For all the hand-wringing on our our college campuses about the supposed under-reporting of rape, the so-called campus "rape culture" that disrespects women, and the purported trivialization of sexual assault, there are a hell of lot of phony rape claims reported by college women, aren't there?
Heather MacDonald succinctly summed up the campus rape crisis in four words: ". . . the crisis doesn’t exist." http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html
Last week we reported that an alleged rape at Seton Hall rape didn't happen the way the accuser claimed. http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/11/another-college-rape-hoax-as-i.html Laura Siegel said she had been assaulted on campus by a stranger -- a young black man, 20 or 21 years old, approximately 6-foot, 2-inches tall, with a muscular build and short hair.
We figured it was a lie because a scary stranger rape on campus is incredibly rare (and in this case, "scary" is a code word for "an allegation of rape involving a big, frightening black guy" -- yes, believe it or not, these false rape cases frequently have an element of racial animus).
Eventually, after panicking the college community, she changed her story and said that it didn't happen on campus after all, and it was an acquaintance who assaulted her. She said she "went with a man willingly off-campus, where a sexual assault took place. That's what the police are investigating." http://livingston.patch.com/articles/student-changes-story-about-seton-hall-attack
That didn't stop some students from plowing ahead with a planned protest over campus security. After all, why let a little good old-fashioned rape hysteria go to waste?
Funny, no one seemed especially concerned about the security of innocent 20 or 21 year-old black males, given that one of them might have been arrested and had his life effectively destroyed over Ms. Siegel's lie.
In any event, we figured that Ms. Siegel's story about the off-campus rape was a lie, too. After all, why would a woman who actually was raped by an acquaintance initially lie to police and say she was raped by a stranger somewhere else? (And presumably the description of the stranger did not match the acquaintance?) Answer: she wanted everyone to think she was raped (perhaps to "explain" an illicit sexual hook-up that she feared might lead to a pregnancy) but obviously didn't want the police to catch the man with whom she had sex.
The latest: the police have now stop investigating the alleged rape and have charged Ms. Siegel with fabricating a sexual assault. Here is the news story:
Police Charge Seton Hall Student with Fabricating Sexual Assault
18-year-old charged with making false claim
A Seton Hall University student, who said she was sexually assaulted in campus parking lot F on Nov. 16, has been charged with filing a false police report, according to the Essex County Prosecutor's Office and a South Orange Police Department release dated Nov. 30.
South Orange police have charged Laura Siegel, 18, of Williamsburg, Va., with making a false report of a sexual assault. Siegel claimed the alleged assault happened in lot F, near Ivy Hill Park on the South Orange campus, the prosecutor's office said.
Siegel's original statement to police said that at 11 p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 16, she left Walsh Library on the university's campus for her residence hall. She was then approached by a clean-shaven black man, 20 or 21 years old, approximately 6-foot, 2-inches tall, with a muscular build and short hair. She claimed he led her to a car parked outside the parking deck. The alleged assault took place next to a car, according to authorities.
On Friday, Nov. 19, Siegel recanted her story and said the assault occurred off campus. Meanwhile, students and faculty challenged security measures on campus and students held a Nov. 22 protest on the university lawn to voice displeasure about what they felt were security flaws at the university.
The woman’s name was released by the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office and is considered public record. The prosecutor’s office also confirmed the investigation into the matter has ended.
According to Siegel's Facebook account, she's currently a freshman at Seton Hall and enrolled in the criminal justice and international relations program.
Filing a false police report is considered a disorderly persons offense, according to the SOPD, who consulted with the prosecutor's office on the case. Siegel is expected in court on Dec. 6.
Siegel could face up to six months in prison and fines, according to authorities.
Link: http://southorange.patch.com/articles/police-charge-seton-hall-student-with-fabricating-sexual-assault-2
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Siegel was/is a CRIMINAL "JUSTICE" major??!!
I wonder how many other flawed, dangerous women major(-ed) in CJ?
Will she still be eligible for work as an LEO if convicted?
False rape accusations are now a socially acceptable way for Young women to vent their hysters.
And young women venting their hysters by making false rape accusations, gives deviant and misguided males an opportunity to play " Im the real protector" games.
You see this "venting the hystera, and Im the real protector game", is now being even further perverted and enabled by ???campus courts???.
