When it comes to rape, political correctness gone mad tells us we should not even suggest advising our daughters to avoid certain situations where rape is more likely to occur (they call it "victim blaming" -- as if the mere admonition to "be careful" transfers blame for a rape from the rapist to the victim). It would be unfortunate if we similarly hesitated to urge our sons to minimize the risk of false rape claims out of some warped, politicized sense of principle. The long-term damage from a false rape claim is so potentially enormous that every reasonable effort should be taken to avoid one. Make no mistake, the onus for a false rape claim is on the false accuser, just as the onus for rape is on the rapist. But failing to discourage our young people from putting themselves in harm's way just to make a political point is something no sane parent should ever do.
Having closely studied the false rape phenomenon for a considerable period of time, we have compiled a short list of situations where the likelihood of a false rape claim is enhanced. We've run similar lists in the past, and we are constantly updating it. A lot of it is common sense. Sometimes, more than one of these situations is present in a given instance, thus increasing the likelihood of a false rape claim.
One important point needs to be made at the outset: the vast majority of women would never tell a rape lie under any circumstance, just as the vast majority of men would never rape under any circumstance.
Here are the situations to watch for:
▲Where the woman will feel a need to deny her consensual tryst to someone important in her life.
This one can't be overstated. It is the foremost reason why women lie about rape. In Prof. Kanin's first landmark false rape study, he found that the motive to cover up a sudden illicit encounter was the primary motivation for false rape claims. It is manifested in a variety of ways, but if you remember the general principle, you should be able to spot the warning signs.
If a woman feels a need to keep the affair from someone important to her, she is more likely to falsely cry rape because she fears the tryst will become known. How will it become known? She might fear that she has become impregnated, or that she has contracted a sexually transmitted disease, or that you will reveal the affair to someone and that it will get back to the person(s) she wants to keep it from. In light of these fears, some women figure that the only way to avoid blame is to make a preemptive false rape claim. It is cruel and heartless to the falsely accused male lover, but, sadly, it is more common than we'd like to think.
Specific situations where this occurs:
(1) Having sex with a woman who has a husband or a boyfriend. Aside from the moral considerations of interfering with someone's marriage or committed relationship, you should avoid this at all costs because it is ground zero for a false rape claim. Even if you think the woman is estranged from her husband or boyfriend, you may not know for sure, and there is always the possibility they will get back together soon. Too often, the innocent male won't know that she's married or has a boyfriend -- a cautionary tale about the dangers of bedding a woman you don't know well.
(2) If the woman is young, or if she is still under her parents' emotional thumb and they either disapprove of you or of her having sex. If a girl needs to hide the fact that she's having sex with you from a parent, as most teen girls below college age do, you are playing with fire. Moreover, sex with college-age women or older is sometimes problematic if she is still under her parents' financial or emotional thumb, and if they disapprove either of her having sex, or of you.
(3) If the woman would be embarrassed to let her friends know she is serious about you. If you are the quarterback of your school's NCAA division one football team, chances are, this won't be a problem. If you are a geek who's not very popular but who "gets lucky" one night while you're both drinking, you stand a greater chance of a false rape claim the next morning.
(4) Group sex where there was one woman and multiple guys. Think Hofstra. This is a recipe for a false rape claim. Ground zero, in fact. We've seen this multiple times. The reasons are obvious: how on earth can she possibly explain this to a boyfriend, a parent, or a friend? How will she hold her head up on campus? Most sane young women will deeply regret that encounter after-the-fact and will worry that if word got out, it would destroy what's left of her reputation. The fear of "slut shaming," as the feminists call it, seems to spawn off-the-charts regret, and that is a false rape claim waiting to happen. Men should never, ever put themselves in this awful situation.
▲Nasty break-ups.
Divorce and custody disputes spawn false rape claims in order for the woman to gain the upper hand in the dispute.
Spurned ex-lovers sometimes use false rape claims as a tool of revenge. If you are cheating on a wife or a girlfriend, a false rape claim is more likely, and many people will view it as a sort of justified payback.
These situations are sometimes difficult to avoid and give men even more reason (1) not to cheat, and (2) to do a much better job of getting their know the woman before getting serious with her.
▲Where it will be confusing as to whether rape occurred.
The alcohol-fueled hook-up culture is a disaster for both men and women. To suggest that couples should never drink and fool around denies eons of accumulated knowledge about gender relations. Couples often drink to lower inhibitions, knowing full well where it will lead. It's drinking to excess that's the problem, especially for college-aged couples and slightly older. Asking the police or a jury to sort out what happened afterwards based on a "he said/she said" account puts an impossible burden on our law enforcement and judicial apparatuses. Young men looking to "score" in that situation need to understand that (1) when women drink to excess, at some point, they lose the ability to factually and legally consent, and the breaking point is very difficult to discern; and (2) women experience much greater after-the-fact regret than men do. Sometimes feelings of regret are translated into feelings of "being used," and sometimes feelings of "being used" are misinterpreted or purposefully misconstrued as "rape." Unfortunately, it is the politically correct thing to urge young women to party like the guys -- without bothering to tell them about the regret asymmetry that separates the genders.
▲Big age differentials.
Older male, much younger female. A false rape claim is less plausible when it involves peers around the same age because the likelihood of a consensual relationship is greater among same-age partners. When a teen girl below the age of consent accuses a middle-aged man of rape, there is no possibility of legal consent, and actual consent seems less likely than if she was having sex with a same-age boy. Moreover, the older man/young girl allegation is generally viewed as so terribly loathsome that the mantra "guilty until proven innocent" is truly a reality for this one. Even when a young woman beyond the age of consent accuses a middle-aged man of rape, the initial inclination is to assume he's a lecherous old man, and that she would have no desire to have consensual sex with someone like that.
