Read that again, and let it sink in.
If the girl's lie had its intended effect, would anyone have objected if the boy had been tried (and in many jurisdictions, he might have been tried as an adult) for the rape of an innocent young woman? Would anyone have said "it's awful" that a boy so young should be prosecuted?"
The question scarcely survives its statement.
So, why the double standard, Ms. Longstaff? Why are you intent on treating 15-year-old young women -- who, on average, are more mature in every measurable way than 14-year-old boys -- as if they are infants and not free moral agents who ought to know better? Why is the sexual grievance industry so intent on shielding false rape accusers from the responsibilities of their vile acts?
For every other criminal act, our society believes that punishing the wrongdoer, among other things, has the effect of deterring other would-be criminals. Why is that not a concern when women lie about rape?
When anti-rape campaigners inject themselves into cases where there was no rape, when they advocate on behalf of rape liars, they aren't helping rape victims. In almost every false rape case, judges and police officers bemoan the harm done to actual rape victims by the lies told by false rape accusers. The advocacy here by Women Against Rape trivializes rape by conflating rape victims with false rape accusers; by enabling would-be false rape accusers to spin their lies and possibly hurt other flesh-and-blood men and boys; and by diminishing the integrity of every woman who legitimately cries rape. In short, this unconscionable advocacy hurts not only innocent men and boys but actual rape victims.
Somehow, it seems they don't care that their advocacy is having the opposite effect of its stated intent to help rape victims. How could that be, and what, exactly, is really going on here?
When anti-rape crusaders advocate on behalf of rape liars, they are pursuing what can only be described as a politicized, gender-divisive agenda that seems intended to announce to all that world that the victimization of our sons is not worthy of society's attention. When it comes to even far-fetched claims of rape, men and boys have no entitlement to the mantle of victimhood.
This mentality, of course, smells of feminist bloodlust, an ugly desire for payback for the purported past sins of the "patriarchy." Even though the 14-year-old male victim in this case is a real victim, and even though he had nothing to do with any past sins of the "patriarchy."
Shame on you, Lisa Longstaff. Your advocacy here is disgraceful.
I hope that Ms. Longstaff doesn't have a teenage son who someday might be falsely accused of rape. Perhaps then she will understand that the falsely accused are treated no better than flotsam, collateral damage in the "more important" war on rape. In "he said/she said" rape claims involving two teens, even though either one of the parties might be guilty of a crime (rape for him, perverting the course of justice for her) the boy alone is routinely arrested and charged, while the girl is treated as a "victim." Boys are often subjected to indignities in detention, inflicted either by the staff or other inmates. Even when they are exonerated, they are expected to just "take it like a man." The experience of being falsely accused of rape is inhumane generally, but doubly so when it happens to a teenage boy.
The district judge concluded that the girl knew that claiming she had been raped would get the boy into trouble. It was possible, the judge added, that the girl had lied because she feared she was pregnant or it could be that she had lied to "cover her tracks."
In other words, just another day in our false rape society.
(If you want to read more about how false rape claims are treated in 21st Century America, with all its supposed enlightenment, see here.)
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Girl convicted after making false rape allegation
Decision to prosecute 16-year-old, 15 at the time of the alleged rape, is criticised by anti-rape campaigners
A girl who claimed she was raped when she was a 15-year-old virgin was today convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice by making a false allegation.
The girl told police that a 14-year-old boy had raped her in his bedroom and she had been "too scared" to cry out to her friends.
But after a three-day trial at a youth court in Cheltenham, a district judge decided the girl had had consensual sex with the boy and had lied to police and the court. The girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, will be sentenced next month.
The decision to prosecute the girl, now 16, was criticised by anti-rape campaigners.
Lisa Longstaff, of the campaign group Women Against Rape, said: "It is awful that a girl so young has been prosecuted in this way."
The girl, from Gloucestershire, claimed she was raped by the boy in his bedroom under his bedclothes. She said she "froze" and though she told him quietly to stop, she did not call out to her friends for help.
