NOTE: To all our feminist friends coming to this site on April 7, 2011: here is a post I've added to our site about a comment left under this story earlier today. It tells the world all it needs to know about you: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/04/i-dont-criticize-feminism-i-just-quote.html
On college campuses across America, angry young feminists, in connection with the financially interested sexual grievance industry, insist that sexual assault is a massive unresolved problem despite the absence of evidence to support this conclusion. They write blatantly dishonest pieces in their college newspapers about it. They hold seminars, spearhead indoctrination sessions for men, print brochures, and hold useless "Take Back the Night" and "Walk a Mile in Her Shoes" rallies. After more than thirty years of rape reforms, both underreporting of rape and rape itself, we are told, are still rampant.
Put aside that the dishonesty of these attitudes is breathtaking. To the extent rape is a problem, in significant ways, anti-rape feminists are the authors of their own discontent.
(1) If rape victims are not "coming forward," it's because of feminist scare tactics
Feminists insist that rape victims are not coming forward because they believe that women do not receive justice, and that they are subjected to a "second rape" when they report their victimization.
Put aside that no one can say if underreporting is a serious problem because the rape milieau is so terribly politicized, it's impossible to trust the "studies" that supposedly support serious underreporting. See, J. Fennel, Punishment by Another Name: The Inherent Overreaching in Sexually Dangerous Person Commitments, 35 N.E.J. on Crim. & Civ. Con. 37, 49-51 (2009). Put aside that the head of RAINN recently explained that women are not principally failing to report rape due to a fear of being disbelieved. See here. Put aside the fact that it's foolish to combat one form of criminality, namely rape, by ignoring another form of serious criminality, namely false rape reporting.
If rape victims are not coming forward because they believe that women do not receive justice, who is spreading this dire warning, and is it accurate?
This dire warning is being spread by politicized purveyors of misandry: anti-rape feminists and the paid sexual grievance industry. No one else is chanting it.
A blatant example, and a microcosm of this dishonesty, is found in the UK. Last year, the Stern Review, decidedly sympathetic to feminst concerns, said that it is a misrepresentation to insist that rape is not taken seriously, and that such insistence might actually put women off from reporting. The Stern Review explained the basis for its assertion: in the UK, for a long time, when discussing the success rate in prosecuting rape, the Home Office and politicians allied with anti-rape activists have cited the attrition rate for alleged rape, which is the number of convictions as a percentage of number of reported crimes. That rate is 6% or slightly less. But, the Home Office, and everyone, uses the conviction rate, the number of convictions secured against the number of persons brought to trial for that given offence, for all other crimes – murder, assault, robbery, and so on. In fact, the conviction rate for rape is 58%. Stern Review, see page 45.
The chasm between 58% and 6% represents dishonesty of Biblical proportions. The result of such dishonest advocacy has made it appear that law enforcement is terribly, and uniquely, ineffective when it comes to rape.
Importantly, the Stern Review noted that use of the attrition rate instead of the conviction rate "may well have discouraged some victims from reporting." Id.
Despite the Stern Review's well-publicized report, the prominent UK rape activist group, Women Against Rape, continues to wrongly state that "the conviction rate for rape is 5.7%." http://www.womenagainstrape.net/resources
It is only fair to question that organization's motives in light of the concerns raised by the Stern Review.
(2) Their fight to keep false accusers from being charged hurts would-be rape victims and innocent women
For every other crime, our criminal justice system is premised on the notion that criminal sentencing deters criminality. Generally, the more serious the harm caused by the criminal act, the more severe the sentence --except when it comes to false rape reporting.
The less we deter women who lie about rape, the more likely are women make false claims, thus reducing the integrity of every legitimate rape claim.
In false rape case after false rape case after false rape case, judges and law enforcement personnel bemoan the fact that every rape lies diminish the integrity of every legitimate rape claim. Yet, some prominent feminists have made it clear that they don't want any false rape accuser even to be charged for their crimes, much less subjected to a custodial sentence.
Lisa Longstaff of Women Against Rape has been quoted as saying the following: “Every prosecution [of false rape claims] puts women who have been raped off reporting it.” Another time, she called efforts to prosecute women for making false rape claims “a concerted witch-hunt.”
