Sigh. I received a note advising that a white knight has unfairly prejudged this blog, and that he's inviting his readers to "flame" us. His name is supposed to be Bart Calendar. In a post called "Flame These Fuckers," he writes:
"It's like someone finally found a way to bring all the assholes on the Internet together in one place where they can all talk about how men are victims in society, women are generally asking for it and that most rape claims are false.
"Best of all - because they are a bunch of fucking cowards they allow anonymous commenting!
"Have fun!"
Where to begin with that?
First, we do allow anonymous commenting. It seems to be the accepted practice. We've been thinking of ditching comments altogether. In any event, comments, as we note in our Comments Policy, do not express the views of the owners of this blog.
Second, what on earth does Bart mean by "women are generally asking for it"? Does Bart mean that we believe women are asking to be raped? Is Bart insane? I know full well that some people believe that, and that some of those people comment here, but it's not our position, it's not the position of any reasonable person, and it is unspeakably insulting to women who have been raped. Bart, ya gotta come up with a better straw man next time, OK? A woman never "asks" to be raped -- by virtue of her dress, her level of intoxication, her speech, her "feminine wiles," or anything else. Now, that's not to say it is prudent for women to take unreasonable risks (just as it's not prudent for men to take unreasonable risks), or for the feminist community to encourage women to take imprudent risks. That's a different issue. Even the stupidest woman who is raped after taking the stupidest chances does not "ask" to be raped. And here's the most important part: her stupidity does not in any manner lessen the criminality of her rapist.
Get it, Bart?
Third, "most rape claims are false." Sigh. I realize some people believe that. Just as some people believe that essentially no rape claims are false. The reasonable folks just don't know. On this point, I happen to agree with a leading feminist legal scholar who has acknowledged this irrefutable fact: ". . . the statistics on false rape accusation widely vary and 'as a scientific matter, the frequency of false rape complaints to police or other legal authorities remains unknown.'" A. Gruber, Rape, Feminism, and the War on Crime, 84 Wash. L. Rev. 581, 595-600 (November 2009) (citation omitted). And see here.
Does that mean that false rape claims are unworthy of our attention? Even though we don't know the number -- because the number really is unknowable -- we do know that false rape claims are a problem for a significant number of people. We agree that rape is certainly a problem that is worthy of everyone's attention, but false rape claims aren't? Bart is offended because one blog, out of how many on the subject of rape, exists to shed light on the injustices to the falsely accused? I mean, we shouldn't even speak about these things because, somehow -- what? -- we are aiding rapists?! Sorry, the gaps, or more accurately, the chasms, in that "logic" are breathtaking.
Does Bart care that, as a society, we permit the reputations of persons falsely accused of sex crimes to be destroyed by even baseless accusations of a lone accuser? Remember what happened to four innocent minority nobodys at Hofstra University last year? You should read about it, Bart -- especially how the television news media did a high tech lynching of these young men just to titillate its viewers and snag better ratings: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/lamb-to-slaughter-hofstra-false-rape.html
Morevoer, we, as a society, too often permit the presumptively innocent, who too often turn out to have been falsely accused, to be arrested and jailed on nothing more than far-fetched claims, with bail set sufficiently high to insure they won't be released before trial. And, yeah, this is especially a serious problem for young black and Hispanic men and boys. Why not wait until the investigation is completed before arresting? That's all we're asking, Bart. Is that too much for you? Seriously?
And we excuse false accusers with little or no punishment, inviting others to falsely accuse with impunity and without deterrent. Professor Alan Dershowitz, one of the strongest voices on these issues, once said this: “Rape is such a serious crime that deliberately bringing a false accusation of rape should be an equally serious crime and women are not being punished for those crimes. I believe that being falsely accused of rape is as traumatic as being raped.” But that's OK with you, too, eh, Bart?
Wow!
For the folks who don't bother reading beyond the first page of this blog, False Rape Society loathes and detests rapists, but our advocacy on behalf of the presumptively innocent has nothing to do with that. Our goal isn't to help rapists beat the rap. When someone writes to us looking for help, if they describe what sounds like a rape, we want nothing to do with them.
Did you know, Bart, that rape victims tell us they support our work here because -- newsflash! -- they hate false accusers almost as much as their own rapists? Because they know that every false rape claim diminishes the integrity of rape victims?
If Bart thinks this blog is a cauldron of women-hating Neanderthals, he hasn't been around the Internet very much, now has he? In fact, earlier this year, this blog was attacked by some in the so-called men's rights community because we had the audacity to state in the sub-heading of our blog (look up, Bart -- you'll actually see it if you bother to look) that women, too, are victims of false rape claims. How dare we!
I would never suggest that our readers flame Bart, but here is Bart's very coherent blog: http://bart-calendar.livejournal.com/
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Not fair, Archivist. He's a nobody, and it looks like you were just looking for a fight. You made him look like a prick because how could anyone disagree with what you said?
Bart = Mangina. Maybe some day he or his son will be falsely accused of rape, then he can join the other "assholes" on this site.