But the prosecution said the girl's account of the alleged rape was "riddled with lies".
Julian Kesner, prosecuting, said she had changed her story, at first saying just the two of them were in the bedroom but later admitting that two other friends were also there.
Kesner said that the day after the alleged attack the girl was spotted holding hands with the boy.
Giving evidence, the girl said she went to the boy's home with a female friend and after the game of truth and dare, the boy "nagged" her to have sex with him but she had repeatedly said she did not want to.
Then when he asked her three or four times to lie down on the bed, she did so just to stop him nagging. She claimed the boy covered them both with duvets, took down her trousers and underclothes, and had sex with her even though she whispered to him to stop.
In his closing speech, the girl's solicitor, Stephen Thomas, said: "She did not consent to have sex with him and she believes that he raped her."
The district judge, Joti Bopa Rai, concluded that the girl consented to sex with the boy, who was arrested over the allegation. She knew that claiming she had been raped would get the boy into trouble, the judge said.
It was possible, the judge added, that the girl had lied because she feared she was pregnant or it could be that she had lied to "cover her tracks". "That lie grew bigger and bigger and bigger," she added.
The judge said she appreciated that the defendant was young but she came across as intelligent. "She knew the consequence of this lie," the judge said.
Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jan/25/girl-convicted-rape-allegation
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Direct hit to the balls! This is sickening.
This story simply solidifies the views by some that these girls can't lie, can't make stories up, and certainly can't be tried for it. When they get serious and start jailing some of these liars, the false allegations will start lessening. Alas, I'm talking about a sensible "system." Good luck with that.
I'd like to see that "woman's rights advocate" get thrown in jail for rape.
That would be justice.
Because everyone has to be a victim and nobody should ever have to endure the responsibility of their own actions.
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Why?
I can tell you EXACTLY why....
the sexual grievance and domestic violence community is a bloody good earner, just follow the money....
advocates in the UK are pulling in IRO 175-200 UK pounds an hour, plus expenses... spend 5 hours drinking coffee at court and 5 minutes in the court itself? ker-ching, 6 billable hours...
and there are usually at LEAST 3 (mother / father / court appointed guardian) which means 3 x 6 x 200 = 3,600 pounds which is around 5,700 bucks...
False Rape Society, I am currently summarizing Baroness Stern's report 'The Stern Review', on my blog (http://antifeministmedia.blogspot.com).
What is your opinion on the WAR (Women Against Rape) website (http://www.womenagainstrape.net), and their claim of '1 in 6 women has been raped' statement? at the bottom of their homepage? How is that figure arrived at?
Also, they use the 6 per cent conviction rate myth, albeit they use wording such as 'the conviction rate for reported rape remains 6.5 per cent'.
Do you think they are misleading the public with that claim? I certainly do. The conviction rate was 58% in 2008.
I could use your opinion on this.
Oh for goodness sake... this world
Part I:
Perhaps the single most prominent reason cited by members of what can aptly be called the sexual grievance industry for inisting that the needs of those who are falsely accused of sex crimes should not be addressed is that false rape claims are rare or even a "myth." While eveyone agrees that people lie about everything under the sun for all manner of reasons, good, bad and indifferent, members of the sexual grievance industry assert that in the singular instance of rape, mirabile dictu, one gender is incapable of telling a lie while the other is comprised of pathological liars. The very discussion of rape becomes a sort of truth serum for women, a magic elixir that forces anyone not possessing a Y-chromosome to utter incontrovertible truth. Is this in any sense plausible to a fair-minded person? The question scarcely survives its statement.
The assertion is, of course, is an assault on our common sense. That women lie about rape shouldn't be surprising because rape is easy to lie about. The very physical act that constitutes the alleged crime is precisely the same act that has been performed countless times every minute of every day of every year since the beginning of time the world over as an act of love, an act of procreation. To transmogrify this most fundamental human act into a claim of rape, all a woman needs to do is recharacterize it as nonconsensual. No dobut, many men would also lie about rape if their lies would be deemed plausible. Since they aren't, men rarely tell such lies.