In New Zealand, when a 17-year-old New Zealand girl was arrested after falsely claiming that she was dragged off by three youths and sexually assaulted at knifepoint, Dr. Kim McGregor, director of New Zealand’s Rape Prevention Education, was quoted regarding false rape complainants: “I would recommend some form of therapeutic intervention rather than charging them.” Dr. McGregor claims that “someone needed to be ‘pretty distressed’ to make a false allegation of sexual assault,” and that “very few women made false complaints as a form of revenge.”
If women are permitted to lie about rape with impunity, what is to stop other rape liars? And what will that do to the integrity of every legitimate rape victim?
Aside from other rape victims, feminists have no concern about the effects of rape lies on those innocent women who love and depend on the men and boys destroyed by rape lies. Rape lies do not occur in a vacuum. Almost every man or boy snagged in a false rape claim has a wife, girlfriend, daughter, mother, female employees who depend on him, or female friends and relatives. When a male loved one is falsely accused, few women dismiss it as "just desserts" for an undeserved beneficiary of privilege and patriarchy. Almost uniformly they are appalled. It is for good reason that we include "women" in the subtitle of this blog -- most of the notes we receive telling us that a man or boy was falsely accused of rape are from desperate mothers suffering immensely because of the the rape lie.
Never once have I heard an anti-rape feminist express the slightest concern about those women. Never once.
(3) Their insistence on naming men accused of rape often hurts rape victims
Anonymity for men accused of rape is a controversial subject. Naming men on the basis of even far-fetched accusations is sufficient to destroy them forever. The problem of false claims when it comes to rape far outweighs the problem of false claims for any other crime, both in volume and in terms of the stigma. In contrast, anonymity for women who cry rape is taken as a given.
But naming men probably actually hurts many legitimate rape victims, and it is likely that more women would "come forward" if the men they accused were anonymous. Why is that? When a woman accuses a male acquaintance of rape and he is publicly identified, it often isn't difficult to infer who the accuser is. It is reasonable to assume that most rape victims would prefer not to have their identities revealed even by inference when they accuse an intimate acquaintance of rape. It is also reasonable to assume that the benefits accruing to women by keeping the accused anonymous would outweigh the benefits of naming men accused, despite feminists' repeated citation to a serial rapists named John Worboys.
But this problem has never been seriously explored and there is no public discourse about it because the primary intention on the part of those who insist that even factually innocent men accused of rape be named seems to be punitive, a twisted sort of "get-evenism" for the past sins of actual rapists.
(4) They make clear to rape victims that they have no civic duty to report their rapes, thus endangering other women
When bystanders watch as a woman is being gang raped, any person of good will is appalled, and we question what mentality prompts people to do nothing when someone is being hurt. In some countries, there exists a legal requirement for citizens to assist people in distress.
Yet, when it comes to rape victims, we hold them to no duty to report. Everyone appreciates that a rapist is typically a serial perpetrator, and that it is likely that most rapists will repeat their assaults on other innocent women. Yet consistent with the current philosophy to treat rape as a "different" kind crime, feminists have created a culture where it is the height of insensitivity and political incorrectness even to suggest that rape victims have a civic duty to report their rapes. Instead, they take steps to assure rape victims that there is no imperative to immediately report their rapes when they should be preaching the opposite. (Among many other things, they extend or eliminate altogether statutes of limitations, signaling that a rape victim may sit on her claim for a long time, before bothering to report it.)
But every failure to report a rape means that a rapist is at large, likely taking new victims. Is it not at all troubling that there is so little concern for these other would-be victims?
(5) They create a culture that encourages women to take reckless chances with their own safety.
We need to teach both young men and young women that the alcohol-fueled hook-up culture is a disaster for too many young people. Unfortunately, the prevailing feminist mantra is for young women to "party like the guys," without bothering to tell them about the "regret asymmetry" that separates the genders: women experience much greater after-the-fact regret than men do. Sometimes feelings of regret are translated into feelings of "being used," and sometimes feelings of "being used" are misinterpreted or purposefully misconstrued as "rape."