Teen boy, older woman. Sometimes women (they are often teachers) who statutorily rape teen boys will twice victimize them by falsely accusing them of rape. Such tactic has facial plausibility, given the male-as-predator stereotype and the exploding hormones of teen boys. It is especially disturbing that a woman would, as the cliche goes, throw her callow young lover under the bus in order to save herself. This is almost always a situation where the woman will feel a tremendous need to deny the tryst to someone important in her life -- often her husband, her children, her friends, the principal at the school where she works, and the school board, all at once.
▲Certain professions more readily lend themselves to false rape claims.
If you are male and are a school teacher, a police officer, an ambulance paramedic, or a cab driver, you need to be especially vigilant.
Police officers are at risk because some women charged with crimes lie about rape out of revenge or to claim that the charges were trumped up.
Ambulance paramedics and cab drivers are sometimes targeted by delusional women or women looking for an excuse for some indiscretion (refusing to pay a cab fare is a big one).
Teachers are forced to interact with many girls who are experiencing significant emotional and hormonal changes and whose immature judgment allows them to do things a more mature person wouldn't do. The ease with which a false claim can be made is a concern for male teachers, and that profession, more than the others, is attuned to these dangers.
▲The woman is unstable or ovulating.
This is often impossible to spot, at least initially. We've reported here on a woman who sent a man to prison for five years because she was bored. Another woman tried to destroy the life of a man she didn't even know with a rape lie because he wouldn't give her a beer. A girl accused another man of rape for throwing a flower at her. Innumerable women tell rape lies for attention or sympathy. Some women are just plain nuts, and men who are close to them stand a greater chance of being smeared by a rape lie.
Sometimes, the reason has a biological basis: ovulating women shift their perceptions, according to one study, "to decrease false negative errors at the expense of making more false positive errors." Thus, women perceive men as more sexually coercive at fertile points of their cycle than at non-fertile points. If a conflicted, ovulating woman has sex with a man, even though her outward manifestations of assent reasonably suggested that consent was present, she is more likely to convince herserlf that the encounter was "coercive."
▲The woman has no compunction about lying.
This one surely overlaps with the others. If a woman is sufficiently selfish that she has no difficulty lying -- to extricate herself from trouble or for other reasons, she may not even need one of the reasons noted above to tell a rape lie. Some women will tell rape lies to avoid getting into trouble for being late for work. Liars are dangerous, and are to be avoided at all costs. Again, this personality type will almost always be impossible to spot immediately.
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90 comments:
Great, great list.
I was a victim of the older man/younger female trick. Her mere allegation turned the courts, detectives and juries against me from minute one. I was stigmatized and considered guilty in the he said/she said scenerio. Luckily for me, I was only convicted on one fourth degree count. I say luckily with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, as it has harmed me severely. I would suggest everyone take a good long look at this list and pay attention. It can happen to anyone, anytime.
Thanks, Shaun. Our deepest sympathy. You have our support.
Shaun's blog is here: http://amotionforinnocence.blogspot.com/
Check it out!
False rape accusations used to be targeted towards mostly black males, but Now the Gender feminist klan (85% upper middle class whites), have expanded their targets to include all heterosexual males from 10 years old to 100 year old.
Dr Kanin says that one of the biggest triggers for a false rape accusation is that the false rape accuser was late for work.
My false rape accuser was paid a chunk of "victim dollars" she could use to feed her crack habit.
I believe Dr kanins study came out before the federal government started handing out ??Rape victim dollars??. My false rape accuser never had to pay any of the ??victim dollars?? back that were given to her, cause these rape crisis centers "Allways believe the women"..and i will add they always believe the women EVEN WHEN SHES LYING!!
Its a sick perversion of a legal system that gives violent, perverted, crack heads cash for their false rape accusations, that they use to feed their crack habits.
S - "Dr Kanin says that one of the biggest triggers for a false rape accusation is that the false rape accuser was late for work."
???
S,
Have you bothered to read Kanin's study? (http://www.archive.org/download/FalseRapeAllegations/false-rape-allegations-archive.pdf - see page 5; and you might wish to carefully read the first part of page 3)
Late for work as a FRA motivation came up in a recent story featured here, but Kanin mentions no such thing. It might happen with some frequency that we are simply unaware of, but it Kanin never makes any such suggestion.
And, victims aid organizations are not under the control of Law Enforcement - they are designed to be entirely autonomous from LE. Any perversion of these agency's (which I do believe are manifold) are not the responsibility of LE. [here’s a hint – the part I refer you to on page 3 of Kanin’s study is the part where he states that the gender-feminist SGI and LE are advocacies in the issue of rape claims – with the SGI incessantly whining that LE doesn’t believe all woman and doesn’t do enough in their investigations. Additionally, one of the primary “criticisms” of Kanin’s study was that the police force involved routinely suggested that the women take polygraph tests (seriously! Check this out http://daterapeisrealrape.com/Kanin_Study.html). Is this any way for “allies” to act, I ask you?]
"Sometimes there is nothing an innocent guy can do to avoid a false rape claim."
That is true, and I would say it is true in the majority of cases.
"The best way to avoid a false rape claim is not to engage in sexual relations outside a committed relationship. In my belief-system, that means a stable marriage to someone you trust."
I disagree with that based on the numerous examples posted on this site. A large number of false rape claims are when no sex occurred, or accusations made by wives or girlfriends. Many marriages or committed relations that start happy end badly. Speaking of the Kanin study, one of the most common motives was revenge after being rejected, where a women falsely accused a men of rape for refusing to have sex with them.
"the gender-feminist SGI and LE are advocacies in the issue of rape claims – with the SGI incessantly whining that LE doesn’t believe all woman and doesn’t do enough in their investigations"
I think you meant write, "adversaries".
What You Should Do If your Wife or Girlfriend Threatens to Call the Police and Make False Allegations
http://www.shrink4men.com/2010/12/09/what-you-should-do-if-your-wife-or-girlfriend-threatens-to-call-the-police-and-make-false-allegations/
Hope this helps as well.