Clearly false accusations of rape happen, but how prevalent are they? The crime has become so embroiled in the gender-politicized sexual assault milieu, where serious dialogue grounded in fact is displaced by vituperative rants and politically motivated assertions, that most reports about the prevalence of such false claims are inherently untrustworthy. In advocating for rape reforms, some feminist legal scholars engaged in a sort of disingenuous scholarly overkill by sprinkling their rationales with shibboleths about how women don’t or hardly ever lie about rape. As a result, the legal literature is replete with references to the “fact” that only two percent of all rape clams are false, consistent with the purported average for other crimes. It is not uncommon in this literature for men’s fears about false accusations to be dismissed with almost derisive references to Potiphar’s wife, who, according to the Bible’s Book of Genesis, wrongly accused Joseph (of “coat-of-many-colors” fame) of rape.
The overriding evidence shows that false rape claims are a significant problem, and that the victims of false claims are not rarities.
PART II:
It is disingenuous to insist that false rape claims are a "myth" because no one knows for certain the percentage of false rape claims. A leading feminist legal scholar has acknowledged this irrefutable fact: ". . . the statistics on false rape accusation widely vary and 'as a scientific matter, the frequency of false rape complaints to police or other legal authorities remains unknown.'" A. Gruber, Rape, Feminism, and the War on Crime, 84 Wash. L. Rev. 581, 595-600 (November 2009) (citation omitted). An authoritative law review article debunked the canard that only two percent of all rape claims are false. The author traced this number to its baseless source. See http://llr.lls.edu/volumes/v33-issue3/greer.pdf. The FBI has compiled statistics to show that women lie far more often about rape than other crimes. The Politics of Sexuality, Barry M. Dank, Editor in Chief, Vol. 3 at 36, n. 8. It is, therefore, erroneous to assert that only a small or insignificant percentage of rape claims are false because no one can make that assertion with any degree of certainty, and all the available evidence suggests it is wrong.
That the exact prevalence of false rape claims is neither known nor knowable is easily demonstrated. Only a relatively small percentage of rape claims can be definitively called "rape." This is beyond dispute. Rougly fifteen percent end in conviction in the U.S. and of those we know that some innocent men and boys are convicted. We also know that some claims reported (the numbers vary depending on the study) are outright false. But in between the claims we are reasonably certain were actual rapes, and the ones we are reasonably certain were false claims, is a vast gray area consisting of a group of claims that cannot properly be classified as "rapes" -- because we just don't know. That's the nature of a rape claim. The claims in this vast gray middle area often suffer from evidentiary infirmities. For example, for some such claims, while the claimant herself might think a rape occurred, her outward manifestations of assent did not match her subjective disinclination to engage in sex, so it wasn't rape. And that's just one of a countless number of examples.
Regardless of what the actual number might be, every impartial, objective study ever conducted on the subject shows false rape claims are a serious problem. As reported by "False Rape Allegations" by Eugene Kanin, Archives of Sexual Behavior Feb 1994 v23 n1 p81 (12), Professor Kanin’s major study of a mid-size Midwestern U.S. city over the course of nine years found that 41 percent of all rape claims were false. Kanin also studied the police records of two unnamed large state universities, and found that in three years, 50 percent of the 64 rapes reported to campus police were determined to be false, without the use of polygraphs. (Kanin, incidentally, was a feminist icon whose work was cited and relied on without question by feminists, including the infamous Koss Report. He suddenly became a nitwit who forgot how to do research when his studies upset the narrative of the persons who dominate the public discourse about rape.)