Asking the police, a judge, or a jury to sort out what happened in an alcohol-fueled tryst based on a "he said/she said" account can put an impossible burden on our law enforcement and judicial apparatuses. Nobody ever wins in that scenario. Even true believer feminists, like prominent feminist legal scholar Aya Gruber, admit that the criminal justice system is not equipped to deal with date rape.
Yet when these irrefutable points are posited, puerile far left ideologues -- whose idea of effective argumentation is to shout "BULLSHIT!" and to cite financially interested "studies" by the sexual grievance industry -- trot out the "victim blaming" label, as if their inapt and childish incantation could somehow shame the truth.
Thursday, December 16, 2010
Five ways the politicization of rape hurts rape victims
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One of your best EVER.
The financial interest is the only thing that can possibly explain why this keeps going.
Given that from early 2011, due to government cutbacks, UK women will only get free legal help in divorce/child courts if violence and/or sexual abuse is cited....
the FRS is going to have a shitload of new "customers" soon.
I agree with some of the focus here, but I have two problems.
The concept of the SGI, which is discussed a lot here. Is that a generally used term as I think I've only seen it here?
The problem I have with that term is that rightly I must count myself a part of it as work I've done in the past and some of the work I do now is with survivors of child sexual abuse and rape. I do a lot of reading, mostly in the healing/psychological realm, regarding this work. As far as I'm aware, there isn't a "guiding force" behind the work I do. Sure, there are various non-profits like RAINN and such that provide support, issue statements, but I don't know anyone who does the work I do who follows any of that as a sort of industry bible.
There is DEFINITELY some loosely connected erroneous info that floats around and is repeated by these organizations, but I have never experienced organizational pressure to kowtow to a particular way of doing things. Sure, there's individuals who are obnoxiously vocal, but, as with all things, we pick and choose who to listen to.
So, is there an actual identifiable SGI that you are aware of OR are you using that term loosely to describe some general ideas that are bandied about?
I completely get "following the money," but at every place I've worked, getting money to do ANYthing is a major crunch. Any kind of social service constantly struggles to stay afloat. I don't see millions flooding into my agency's coffers.
The other problem I have is that we aren't drilling deeply enough on the subject of WHY women don't report. If women are reportedly ashamed to tell their family or of themselves and want to put it behind them, it begs the question WHY? Why are they ashamed? It sounds like a superficial answer to some very important deeper reasons. These have nothing to do with false rape claims. As you wrote, these are actual rape survivors who are choosing not to report.
As I've written here before, in the work I've done, much of what I see echoes the research I've done. Shame and protection are the big factors. Shame of being seen a certain way (different for the individual) or, in partner rape, protection of that partner.
I don't argue your numbers. I like your restatement of the conviction vs attrition and I use that when talking with colleagues on this issue. It actually makes us more HOPEFUL. When I tell them the info comes from a mens rights-type website, more often than not, they are pleased that there is a positive message on rape rates.
Hard to believe, I know.
Sorry for the long post, but I'd love to hear what you think.
What do you make of this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339096/DPP-Keir-Starmer-declares-I-rule-women-withdraw-rape-claims.html
"In any event, if, indeed, some women are put off from reporting their own rapes because they've heard they won't be believed, they can thank the sexual grievance industry for spreading that lie. "
Dang, spot on - now that is what I call a MAJOR BURN.
Here is what feminists are currently doing to drive rape-stats up:
http://men-factor.blogspot.com/2010/11/feminists-concerned-by-low-rape-rates.html
I will add that this lies are also fueled by the idea that men can get away with sex in a way women can't. I do agree that some sexual situations are more tolerated on men than women, but really common sense tells you that even patriarchy had standards. Men could never sleep with married women without facing punishment, or if they sleep with unmarried ones they had to marry them so again it was not a situation when they had a penis and all women were free season without consequences. Modernly if a man would had cheated on his girlfriend with five women and got caught do you think he would had told her that he was a man and he can sleep with whomever he wants to? No. He would had lie like a cheap rug to cover for it, but he wouldn't had claimed rape (mostly because men can't get away with it like women can) so the only diference is that a less than decent women has rape as a way to cover for their own mistakes and uses it. Is very funny that feminism says it wants equality but then play the victim card whenever a woman is behaving like a shitty human being. Cheating and lying about it are not gender related girls.
