Is the senseless violence we've witnessed in the aftermath of such vitriol -- examples of which follow after the jump -- in any sense unexpected?
(Click on documents to enlarge.)
The President referenced above is John F. Kennedy; the senseless violence alluded to was his assassination on November 22, 1963; and the vitriol against him is evident in these two documents: the one on the left is a right-wing ad that appeared in the Dallas Morning News on November 22, 1963, hours before he was gunned down; the one on the right is a right-wing handbill distributed throughout Dallas in the days leading up to his visit to Dallas. These attest to the fact that charged political rhetoric has been with us for a long time (and, of course, these pale in comparison to things said about President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War).
But just as there is no evidence that the recent Arizona shooting had anything to do with political vitriol, the same can be said about JFK's senseless murder. Kennedy was murdered not by a right-wing fanatic but by a self-professed Marxist who had defected to the Soviet Union, was kicked out, and was allied with pro-Castro forces in the U.S.
As a footnote, America has witnessed five subsequent shootings in the context of presidential politics, none of them by right-wing nutcases. President Kennedy's brother, Robert, was murdered by an anti-Zionist. Gov. George Wallace was shot by a mentally disturbed young man who'd been rejected by his one and only girlfriend and sought notoriety by killing either President Nixon or Wallace. President Gerald Ford was shot by a female follower of Charles Manson and then, seventeen days later, an extreme leftist woman into revolutionary politics. And President Reagan was shot by a mentally unhinged young man obsessed with Jody Foster.
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Great! I was wondering where that was going.
Shows how little things have changed. Except now the media insists that on a connection that isn't there.
it was another false accusation to call jared loughner a right wing conservative.
He was shown holding a gun, and wearing womens panties in one of his pictures. Thats more symbolic of new gender-raunch than it is right wing conservative.
UK: Police probe false rape claim
Submitted by anthony on Mon, 2011-01-17 03:18.
'A teenage boy arrested on suspicion of rape has been released without charge.
The 17-year-old, from Slough, was arrested in connection with the rape of a 13-year-old girl in Tilehurst in November.
The schoolgirl, from Tilehurst, was attacked inside a car in a car park after accepting a lift as she walked along Northumberland Avenue, in Whitley, on Tuesday, November 16.
Det Sgt Elton Evans, from Reading CID, said: “Thames Valley Police now believes this incident to be a false report of rape and an investigation into the circumstances is continuing.”'
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2085549_police_probe_false_rape_claim
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16173
'The land of easy money': How the Somali woman who lied about gang rape describes Britain
Submitted by Matt on Sat, 2011-01-15 16:02.
'A woman who lied about being gang raped in Somalia to claim more than £250,000 in benefits had moved to Britain after boasting it was the ‘land of easy money’.
Ayan Abdulle was jailed this week after investigators discovered that the story she used to win asylum – and later UK citizenship – was a pack of lies.
Now the Daily Mail can reveal the full scale of her fraud and how easily she was able to milk the benefits system for years.
Abdulle, who also used the fake name Amina Muse and is from Somalia, was living in Gothenburg when the authorities insisted immigrants learn Swedish if they wanted to continue to claim handouts.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347297/Somali-250k-benefits-cheat-Ayan-Abdulle-described-Britain-land-easy-money.html
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16170
Sorry for being off topic.
Branching out into right-wing apology and anti-immigration?
It's ridiculous to expect that a schizophrenic should have a neatly defined political ideology. But as I said earlier, while his perception of reality was messed up by illness, his values were messed up by culture. The disease gave the bad input, but it took a bad "program" as well to turn that input into violence.
Do you think a violent revolutionary is noble and brave, if the ones he seeks to overthrow are genuinely evil tyrants of the worst sort, who are performing countless depraved acts?
That is a question of values. It depends on your culture, and how you were raised. Maybe genes as well, who knows.
Are politicians genuinely evil tyrants of the worst sort, who are performing countless depraved acts?
That is a question of fact. One which Jared Lee Loughner was completely incapable of approaching rationally on account of his illness.
It looks like the American gender-raunch community owes sarah palin and the tea party an apology.
Gender-raunch pigpiled on top of her after the tuscon shootings, as they falsely claimed the shooter was a right wing conservative, but come to find out the truth was he was a seriously disturbed young man, who ( by posing with a gun a in womens panties) showed more signs of being politically gender-raunch, than any form of conservative.
