope.
Be right back, gonna adjust the tin foil hat.
chris, you sound like a gender-raunch male who wants to normalize adult males having sex with little boys.
Christopher, don't know if you are putting us as a "test," but rest assured, I am one of these people who is convinced our kids need to be protected. I am not an expert, but I have seen studies that do not appear to have a political slant demonstrating that sex by teens of either gender with adults is harmful to the kids.
Beyond that, society has ordained that kids below a certain age can't vote, drink, enter into non-voidable contracts, marry, fight in wars, purchase tobacco or lottery tickets, have certain medical procedures performed (aside from abortion), among many other things, and for good reason. Kids do not have good judgment. Kids can be manipulated. It is for good reason that we say kids are incapable of giving valid, legally operative consent to a sexual relationship with an adult.
Maybe Pierce, but these days, like you have shown in these articles, kids are being treated like adults when it comes into being made into a criminal.
If 12-year old kids can get that penis tester thing used on them and 14 year olds can get labeled sex offenders for life, I fail to see how the government is anything but hypocritical.
Of course, I know the answer, and I agree with you on protecting kids, but we need to call out the hypocrisy wherever we can.
I agree, zarko. Good points.
I agree, zarko. Good points.
very good point Zarko.
I see NAMBLA is now monitoring FRS. We are known by the enemies we make.
Christopher said...
This espouses why I totally turn against the fallacy of 'sexual abuse'.... well, that and the fact that I had sex with adults as a child and liked it!
So you say. I'm betting you're a liar.
This whole BS about child pornography and sex between children and adults being 'harmful' leaves out that it is only 'harmful' if you have been brainwashed into thinking that we are not supposed to be having sex from birth,
Then maybe you could explain why those having the experience are massively over-represented in all negative demographic indicators.
even though we are BORN WITH GENITALIA.... fully functional outside of reproduction as well.
"fully functional outside of"?
That would be the fastest self contradiction I've ever seen. Make your mind up - are they fully functional or not?
Add to the equation that human brain chemistry continues it's development into the early twenties. The average twenty year old male is generally nowhere near being adult physically, intellectually or emotionally.
I can understand them wanting to protect children from FORCED sexual encounters, but the fact is that 99% of encounters between adults and children ARE NOT FORCED!
Irrelevant. Children are easily led as I'd bet you are well aware. Consent does not lessen the potential distortions in development and may in fact be a source of subsequent difficulties for the child involved.
They are totally consensual encounters which some people have problems with because they think that someone is 'sullying their little baby'.... sorry, lazy.... she was already sullied years ago most likely by someone her own age fondling her!
The impact of my being "sullied" as a seven year old was not dealt with, nor even discussed, until my doctor sent me for help about a decade ago. Nobody had ever bothered to try to convince me that it was harmful. Nothing anywhere in the ether ever alerted me that I had been "sullied" and therefore needed help. Yet the harm was there nonetheless.
The women of gender-raunch want all the state and federal pork.
The men of gender-raunch want to resexualise little boys.
the status of 'sex offender' is a Trojan Horse to bring in restrictive laws that will radiate out.These are Jim Crow type laws. It is used as a net to sweep in all types of offenses from minor infractions to sex murders.
To suppress people you must invent an all powerful enemy whether it be 'sex offenders' or 'terrorists'.
Trying to stop young people doing what comes naturally is like trying to hold back the sea. You can offer advice and encouragment to possibly wait until you think they are mature but punishment as shown in this article is sick and perverted. I'd be more concerned about the adults involved-they are the sick puppies.
Beyond that, society has ordained that kids below a certain age can't vote, drink ........
Yes but different societies view that age differently. In France for example the age of consent is 15 and a 16 yo can buy alcohol.Are French teenagers more distubed than US ones? Is a French girl of 16 'traumatised" because she had sex with a 40 yo guy? Protecting "kids" (children under the age of puberty) is not the same as a fully sexually developed female who may be considered an adult in other less puritanical and hysterical societies than the US.
This is disturbing to see that people are trying to force sexuality away. It's reproductive hormones and every teenager is full of them. Consequences don't exist in a teens mind, but when the government decides to "teach" a sex loving teen a lesson in responsibility, they do so to the point that it's just trauma, there's no cure, just let teenagers reproduce. It's obviously natural, these aren't little kids anymore. They've developed full reproductive capability by the time they're 13, so it's only normal that along with a high sex drive comes sex. This isn't a case of a 21 year old pervert who preys on young girls who're just beginning to wear training bras, but a case of 2 normal people who are still teenagers, not a day over 20, engaging in sex at the age most ancient people's would have deemed old.
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