On September 1, Elizabeth Seeberg, 19, a student of St. Mary's College, reported to Notre Dame police that she had been sexually assaulted on August 31 in a Notre Dame residence hall by a Notre Dame football player. She did not allege that the player raped her but that he touched her breasts.
The following day, Seeberg reported that the player and another Notre Dame student harassed her with text messages after her initial report to police. Specifically, she claimed that a friend of the young man she accused texted her saying the following: “Don’t do anything you would regret. Messing with notre dame football is a bad idea.”
Sadly, nine days after making her initial police report, Ms. Seeburg committed suicide. Seeberg had suffered emotional difficulties in the past. "[Seeberg] had struggled with an anxiety disorder and depression since her freshman year at Loyola Academy [high school]. She made the varsity cheerleading squad at the school, but started having what first seemed like asthma symptoms that were really panic attacks. She felt better once she transferred to a public school where she was under less pressure. According to the records her family gave me, she'd fought back suicidal thoughts periodically since high school, too." http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/17/lizzy-seebergs-family-feels-violated-notre-dame-football-star/
St. Joseph County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak announced this week that he will not file criminal charges in connection with either the breast fondling or the sending of the text message. Dvorak said "that an investigation by Notre Dame police, which was forwarded to his office last month, included conflicting witness statements and cell phone records that were inconsistent with Seeberg's allegations. Also, Seeberg's two statements to police would likely be inadmissible in court because she is no longer alive. U.S. Supreme Court case law does not support admission of hearsay evidence in such circumstances, Dvorak said."
"The content of the text messages does not rise to the level of a criminal act as defined by Indiana's harassment statute," Dvorak said in a written statement. "The student subjectively believed Ms. Seeberg's complaint was false and therefore he had a legitimate purpose for his text messages."
Notre Dame issued a statement in which it noted, among other things, that because of the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, the school could not discuss any disciplinary cases. : ". . . in cases where there is no evidence to support disciplinary action, our process guards the innocent from unsubstantiated accusations."
Notre Dame is being criticized for failing to turn the matter over to the county prosecutor until last month, and that it did so only after the Chicago Tribune reported on the story. Notre Dame claims it handled the matter correctly in accordance with its procedures.
It is tragic that Ms. Seeberg felt the need to take her own life. A writer at Jezebel wrote this: "One of the incredibly sad things about this story is that Seeberg reportedly 'feared people would dislike her for accusing a Notre Dame athlete of a sex crime and that she would wear the incident 'like a scarlet letter' throughout her college career.'"
In fact, no one knows if a sexual battery played a role in Seeberg taking her own life. Only the young man Ms. Seeberg accused knows what happened between them, and the district attorney explained that other evidence was not consistent with the accuser's allegation.
While this is yet another in a cavalcade of cases where no one knows for sure what happened, that doesn't stop feminists from using it to point up supposed larger "truths" about rape culture. In fact, the case can teach us nothing about rape culture, but it can teach us lots about rushing to judgment when it comes to allegations of sexual offenses.
After the story broke, David Haugh of the Chicago Tribune said the player should be removed from the playing field: "A guy who can discipline a player for missing a meeting should have the autonomy to bench a player accused of what could be a felony in the real world. The player is innocent until proven guilty, to be sure. But football coaches, especially those of the most famous college football program in America, rarely deal in due process." http://bleacherreport.com/articles/525934-notre-dame-football-the-lizzy-seeburg-case-and-poor-reporting
Did you get that? A writer for a major daily advocates that a big time athletic program rush to judgment in a matter of grave importance. Nice. You see, we've learned nothing from Duke lacrosse, Hofstra and all the rest. I wonder if Mr. Haugh would proffer the same recommendation if the young man accused was his son?
A writer named Dave Zirin wasn't happy with Notre Dame's handling of the case. "It’s a horrible story that shines light on something that occurs on far too many campuses, where sexual assault is part of the culture of entitlement conjoined with big-time men's college athletics," Zirin declared.
Sorry, Mr. Zirin. A disputed allegation by a witness who shortly thereafter killed herself and who can't be cross-examined by the presumptively innocent young man she accused scarcely shines light on anything, much less a purported "culture of entitlement." It was a tragedy, but neither you, nor I, nor anyone else aside from the young man knows what happened.