Excellent. I, for one, am tired of these know-nothings who assume we must hate women because we commnent on this site. As the victim of a false accusation who also now happens to be happily married, I am personally offended by comments like Bart's.
I hope this doesn't become another 'David Futrelle', i.e. a nobody looking for his fifteen minutes of internet fame by launching unsubstantiated attacks and acting like a four year old.
The bit about anonymous commenting is ass-backwards. Doesn't it show who truly holds power?
I mean, feminists and their lackeys are free to come out with all kinds of hateful crap - using their real names. I can think of about one exception who uses a pseudonym. There is absolutely no need for them to speak anonymously because they know there will be no consequence to what they say.
Men who congregate in their own spaces to talk about their own victimisation feel that they must use pseudonyms or post anonymously, because it would be dangerous to use their real names.
So, this collaborationist mocks the idea that men are victims, but what does all this tell us about who really holds power?
A message to Bart; My real name is Robert. I comment here and at The Spearhead.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/
Come on over if you want to be edcucated/schooled in correct thinking. Let me clue you in. Feminists, male and female, do not care about useful tools like you. They throw men like you under the train frequently.
Hey what can you say, deviant males get a little "Empowerment", by playing into the Women as victim mantra.
males from the Gender / Raunch community gain "Empowerment" from puking faulty and inflammatory "manufactured statistics". Thats why i say get to the root of the "Gender / Raunch Empowerment" campaign, and remove the American law enforcements manufactured statistics which is not only a perversion, but unconstitutional.
If you remove the American law enforcement perversion, you would take away the faulty and inflammatory misinformation that these deviants use to "Empower" themselves.
You see the "Gender / Raunch community" do not "Empower" themselves by promulgating the inherent virtues of their sexual preferences...They are in fact "Empowering" themselves by attacking heterosexual men/boys.
Bart says "Flame these fuckers", i say that you Bart (you little pig) will get yer flame in the end.
"I know full well that some people believe that, and that some of those people comment here, but it's not our position, it's not the position of any reasonable person, and it is unspeakably insulting to women who have been raped."
I know that you have been running this blog much longer than I have been reading it, but honestly, I've never heard anyone say that.
As far as most rape claims are false, I do believe that is the most reasonable position based on what we know, even if some feminist legal scholar says it can't be proven "as a scientific matter".
Hey Bart you little pervert, Im sure youre a self righteous little deviant aren't you.
The false rape culture that you and you're Gender / raunch community foster, disproportionately affect the black community, and you thought you were an enlightened little pig didn't you. Then it effect the latino community second, working class males third, and it the false rape culture you foment (you little pig) effects Gender / Raunch males very little (as they very rarely get into relationships with women.)
so see you self righteous little pig, youre part of a Hate group..kinda like the Klu Klux klan.
A Bart Calendar quote:
"Because she knows I'm an overeducated pretentious fuck...."
Yeah, I know, we can tell.
The false rape culture that the (upper middle class white class, Gender / Raunch community) foster; is a false rape culture in which the greatest victims are black males. And these self righteous Gender / Raunch perverts think they are the benevolent enlightened ones, when in fact they may be the new Klu-Klux-Klan.
Anon, first post. You did get, that he asked people to come over here and flame us (not the other way around), and that because we allow anonymous posts, we are "fucking cowards". Who is looking for a fight?
So Pierce calls out this kind of behavior, and he's the bad guy? That's absolute crap, as:
1. I guess you are considered an asshole because you posted a comment here.
2. We speak of how men (primarily, but not exclusively) are the targets of False rape/sexual assault allegations.
3. We don't now, nor have we ever said that women are "asking for it", if they are raped.
4. We certainly have never said that most rape claims are false. At this point, if ever, will we know the exact percentage of claims that are. We aren't the ones who bang the 2% canard.
All we do, is advocate, and comment on cases of false accusations. But for some, like this idiot, that means we support rape. That deserves an ass chewing. And Pierce gave him one (figuratively speaking)
And, while I'm at it, lets look at this:
http://bart-calendar.livejournal.com/profile
notice this:
This is the blog of the Drunken Ex Pat Writer, a fictional creation who cares about nothing but vodka, cigs and pussy.
And were assholes because we allow anonymous posters. Yet this person seems to be fiction. The hypocrisy abounds.
"As far as most rape claims are false, I do believe that is the most reasonable position based on what we know, even if some feminist legal scholar says it can't be proven "as a scientific matter".
I have no idea. Even Kanin said not to draw wider conclusions from his work. All I know is that it's a significant number, and it's a real problem. My guess is it's easily in the Kanin range, but I won't bet the farm on that. The feminist scholar, by the way, was citing the work of another law professor who came to that very reasonable conclusion. THe other law prof. was debunkning the two percent canard.
As for the "she asked for it," it's not the type of position that more than a miniscule number of people believe -- and I should have said that. I can find a miniscule number of people who believe anything. We've had a handful of commentators here (out of how many thousands) who hate women and buy into all that crap. But our readership on the whole is probably right where middle America is on most of these issues.