PART III
In addition, a landmark Air Force study in 1985 studied 556 rape allegations. It found that 27% of the accusers recanted, and an independent evaluation revealed a false accusation rate of 60%. McDowell, Charles P., Ph.D. “False Allegations.” Forensic Science Digest, (publication of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations), Vol. 11, No. 4 (December 1985), p. 64. See also, "Until Proven Innocent," the widely praised (praised even by the New York Times, which the book skewers -- as well as by most other major U.S. news sources) and painstaking study of the Duke Lacrosse non-rape case. Authors Stuart Taylor and Professor K.C. Johnson explain that the exact number of false claims is elusive but "[t]he standard assertion by feminists that only 2 percent" or sexual assault claims "are false, which traces to Susan Brownmiller's 1975 book 'Against Our Will,' is without empirical foundation and belied by a wealth of empirical data. These data suggest that at least 9 percent and probably closer to half" of all sexual assault claims "are false . . . ." (Page 374.)
Have you ever noticed that every time a feminist discusses false rape claims, she becomes an actuarial? False rape claims, she posits, are an acceptable risk because there are so few of them and because there are so many actual rapes -- especially of the unreported variety. "I'll start to become concerned about false rape claims," she gushes, "when false rape claims become half the problem rape is." Then she'll support her rant by trotting out statistics that are, again, wholly untrustworthy.
The sexual grievance industry posits stats for the prevalence of rape that are wildly, fantastically, inconsistent. Many feminist organizations posit stats that are inconsistent with their own stats for alleged underreporting of rape. Moreover, they typically rely on polls where the questions are skewed to yield more "rapes," and where pollsters don't bother to check the male's side of the story. While no one can say whether most rape claims reported to police were actual rapes, feminist organizations insist that a young woman's offhand and unchallenged boast to a pollster that she was raped is incontrovertible fact, and public policy is set accordingly.
Organizations such as NOW and RAINN rely on the U.S Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey to insist that rape is rampant and largely underreported. What those organizations do not publicize is that this survey, conducted by in-person and telephone interviews, defines rape as follows: "Forced sexual intercourse including both psychological coercion as well as physical force. . . ." You need to scroll to page 131 out of 133 to find that definition. Putting aside other problems with the definition, "psychological coercion," of course, can mean all manner of things that are not rape, including "I'll take your mother to the doctors tomorrow if you make love to me tonight."
Now, the short answer: the one-in-six is bullshit. It's invented from whole cloth.
As for the Stern Review: This was its most important contribution to the public discourse about rape. In the UK, the Home Office, and politicians seeking to jack up rape convictions, have long cited the attrition rate for rape, which is the number of convictions as a percentage of number of reported crimes. That rate is 6%. But, the Home Office, and everyone, uses the conviction rate (the number of convictions secured against the number of persons brought to trial for that given offence) for all other crimes. In fact, the conviction rate for rape is 58%. The result has been to make it appear that law enforcement is terribly, and uniquely, ineffective when it comes to rape. Please re-read that and make sure you understand it: the feminists who dominate the public discourse about rape in the UK have long insisted that only 6% of "rapists" are convicted, as opposed to the correct figure: 58%. Stern Review, see page 45. Rape is the only crime judged by the attrition rate. All others – murder, assault, robbery, and so on – are assessed by their conviction rates. That was dishonesty of Biblical proportions. And the Stern Review noted that use of the attrition rate instead of the conviction rate "may well have discouraged some victims from reporting." Stern Review, see page 45 (emphasis added).
So who's responsible for underreporting? Um, the feminists who've lied to make the rape problem out to be worse than it is.
'And the Stern Review noted that use of the attrition rate instead of the conviction rate "may well have discouraged some victims from reporting.'
Yes, its incredible isnt it. We've got them.
I've read the Stern Review and I come to the same conclusion, and crucially, WAR are using that attrition rate figure either intentionally or through ignorance (I dont want to get sued for libel, but I will be mentioning WAR in my last blog piece 'my opinion') they are misleading the British public, and WAR are using this figure in every piece for the British online newspapers.
Thanks Archivist!
Antif. -- make sure to mention the Stern Review's admonition that this deception may actually cause underreporting. Women get the idea that it's hopeless to report rape. So these advocates are not part of the solution -- they are part of the problem.