”Here are the situations to watch for”
Thank you for enumerating these once again. One of my long-running concerns about the public perception of FRA’s is that news accounts far too often either neglect to or chose not to make mention of the motivation of the woman (or man, for that matter) who made what turned out to be and FRA.
As you rightly noted, the most common is likely the “alibi” motivation, but as we saw with Danmell Ndonye in the aftermath of Hofstr, DA Rice simply proclaimed her a troubled you woman, not a selfish woman who couldn’t have cared less about destroying young men to save her own reputation.
I feel that all too often the public is (deliberately) left with the impression that the woman who do make FRA’s are just a few random “crazies”, who are just too out of their minds to understand what they’re doing. The cold, hard, and completely rational (even if in a twisted way) thinking employed by many false accusers is completely overlooked.
Most people will naturally be averse to evil when they are aware of it. This is why I believe it is so important to routinely indicate in stories of FRA’s the motivations behind them. This allows those people who’ve not take the time to consider the issue of FRA’s to see just of selfish, frivolous, and, when it comes right down to it, evil that those claims often are.
Anonymous - "I think you meant write, "adversaries"."
Indeed. Thanks for correcting that for me.
I really need to proof-read more.
No sex occurred during my false rape accusation. The hog that falsely accused me of rape had two different loads in her, and neither were mine.
”The best way to avoid a false rape claim is not to engage in sexual relations outside a committed relationship.”
While true, this good advice is unlikely to be followed by most young men.
I think it is worthwhile to also mention the use of personal recording devices for young men who chose not to follow that advice.
Of course, most will easily recognize that video recording demonstrating the consensual nature of a sexual encounter are most effective (of many guy’s have been spared by such, even when they did not record them for themselves); I’d also suggest that an audio record can also be effectively deployed (and, more stealthily at that; and with no need to have proper lighting nor placement to capture the action) to catch any lack of verbal resistance and even verbally expressed desire for the encounter, or verbally expressed satisfaction after the fact (one can easily persuade either to be made).
slw said: "The cold, hard, and completely rational (even if in a twisted way) thinking employed by many false accusers is completely overlooked."
Everyone - make sure you read that comment. It is as insightful as any I've seen here.
Even when a woman is charged and convicted of false rape reporting, it is not uncommon for defense counsel or some purported expert to insist that the rape liar was merely confused, or that she was immature and did not appreciate the gravity of her lie, or that she shouldn't be charged because someone must be "pretty distressed" to make such a claim, or that she didn't understand the full implications of her lie, or that she had poor thinking skills or a personality disorder or had suffered a traumatic experience or that she was a single mother who should not serve a custodial sentence or that.
Generally -- not always -- the woman has one of the motivations discussed in the post. And most often, it's alibi or revenge.
If you are you a male in a building walking towards an elevator....
You see just one person inside and it's a young woman....
If you hurry you can make it before the door closes....
Don't risk it. Keep your liberty. Take the stairs.
slw said: "While true, this good advice [”The best way to avoid a false rape claim is not to engage in sexual relations outside a committed relationship.”] is unlikely to be followed by most young men."
Absolutely correct. I added that caveat at the end because (1) I believe it is accurate (though won't resonate widely), and (2) I do not want my statements in defense of false rape victims on this site to be construed as a defense of their hook-up sex.
My false rape accuser was of the "Crystal Magnum" variety; a crack head, all hopped up on drugs, that would run over a police officer is it was convenient for her to do so.
Then you got the "Peverted protectorate" like nifong who try to prosecute innocent boys in order to score "hysteria capital" with the masses.
I call these perverts like nifong "perverted protectorate", cause their efforts to protect women are misguided and myopic in their reasoning, and only serve to poison the well of Justice.
Anonymous said...
If you are you a male in a building walking towards an elevator....
You see just one person inside and it's a young woman....
If you hurry you can make it before the door closes....
Don't risk it. Keep your liberty. Take the stairs.
NOW THIS IS SOUND ADVICE!!
Anon at 11:11: I must confess that having immersed myself in the false rape culture, I, too, have had the fear of being alone with a young woman in an elevator. But then I think to myself that my fear of her falsely accusing me of a sex act is a form of prejudice -- I am prejudging a specific woman based on the actions of others of her gender -- that I just won't buy into. While I agree you need to be careful, I don't think we should be paranoid over it.
Anonymous - "No sex occurred during my false rape accusation."
As we hear from actual victims, it seems that a significant portion involve instance of no actual sex at all.
I wonder just how common this might be, and that we don't hear about it as often as it isn't deemed "news-worthy", even id such lies are exposed?
I think such instance fit in with the "unstable women" and "no compunction about lying" classifications.
From Kanin's study:
"Additionally, for a declaration of false charge to be made, the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred. She is the sole agent who can say that the rape charge is false. The police department will not declare a rape charge as false when the complainant, for whatever reason, fails to pursue the charge or cooperate on the case, regardless how much doubt the police may have regarding the validity of the charge. In short, these cases are declared false only because the complainant admitted they are false.
I would imagine that the news media largely follows this same model,and will not report on cases where it cannot be absolutely proven that the claim is false.
I wonder if this might not serve to obscure quite a few instances where no sex ever occurred?
Off topic: Just for fun, I posted this at Reddit Men's Rights to see the reaction: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ejkyz/if_not_wearing_a_condom_is_rape_is_it_also_rape/
slw, note that Kanin adopted a much more stringent standard than most people would. Yet, the feminists trot out their attacks on his "methodology" (every feminist becomes a scientist when the subject of Kanin comes up -- even feminist male cartoonists are experts on "methodology").
Funny, if he's such a nitwit, why did Mary Koss's landmark canard rely so heavily on his other work? The fact is, the man was a feminist icon who called 'em like he saw 'em. Unfortunately, when it came to false rape claims, he merely pointed out what he saw and they had a conniption.
Anonymous - "If you are you a male in a building walking towards an elevator....
You see just one person inside and it's a young woman....
If you hurry you can make it before the door closes....