I don't need to play Oppression Olympics with the feminists to advocate. Rape is bad, but so are false rape claims. What I won't tolerate are people trivializing the FRA problem by citing stats I can easily debunk.
S - ”…American law enforcements manufactured statistics which is not only a perversion, but unconstitutional.
If you remove the American law enforcement perversion, you would take away the faulty and inflammatory misinformation that these deviants use to "Empower" themselves.”
Since you cannot seem to understand or come to grips with the reality that the statistics you see published are not generated nor manufactured by LE (but, simply reported by LE), let me pose this conundrum which you’ve obviously failed to consider.
If you take away the data provided by LE to be used by the SGI in generating statistics, what, exactly, do you think will happen? Do you really believe that the SGI will simply shut down?
Let me give you a very well know “concrete” example of what happens when the SGI doesn’t have any data from LE. You’re no doubt familiar with the name Susan Brownmiller? Well, she didn’t have any LE data to work with, so guess what she did? She made up her own. And, in case you’ve somehow missed it, nearly 4 decades later, we’re still trying to reverse the public perception that false rape claims represent only about 2% of all such claims.
Are you willing to bet that, denied LE data, the SGI isn’t just going to make up their own data – which will be even more misleading and inflammatory, and possibly lead to even more draconian measures instituted to try to lead with the much more serious crisis they will be able to invent?
I’d point out to you that they are already trying to do just that. They keep expanding the percentage of rapes that they “know” are not being reported. I’ve even seen a few claims of 90% going unreported. They like to cite such sources as rape crisis hotlines as a basis for such claims.
But, (and I say this guardedly) thankfully, they are “stuck” with a number of supposed rapes based on a verifiable tally from LE.
Would you really prefer to see them be able to use the inflated and fabricated number that would come for their preferred sources if the USDOJ no longer gathered LE’s data?
Suddenly, it would no longer be ~80k/yr and 1 every 4 minutes, but hundreds of thousands of rape, and several every minute.
It would be like the “statistics” we are told represent college campuses. Do you recall the college administration-type who was found to have reported on-campus rapes that there weren’t police reports for? I forget the exact numbers, but it was something along the lines of 20 reported, while only 4 had police reports to verify that a claim was even made.
Now, do you still believe that it’s LE that’s making stuff up. The campus police said 4, the feminist-in-charge reported 20. That’s a little taste of what would happen if you were to be granted your ill-though out wish, and LE were to no longer report the actual number of claims made to them. We’d have it even worse.
Oops, forgot to mention someone who did use actual LE data - Eugene Kanin.
slwerner and the raunch guy are fighting each other and ignoring the common enemy. Cut it out.
Anonymous - "slwerner and the raunch guy are fighting each other and ignoring the common enemy."
Seeing as how this site hasn't been inundated by flaming trolls, I'm apparently NOT the only one ignoring our common enemy - his readers are as well (assuming he has any readers).
Snark mentions 'David Futrelle' (aka ManBoobz). The only reason that clown got to enjoy his 15-minutes is because well-meaning men DIDN'T chose to ignore him and his antics.
"I don't need to play Oppression Olympics with the feminists to advocate. Rape is bad, but so are false rape claims. What I won't tolerate are people trivializing the FRA problem by citing stats I can easily debunk."
I completely agree.
However, I think that most people, believe in some way either most rape claims or true or most rape claims are false. And upon hearing such a claim, without any other information on which to base an opinion, are either going to make the prima facie assumption that it is one or the other. They might not voice or act upon it in any way, but it is there in the back of their mind nonetheless. In my opinion, that is simply human nature.
"Seeing as how this site hasn't been inundated by flaming trolls, I'm apparently NOT the only one ignoring our common enemy - his readers are as well (assuming he has any readers)."
SLW -- you have our blessing to keep doing what you want to do here!
And I agree with you about that pompous ass David Futrelle, or whatever his name is. His "writing" is the equivalent of a self-righteous smirk.
@Snark:
"The bit about anonymous commenting is ass-backwards. Doesn't it show who truly holds power?
I mean, feminists and their lackeys are free to come out with all kinds of hateful crap - using their real names."
AMEN BROTHER!
I was just browsing "feministing" - I did a search for "Duke Lacrosse".
Holy Crap - what they wrote up in 2006 - and even after the trio was found innocent - should be labeled as hate-speech.
And those authors use their real names too.
That is an excellent indicator - that they can be as hateful as they want - without fear of prosecution.
I have had it recently pointed out to me - that - many people in these circles - using their real names would result in losing their jobs - or hateful accusations being placed against them.
I am not going to "flame" that guy- but I am going to talk to him.
I consider all this as being a study.
I will study him.
Just as I am still studying Futrelle, women, feminists et al...
Man, now you do me without the lube.
Bart
Well bart, of course that's a fictional name, isn't it. Maybe you should read through the site and get clue to what it is you are talking about. Because right now, all I see is, let's see, I believe you used the term "asshole" and "fucking cowards", yet you hide behind a "fictional creation".
Who's the coward?
To our readers, please don't waste any more time going to this idiots page. I'd really rather not give him more traffic. Thanks.