These campus courts where false rape accusations are the norm rather than the exception are perversions of a justice system. A young girl can make a false rape accusation against an ex boyfriend, pull him into one of these campus pervert courts, run his name into the ground until he quits school, and the truth that she was just "venting her hystera" with her false rape accusation, never has to get forced out by a real legal framework.
It is a perversion to feed into a womens "venting of her hystera" which leads to societal mass hysteria. But now Gender / raunch "empowerment" rests firmly into aiding and abetting young girls "Venting of their hysteras. If the truth were forced out, and false rape accusations were no longer fostered and enabled, the gender / raunch campus "Empowerment" campaign would be losing its main tool for "Empowerment".
S - "False rape accusations are now a socially acceptable way for Young women to vent their hysters." "venting the hystera"
"hysters", "hystera????
S,
I would have suggested that one way you could make yourself seem even crazier would be to start making up words - but, I see you've already done so.
"South Orange police have charged Laura Siegel, 18, of Williamsburg, Va., with making a false report of a sexual assault."
On the plus side, she's been named (outted), and charged.
But, alas:
"Filing a false police report is considered a disorderly persons offense, according to the SOPD, who consulted with the prosecutor's office on the case.
Siegel could face up to six months in prison and fines, according to authorities."
It's a misdemeanor charge, and while it does carry the possibility of some jail time, the reality is that first time offenders are likely to get a deferred sentence along with some community service. Still, as she is 18, it's now on her permanent adult record, which might end up costing her potential jobs, and could possibly be used against her should she ever try to make another FRA.
How odd that a criminal justice student would make such an obvious fabrication (I'll bet she wasn't a very good student).
And, it should be noted that it is extremely fortunate that no innocent men ended up being harmed. Thankfully, the police were noticeably more intelligent than the current crop of imbeciles being passed off as "students".
Sl werner.
Its me S, here. Have you ever heard of the common term of "hysterectomy", where a women gets her hystera removed???
Have you ever heard of the term hysteria, of which means a state of panic induced by irrational fears.
These are but a few clues to my usage of the term "hyster" in my posts above.
Not out of arrogance, but my word crafting is not a sign of ignorance, but quite the opposite.
I would be curious to see if the majority of false rape accusations occur at the time of the month where womens hysters are inflamed??
S - "Have you ever heard of the common term of "hysterectomy", where a women gets her hystera removed???"
In common English usage, "hysterectomy" is where a woman has her uterus removed. The term "hystera" is an antiquated Greek term for the womb.
So, now, what are "hysters", and how would they be vented? Are they the vessels being evacuated, or are they the substance being evacuated from the vessels?
And, why not just use common terms? You give such sparse (or, dare I say, "no") explanations about what your rantings are about, thus, using terms that very, very few are likely to be acquainted with isn't going to help convey any cogent argument.
In the story above, it seems that the women was trying to use and FRA as an excuse for something (Pierce notes the possibility that she might have worried about a pregnancy, for example), which seems more an act of desperation that any form of “empowerment” or “hyster” venting.
Similarly, in a story from yesterday, a woman wrecked her car, and tried to use an FRA in a desperate attempt to blame someone else.
Yet, you ALWAYS posit that these are ALL the result of some vast conspiracy to grab power. So, why don’t you take these two recent examples and try to explain, in plain language, how anyone was empowered by these two attempted FRA’s? They both failed…spectacularly.
As more and more of these cases are shown (publicly) for what they are, the SGI ends up suffering – not gaining. Each time the police “sniff” out an FRA, and each time the press reports on it, the net result is a blow to the fortunes of the SGI, as there is a growing awareness of FRA’s. And, the fact that we are hearing about so many is clear evidence that this alliance between the SGI and LE that you’ve been imagining simply doesn’t exist.
Continuing to look at stories wherein women have made fools of themselves, embarrassed the SGI, and wherein police have acted properly; and yet posting your typical rant about “Gender Raunch” empowerment and “alliances” between LE and the SGI suggests a certain amount of detachment from reality. There’s certainly no need to start making up terms to add to that perception.
Speaking of responding to a non-existing crisis, this was posted on Feministing today, including a video with the usual nonsense about "rape culture" and "patriarchy".
http://feministing.com/2010/12/01/safer-and-v-day-have-a-challenge-for-you/
"yes, believe it or not, these false rape cases frequently have an element of racial animus"
This is true. Although it is nothing new. Feminism has a long history of promoting racism, even on otherwise Liberal college campuses.
