"No evidence exists to suggest that something unique or defective is in the female condition that prompts such
behavior. Rather, something biological, legal, and cultural would seem to make false rape allegations nevitable. If rape were a commonplace victimization experience of men, if men could experience the anxiety of possible pregnancy from illicit affairs, if men had a cultural base that would support their confidence in using rape accusations punitively, and if men could feel secure that victimization could elicit attention and sympathy, then men also would be making false rape accusations."
Prof. Eugene Kanin, "False Rape Allegations"
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I've been meaning to post this quote for some time because I think it's a brilliant quote.
Oh boy - this will get a tomato thrown at me:
In other words, what this quote is saying is:
If men were women, they too would lie about rape.
I couldn't resist.
(hey, at least I did not post as anonymous)
ScareCrow, I don't know how anyone could say you are incorrect. Sure, when you put it like that, it sounds bad, but I can't say how you're wrong.
Scarecrow is absolutely right, but on the other hand, it's like saying if women were on average stronger than men, had a sexual drive greater than men, couldn't get pregnant, they would be committing rape.
So if women were men, they too would rape.
Women DO rape.
News Flash: Men DO lie about rape.
News Flash: Women DO rape.
Could it just be that evil is present in BOTH genders?
Equally?
Say it ain't so....
Davenport mom fighting to free son convicted of rape
« on: Today at 09:30:16 AM »QuoteDavenport mom fighting to free son convicted of rape
VIDEO: http://t.co/khMtA9m
DAVENPORT - A Davenport mother who says her son was wrongly convicted of rape says she will never stop fighting to get her son released from prison after discovering key DNA evidence was withheld at his trial.
Robert Harry Harkins was arrested in 2005 after a female friend said he sexually assaulted her after an all- day drunk-fest in Lowden, Iowa.
''He passed out and the next thing he knows, he's being arrested'', his mom, Vicky Apala-Cuevas said in an interview with News 8.
Harkin testified in his own defense at his trial, but was convicted in 2006 and sentenced to a mandatory 10 years in prison.
But Harkins family later discovered an incredible DNA bombshell left out of his defense.
The lab report from the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigation shows that Harkins DNA wasn't found anywhere on the young woman. In fact the report reads ''ROBERT HARKINS was ELIMINATED as a DNA donor''.
The sperm wasn't his.
''My son is innocent and the DNA shows it beyond a shadow of a doubt'', Apala-Cuevas said. ''They found other DNA from another man this woman had sex with prior to this''.
Worse yet, Harkin's own defense attorney knew about the report prior to trial, but never told his client or used it in his defense.
Harkin's mother filed a complaint last year with the Iowa Supreme Court Attorney Disciplinary Board.
In September of this year, Harkin's defense attorney Jeffrey Zearley of Tipton, Iowa was publicly reprimanded by the Board.
But Harkin, now 26 years old, remains in prison in Mt. Pleasant.
''Harry never had a chance. It should have never went to trial. They should have never arrested him until they got the DNA back', Apala-Cuevas said.
She continues to fight, contacting lawmakers and human rights groups, and News 8, anyone who will listen to what she calls a monumental injustice that has kept her son behind bars for five years, and counting.
In August ,the Innocence Project, A New-York based legal non-profit founded by O.J. Simpson attorney Barry Scheck said it may look into the case.
Sounds like the argument given for strength differences. "If women had as many muscle cells, same sized lungs, hearts, and red blood cells they would be running as fast as men."
Why indeed, if I had a trunk and weighed 2 tons I'd be awful close to being an elephant too.
It's pathetic that no one can simply say that women are just like this, but uses the cop-out mechanism of saying that men would behave the same way or do behave the same way in some degree.
"No evidence exists to suggest that something unique or defective is in the female condition that prompts such behavior. Rather, something biological, legal, and cultural would seem to make false rape allegations nevitable. "
What else is left if you include biological causes and use it for "female"? Why else would cultures place words of women at lower value than a man's? And how'd they assume that men need attention and sympathy as much as women do? If they had all the power, why wouldn't they have put down laws as such.
Meh, pointless and baseless.
I've recently been very close to a situation involving a male client of a crisis service making a false allegation against one of their counsellors.
Everybody, cops included, dealt with it admirably.
Men and boys can and do make false allegations.
At the same time I suspect women are still significantly more likely. For a start men and boys are rarely taken seriously when they do allege sexual abuse. Veracity doesn't matter. Most men would be aware that they are far less likely to be taken seriously than a woman. The likelihood would be that, if they are inclined to lie, they would allege a different sort of crime.
The reasons why women lie about rape are documented by Kanin and elsewhere. We have little guidance on what sort of motivations a male false alleger may have. Of the things that motivate women to falsely accuse, even according to Kanin, not all of them apply to men. Lying to "explain" being pregnant is rather unlikely for a start.
Ultimately what will probably drive it is the extent to which a liar expects they will be believed. Women, whether rightly or wrongly, have greater "believability" when it comes to sex based accusations.
If my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle.
If my Uncle makes false rape accusations he'd be my Aunt.
Gwallen - ”Ultimately what will probably drive it is the extent to which a liar expects they will be believed. Women, whether rightly or wrongly, have greater "believability" when it comes to sex based accusations.”
Not only do women stand a better chance of being believed, they also stand a good chance of getting white knights to take up for them, even seeking to avenge them.
This has been the case throughout written history, and we’ll never know just how many women have successfully made false allegations, nor how many men have died needlessly thinking that either they were defending a woman’s non-existent honor, or died at the hands of another man who believed that he was defending her.
Feminist research professor and author Susan Shapiro Barash has argued that women are far better liars than are men. I believe that she is correct in her assessment. The ”believability” of women which gives rises to the (too) wide public acceptance of the claim that ”woman would never lie about something as important as rape” is a matter we must over-come in order to open up peoples eyes to the dark reality of FRA’s. It’s one of the main reasons that I have decried the press’s seeming refusal to reveal the motives of women who make FRA’s. If only people were more broadly aware of the frivolous reasons for which women HAVE and DO tell such huge lies, it would help get us past that “female believability” barrier.
And, it extends to many other areas in which gender-feminists, aided by their deeply confused, yet always reliable “anti-feminist” allies have caused serious levels of injustice between the genders.
Here a couple of recent “choice” comments which I believe demonstrate a convergence of thinking regarding this issue of “female believability”:
”If we want this civilization to survive, then the “Cult of the Moral Woman” must be destroyed.” – Zed (http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/12/20/faithless/#comment-59864)
”In fact, feminism and so-con pedestalizers are two branches of the same ideology: the female supremacism or, if you will, the pedestalization movement.” – nothingbutthetruth (http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/are-men-morally-obligated-to-marry/#comment-4253)
The intent is not to harm woman, but to knock them off those pedestals so that we can take a more honest look at them, not as the demigods that feminism and Social Conservatism holds them to be, but rather as our fellow, equally flawed, human beings.
Excellent quote. I completely agree.
I'm not buying what somebody posted about men having a stronger sex drive than women, though. That isn't the case.
Anon at 11:39 AM: you are wrong. It's been proven time and time again, as firmly as we know the earth revolves around the sun.
Dec 22, 2010 10:59:00 PM
YOU are wrong. This has not been "proven" at all, whatsoever.
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