No offense to Pierce but I think it's a waste of time even mentioning this guy at all....I would delete this whole thread.
I think too highly of this site and the mission that it has than to drag it down with this stuff.
The same goes for Paul Elam. I would not have even wasted my time with david.
Go and comment on big news sites when they put out their usual hit job on some guy that has not been proven to be guilty.
It's a much better way to spend you time...and link to the FRS.
God, I wish I had a mangina.
Bart, as you know, most of the comments by you and your readers have been deleted from this thread. Archivist cannot handle challenges.
An anonymous advised Archivist to "go and comment on big news sites" rather than waste his time with the little people
Trouble is ... he is totaly ignored on any news-worthy site.
Wow anon, funny if we have deleted the posts, that yours, and his were allowed.
I'm guessing logic wasn't something you excelled in. And on those stories that Pierce posts on, he gets plenty of recognition. Maybe because he has an actual idea of what he is talking about, and can back it up.
Thanks for stopping by.
To be fair, I've made two comments and they are both still here.
While I may disagree with the subject matter of this blog I can't say that he's censoring my comments.
I don't ask my readers what or if they comment so I can't speak to that.
All I can say is that he's left my two (and with this one three) comments standing.
Bart
well shit
I can't understand how ANY male that lives in the united states would not support the FRS.
Have they never watched the news?
Do they not see how much devastation a false accusation can do to your life?
Were they or anyone they ever cared about falsely accused of anything?
NEWSFLASH
Archivist is NOT on duty tonight === There's your explanation for no deletions LOL
Hey, its Raunch guy here; most will ignore my indictment of American law enforcement, and their " faulty and inflammatory manufactured statistics" activities.
But hey, Im not a populist, and don't have much ambition to be one, and i got the truth behind me.
The future lies with the correction of a perverted law enforcement. And if we cannot correct it, at least with the internet the world will witness what happens to a nation that continues to State and federally fund institutionalized attacks on heterosexual males.
And yes, the roots of The Gender / Raunch attacks of heterosexuals are based on the "manufactured statistics" from American law enforcement.
It is not only an American law enforcement perversion, but in fact UNCONSTITUTIONAL, for them to be in effect "manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics" that build a prejudice against the innocent.
so ignore me all you want, but for gods sake, don't censor me.
If Bart wants to come on our site and elucidate his understanding of the current "accepted" thinking regarding the prevalence of false rape claims (that's supposedly his real beef with us -- we don't buy into some magic figure that he presumably knows about), he can do so.
My guess is that he's more comfortable sniping at us from the sidelines, like a Che wannabe asshole. And he'll probably respond to this comment with some limp-dick attempt at snarky humor.
I never should have started this with such a loser. Maybe the one commentator was right -- I should delete the whole thing.
I apologize to Steve and our readers -- many of whom were falsely accused and look at this site as a refuge -- for lowering our standards and posting this. I would love to have an honest discussion with just one person like Bart who can show me how I'm wrong when I agree with a highly regarded feminist scholar. Sadly, I haven't seen it.
And, Bart, I apologize to you for starting this site, and for daring to to give voice to a forgotten, maligned group. How dare I do that! I must rot in hell for my sins against the progressive's preferred metanarrative.
If Bart wants to engage in a civil discussion regarding the prevalence of false rape claims, we'll post his side of the story. All he has to do is email us at falserape@yahoo.com
I won't hold my breath.
I, too, am waiting for Bart to make just one informed comment that supports his claim that supporters of this site are rape apologists. Instead he slinks away in a smokescreen of self-righteous condescension.
NEWSFLASH
Archivist is NOT on duty tonight === There's your explanation for no deletions LOL.
I guess that just got shot in the behind. Care to try again?
I still want to hear a good reason that we are such a problem? Isn't it funny, that several people commenting over at Bart's site, bothered to come over, read through, and seem to agree with our stated purpose. Any reason we elicit such hostility?
Are the falsely accused not worthy of consideration (this isn't a rhetorical question, I'd like an answer to that)?
Criminal law prof. blog.
"Several interesting articles on sexual assault. The first is by CrimProf Michelle J. Anderson of Villanova, one of the legal academy's most perceptive and prolific scholars in this area. Her latest work The Legacy of the Prompt Complaint Requirement, Corroboration Requirement, and Cautionary Instructions on Campus Sexual Assault proposes a number of reforms to make institututional discipline more efficient. (CrimProf blogged an expose of UVa's system). One startling point in the paper was that no reliable statistics exist on the frequency of false rape claims: "As a scientific matter, the frequency of false rape complaints to police or other legal authorities remains unknown." (See pages 33-35). Professor Anderson's conclusion is noteworthy in light of the often repeated claim of advocates that this information is known definitively: "false accusations account for only 2% of all reported sexual assaults. This is no higher than false reports for other crimes." Although the article asserts that "no study has ever been published which sets forth an evidentiary basis for the ‘two percent false rape complaint’ thesis," even universities repeat this statistic, and it shows up in such important venues as the legislative history of VAWA. Pub. L. 102-199, S. Rep. 102-197 n.48 (Oct. 29, 1991)."