Then Mr. Zirin attacked coach Brian Kelly, and in the process, made sure everyone knew that a sexual assault occurred, and that coach Kelly turned a blind eye to it: "He’s the sort of man who turns his back on a sexual assault involving one of his players and can't bring himself to show sympathy for a 19-year-old woman’s suicide."
Mr. Zirin didn't just rush to judgment, he did a 60-meter sprint in record time. And he wasn't alone.
A blogger named Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux came right out with it: "Lizzy Seeburg, the young woman who was assaulted . . . " http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/notre-dame-freshman-commits-suicide-after-being-raped/. Thomson-DeVeaux continued: "As a college student, it reminds me of the desperate need for better mental health counseling, as well as a campus climate that does not stigmatize victims of sexual assault . . . ."
Jaclyn Friedman declared that Seeberg "obviously" was denied justice. http://www.amplifyyourvoice.org/u/Yes_Means_Yes/2010/11/29/Come-and-See-the-Violence-Inherent-In-the-System
S. Daniel Carter, director of public policy for Security on Campus, a national nonprofit organization that focuses on campus safety issues, was quoted without challenge in a major daily calling the Notre Dame accuser "the victim."
Blogger Pema Levy tried to mobilize her readers: "Tell Notre Dame to apologize for the handling of Lizzy Seeberg’s attack and to re-evaluate their protocol for dealing with sexual assault on campus."
Katherine Orazem wrote the following, in which she referenced Seeberg's "attacker" and declared Seeberg a "victim": "I’m not minimizing the tragedy of LGBTQ youth who feel driven to suicide by the ignorance and bullying of their peers. And I’m certainly not trying to play a game of Who’s-the-Most-Oppressed (note: I would totally lose!) But. I can’t help but think that, while people may see Megan [Wright] and Elizabeth [Seeberg’s] predicament as tragic, they wouldn’t have the same unqualified disdain for their attackers that has been shown for the tormenters of Tyler Clementi. They won’t because in so many ways rape and sexual assault on college campuses is not taken seriously. And all too often its perpetrators are given a pass because they are prominent men, often sports stars, who bring revenue and coverage to the universities who were supposed to keep victims like Megan and Elizabeth safe." http://www.broadrecognition.com/politics/will-it-get-better-the-suicides-of-megan-wright-and-elizabeth-seeberg/
Blogger Caitie Hawley called Notre Dame's handling of the case "the most disgusting cover up in recent history."
And on and on it goes. Once again, a presumptively innocent man, now cleared by a prosecutor who said the evidence didn't support a sexual battery, is widely assumed to be a perpetrator for no reason other than the fact that he is male and was accused by a female of a sex crime.
The lesson this case teaches is far different than the one the above writers think it teaches. Commentator Cathy Young summed it up when she wrote the following several years ago: "The trouble with the feminist position is that it seems to leave no room for the presumption of innocence when a woman accuses a man of violating her."
Amen, sister. Amen.
Saturday, December 18, 2010
Notre Dame player won't be charged for touching breasts of now-deceased accuser, but he's already been declared the perpetrator in the feminist blogosphere
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Disgusting.
The cost of these incidents is far graver than the harm done to the falsely accused, or to any 'victim' denied justice, or to 'real victims of sexual assault'. When rushes to judgment such as this occur, where there is no compelling evidence that anything happened, yet so many commentators insist we charge and prosecute regardless, then any sense that the law protects and maintains order in society is destroyed.
Even those who want to see unmerited charges brought about will become cynical as soon as they have their way - they too will begin to suspect that all police actions aren't related to truth but to the application of pressure by those with influence.
The greatest casualty is law and order itself. It is already grievously wounded. Only a few more of these kinds of cases, and no-one anywhere will have any confidence that the justice system and those involved with it are worth defending.
Thank god the female is dead. She's one of these mentally defective females who would be nothing but trouble her entire life and would cause a lot of misery to men and others.
And btw, even if the allegation was true, it's nothing and shouldn't even be a crime. Sounds more like tomfoolery that was invited by the female and that's assuming it was true and not a product of her deluded mind (probably) From my experience, females are obsessed with sex and are constantly thinking of men. Even the most innocent actions or looks from men are misinterpreted by females as sexual.
The media is making it out to be as if this woman was gang-raped.
Its all about the "Empowerment" of the new "American Gender / Raunch community".