Don't risk it."
You might be surprised how many elevators are now equipped with surveillance cameras, especially in newer buildings.
As one with decidedly libertarian leanings, I have often been appalled at the pervasiveness of the surveillance networks that are popping up.
But then I read accounts here of how men are saved by their existence in alleyways, at train stations, gas stations, hotel lobbies, and even outside public restrooms,; and I am forced to reconsider. Although they are very intrusive, they also capture evidence of men's innocence when they are falsely accused. This "good" must be considered along with the "bad".
THERE IS NO WAY TO AVOID A FALSE RAPE CLAIM. None. Even if you never have sex again in your life you can still be falsely accused.
Anon at 11:27: OK, have it your way.
"Funny, if he's such a nitwit, why did Mary Koss's landmark canard rely so heavily on his other work? The fact is, the man was a feminist icon who called 'em like he saw 'em. Unfortunately, when it came to false rape claims, he merely pointed out what he saw and they had a conniption."
Imho, what was most telling was their absolutely extreme response that women never lie about rape. They did not claim that most rape accusations are true. Or claim that false accusations are rare. That they took the position that it was utterly impossible for a woman to ever lie about rape shows that they had no interest in being the least bit reasonable.
And of course, they knew they were lying, which was lying about rape.
"From the Assange case, we learn that in Sweden, not wearing a condom after a woman consented to sex with a condom is, apparently, a sex offense.
If that is so, shouldn't it also be a sex offense when a woman lies about taking birth control? Doesn't it have to cut both ways? And why aren't men, saddled with 18 years of child support after a woman "forgot" to take the pill she said she'd taken, lodging criminal complaints on that basis?"
That is a most excellent point.
Archivist said...
"I am prejudging a specific woman based on the actions of others of her gender -- that I just won't buy into...."
I'm still not taking any chances, cameras or not.
You have to remind yourself the reasons why this FRS blog exists in the first place.
There are nut cases out there.
"THERE IS NO WAY TO AVOID A FALSE RAPE CLAIM. None. Even if you never have sex again in your life you can still be falsely accused."
Amen. That is sooooo true.
My whole point in my "elevator" post was safety not prejudice. I was trying to say, be aware and be proactive out there. Practice safety. Don't give any stranger an opportunity to ruin your life. People with personality disorders are always looking for ways to strike, don't let them. Finding an alternative, like taking the stairs, isn't extreme, it's just good common sense these days.
When you find yourself in situations alone with a woman, always think safety.
What about avoiding feminists?
In terms occupations, it is my hypothesis that a man who has pursued an occupation that is predominately done by women: gynecologist, nurse, massage therapist, hair stylist, child care worker, teacher, etc. are also at increased risk for false rape claims. The more one is exposed to women in the workplace, where a man is the minority, the more likely one will be exposed to those women with high conflict personalities and those with Cluster B personality disorders. Stay away from careers where you, as a male, are a minority to help avoid being falsely accused (of rape or anything else for that matter).
"What about avoiding feminists?"
Can you give some examples?
Teachers are forced to interact with many girls who are experiencing significant emotional and hormonal changes
Spot on. It seems to happen most when girls are 15 and 16, particularly if there are "father issues" at home. Male teachers are vulnerable at this time to acts of spite/anger/resentment.
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Interestingly enough, most of your recommendations for how to avoid being falsely accused of rape are very similar to the recommendations many give to women on how to avoid rape. One can take that to mean a couple of things, but I think it boils down to the fact that in sketchy situations where people should avoid sex in the first place, shitty things are bound to happen. That could be construed as victim-blaming from either side, though, of course. Blaming the person who was raped for choosing to get into that situation (like getting wasted at a frat party, for example), or the accused rapist, for choosing to get into that situation (like getting wasted at a frat party, for example).
I wanted to mention something, though:
(2) If the woman is young, or if she is still under her parents' emotional thumb and they either disapprove of you or of her having sex. If a girl needs to hide the fact that she's having sex with you from a parent, as most teen girls below college age do, you are playing with fire. Moreover, sex with college-age women or older is sometimes problematic if she is still under her parents' financial or emotional thumb, and if they disapprove either of her having sex, or of you.
In this situation, I notice you left out the parents. Consider a statutory rape situation, where it's a 15-year-old girl and her 18-year-old boyfriend. Perfectly consensual, but her parents press charges. There isn't a reason to blame the girl, because she's either going to defend the fact that it was consensual, or be stuck, powerless, under the power of her parents, as a minor. And that happens, a lot. But, in my opinion, statutory rape laws are questionable in the first place for a number of reasons unrelated to this blog post, so I'll leave it at that.
In this situation, I notice you left out the parents.
I mean, you left out the power her parents may actually have over her, not them in general.
You might be surprised how many elevators are now equipped with surveillance cameras, especially in newer buildings.
As one with decidedly libertarian leanings, I have often been appalled at the pervasiveness of the surveillance networks that are popping up.
But then I read accounts here of how men are saved by their existence in alleyways, at train stations, gas stations, hotel lobbies, and even outside public restrooms,; and I am forced to reconsider. Although they are very intrusive, they also capture evidence of men's innocence when they are falsely accused. This "good" must be considered along with the "bad".
What slwerner said...
Oh, and avoiding women, particularly young ones, on an elevator is not prejudicial; it's just COMMON SENSE. To avoid danger, one must avoid likely and dangerous situations; being alone with a woman, particularly a young, college educated (read feminist indoctrinated man hater) is such a situation...
"In this situation, I notice you left out the parents."
In this situation,I notice you looked for the first person to blame that was not the hypothetical woman/girl in question. It's ok to blame the victimizer when they have a vagina, that's called impartiality. Feminists really should try it sometime.
MarkyMark, you make a good point about common sense. Many times I'll have a client come in and I'll keep the conference room door open and tell one of the secretaries to stay within earshot -- I don't want to take any chances.
Thank you, MarkyMark.
Fight fire with fire.