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/2004/12/2_false_rape_st.html
Feminist legal scholar Prof. Gruber, cited in the post, bought into this.
Yet, I am called a "rape apologist."
Wow!
Thanks, Axel.
Steve, the problem is that think there is no room for concern about both rape and false rape claims, as if advocating on behalf of the victims of the latter hurts victims of the former. To them, it's a zero sum game.
Sadly, their concern isn't really about helping people. It's about making a politicized statement, about patriarchy, and oppression of women in general, etc.
You are welcome, Archivist.
Has there ever been a single woman who has failed to "come forward" because some rape claims are false? Is there any evidence for that?
Axel: No.
And since when do we combat serious criminality in one realm by ignoring it in another?
%99 of false rape accusations go unreported
because the (accused) are afraid of publicity.
On the face of it this statement seems preposterous.
After some consideration
it makes sense.
(as much sense as the false stats about unreported rapes)or more.
No anonymous protection to hide behind.
Besides who would take the complaint?
-recluse-
"LiveJournal.com is currently undergoing scheduled maintenance. We'll be back as soon as we can!
Thank you for your patience. "
Looks like our fictional antagonist does not desire feedback.
-recluse-
Slinking away?
Ha! I went to sleep because it was after 2 a.m.
As for LJ being down for a bit - I don't own LJ, so I really don't have any control over that.
Anyway, your site annoyed me and I thought it was worth making fun of.
My site annoyed you and you thought it was worth making fun of.
All in all that seems fair to me and if nothing else prompted an interesting discussion and food for thought.
Bart (real, not fictional name.)
WBALHomepage > Baltimore News
Audit: Half Of Discarded Rape Claims Misclassified
Rawlings-Blake Asked For Review In June
POSTED: 8:28 am EST December 2, 2010
Comments (3)BALTIMORE -- An audit shows more than half of nearly 100 rape reports that Baltimore police deemed false or baseless have been reclassified as rapes or other sex crimes.
The audit was presented Wednesday to a City Council panel. The findings come from a review prompted by The Baltimore Sun that exposed problems in the way police handled sex offense investigations.
Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake asked the panel in June to evaluate recent reports of rape and sexual crimes. It reviewed 98 rape investigations classified as unfounded between January 2009 and August 2010, and found 52 should be considered rapes or other sex crimes.
Those cases and others will get a fresh look from new detectives
Dear Bart,
I am a woman. Many women read and post on this site.
Many women have brothers, husbands, fathers, Uncles, cousins,boyfriends,and sons who have suffered from a false rape accusation.
As a woman in this position, you do not speak for me or those of my gender who bitterly loath false accusers just as much as good men loath rapists.
I happen to fully believe in equality of the sexes. I believe evil is distributed evenly between the two.
I believe rape and false rape accusations are just about equal in number. Being falsely accused of rape is rape, in the same varying degrees.
So go crawl back under your rock and count yourself lucky no one has made an example of you yet.
- Lisa
One last thought for you, Bart.
Those falsely accused of rape may be posting anonymously because of legal issues.
There are many "cowards" rotting in prison and suffering silently with lifelong punishment for a crime they did not commit.
That's the beauty of a false accusation - it's complete devastation. For life.
That's a power trip YOU are not privy to, MR. Bart. All the sucking up in the world will not save you should you piss off the wrong "victim".
- Lisa
Lisa
I love you...I wish all women thought like you do!
It is a waste of time dignifying the Barts of this world with patiently explaining the logical flaws in their position, when it is clear they have no interest in a substantive discussion of the merits of anything.
People like that are simply pissed off that their preferred worldview is crumbling around them. Those who have devoted their lives and energy and emotion to preferred causes and grievances don't like being proven wrong. It means their life has been a waste of time.
Feminism is intellectually and morally bankrupt. This is demonstrated time and again by the fact that whenever they are confronted with contrary evidence, all they can offer is the same lame ad hominems and mindless abuse.
I left a bunch of links on his website about false rape allegations/studies Im guessing I probably will not get a response though.
Must be nice to be "annoyed" by something, but you can't back it up with any objectively verifiable information, eh, Bart?
I don't think a random internet clown named Bart is going to win any arguments with Archivist. Not a fair fight and not worth the words. Then again, I doubt there are many people on Earth who could win an argument with Archivist.
Anyway, you do an incredible job here. Always on point. If we lived in a just society you'd be writing for a major newspaper.
Bart Calendar said:
"While I may disagree with the subject matter of this blog...."
This is interesting. Tell us why you disagree.
Why are you so threatened by people who have been falsely accused of rape?
Is it guilt? Is that it?
Did you, at one time, falsely accuse someone of rape?
And when you see a blog like this one it reminds you of what you did to that person in your past?
Level with us. We're here to listen and to help.
Bart, just checked my email -- nothing from you.
As I expected.
I find it incredibly amusing that Bart apparently fancies himself as a defender of women. If you want to see what a misogynistic looks like, check our Bart's blog. It is filled with instances where he objectifies women as sex objects. Nice, Bart. Your mother must be so very proud that she raised a son who views women as pieces of meat.