I will, thanks man.
Lying girl should rot in jail! Period!
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What SICKENS ME is the comment by Lisa Longstaff.
What Ms Longstaff SHOULD have said was:
"It is awful that a BOY so young has been FALSLY prosecuted in this way."
I hope that Ms. Longstaff doesn't have a teenage son who someday might be falsely accused of rape.
As do I. Unfortunately, that is the absolutely only way they will learn.
And it has to happen to every single such rape culture feminist. Because the one who's son is falsely accused will currently get discarded.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350542/Girl-15-convicted-crying-rape-boy-14.html
If a 15 year old guy was in the same situation, they would put him on trial without thinking twice. These feminist activists wouldn't even bother to care. This in turn shows that deep down these feminist activists don't value the real ethics behind the policy.
As a real "victim" (hate that word) of rape, I say prosecute! Girls who lie about it are a huge reason the real "victims" don't come forward. I took my attackers to court and felt as if I were the one on trial. They didn't need to prove they were innocent, I had to prove I was telling the truth. After such a physical trauma, being accused of lying was unbearable. I feel that because of girls who lie, it's easier to say nothing, do nothing and cope alone than it is to undergo even more emotional stress by taking it to court. I guess what I'm trying to say is PROSECUTE! Make an example out of her so other girls think twice before ruining lives for attention.
Author doesn't seem to understand the implications of what a rape accusation does to a person. Not only is the subject ostracized from their social community, they run a serious, almost inevitable chance of getting raped in prison. I.E. A rape accusation consigns a man to getting raped.
If author is so concerned about equality, a woman who falsely accuses a man of rape should be equally entitled to the repercussions said charge brings about
Antifeministmedia:
"...35 percent of all sexual assault defendants in NSW higher courts in 2004 pleaded guilty. In the NSW lower courts only 24 percent pleaded guilty."
Meaning their 6% figure is absolute hokum.
source: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/341-360/tandi344/view%20paper.aspx
(AIC = Australian Institute of Criminology)
Ms Longstaff ;)
Just so everyone is aware, this post has reached the front page of Reddit as of 4:30AM GMT.
Are You Kidding me?
The Woman that said this should be shot.
The next time someone asks me why I am an anti-feminist, I will point them to this article.
Why would you wish an innocent child to be falsely accused of rape just to teach the mother a lesson?
joonjoon, I wished for exactly the opposite. I would not wish a false rape claim on anyone. Unfortunately, my experience is that a lot of people couldn't care less about these issues until it happens to their kid. We hear mostly from mothers of young men falsely accused. I have the emails to prove it -- so many, in fact, that we can't respond to them all. One after the next says the same thing: "I never knew this happened . . . ." By then, it's often too late.
well said article.
"Why are you intent on treating 15-year-old young women -- who, on average, are more mature in every measurable way than 15 and even 16-year-old boys -- as if they are infants?"
PS: Young minds develop at similar rates, whether they are male or female. It is perpetual lies like this that put young girls in compromising situations, thinking that they should 'know better' or they can handle more because they are more 'mature'.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sax-sex/201012/unexpected-sex-differences-in-brain-development
at the end of the guardian page, there's a link to two boys 10,11 found guilty of attempted rape:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/may/24/boys-guilty-attempted-rape-girl
But in her closing speech, Cottage warned the jury not to trivialise what had taken place.
"On the face of it, wouldn't it be so much easier and so much nicer to believe that this was all a case of innocent sexual experimentation, a game of you show me yours and I will show you mine, a case of [the girl] misunderstanding what had happened and innocently exaggerating it?" she said."
"Just because it would be easier, just because we don't really want to consider that these things really did happen, is not the way to decide this case. You have to look at the evidence."
Give this little bitch the full extent of the laws massive cock. Maybe then she will know some fraction of what rape is. God knows she wouldn't want it.
Here here to the last guy posting about jailing the little bitch.