Snark, the mishandling of that one woman's case seems to have been used by the sgi as an excuse not to credit recantations. The fact is, not all recantations are made for a good reason, and we've seen cases where courts refuse to accept them. My fear is that recantations of rape claims made in the context of an intimate relationship will become automatically suspect, to the detriment of innocent men.
Scarecrow, thanks -- I wish I could get away with doing some biting satirical stuff on this site.
Another piece where feminists tell us we need to remold masculinity into a form that feminists approve of. http://feministing.com/2010/12/16/making-the-links-between-street-harrassment-bullying-and-toxic-masculinity/#more-28122
Tell ya what, you enlightened sisters at Feministing: you want to change men? Tell women that they need to change the way they pick mates. Men model their behavior accordingly.
Snark,
As well, she either lied when she said he raped her 6 times (of course, there's never been an arrest/prosecution on that), or she lied when she said he didn't rape her 6 times. Either way, she lied. That SHOULD hold some consequences.
I agree, Steve - perjury is a separate crime to rape, and one she certainly committed. She should be held accountable for that.
Here's typical feminist diarrhea of the keyboard that repeats all these idiotic and untrue mantras.
http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/12/15/mooreandme-on-dude-progressives-rape-apologism-and-the-little-guy/
This creature doesn't think a rape accused should get any help posting bond. Great. He should suffer in jail despite the fact he has a right not to. All for the greater good of "women."
The woman who wrote this describes herself in this manner: "Sady Doyle started Tiger Beatdown in September 2008, because she was bored, and also for some reason no-one wanted to publish her various long-winded ramblings on gender."
Ah, the clever wordsmiths who think outrage and misandry are substitutes for reasonable discourse.
"Tell ya what, you enlightened sisters at Feministing: you want to change men? Tell women that they need to change the way they pick mates. Men model their behavior accordingly."
Is interesting that her study on the psychological effects list 45 women! Is that a significative sample?! Really science and feminism are only compatible when it suits them.
P.S. I'd ask "Sady" this question: why should a wealthy man have the right to get out of jail, but a poor man shouldn't? Oh, I know, those class issues -- typically so important to progressives -- don't matter when the issue is "women."
Anon at 4:04: if it were Prof. Kanin, they'd be barking about his "methodology," as if these nitwits have the first idea how to do research.
Oh, Snark, hold her accountable for perjury? That's just going to prevent other victims from coming forward, don't you know? She's a victim! Now, the fact that her oppressive husband has never been convicted of anything is beside the point. The accepted narrative is that she was sexually abused, so that trumps any little thing like "facts."
"Anon at 4:04: if it were Prof. Kanin, they'd be barking about his "methodology," as if these nitwits have the first idea how to do research."
Tell me about it, everytime a study with thousands of people say something feminists cry that the sample is not significative, that is self selected patriarchy influenced and so on...but when a simmilar study is done that supports any feminist point they praise it to the high lord above...Science is only right when feminist (that are not scientist) say so.Sickening (and I'm a woman and a Jezebel reader BTW so I know the levels of insanity)
Scarecrow: "In any event, if, indeed, some women are put off from reporting their own rapes because they've heard they won't be believed, they can thank the sexual grievance industry for spreading that lie."
That's exactly how the SGI got its start. Women did not report rape. They feared being disbelieved. Fear of disbelief is only ONE reason why women kept silent.
"Fear of disbelief is only ONE reason why women kept silent."
Whatever "fear of disbelief" existed was consistent with the fear that falsely accused men still have of not being believed. The difference is that falsely accused men have no choice but to subject themselves to the legal process simply to clear their names.
In any event, whatever relevance "fear of being disbelieved" had before the tsunami of rape reforms, it is not a valid concern today.
@Archivist:
"Scarecrow, thanks -- I wish I could get away with doing some biting satirical stuff on this site."