"I find it incredibly amusing that Bart apparently fancies himself as a defender of women."
Does he, though? Bart seems qualitatively different from the typical feminist trolls we get. The "vodka, cigs and pussy" line kind of gives the game away.
Archivist, have you heard from the Jackass yet? We should sponsor a debate.
Latest Bart Calendar quotes from his blog:
"I can't believe how must text they devoted to flaming me."
"It's ridiculously amusing."
"Rape apologists hate me!"
"Oh no!"
"It makes me want to find White Power blogs and see if I can provoke them too!"
"I wonder if somewhere out there is a White Power Rape Apologist Blog, because that would really be perfect."
"Yes.. I know I'm asking for it (but I'm only wearing this short skirt because my pants are in the laundry.)"
"To be honest my main beef with the site was their post disputing the currently accepted percentage of false rape claims."
"I spent 10 years as a crime and courthouse reporter for Gannett and worked with the cops on a detailed level."
"Yes, there are some false rape reports, but they are a very small number. Much, much more common are women coming in with real rape reports and then coming back and recounting when they realize that they will be humiliated on the stand (to be fair this is not the fault of the men they accused, this is simply the job description of the lawyers they hire.)"
"Anyway, the thing is that blogs like this one are part of what make women who are actually rape victims less likely to press charges."
"While I get the frustration of men (and women because I'm been at trials where women were accused of lesbian rape) who are accused of rape unfairly, I think the better way to accomplish your goals is through the legal system rather than in an online forum that contributes to the huge numbers of women who are afraid to report rape when it actually happens."
Some Bart Calendar links:
http://twitter.com/short_sadness
http://digg.com/bartcalendar/diggs
http://www.facebook.com/DrunkExPatWriter
His Facebook Site
Interests:
Reading
Rock music
Travel
Graffiti <----
Arson <----
Activities:
Traveling
Drinking
Travelling
Satanism <----
Killing <----
As long as we're quoting people, here's a doozy from the mouth of you-know-who:
"Even the stupidest woman who is raped after taking the stupidest chances does not ask to be raped. And here's the most important part: her stupidity does not in any manner lessen the criminality of her rapist."
Uhhh .................. stupid?
Why don't you refer to these girls as "innocent young women"?
Or, is that phrase reserved for just men and boys.
Being called stupid, isn't saying they are a criminal. Saying someone is a rapist is. Even when they are being falsely accused.
Feel free to refer to them however you wish. We however, understand, that if people took a bit more responsibility for their actions, like NOT putting themselves in dangerous situations, bad things would happen much less often.
It doesn't absolve the rapist, but being intentionally stupid, isn't an excuse either.
Steven Berkimer, do you want to squash your last post, or do you want me to pick it apart?
Bart reader, go ahead and try - we'll wipe up the floor with ya. Like we did to your golden boy.
Oh me oh my
Another comment deleted?
Nope. We do not delete. Are you trying to say that all your intelligent comments get deleted? Try again, cretin.
As a falsely accused man cleared of the accusations made against me by a year-long police investigation and a grand jury no-billing, I can't/won't be bothered about Bart or his minions. FRS has been a great source of education, wisdom, support and encouragement as it addresses an epidemic of false rape and sexual assault claims. I'd like him to note that this site covers both men AND WOMEN affected by false accusations (as in the recent case of Tonya Craft http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=&q=site:falserapesociety.blogspot.com+%22Tonya+Craft%22. Until he (or she) has actually read every post and every comment on this site (as I have) Bart has no credibility. Zero. None.
Bart should also check his/her writing and thoughts for clarity, accuracy, precision, relevance, depth, breadth, significance, logic, and fairness.
When he/she can do that as we have done in many of the posts and comments here, then I'll read and seriously consider what he/she has to say. But not until he/she and his/her minions have done their required reading assignments (everything in this blog from 2007 onwards).
Hi quirkytizzy,
Enlighten us with your feminist wisdom. Make our day. We need a good laugh.
I am very flattered that you think I have "minions."
No greater compliment has ever been made to me.
That said I find it weird that you guys seem to think I'm hiding from you or failing to respond.
I've responded when you've contacted me on my blog and I take your invitation to have a chance to post a blog entry on this blog seriously.
I was, however, spending most of my day today Christmas shopping. Give me till Sunday or Monday and I'll have a post for you guys.
And, I'll extend the favor. If you let me post an entry on your blog (and to be fair, I think you will, while Peirce and I disagree, it's clear to me he plays fair) I'll let you guys send me a post that I'll post on my blog as well.
We disagree, but that doesn't mean that the conversation shouldn't happen.
Bart
"When he/she can do that as we have done in many of the posts and comments here, then I'll read and seriously consider what he/she has to say. But not until he/she and his/her minions have done their required reading assignments (everything in this blog from 2007 onwards)."
Unfortunately (and I do believe you are sincere), any challenging comments on this blog are bumped. So you really don't have an accurate barometer.