Elevators are just one example. I'm glad to see that many people here can see the potential danger of being alone with a young woman who is a stranger (or even an aquantance). There can't be any "automatic trust" anymore of being sequestered with an unknown woman in an isolated environment.
And Archivist raises an excellent point of keeping the door open in cases where his trust could be violated.
Practicing safety through foresight is not prejudice, but good old common sense.
April, parent-driven statutory rape charges are a problem for young men.
Is everyone aware of the
case from several years ago at Milton Academy, Massachusetts? A 15-year-old girl engaged in group sex with five teenage boys in the boys' locker room. They were all of 16. We all know what happened: only the boys were expelled and charged with statutory rape, and the court ordered the boys to publicly apologize to the girl and her family, and to do community service. Alan M. Dershowitz, a Harvard law professor and criminal defense lawyer whose daughter attended Milton Academy, said: ''This represents the most senseless use of prosecutorial discretion I've seen in a long time." He added: ''The idea that these youngsters should be branded rapists and the girl should be labeled a victim is preposterous."
Read on only if you want to get your blood boiling. The 16-year-old boys composed and read their apologies to their statutory rapist -- the girl -- and her family, in open court, as part of their plea bargain. One boy read this: ''Not a day has passed since the incident that I don't wish I had shown more respect for you, myself, and everyone involved. 'I understand that by taking part I put myself in a very dangerous situation with consequences none of us had dreamed of." Another boy read this: ''Every day I am sorry, so sorry, for what happened. And every day I think of how hurt you must be and how upset your family must be. More than anything in the world I wish that I could turn back the clock. . . . All I can do at this point is truly and sincerely apologize for my actions and wish you happiness."
The girl and her family sat there stony-faced as the boys were publicly emasculated.
And that, my friends, is fairly typical of how society holds men and women responsible for sex "crimes."
April - "Consider a statutory rape situation, where it's a 15-year-old girl and her 18-year-old boyfriend. Perfectly consensual, but her parents press charges."
This is actually an extremely common situation. Fortunately, in most states, as here in Colorado, the more rational approach has been to remove any criminality in situations wherein both are at least 14 years of age, and if one is under 18, there is no more than 4 years age difference between them.
Still most parents of young girls (especially) will demand justice for their little angel. The police will comply, and forward the case on to the DA's office.
The fact is (and I know many here will not understand or believe this, but...) the vast majority of prosecutors do not want to legally punish teenagers for having sex (you'd probably have an extremely tough time finding any prosecutors who didn't do the same in their younger days).
Thanks to the "14/4" laws, they are able to tell those parent demanding than young men be charged and prosecuted can simply be informed that there is not existing statute under which to charge him.
While these parents will be sent away mad, thanks to reasonable laws, there really isn't anyway for them to make trouble for the DA's office (they are forced to have to deal with their daughters sexuality/promiscuity instead - as it should have been all along).
Sadly, some states (MA, for one) have not take the step to constrain the ability to prosecute what should not be illegal (there are, of course, some number of prosecutors who would happily prosecute young men - white-knighting mangina's and feminists have infiltrated most professions)
Well designed laws can serve to curb the potential for prosecutorial excesses.
Yet for a good many posters, this is the flip side of their ill-thought out demands that police and prosecutors "throw the book" at false accusers. They generally seem to misunderstand the fact that police and prosecutors are bound by the existing statues, and cannot simply make up laws as they go to fit whatever ends they may desire (the reason I continually point out the need for laws to allow felony level charges, as are available - and, frequently used - in the UK).
The "14/4" laws which serve to prevent the worst of the worst amongst prosecutors from going after the 18 year old guy who's caught having sex with his 15 year old girl friend are an example of why we DON'T want to give police and prosecutors the ability to simply invent new laws/penalties as they see fit.
They cannot make up the rules, even in those ways that we'd like to see (charging, prosecuting, and jailing false accusers, for instance). This is why "We The People" need to give them the tools they need to do so in the form of legal statutes that we demand our political representatives introduce and vote into law. [/civics lesson]
Alan M. Dershowitz said:
"The idea that these youngsters should be branded rapists and the girl should be labeled a victim is preposterous."
That's called feminism, Mr. Dershowitz. Wake up.
Oh, and here's one more for you Mr. Dershowitz, it's from a PhD feminist "scholar",
"All men are rapists and that's all they are" Marilyn French
@ Anon,
Don't be such a big meanie.
Don't you know how far feminism has come since those days?
Look at how much it has evolved - now, they say "all men are potential rapists." See? Feminists are just like fuzzy, cuddly teddy bears now.
New "Gender / Raunch" feminists believe all heterosexual sex is rape. This would seem bizarre if it were not the truth.
Could you please explain to me what a "Gender / Raunch" feminist is? I need to know.
"Could you please explain to me what a "Gender / Raunch" feminist is? I need to know."
Don't worry about Gender/Raunch guy. He'd assign Gender/Raunch as the cause for Hurricane Katrina and people get testy with him from time to time, but he's been with us for a long time and is one of our family now.
I'm more of a proponent of "Common Sense, Isn't." and am thankful for blogs like this that give sound advice instead of just saying rely on "common sense", which its lack thereof should be proven by all the conviction happy prosecutors who attempt to legally lynch men who may be innocent.
UK: 16 year old jailed after false rape claims
Submitted by anthony on Sat, 2010-12-11 03:42.
Story here. Excerpt:
'Merthyr Crown Court heard how the 16 year old girl had consensual sex with a 20 year old man after a night out in a nightclub, but told police that she had been abducted and raped by three men.
All three men were arrested as a result of the girl’s claims.
In court the girl admitted lying and perverting the course of justice and Judge Mr Recorder Jeremy Jenkins QC sent the teenager to a young offender’s institution for six months.
The judge also ordered that the girl was not to be named and as part of her rehabilitation her anonymity should stay intact, although all three men were named in court.'.