Not unlike their KKK predecessors, the New American Gender / Raunch community gain "empowerment" by feeding off a "rape hysteria". The real perversion is That American law enforcement is now feeding this "Empowerment perversion" by manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics that attack hetero sexuals, and by default "Empower Gender / Raunch."
History will ask, how did the "Gender / Raunch" community get so powerful in the US, and i will be so bold to answer, that the root of the perversion lied in the unconstitutional "manufactured statistics" practices of the American law enforcement at that time.
America is now too politically dominated by "Empowered Gender / Raunch" to correct this perversion any time soon. So this may be just a warning to other nations, to not let their nations politics be "usurped" by devious alliances, and "manufactured statistics" from their respective law enforcement.
"And on and on it goes. Once again, a presumptively innocent man, now cleared by a prosecutor who said the evidence didn't support a sexual battery, is widely assumed to be a perpetrator for no reason other than the fact that he is male and was accused by a female of a sex crime."
While perhaps it's correct legal terminology, calling the alleged incident "sexual assault", "sexual battery" or a "sex crime" is still ridiculously hyperbolic language to use in public discourse. In medical terms, a paper cut is considered "trauma", and that patient with a minor laceration on her finger would be a "trauma victim". Which sounds way more serious than it is to someone outside that field.
When people hear "sexual assault", they don't think of some guy merely touching a girl's boob with without explicit prior permission. And it's not as though some stranger came up to her and groped her unexpectedly. Who knows how intimately they were involved, or what other conversations took place, prior to the alleged fondling.
Even if we were to take the word of a psychiatric patient -- so ill she took her own life -- over all the evidence to the contrary, this situation has already been blown way out of proportion.
It was already investigated by police and reviewed by a prosecutor.
What more needs to be done here?
This case is an example how even the most minor sexual offenses against college women are taken very seriously, not how "sexual assault is part of the culture of entitlement".
Let's imagine the reverse situation, and make it even more substantial: Several witnesses saw Seeburg violently grab this football player's crotch in public, and without provocation. Then he got hit by a bus. How far do you think that case would go? Would anyone anywhere complain if Seeburg wasn't expelled or prosecuted?
Anon at 1:02, thank you. I could not agree more.
"...included conflicting witness statements and cell phone records that were inconsistent with Seeberg's allegations."
Which, of course, is Law Enforcement PR-speak for "witnesses contradict her claims of sexual assault, and the text messages were either non-existent, or not of the threatening nature as she claims."
In fact, in the DA's written statement, we see the latter directly addressed:
"The content of the text messages does not rise to the level of a criminal act as defined by Indiana's harassment statute," Dvorak said in a written statement. "The student subjectively believed Ms. Seeberg's complaint was false and therefore he had a legitimate purpose for his text messages."
"Did you get that? A writer for a major daily advocates that a big time athletic program rush to judgment in a matter of grave importance."
Locally, a player for the Denver Bronco's, Perrish Cox, has been accused of raping a woman who was unconscious/unable to give consent. He was, as is typical, arrested and released on high bail (because, you know, millionaire sports stars are so likely to fell the country, or something...).
But, also, without even the benefit of any hearing of the matter, the Bronco's immediately fined him another $50,000.00 (supposedly for missing a team meeting while in custody, but, the intent seems clearly aimed at punishing him for his "crime"), and suspended him from playing.
I was not going to bring this case up here until more information was available. He may, in fact, taken sexual advantage of an incapacitated women. But, as it took a month for her to complain, and since the event seems to have taken place in his home, it may may simply be a case of a woman becoming angry with him after the fact (and perhaps for something not directly relating to sexual activity), and seeking revenge, or perhaps simply looking for a financial windfall.
The truth of the matter remains unknown, and largely hidden from the public. But, what is known is the "Grandstanding" by the Bronco's and the local press who obviously concluded that he is guilty, without having to wait for an investigation or trial.
I’m not minimizing the tragedy of LGBTQ youth who feel driven to suicide by the ignorance and bullying of their peers
Did I miss something? What does this case have to do with homosexual students?
a campus climate that does not stigmatize victims of sexual assault
How, exactly, was Seeberg stigmatized? It is mere presumption to assume that she killed herself because she was stigmatized.
@randian...
Nine out of ten youth suicides are boys. Feminists will do anything to avoid acknowledging this reality. Generally they will divert attention to girls attempted suicides upon any reference to boys' real suicides.
This is the secondary tactic. Imply that only gay boys commit suicide.