For instance, after archivist's 5:24, we addressed numerous issues, ALL of which were deleted.
Were comments deleted?
If so, I retract my offer to try to have a post exchange, because I've left all comments on my blog.
That said, they seem to have left my comments here.
What comments were deleted?
I don't think it was deleted intentionally. I am a supporter this blog and sometimes my posts are deleted. It's a bug in the software somewhere.
I am so honored! I have received a call-out by name in which to join this fine establishment of men (and apparently women) who are so blown away by the fact that despite acting like jerks to women they can't get laid without using some form of coercion (and then being taken aback - AGAHST! - when it's called rape!).
What a warm welcome I have received! *curtsies, as befits a tiny little woman such as I*
Curiously enough, I'd found this blog earlier this week, left a comment in passing, and then moved on. But we all know it's so hard to resist returning to the scene of the crime, so here I am.
Enlighten you, you ask? Oh, hardly. Would I dare lay wisdom at the feet of such adoring men? (Not that the visual doesn't appeal to many of you, I'm sure.)
But no, here I am, simply beside myself with typical feminine flattery that you boys thought of me at all....
"I find it incredibly amusing that Bart apparently fancies himself as a defender of women. If you want to see what a misogynistic looks like, check our Bart's blog. It is filled with instances where he objectifies women as sex objects. Nice, Bart. Your mother must be so very proud that she raised a son who views women as pieces of meat."
You obviously don't understand the modern PC religion. It doesn't matter how selfishly or irresponsibly you behave, so long as you hold the correct opinions on certain key issues you are instantly redeemed. Just take a quick dip in the PC holy water, and your sins are washed away!
There are no moral assets except opinions. And there is no such thing as an unforgivable sin, except holding the wrong view on certain key litmus issues (like maybe global warming, in which case you are evil scum that deserves to burn in hell).
Hi Teressa!
I am so honored too! Hey, did you even read the title of this blog? It's FALSE rape. Get it? That means that there are actually SOME women out there that falsify rape for various reasons as pointed out to you on Mr. Bart's blog.
It looks like that you see rape as being very, very black and white, but unfortunately, it's not. It’s is very gray. That's why this site exists to educate people like you to the flip side of the record and how bias society is towards criminalizing innocent men.
You see Teressa, not all men who have been accused of rape are actually guilty, many are falsely accused.
I hope you will continue to learn the other side of the story by coming here and posting and reading. Thanks for stopping by.
Teressa,
I'll warn you one time, that if you EVER accuse someone on this blog of rape again, I'll ban you. Period.
"For instance, after archivist's 5:24, we addressed numerous issues, ALL of which were deleted."
Um, right. And I suppose I just happened to delete all the comments where "Bart reader" said something in some measure coherent. But I allowed his impenetrable blather to stay on the thread.
For those who are bothering to read this blog, and these comments for the first time, please take note of the type of fanaticism that we see on a daily basis.
It is precisely why the comments to this thread were left open.
Teressa is a very good example of the level of hate that we experience on a daily basis, simply because we advocate for a group of people, who are diminished, if they aren't completely overlooked. She makes our point, as to why we exist, better than we ever could.
So for that, thank you teressa.
Just ban her and the rest of them, Steven. I grow weary of playing with them.
Teressa, make sure you're not driving in that condition. You'll kill someone. There's an old legal term for your kind of argument: "horseshit."
I mean, seriously, what the hell is going on with these people? Not one of them -- from Bart on down -- has uttered a single thing that makes any sense. I admire their smug chutzpah,though. And I am amazed at myself for tolerating this as long as I have.
Bart, ya gotta come up with a better straw man next time, OK? A woman never "asks" to be raped -- by virtue of her dress, her level of intoxication, her speech, her "feminine wiles," or anything else.
So you don't believe that the average female is asking for male attention most of the time by her manner and actions? Sure, that is not the same thing as asking to be raped but let's be real here. All of us are just a hair's breath above the animal level when it comes to instinctual drives like reproduction and sex. If a female is not interested in having sex then she should behave and dress in a manner to discourage any attention otherwise she IS asking for sexual attention from a man. The problem with females is that they want the attention and throw out a net to see how many men they can attract so that they can pick and chose who they want. The problem with this is that they're going to get a lot of men attracted to them who they consider inferior and want to reject. These are the naive men who get charged with things like "harassment" and "stalking" when in their own mind were just responding to the female's mating signals.In some extreme cases they may even be charged with "rape" if the female after having sex later thinks the man was beneath her criteria or that he may have exagerated his wealth or status. In femthink this is "rape". Even an Alpha can be charged with "rape" if he has sex with a female and then has sex with another one the next day and they both find out eg. WikiLeaks case It's odd isn't it that this never happens when a female behaves like a whore and does the same thing.
Listening to these idiots is pretty much identical to listening to the male hating mainstream media.
I have the left following on "barts_callender" yesterday with no response from anyone yet (it is a two part comment).
"You try to claim that there is only a small minority of false rape claims, well please back that up because every study I have seen concludes the false rape is a huge problem that destorys men/boys lives and its pretty disgusting that you dont seem to care too much.