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16050
http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/media-centre/crime-in-the-news/december-2010-crime-in-the-news/16-year-old-jailed-after-false-rape-claims-8478547
UK: Reading woman convicted of false rape allegations
Submitted by anthony on Sat, 2010-12-11 03:41.
Story here. Excerpt:
'A Reading woman has been convicted of making false rape claims.
Emma Blunden, 21, told police she had been raped in a Newbury hostel in 2008, and, in February 2010, alleged an attack by three men at a Reading house.
A total of four men were arrested following her allegations.
Det Con Clare Larkworthy said: "False reports of rape distract officers from dealing with victims of genuine crimes."'.
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16049
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11956916
"Anon at 11:11: I must confess that having immersed myself in the false rape culture, I, too, have had the fear of being alone with a young woman in an elevator. But then I think to myself that my fear of her falsely accusing me of a sex act is a form of prejudice -- I am prejudging a specific woman based on the actions of others of her gender -- that I just won't buy into." - Archivist
But it is not prejudice against women to recognize the extent to which the legal system empowers women to ruin men's lives on a mere whim. It is simply a recognition of the system. (If the legal system gave greater power to men to ruin your life on a mere allegation, it would make more sense to be more cautious around men than women).
And even though the vast majority of women you come into contact with in everyday life may be quite sane, the odds are that sooner or later you will come into contact with potential false accusers. So even if the 1st woman you are alone with in a lift is not a potential false accuser, the 50th or 100th one just might be.
In this day and age, it is only sensible to be more cautious around women. There is no point in taking unnecessary risks, when there is no need or benefit.
"The best way to avoid a false rape claim is not to engage in sexual relations outside a committed relationship. In my belief-system, that means a stable marriage to someone you trust." - Archivist
I have often thought that much of our modern era's crusade against male sexuality (such as draconian sexual harassment policies, false rape allegations, rape "reforms" designed to make it easier to convict innocent men, etc.) are in large part driven by women who feel that the sexual revolution has disadvantaged them, and are looking to get back at men. (It is notable even amongst the number of comments you get from conservatives who tacitly endorse false allegations as comeuppance for men who are "players" or whatever).
It is more than a little ironic that sections of the radical left, having in the past embraced sexual liberation, have since been effectively co-opted into a puritan morality crusade against male sexuality (politics makes for strange bed-fellows, indeed!). Alas, the Bart Calendars of this world don't really get what is going on.
Yet, if men are to respond to all this by embracing marriage, commitment, and monogamy it would, somewhat perversely, send a message that such tactics are an acceptable and effective way for women to get men to behave as they wish. It would be akin to appeasing terrorism. And I, for one, have a longstanding and principled position of not negotiating with or appeasing terrorists.
Aside from the moral considerations of interfering with someone's marriage or committed relationship
If you're "interfering", you're coercing. If someone is going outside a committed relationship, there are reasons for it; coercion is not one of them. If it is coercive, then it may well be rape. Who am I & who are you to define and enforce someone else's morals?
Gender feminism has replaced equality feminism, and is the brand of feminism that has consumed many uber liberals on the east coast. Raunch feminism is the Raunchy actions and language of the new feminism.
for example, the guy "bart" here, i would consider him "Gender / Raunch", cause here we are discussing the perversion of the American legal system that in effect "manufactures faulty and inflammation statistics that build a prejudice against the innocent"; and this deviant "Bart's "blog's topic is "Well what about when folks are blowin each other, should they or should they not use their teeth"?
That is what i call "Gender / Raunchy", and the Gender / Raunch community now dominate American East coast universities.
"Raunch feminism is the Raunchy actions and language of the new feminism."
How does this branch of feminism contribute to false rape? I'm not criticizing your post, I'm just trying to understand.
Apologies if I missed an announcement, but what happened to Connie Chastain's regular column?
Anon at 11:01: Connie is on a leave of absence to take some of some personal business, and we fully expect her column to resume in February.
Zyg: interfering is not the same as coercing under the law or otherwise. And coercing does not amount to duress, and is not "rape," unless it negates one's ability to consent. Finally, our criminal laws and other laws are articulations of moralizing.
Nick, telling men not to ride elevators with women strikes me as a little too close to the NY Times writer who won't hire a male babysitter. http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/more-fear-mongering-about-males-ny.html
"Yet, if men are to respond to all this by embracing marriage, commitment, and monogamy it would, somewhat perversely, send a message that such tactics are an acceptable and effective way for women to get men to behave as they wish."
A lot of men choose to embrace marriage, etc., for religious reasons.
Pierce, I am not suggesting that there are many other valid reasons for getting married. But doing so simply to avoid being falsely accused of rape is not one of them (aside from the possibility of being falsely accused of spousal rape, or falling victim to other family law bias against men). Two of my close friends have been falsely accused by their exes of dealing in child pornography.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Raunch feminism is the Raunchy actions and language of the new feminism."
How does this branch of feminism contribute to false rape? I'm not criticizing your post, I'm just trying to understand.
Dec 12, 2010 10:57:00 AM
Its because Gender / Raunch feminism does not "Empower" themselves by extolling the virtues of their Raunchy sexual preferences, they "Empower" themselves by attacking heterosexual males.
You may notice that the "American Gender / Raunch" community, is not attacking all males, their targets are just the heterosexual males.
If you have not noticed that the new "American Gender / Raunch community" are "empowering" themselves by their attacks on heterosexual males, then you are paying attention to "new feminism".
correction from post above
""then you are ...NOT...paying attention to "new American feminism"."
In regard to people out there with personality disorders and other mental issues, there are other ways for 'mental' women to falsify a rape against you.
Rejection
One of the most dangerous in my opinion is a false rape accusation caused by rejection. This is when she shows interest in you, but you clearly are not interested in her. In this situation, there has been no sex at all between both parties, so the motivation for false rape is control.
"I'll show him, no one rejects me!"