Post all your links, studies and stats but in the end this girl lied to the police and court system to punish a kid for her mistakes. She regreted having sex with him and tried to get out of trouble with mom and dad and its sick.
It shows the charecter of her and most women this day and age. Almost every woman i ever dated turned out to be more manipulitave than any man i knew.
This girl should face serious jail time for her crime and to make her an example. ACtivists are liberal fakes with out a fucking TV show.
this isnt activism its feminism ... and its SICK TO THE FUCKING CORE
I like your blog a whole lot. Mixed emotions of anger, discontent, and righteous indignation are often the result of my visits.
Frequently I stop reading the last third of your blog article because, all that I read is an overly long venting of frustration.
I really like what you do. Please, could you do more with less?
Utterly disgusting that the girl would lie about this in the first place. She needs to learn that she could have ruined someones *entire* life with the bullshit she said.
Prosecute.
Meanwhile, in England two well-known sports commentators have been publicly humiliated and sacked for making a negative comment about a female linesman...
Because, you know, that's far worse than falsely accusing someone of rape and watching the police throw them in a jail, verbally and physically abuse them and indecently assault them.
Has anyone ever dared to sack a false accuser because of the risk she poses to all the men she works with?
Cases like this illustrate the point that many so-called victim advocates are really just interested in waging war against males in general, and are simply disguising their true agenda by picking a convenient issue with emotive appeal like rape or DV. Ms Longstaff is showing her true colors.
Anon @9:13 Jan 25
My deepest sympathies for your ordeal. I share your sentiments.I do feel the need to clarify one thing, however,regarding this statement:
"They didn't need to prove they were innocent, I had to prove I was telling the truth."
In the west, this is the typical model for the court. The reason why is because we tried the other model and it led to a lot of innocent people being killed. I believe you will have heard of the Salem witch trials. The court model used to burn "witches" was such that the person had to prove that they WERE NOT a witch.
This is impossible. The "evidence" of witchcraft that was used to bring cases against these people were activities that everyone commonly engaged in. For instance, it was common for someone to pray over their crops. If a neighbor saw this, the person could be accused of asking the devil to make their crops grow and then the person would have to "prove" that they weren't addressing the devil. Only two people knew for sure, the person praying, and the devil, and he couldn't testify.
Similarly, everyone engages in sex. If a woman has a man's semen in her and brings that to the police and says it was rape, there is NO WAY for a man to prove he DID NOT rape her. Only two people know for sure and the only other witness is the plaintiff.
So our courts ask the person to instead prove that they WERE raped. Usually this is not difficult. Sometimes the guilty go free under this model, but it is also infinitely more challenging to convict the innocent. If people had to prove they were innocent of rape, everyone who was charged with rape would be convicted of it. Innocent people would have no way to defend themselves from those who lie about being raped.
What snappy repartee, Jocelyn.
Did you think of that yourself, or did you have some help to come up with that?
Thanks for stopping by.
The reality is, this happens all the time. I know of two guys who were falsely accused of rape by different women. If the women had not purged themselves on the stand these guys would have remained in jail. Neither of these women were prosecuted.
This happens all the time... the guys just have to move on and be thankful that these women got caught in a lie...
Ok folks,
I've removed a couple of posts. Please stop with the derogatory and insulting terms and the generalization of all women. We can do better than that.
Thank you.
Anon at 12:36: The post says the boy was 14, not 16.
fuck the bitch
No, it isn't awful, to be blunt.
What is awful is that this girls parents did not raise her with the idea that there are some things you just DO NOT LIE ABOUT, with someone sexually assaulting you being top on the list!
jail time, and the people complaining that its "awful" to prosecute the girl should be put in jail too for attempting to obstruct justice.
This is a terrible hypocrisy. Some of women suddenly getting understand that they are females, when they are getting raped by men.
There must be an investigation for find out whether these women are really feminine or not. Because of with out any specially created social background any one cannot define a word of rape. With out following a real feminine way of life women cannot argue about rape.
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