Anonymous - "http://feministing.com/2010/12/01/safer-and-v-day-have-a-challenge-for-you/"
following links from that site will get you to this gem:
http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/studen__housing_factsheet.pdf (The Right to Safe Housing on College Campuses for Survivors of Sexual Assault, Stalking,
Domestic Violence, and Dating Violence)
It seems that the SGI is demanding that schools provide special "safe" housing for women alleging any form of sexual assault, DV, or dating violence issues (does that mean something like, "My boy yelled at me when he found out I was cheating on him. Now I'm scared and need a bigger and better apartment at the schools expense. Thanks.").
Sad this has to happen. This happened to me back in 1990 on the same Seton Hall campus. A freshman accused me of the same offense at a fraternity party that I didn't even attend. She was a little sister of a rival fraternity's brother and unfortunately, I was a popular fraternity memeber. Thank the Lord for Father Gene and the SOPD for seeing through her accusation and her admission of guilt during a lineup. Rape is a horrible crime. But I hate to think of how many men have been falsy accused simply for the attention that an away from home, mentally unstable, adolescent woman needs. These accusations can ruin lives.
FRS men, I've been to the "feministing" blogs, and for whatever it's worth, the fems don't ever mention your blog or care about what you have to say. Further, they don't give a crap's ass about your racial slant.
As we know, men are ALWAYS innocent, but doesn't it get tiresome and boring trying to prove it day after day?
Mr. Werner, with all due respect sir, i try to convey what is happening in the most simpleton terms i can muster.
The American law enforcement perversion of "manufacturing statistics", and the Gender feminist community using these "manufactured statistics" to attack heterosexual men/boys = American Law enforcement manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics that serve to "Empower" the Gender feminist community as a whole.
This is using the most common denominator terms i can fathom.
sir u say this theory is crazy or silly, but a simple constitutional lawsuit against the Unconstitutional practices of American law enforcements "manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics that is building a legal prejudice against the innocent", would put this into perspective for you.
It will put this into perspective for you, but it will also leave a stain on American law enforcement.
Steve, Im all about repairing this broken system as benevolently as possible, but i have seen perverts in law enforcement try to coach a false rape accuser into "getting her story straight"; and that sir is a grotesque perversion of our legal community.
Perverts like nifong are now the rule rather than the exception; for they also gain social and cultural "Empowerment" from railroading innocent boys into prison on false rape charges, while fostering and enabling a lying crack whore that tries to run over police officers (crystal magnum).
steve if you think the tide will turn toward truth and justice without breaking the law enforcements part in this, than god bless you, i believe the perversion is so deep it needs to go to the nations highest courts.
"It seems that the SGI is demanding that schools provide special "safe" housing for women...."
"For all the hand-wringing on our our college campuses about the supposed under-reporting of rape, the so-called campus "rape culture" that disrespects women, and the purported trivialization of sexual assault, there are a hell of lot of phony rape claims reported by college women, aren't there?"
The three goals of 'rape-culture' feminism:
Separation, separation, separation.
S - "Unconstitutional practices of American law enforcements "manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics"
Oh geeze, this ridiculous crap again!
I've responded to this nonsense several time already. LE doesn't manufacture the data points (reports to the DOJ), they simply report the number of claims made to them by alleging victims. The creation of those data points, the real manufacturing, is being done by those who rape (when speaking of legitimate reports), or by those who make false reports. LE simply passes on a tally of the number of allegations made to them.
LE is but a conduit for the data, having NO WAY to actually control or prevent allegations being made. They cannot refuse to take a report from an alleging victim.
They do not go about trying to convince women to make false reports - that's up to the women who make those reports. They are not clairvoyant, and cannot immediately know which claims are real, and which are false, with any certainty.
In fact, given actual examples like the one reported in Baltimore, the police are less that enthusiastically welcoming of rape reports, and tend to be skeptical of many claims - leading to complaints that they dissuade women from making allegations (real or false). And, every time they sniff out an FRA, they can actually prevent a data point from being reported to the DOJ (provided they catch it early on, as in the story above).
The data that ends up being published (those faulty, inflammatory, and misleading statistics) come about via the processing (manipulation/massaging/fudging/etc) of the data points, created by allegations being made to police, by those who are aligned with the SGI.