This is a follow-up to our post that demonstrated how vapid was the progressive claim that masculinity and other supposed right-wing pathologies led to the Arizona shooting. I have zero use for talk about a "Second Amendment" solution, but that discouse had nothing to do with this senseless violence.
What strikes me about the left on this issue is how terribly naive it is, or how terribly naive it thinks we are. A knee jerk blaming of the "right-wing" for a random, and literally insane, act of violence is simply astounding.
"What strikes me about the left on this issue is how terribly naive it is, or how terribly naive it thinks we are. A knee jerk blaming of the "right-wing" for a random, and literally insane, act of violence is simply astounding."
And of course the obligatory "Ban the Guns" opinion articles get trotted out as well. I have no doubt that they will eventually succeed in getting them banned,people are getting really lazy and stupid in this country, and then the entire country could be militarily suppressed using only a handful of national guardsmen.
I must have read about 60 articles that used this tragedy as yet another excuse to malign American firearm ownership. What these bleeding-heart morons don't understand is that people will always murder each other, and they will use whatever weapon is most expedient. I've seen quite a few cases of murders with claw hammers,but I've yet to hear someone crying "OH,THE SENSELESSNESS! TO THINK YOU CAN BUY THESE DANGEROUS WEAPONS WITHOUT A PERMIT!".
I have,however, seen the historical report of Pearl Harbor from the Japanese's side, and the ONLY reason the Japs didn't try a land invasion, according to them, was that 8 out of 10 American households had guns in them.
The second amendment scares hostile foreign powers shitless.Yeah, ban those guns, never mind the fact that the founding fathers wanted us to have them to put the fear of god into our own government,let's roll out a welcome mat and put up a big sign that says "Hey, we're helpless and unarmed,rape and murder us at your leisure!" for the next foreign country that wants to take us over.
Yeah,lunatics can get guns and shoot people. Waiting 5 days doesn't mean shit to someone who's been planning to go out in a blaze of glory their whole life, thanks to liberals, a good man would have to wait those 5 days to legally purchase a gun to save your life with.
We don't need less guns, we need more. We need a gun in the hands of every man,woman, and child, and the training to use it quickly,lethally, and safely to the shooter and innocent bystanders.
How many of these senseless gun murders do you think would happen if these nutcases knew they wouldn't get off two shots before they were cut down by about 5 average joes?
I'm guessing zero.
Nobody's THAT crazy.
You always go back to your original stereotypes in a pinch. That's why it's so easy to blame (going down the list):
- Men
- Whites
- Heterosexuals
- Nazis
- Republicans
- Politicians
- Police
- Etc...
Columbine shooting was a perfect example of that. They kept reiterating how the two kids were neo-nazis that liked Rammstein, before VERY QUIETLY dropping the issue without so much as a correction or a whisper when they found out that Dylan Klebold was from a very observant Jewish family. Now, I am Jewish and a lot of us like Rammstein, but to stretch us to being neo-nazis is something else.
It didn't sell that well so it went unmentioned.
But great post Pierce.
Oh Come now. Why let a few facts get in the way of a good ideol...er story?
TMOTS
Anonymous (Jan 18, 2011 4:07:00 AM) - ”Sorry for being off topic.”
Nothing to be sorry for.
It may be “off topic” for the thread, but it’s hardly off topic for the large mission of the FRS.
The open boasting by a woman who has “cheated” her way to great benefit is yet another example of the emerging motivation for FRA’s, the financial angle. Be it attempted extortions (i.e. Rick Patino, and perhaps, just recently, Lenny Dykstra), or simply a bid for “victims assistance” money, we are seeing more and more cases where FRA’s are being uncovered where the motivation was the money.
If the Kanin studies were repeated today, I wonder how the “financial” would rank.
Yeah, off-topic to further the mission is fine.
Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Lets hear it from the nasty, crazy Left:
Jon Stewart: Guns are not The Problem, "Crazy" is the problem.
Yes. THAT Jon Stewart. On Oprah, no less.
The "rape culture" that some feminists perceive is really just a misinterpretation of an overall culture of violence, fear, and loathing. NRA advocates further this by trumping up statistics about street crime, and feminists further it by trumping up statistics about rape. It's a vicious cocktail of fear, hate, and paranoia that cannot be denied.
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