Regret
Another false rape accusation that is equally dangerous is caused by regret. In this example, there was consensual sex between both parties, but for some reason(s), it didn't meet her expections. The problem here is she's under the strange belief that consensual sex comes with a return policy. She believes that she has the right to change her mind at any time and accuse the man of rape.
"I wish I hadn't done this and I can't take it back." "Hey, wait a minute, I know...."
"American Gender / Raunch community"
I haven't seen one yet. You've got my curiosity up. Where can I find these communities?
What is The "American Gender / Raunch community"??, and are they Empowering themselves by attacking heterosexual males??
Excellent question.
". . . I am not suggesting that there are many other valid reasons for getting married. But doing so simply to avoid being falsely accused of rape is not one of them . . . ."
I would be a lunatic if I suggested someone get married simply to avoid a false rape charge.
Yeah, one lunatic per blog is enough!
Just wanting to state my personal belief that whoever the anon asking for proof of "gender raunch" is quite possibly a feminist in disguise looking for a way to strike out at this blog
I agree donn, and rest assured their myopic, simpleton, tactics are near futile.
First they ignore you.
Then they violently oppose you.
Then the truth becomes self evident.
One way to test my Gender feminist "Empowerment" theory, would be to first cut off the flow of "manufactured statistics" from American law enforcement, and then to see if in fact they lose their "Uber-power status" on campuses around the country.
If Gender feminists do in fact lose their "Empowerment" when American law enforcement is told their (manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics that build a prejudice against the innocent) is in fact above the duties that the American constitution calls for in its "policing powers" clauses; If gender / Raunch feminists lose their "Empowerment", then it is quite self evident that they were in fact "Empowering" themselves from attacking and persecuting the innocent.
Raunch Feminism is a sub-movement of Feminism which believes females should be given the freedom to hypersexualize themselves, the sex industry is a legitimate profession, and the traditional relation between modesty and dignity should be abandoned.
Gender feminists typically criticize contemporary gender roles and aim to eliminate them altogether. In current usage, "gender feminism" may also describe feminism which seeks to use legal means to give preference to women in such areas as domestic violence, child custody, sexual harassment, divorce proceedings, and pay equity.
Gender feminism is an empirical doctrine committed to three claims about human nature. The first is that the differences between men and women have nothing to do with biology but are socially constructed in their entirety. The second is that humans possess a single social motive power and that social life can be understood only in terms of how it is exercised. The third is that human interactions arise not from the motives of people dealing with each other as individuals but from the motives of groups dealing with other groups in this case, the male gender dominating the female gender.
Anonymous - "Raunch Feminism is a sub-movement of Feminism which believes females should be given the freedom to hypersexualize themselves"
S?
Did you finally write a cogent explanation of your reference to "Raunch Feminism"?
If so, all I can say is, It’s about damned time!
Another good glimpse into the interplay of "Raunch Feminism" and false rape accusations was recently provided by Australian blogger Mark Richards in regards to the Julian Assange case (for your reading pleasure http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/12/why-sting-in-feminist-sex.html.)
I still don't see any type of correlation between this "raunchy feminism" or "raunch feminism" and false rape.
"....the freedom to hypersexualize themselves."
Whatever the hell that means. How do I get false rape out of that?
Anonymous - ”I still don't see any type of correlation between this "raunchy feminism" or "raunch feminism" and false rape.”
Really?
Did you read Mark Richards piece?
Let me try to spell it out the basics for you.
This sort of feminism encourage women (it aims at all women) to try to emulate the sexual adventurism enjoyed by a small percentage of men [it’s yet another example of feminists employing an “apex fallacy” in equating the most outrageous examples of male behaviors as being representative of overall male behavior].
This involves having sex when ever, where ever, and with whom ever they feel the urge, and to do so without regard to those old-fashion Patriarchal constraints which have long inhibited women from enjoying the sexual empowerment – you know, pesky little complications like marriage or other long-term commitments to a man.
But, the reality remains that women are even more prone to feeling regret after the fact than are men. They are also more attuned to protecting their reputations.
Consider two cases: Danmell Ndonye of the Hofstra hoax, and the unnamed teenaged girl from the story just recently posted (http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/teenage-girl-locked-up-for-six-months.html). Both involve young women who were in relationships with a boyfriend, yet chose to pursue the sexual empowerment that "raunch feminism" has long been encouraging of women. They both decided to have “spur of the moment” sexual encounters with men other than their boyfriends; but then, faced with those boyfriends finding out about their self-actualization/empowerment on the c*cks of other men, the natural regrets and desire for self-preservation (of physical self as well as reputation) kicked in., and they did what women in such circumstances have done sine the dawn of time – they cried rape.
So, to recap: "raunch feminism" encourages sexual promiscuity, sexual promiscuity leads to regrets ands/or a need for and alibi, which leads right back to the age-old FRA.
But for the "raunch feminism" encouragement to get eh ball rolling, their would be no regret, no need for alibi, and thus, no FRA.
Does that help?
Anon says they don't know what
"Hypersexualise" means.
I say,kid, does yer mom know yer on the internet??
Anonymous said...
Raunch Feminism is a sub-movement of Feminism which believes females should be given the freedom to hypersexualize themselves, the sex industry is a legitimate profession, and the traditional relation between modesty and dignity should be abandoned.
Gender feminists typically criticize contemporary gender roles and aim to eliminate them altogether. In current usage, "gender feminism" may also describe feminism which seeks to use legal means to give preference to women in such areas as domestic violence, child custody, sexual harassment, divorce proceedings, and pay equity.
Gender feminism is an empirical doctrine committed to three claims about human nature. The first is that the differences between men and women have nothing to do with biology but are socially constructed in their entirety. The second is that humans possess a single social motive power and that social life can be understood only in terms of how it is exercised. The third is that human interactions arise not from the motives of people dealing with each other as individuals but from the motives of groups dealing with other groups in this case, the male gender dominating the female gender.
Dec 13, 2010 10:41:00 AM
I SAY.....