Allow my blog to be your playground - my contact info is in my blogger profile.
Of course, you could always start another blog too?
I have to poke fun at this crap - otherwise - I'll lose it.
Anon Dec 16, 2010 8:26:00 PM
"The SGI didn't just appear out of nowhere."
Well of course not. Haven't you ever heard of feminism? The SGI is really all about re-engineering society with the "rape" banner as a front.
"That's exactly how the SGI got its start. Women did not report rape."
No, the SGI got it's start because there wasn't enough rape in reality to satisfy the political needs of second-wave feminists. Putting a rape crisis center on campus gives the impression that there is a rape crisis...
Feminists preach that rape victims will not be believed and supported because they also preach that rape is vastly unreported. They need both lies, otherwise there either isn't a huge rape problem, or it is problem that is the fault of the women who don't report rape. It has to be a huge problem that can never be solved and can be blamed on men.
Social worker,
your comment went into the spam folder. I have retrieved it, so anyone who wishes to discuss that with you, is welcome to.
Thanks,Steven, I appreciate it. I thought I just lost it in the sending and didn't want to try to recreate it.
There was another one I think I sent as Anon by accident; much shorter.
No, I think the SGI got its start a long time ago. When you say, "SGI", the current branch groups are too numerous to mention.
What you should not be doing in the FRS is discounting the history of rape and the REASON why the SGI, in its very primitive origins, began in the first place.
Does that make any sense to you?
Anon,
Respectfully, we aren't here to support rape victims. We are here to support the victims of false accusations of the same.
The origins had good intentions, just like the DV shelters (Erin Pizzey comes to mind). The problem is, that in the late 70's, the man haters took over, kicked men to the curb, and started calling all men rapists.
I see this all the time. You shouldn't do X or Y. Well, in the current legal climate, I very much WILL discount the origins. Because they have absolutely nothing to do with where we are today. The hatred by feminism ensured that.
E. Steven Berkimer, my respect for you shot up sky high when I realized you had retrieved my earlier post (now 7:03) out of spam. Btw, my posts never get chewed up on your watch.
I still have to disagree with you on the connection between the SGI origins vs today's climate.
It's not that I don't understand where you guys are coming from. It's just that I cannot separate the chicken from the egg.
What really urks me is the latest FRA made by the "weather girl". As a rape victim, I truly resent the hell out of this woman!
". . . on your watch . . . ."
It's been his watch for a long time. You have something to say to me, then say it.
http://stfufauxminists.tumblr.com/post/4418747436/trigger-warning-rape-apology-rape-culture-sexual
slightly unrelated:
if you're so concerned with falsely accused rape shouldn't you also be concerned with falsely accused robber, murder, etc.? the rates are the same across the board.
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. The rates for false claims are at least four and up to 7 and 1/2 higher than for other serious criminality. You'd do well not to challenge on us on these matters because I promise you we know a lot more about it than you and your angry young friends.
P.S. Read your cite. The author writes like a puerile 15-year-old. You all are out of your depth here.
"if you're so concerned with falsely accused rape shouldn't you also be concerned with falsely accused robber, murder, etc.?"
It's kind of hard to produce a fake dead body, wouldn't you say?
And yet the evidence for an alleged rape is identical to the evidence for ... consensual sex.
See the problem?
It's a lot easier to make false rape accusations than any other type of false accusation - which is why so many more are made.
Archivist: it's probably best to just not let these comments through. We have refuted them endlessly. These people cannot be reasoned with, they consider their ideology higher than truth, logic, etc. Best to just block.
Agree, moderator. We don't argue with angry children. We teach them.
The problem is that there is NO way to tell how many false accusations happen, just as there is no way to come up with an accurate way to judge the epidemic of under reporting. Rape is a tough subject, it transcends numbers and statistics.
Just deleted a comment from a feminist stating "I hope your daughter gets raped." It's interesting how many feminists who drive-by here advocate the rape of women as a means of teaching someone a lesson. Every pro-rape comment I have seen here (i.e. "I hope you/a family member gets raped) in three years has been from a feminist. They believe that it is appropriate to threaten people with rape - to 'teach them a lesson' - for talking about false rape claims, of all things.