It should be noted that any death of any male in circumstances involving any female is likely to lead to post mortem denigration of that male. It certainly wont result in anything like this piece.
Nine out of ten youth suicides are boys and yet I have never seen an article such as this piece from Notre Dame relating to any boy who killed himself.
Anon @ 1.02
Medically, trauma refers to a serious injury not a papercut.
And as you said and which I was going to point out,we don't know the full circumstances surrounding this trivial event and whether they were friendly and fooled around like this all the time. Not exactly the same as walking up to a complete stranger and doing it where the stranger might get very frightened by it.
Dec 18, 2010 9:01:00 AM
Dec 18, 2010 9:10:00 AM
Do you even bother to read the articles?
What exactly should the police have done differently in this situation?
"The real perversion is That American law enforcement is now... manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics that attack hetero sexuals"
Even though you sound like you live out of a shopping cart, apparently you have access to the internet. So you can download the green book and actually read how law enforcement collects data, before posting any more of this psychotic nonsense.
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/handbook/ucrhandbook04.pdf
"Anon @ 1.02
Medically, trauma refers to a serious injury not a papercut."
Actually, it doesn't. It simply means any physical injury. Not that it matters. The problem in describing this tale of unrequested sweater-puppetry as "sexual assault" is that it gets turned into "rape".
For example, this article reads:
"Back in August, Seeberg came forward to Notre Dame campus police and reported she had been raped in the dorms by a popular football player."
http://universitychic.com/Notre_Dame_rape_leads_to_questions_about_victim_advocacy
But links to an article using the words "sexually attacked".
And this article:
"A university student has committed suicide days after alleging she was raped by a Notre Dame athlete."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332676/Teen-student-commits-suicide-alleged-rape-Notre-Dame-football-player.html
But she never alleged she was raped.
But wait there's more:
"Elizabeth ‘Lizzy’ Seeberg was the young lady from St. Mary’s College implicated in the rape by a University of Notre Dame football player."
http://chuckslowe.com/?p=11306
and ironically in this article about "poor reporting":
"Lizzy Seeberg, a freshman at nearby Saint Marys College, committed suicide in September, days following rape allegations against a current Notre Dame football player."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/525934-notre-dame-football-the-lizzy-seeburg-case-and-poor-reporting
Or these headlines:
"Prosecutors Won't Try Notre Dame Rape Case"
http://www.newser.com/story/107789/prosecutors-wont-try-notre-dame-rape-case.html
"Elizabeth Seeberg:Raped and Suicide Took Her"
http://j-aj.com/elizabeth-seebergraped-and-suicide-took-her/
But why end at rape:
"In memory of Elizabeth Seeberg; murder and rape victim of a Notre Dame football player and of an indifferent Notre Dame administration and prosecutor's office."
http://dc-sketchbook.blogspot.com/2010/11/in-memory-of-elizabeth-seeberg.html
Because, apparently, men are so dangerous they can kill women just by touching their breasts.
Why are all these reporters so desperate to make a mountain of rape out of two molehills? Perhaps it's because they don't have any real examples of college rape to talk about.
Her death is a tragedy, but there's a lot more going on than the simplistic comments of ND-bashers and feminists running to this particular flagpole. The poor woman is a tragic figure but apparently there were serious issues going back to pre-teen years. She briefly attended the Univ. of Dayton last year but left within a month. The "attack" involved her date feeling her breast, she saying "no," him stopping, and him leaving. That's it. Far from "rape." Several days later she was photographed at an ND football game with the ND decal on her face the kids wear. She apparently told some friends she didn't like the guy. That was it, at least publicly. It's a tragedy that she died, but to assume that ND could possibly react any differently to this particular set of circumstances is ludicrous, in my opinion.
"It [trauma] simply means any physical injury."
You are an idiot.
Here's what a trauma injury looks like --- physically and psychologically:
1. A serious injury or shock to the body, as from violence or an accident.
2. An emotional wound or shock that creates substantial, lasting damage to the psychological development of a person, often leading to neurosis.
3. An event or situation that causes great distress and disruption.
So let me get this straight- Her parents pull her out of a Private school because it stresses her out and then send her to St. Mary's?
She get's her boob felt by a football player in HIS dorm room?
We are ready to destroy a young man's life for being attracted to a cute time bomb?
Holy Smokes!
"You are an idiot."