THAT IS TIGHT BRO!!!
"I say,kid, does yer mom know yer on the internet??"
uh,i dunt no,kid.duz yer mom no u droped out a skool??u keep rightin that stuf bout dem gender/raunch feminuts.when u gonna stop??we all no its u,so stop it.we gittin tired of yer rants bout dem weirdo feminuts.we all no who u r anyways,u is scott.so git sum therapy reel soon mister scott,pleeze!!
I have seen and read that Most men and boys falsely accused of rape take a defeatist attitude, move to another city, then try to salvage whatever is left of their lives.
**This is the flight response.
To attack those that "Empower" themselves from attacking innocent men/boys, is definitely the harder path.
The harder, (but much more spiritually satisfying path) is the fight response.
The fight will be similar to "David versus Goliath", and my "Rock Between the Blinkers" will be the fact that American law enforcement has not been "manufacturing statistics" but for the last 40 years, and this phenomena not only fosters perversions of justice, but is beyond the scope of activities that the US. constitutions "policing powers clauses" calls for.
The American law enforcement (like most men in America) naturally, put the welfare of women and children before that of themselves and other men. The question for me is: To what degree do we do this?? and at what point does this "statistical manufacturing" become a destructive force rather than a protective measure; that needs to be challenged??
The warning signs are showing, if one dares to look.
1. For every male on US campuses, there are 2 females. With this,keep in mind females are biologically attracted to Good providers, and for example, statistically ALMOST NEVER marry ??lower?? than themselves. American Women themselves (outside gender feminist hetero-hate circles), are not gonna like the long term consequences of this phenomena.
Scott,
Get some therapy.
You left a few things off the list, such as :
Don't be too good looking, don't be too popular, don't be too well liked, don't be too loved, don't be too athletic, don't be too successful, dont' be too "well off".
Don't be too proud of yourself, no matter how hard you worked or how much it is deserved.
Be ashamed, be humble, be afraid.
Always keep in mind it can all be taken away with three little words: he raped me.
Anonymous said...
Scott,
Get some therapy.
Dec 14, 2010 10:20:00 PM
Anonymous - get a heart. Grow some feelings. Take a walk though his world.
Or go fuck yourself. Take your pick.
Scott: take your life back. As someone who ALWAYS defends you I wish you well by saying forgivness is a gift you give yourself - not her.
Learn what that word REALLY means.
It's your only hope to be free of that evil - otherwise you just become evil yourself.
I found the 12 step principles were vastly helpful although I am not a drinker.
You are too valuable of a human being to be lost in the wilderness of hate and pain.
Come back to the light.
To: Anonymous
Dec 15, 2010 10:56:00 AM
Anonymous - get a life. Grow some tolerance. Take a walk outside his world.
Or drink some poison and die. Take your pick.
For our benefit, please choose the latter.
I'm doing the MGTOW and ghosting when it comes to relationships. No to marriage, living with a woman, dating, and casual sex even on occasion. When out in public I'm polite or indifferent to women, and I don't check them out as I used too.
Modern women are crazy spoiled children and are as potentially dangerous as a junkyard dog.
The best way to avoid a false rape claim is not to engage in sexual relations outside a committed relationship
Well, you could have written "not to have sex at all" to be 100% sure.
Rape can also be falsely alleged inside marriage, as many marriages can go under fights, divorces, etc. etc. Males are accused of abuse, rape and things like that on those cases, many times after years of sound and good old fashioned marriage.
So "committed relationship" is not the answer. The answer is "fight for equal rights" before justice. The problem is the law and the system, not the way you engage with another person.
I know these advices might be many times sadly necessary, but if we continue on this path, the next will be: "never piss a woman off".
I keep every single post-sex act text message I get from a woman indicating how much she enjoyed it (e.g., "oh, you f****d me so good babe that was yummy" or "that was hot sex Papi, when am I gonna see you again?" - yes folks, these are actual texts I have received!). Let a woman try to make a rape allegation against me with a bunch of these texts from her ready and waiting in my cell phone ...
”The best way to avoid a false rape claim is not to engage in sexual relations outside a committed relationship.”
This argument is much like one that a judge I asked advice of gave me concerning being attacked from behind with a bottle at a local pub.... "It wouldnt have happened if you hadn't been hanging out in a place like that!"
Sounds a lot like well she was dressed like a slut what was she expecting?
All three arguments are specious and contrary to law and reason. And yet though all three are fundamentally true,... (Much like waving a wad of money in a bad neighborhood)... not one of the four can be used as an excuse for the attackers actions, nor the polices inactions,.. as the case may be.
Was recently cleared from a rape accusation. I had proof that discredited her claim but I was still dragged through the mud for months. I feel my reputation and career has been damaged in my eyes thou I am still employed all because I had consenting sex with a unemployed emotionally unstable married liar of a trash woman (hindsight is always 20/20!) The courts did nothing to this woman even after she told police several times her motive to their face. She did not want her husband to know she was with a man from another race! After reading the article on how to avoid a rape claim I now realize I could be the poster child and should have seen how I left myself open to allow such a claim! Wow. I have witnessed the pain involved in such a claim and I am trying to live with the pain and evil I have in my heart towards my accuser (which I know is wrong!) I will never have pre-judgements about men that are accused of such a claim because there is always two sides to every story and I have seen how evil and vindictive a woman can be because we as a society have given women such a tool to get back at men for all types of reasons. As being the real victim in all of this. I will pray for you all accused and I request the same in prayer for my recovery and mental health.
I am currently a victim of false rape accusations but in this case it is not a female making the allegations but a male. I am also a male and I am sure I am not the first person to be accused in this manner. Firstly, I am not gay in anyway but the accusations were made as the claimant allegedly stated that I am too cocky and someone needs to teach me a lesson. his allegation was made a month after the imaginary incident was supposed to have happened. Now my career and future prospects lies in the balance on this frivolous claim. I would love to know how people in my situation have dealt with getting back into society.
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