That speaks volumes about who they are.
"there is no way to come up with an accurate way to judge the epidemic of under reporting"
Then it's not right to refer to it as an 'epidemic' when it might, by your own admission, be no such thing.
I'd just like to say:
Technically, I am a feminist, because I believe in equal rights for men and women. Some people take it too far, but they are not true feminists in my eyes. (I'm young and naive)
I'd be ashamed of anyone who said "I hope you get raped". Rape is a horrific experience, one I'd never wish on another human being.
When you say there are more false rapes in comparison to other crimes, how MUCH more? Could you tell me, out of the number of rapes reported, how many are falsely accused? My research led me to about 12%, but I've only found stats on one site. Any facts, figures, papers etc would be really helpful.
I don't agree with your views, if I'm being completely honest, but I'm not going to hate on you for it - it's just that my experiences do not tie in with your piece.
That could be due to all sorts of factors beyond hour control, it doesn't mean you're wrong - I'll have to do some more research. I don't understand why other feminists don't take your writings in the same way.
I'd just like to say:
Technically, I am a feminist, because I believe in equal rights for men and women. Some people take it too far, but they are not true feminists in my eyes. (I'm young and naive)
I'd be ashamed of anyone who said "I hope you get raped". Rape is a horrific experience, one I'd never wish on another human being.
When you say there are more false rapes in comparison to other crimes, how MUCH more? Could you tell me, out of the number of rapes reported, how many are falsely accused? My research led me to about 12%, but I've only found stats on one site. Any facts, figures, papers etc would be really helpful.
I don't agree with your views, if I'm being completely honest, but I'm not going to hate on you for it - it's just that my experiences do not tie in with your piece.
That could be due to all sorts of factors beyond hour control, it doesn't mean you're wrong - I'll have to do some more research. I don't understand why other feminists don't take your writings in the same way.
Also, I know someone who worked at a rape charity, and when they reported all the rapes they heard about, lots of the victims went missing, committed suicide, etc. They stopped doing it because they lost so many - men and women.
So on those grounds, I don't think it's fair to say women should be held accountable for not reporting rape - or men, either. Rapists (45% of) tend to be husbands, partners, or ex partners. They are also fathers, brothers, friends, and aquaintances. Stats for "stranger" rapes appear to hover between 7 and 8 percent. Lots of these women - usually young women (61% of victims are under eighteen) are simply afraid. Not just of what the abuser will do to them, but of not being believed, of the intrusiveness of a court trial (they inevitably try and make you out to be a slut), of the fact that quite simply, their whole life will change.
And at the end of the day, rapists choose to rape. Why hold someone else responsible for the fact that someone hurt them?
I'm sure you'll think I'm wrong, but I'd really like to put you in touch with a rape counsellor or someone else who can explain the not-reporting it thing.
A school counsellor guilt tripped someone I know about the fact they'd never reported a sexual assault (not rape, but still traumatic - they'd just wanted to try a lesbian for kicks), and she then had to have suicide intervention because of the guilt, but she was still too frightened to do anything - they'd both been 12 at the time, she didn't want to ruin his life for something he probably didn't even remember doing.
I don't know a single woman in my family who hasn't suffered some form of sexual abuse, except me, and the scars are still there on those loved ones. It frightens me very much that someone I love has a very detailed suicide plan. Rape victims are 27% more likely to become prostitutes than other women, as well as more likely to abuse substances, and more likely to enter into a sexually or physically violent relationship further on in life, because they're already vulnerable. I'm not speaking from feminism but from love and grief for those I care about.
I'm not saying every case is like that, just that when you're in my situation, you will find it very difficult to judge someone for not reporting.
I do agree though that false allegations should be punished - they've potentially ruined a life. However, lots of women who are forced to report (by charities, counsellors, etc) will retract their statements because that was never what they wanted, and is it fair that they be punished for lying when they never wanted to tell the police in the first place?
I don't mind if you don't agree, I just wanted to offer some food for thought, and hopefully some insight.
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