Here is the US Air Force Study the concludes 60% of rape allegations to be false.
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
From link
"The McDowell report has itself generated controversy even though, when rape is a frequent media topic, it is not widely known. Its calculations are no doubt problematic enough to raise serious questions. If, out of 556 rape allegations, 256 could not be conclusively verified as rape, then a large number, 46%, entered a gray area within which more than a few, if not all, of the accusations could have been authentic. If so, the 27% false allegation figure obtained from the remaining 300 cases could be badly skewed. Moreover, the study itself focused on a possibly non-representative population of military personnel.
The McDowell team did in fact address these questions in follow-up studies. They recruited independent reviewers who were given 25 criteria derived from the profiles of the women who openly admitted making a false allegation. If all three reviewers agreed that the rape allegation was false, it was then listed by that description. The result: 60% of the accusations were identified as false. McDowell also took his study outside the military by examining police files from a major midwestern and a southwestern city. He found that the finding of 60% held (Farrell, 1993, pp. 321-329)."
Eugene J. Kanin False rape study concluding 41% of rapes to be false allegations
http://falserapearchives.blogspot.com/2009/06/archives-of-sexual-behavior-feb-1994.html
And here is the link to how feminists (like you) came up with their baseless 2% number that you hear often from them.
http://llr.lls.edu/volumes/v33-issue3/greer.pdf
Here is the link to the Orlando Police saying the "false reporting has reached and EPIDEMIC (my emphasis) level.
http://www.wesh.com/news/23991233/detail.html
This came after an 18 year old lied about being raped.
And someone mentioned here about the FBI report concluding only 8% of rapes to be false. That is a higly inaccurate "study" firstly the FBI knows the number of women who reported they were raped, but not whether the reapist was found guilty or innocent. In 47% of the cases, the alleged rapist has not even been identified or found, or if he has been found there was insufficient evidence to arrest him. The remaining 53% were arested, but the FBI doesnt recieve data as to whether they were eventually found guilty or innocent(myth of male power pg 323).
Here are some cases (that you probably wont give a damn about) that shows how much damage a false rape can do to someones (males) life.
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3316
"Two young lives destroyed -- one of the boys was killed -- because of a girl's rape lie another is off to prison for killing the boy. She, of course, serves no jail time."
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/08/25/bc-vigillante-killing-courtenay-clinton-fredrick-martin.html?ref=rss
from link
"A 19-year-old man from Courtenay, B.C., has been sentenced to seven years in prison for a vigilante killing sparked by a false allegation of rape.
Clifford Frederic Martin pleaded guilty to manslaughter after he admitted to beating 19-year-old Cory Headen in the head with a baseball bat as he lay sleeping in his bed."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1283234/One-man-killed-life-destroyed-All-girl-falsely-cried-rape-So-does-say-herself.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Headline
"One man killed himself, the other had his life destroyed. All because one girl falsely cried rape."
I have left comments on "bart_callender" yesterday citing false rape cases and the US airfoce study (60% false) as well as the kanin study (41% false) as of now I have yet to get a response from any of his "people". I am assuming when facts are thrown in their face they run and hide.
I am definitely not expecting a response from manhating terresa lol.
Links and analysis of false rape studies can be found at glennsacks.com:
http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/?page_id=1334
Oh, and he is a lawyer so I'd advise against calling him a rapist!
Anon that was deleted: if you want to know what FRS believes, read the posts. Don't libel us again.
Truesword: The Kanin and Air Force studies were not MRA studies. Kanin was a femininist icon who suddenly became a nitwit when he did that study. With that said, even Kanin said don't rely on this one study as "the truth."
"If a female is not interested in having sex then she should behave and dress in a manner to discourage any attention otherwise she IS asking for sexual attention from a man.
Fine, Archivist, but can you be specific on exactly how a woman should dress and behave to thwart off sexual advances?
Hey, let's go to a party.
I mean if she wears baggy jeans and a T-shirt with yucky hair and no make-up, this would prove she didn't want sex? And, above all, she shouldn't dare smile or be friendly to those around her?
Anon -- I did not say that, and you know it.
Troll elswehere, please.
But what if Teressa's son was falsely accused of rape....
Or Teressa's husband was falsely accused of rape....
Or Teressa's brother was falsely accused of rape....
Or Teressa's father was falsely accused of rape....
Naw, there's no such thing as false rape, is there?
@Archivist
I dont think I ever claimed them to be MRA studies, but I cited them because they are the only known studies on false rape allegations, what other ones are there besides those two (and the FBI study) which I also cited in my comment on barts website but if you read it I also cited the reason why its highly innacurate (coming from Warren Farrels book "The Myto of Male Power").
SO besides the airforce study and kanin what other ones are there to cite...None that I know of.
Dr. Gross summarizes all of the major studies in an even-handed way:
http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/
Better link (I think): http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/
http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/
spring09/15/
Wow, that's crazy man. They should really try to do something to fix that.
Wow, that's crazy man. They should really try to do something to fix that.
Wow, that's crazy man. They should really try to do something to fix that.
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