As we chronicled here, a St. Mary's college student committed suicide nine days after reporting to Notre Dame police that a Notre Dame football player had touched her breasts. St. Joseph County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak announced this week that he will not file criminal charges in the matter due to conflicting witness statements and cell phone records that were inconsistent with Seeberg's allegations. In addition, Seeberg's statements to police would likely be inadmissible in court because she is no longer alive. Read the post for a better understanding of the case.
A vile petition found on a major women's rights Web site urges readers to "Tell Notre Dame to Apologize for Rape Victim's Suicide and Revise Protocol." It states, among other things: "On August 31, freshman Elizabeth Seeberg was assaulted by a football player at the University of Notre Dame. Nine days later, she took her life."
First, there never was even an allegation of rape, so a "rape" could not have been committed. Second, while no one, aside from the accused young man, will ever know for certain, the only "victim" here appears to be accused football player.
Feminists frequently chide those of us who advocate for the forgotten men and boys falsely accused of rape by suggesting that our advocacy detracts from the supposedly far more more serious problem of rape.
They would do well to closely examine their own ill-advised advocacy before attacking ours. By taking an unfounded (and, based on the district attorney's findings, unlikely), claim that a presumptively innocent man touched a now-deceased witness' breasts, and transmogrifying it into a rape that certainly occurred, they trivialize actual rape with wild, and grossly unjust, exaggeration that seems motivated by a contempt for an entire gender. It is not difficult to dismiss out of hand whatever concerns are expressed by such a group.
Sunday, December 19, 2010
Disgraceful petition tells Notre Dame to apologize for a rape that never occurred
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Pretty amazing. An alleged touching of breasts (why does such a small thing become blown up out of proportion) becomes blown up into rape.
And then change.org sucks starts a petition drive which surely WILL impress politicians.
And what will men do? I already suggested before, that for every misandric petition at change.org sucks we should make a counter petition and find enough signatures for it.
Who is up for this?
They dont bother to look deep into what happend.
Gender / Raunch feminists gain "Empowerment" by attacking heterosexual males in any fashion they can.
Speaking of an unfounded claims that make it easy to dismiss out of hand whatever concerns are expressed by such a group, this needs to stop:
Dec 20, 2010 8:23:00 AM
Dec 20, 2010 8:29:00 AM
"Both in the days following the attack and over the past three months, the University has failed to take the crime seriously, report it to police, or seek justice for the victim."
That's outright lying.
So is calling it "rape".
And why should Notre Dame "apologize for the death of Elizabeth Seeberg"? How are they in any way responsible for her death?
First they ignore you.
Then they fight you.
Then the truth becomes self evident.
I see what they're doing,calling breast-touching "rape" (I feel old, back in my day someone had to have some form of sexual INTERCOURSE perpetrated on them against their will to be "raped) and then trying to link the woman's suicide and the "rape" together in a causal chain,but what I don't see is any evidence for that assumption.
Is there any evidence to suggest this woman committed suicide over the breast-touching? Does anybody know?
Folks try to contain and counter the perversion (after the fact).
Why not attack the perversion at its roots??
@highlander:
"Islamic misogyny".
Great. Again.
I'm a practicing Muslim,
and yes, I did the whole
'Madrasah' thing.
I'm sick and tired
of people accusing me of
hating women.
I'm sick and tired
of trying to explain
that Islam itself is NOT
misogynistic.
Man it would be trying to
explain to a White supremacist
why Blacks should be considered
equals;
they always have a never-ending
stream of 'facts' to back their
shit up.
I'm sick and tired of it.
Archivist,
you mind actually enforcing the
comment policy to prevent
bigoted comments
like the one made
my Highlander?
I'm sick and tired of
feeling like I'm not welcome
here when I've been a victim myself.
CrackAddict, sorry, I missed it. "Islamic misogyny" is akin to saying "Catholic anti-semitism."
This site makes a big point about the injustice of broad-brush stereotyping of an entire group based on the bad things some members of the group do. We typically do this in the context of men, but the same holds true for women, Muslims, Catholics, and every other group.
If we judged everyone on their own merits instead of viewing them as representatives of the group they were born into, we wouldn't have rushed to judgment to charge three white boys at Duke; we wouldn't have convicted the Scottsboro Boys because they were black youths accused of rape by white women; and, in fact, we wouldn't routinely arrest and charge a man with rape just because a woman said he did it.
I'm not going to link to anything that names the presumptively innocent young man.
Glad you removed the link. Just showing what this story has turned into. Part of this story is what your blog covers but a lot has to do with Notre Dame. A lot of writers and bloggers are using this "story" as an agenda to attack Notre Dame and Notre Dame football, totally ignoring the facts.
@Archivist
Thanks... and I apologise for derailing the thread by a bit.
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