Ad hominen.
The point is that people outside a certain field often misunderstand technical terms in common usage. And may persist even after they are explained to them. Which you just clearly demonstrated.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/trauma
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trauma
A surprisingly even-handed editorial from the South Bend Tribune (which is known around here as the university's paper):
Criminal justice system is for all, including students
OUR OPINION
Sexual assault is a crime, wherever it occurs in this country.
With each accusation, police, prosecutors and the courts should ensure justice is served not only for the accuser and the accused, but for every other citizen, as well.
The alleged sexual assault of Saint Mary’s College freshman Elizabeth Seeberg on the University of Notre Dame campus on Aug. 31, followed by her suicide 10 days later, renews our call for colleges and universities to refer every felony complaint to municipal police.
It is the job of the public police agency to investigate. The prosecutor must determine if evidence is sufficient for charges to be filed, and the court of law should determine guilt or innocence.
As it stands, Notre Dame and many other colleges and universities divert some of these serious offenses from criminal prosecution into internal disciplinary procedure.
Victims of sexual assault on Notre Dame’s campus can request that campus police forward their investigation to the St. Joseph County prosecutor, as Seeberg’s was. Or, instead, they can opt for the matter to be pursued through a confidential campus hearing. Such disciplinary hearing boards quietly decide penalties for offenses as consequential as battery, drug dealing and rape.
Notre Dame contends that because of federal educational privacy law, its police aren’t obligated to divulge certain facts of a criminal investigation that other agencies are mandated to report to the public. This lack of transparency along with the conflict any university faces between the desire to protect its students and the desire to protect its reputation as a safe place says to us that every felony complaint on Notre Dame’s campus ought to trigger a mandatory call to St. Joseph County police.
No doubt Notre Dame officials are right that campus authorities have special insight and skills for dealing with students. Resident life and mental health specialists should be allowed to support their students, both alleged victims and those who are accused of crimes.
Just like anyone else, students should have the right to confidential counseling. But if justice is to be sought, and served, students must use the criminal justice system that is in place for us all.
Even though Seeberg’s case was ultimately forwarded to St. Joseph County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak, who has decided no charges should be filed against the accused student, questions linger about why the investigation by Notre Dame police was not more aggressive.
Handling of the sexual assault case may not have made any difference in the freshman’s decision to end her life with an overdose of prescription medication. We may never know, but had this case been referred to local law enforcement immediately, many of the questions in the air now most probably would have been answered.
To the individual who was thankful for her death, you are disgusting, vile assant. Go back down to your mom's basement.
You bring up instances such as the Duke lacrosse team...really?...while perhaps there was no "crime" committed, those boys at that party were from from "innocent choir boys"...they hired strippers/hookers for a college party at which there was also under aged drinking and most likely drug use to be sure...oh those poor "innocent" lacrosse players...just trying to have some good old college fun and hijinks...with hookers, booze and drugs...let's hold them up as examples to be sure!...you're an idiot
Wow. You are a creepy misogynist, and many of your commenters are psycho woman-haters. What a disgusting blog. Your dismissal of the idea that there's a culture of entitlement for big-time college athletes shows that you are either blind to reality or just don't care to pay attention to it. I'm a man who attended Notre Dame, and I think the way the school very deliberately swept this incident under the rug is despicable. And if you think a girl in that situation would just invent a claim of assault, your idiocy is epic. This has no similarity to the Duke lacrosse case. The circumstances were completely different. It's a miscarriage of justice when people rush to judgment of men accused of sexual assault, certainly, but way more often throughout history and in our current time, actual sexual assault gets ignored or lawyers and establishment allies of the perpetrators blame the women instead of the assaulters. My guess is whoever started this blog and everyone who reads it regularly and agrees with its woman hating rants has personally benefited from the culture of entitlement and is either too arrogant or too oblivious to realize that.
I appreciate the majority of commentators on this blog. Your crude cruelty and moronic misogyny reveal that underlying the bloviating hollowness of the article's "defense of the victimized accused" lies a vicious, imbecilic, destructive urge to sustain violence against women at all costs. You are a shameful, pathetic, and dangerous lot.
Wow, there are some disgusting men in this world. And as a man I am embarassed. Being thankful that this girl killed herself? Sexual assault is tomfoolery? WTF? Makes me wonder if the men making these comments even consider women to be people. I hope there is a hell for these pigs.
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