Sadly, every time you claim that LE is manufacturing statistics, you are demonstrating not only your misunderstanding of the word itself, but also your misunderstanding of how the process is carried out.
LE may completely botch a given case, and further a serious injustice. Yet, even at their worst, they still did not create or manufacture the FRA (to be included as a data point for those who publish those infamous statistics.
I’m puzzled that you seem to be unable to comprehend something so simple and obvious.
The fembot "rape-culture" is generally not questioned by mainstream society not because of fact, but because of decades of conditioning.
If it comes from the 'educated left', well then, it must be true.
They've worked hard for this.
Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice
Arod99k - "Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice"
The ~80,000/yr (and dropping, BTW) figure reported in the UCR (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_12.html) is a combination of reported rapes, (non-rape) sexual assaults, and attempted sexual assaults. While they report number as Forcible rape, it actually includes many non rapes. Here’s their definition:
”Forcible rape—The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Rapes by force and attempts or assaults to rape, regardless of the age of the victim, are included.” ( http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/about/offense_definitions.html)
Given that there 175,200 minutes in a year, it would work out to about every two minutes. Which might seem like a lot, until you consider that a murder is committed every 12 minutes, and an arson is committed every 3, it provides some perspective. Then one can consider the other crimes which occur at rates exceeding 1 every minute, and the rape rate becomes far less startling.
Just for fun, we could assume that all 80,000 reports were of rapes, then we can use Kanin’s findings to say that 40% of those were falsified, then we could say that a FRA is committed against an innocent man every 5.475 minutes in the US. Now, that sounds like a serious crisis.
Just saying…
What is notable about the rape hysteria that pervades many college campuses is that the self-styled 'progressives' who often teach or study for degrees in such places imagine themselves to be so much more enlightened than the great unwashed, and less susceptible to popular scare campaigns on issues like crime, terrorism etc.
But when it comes to alleged sexual assault, suddenly we must suspend rational analysis in deference to irrational or exaggerated fears, not to mention pandering to the worst stereotypes of males as evil predators and females as helpless victims and damsels-in-distress.
It is true, for the most part, that law enforcement are not primarily responsible for manufacturing 'false and inflammatory' statistics about rape or other crimes. Generally, it is feminist academics and bureaucrats who invent the phony and misleading statistics, which in turn influence public policy and law enforcement.
(Interestingly, on one thread I believe that aFor uncovered references to the 2% factoid and "false allegations are rare" canard on the Crown Prosecution Service website in the United Kingdom. In cases like this, though, it is not the police or prosecutors who are "manufacturing" the false and inflammatory statistics. The police and prosecutors are simply recycling the BS statistics that were originally "manufactured" by some feminist academic or bureaucrat. And yet, blithely repeating falsehoods is almost as damaging as creating them).
While LE are not the prime force behind the SGI, LE still benefits to a certain extent nonetheless. Law enforcement benefits from public fear of crime, as this increases support for greater police powers and resources. Indeed, for LE it is much more important to be seen to be responding to community fear than it is to actually employ effective methods to reduce crime. The reason is obvious. If police and prosecutors were successful at driving down crime heavily, pretty soon there would be less need for law enforcement and they would be out of a job. But exploiting public fears and being seen to be "doing something", however ineffective, creates a perpetual justification for one's own existence, not to mention entitlements, retirement benefits etc.
That is part of the reason why LE are not keen on punishing false accusers. After all, dealing with false accusations is still keeping officers in a job. Better not discourage them too much! And for police departments looking to pressure governments for more resources and powers, what better selling point than to say that we need more resources and powers to deal with all these sex offenders, so the good citizens can sleep easily at night!
Indeed, just about everything that law enforcement does on most issues (like the war on drugs, road safety, drink driving etc.) is spectacularly ineffective and inefficient at solving real problems. But it is effective at exploiting public fears, extracting revenues for governments, controlling the population, perpetuating the power and status of law enforcement, and indulging the capricious authoritarianism of some.
Steve, American law enforcement is now cashing in false statistics for cash with the VAWA act. This is in effect (manufacturing faulty and inflammatory statistics) on the part of American law enforcement and is beyond the scope of duties that the American constitution charters for "law enforceement", and is by simple linear thinking, un-constitutional.
But America is now dominated by the Gender / raunch mob mentality, which wipes their ass with the American constitution.
If America accepts that American law enforcement can "manufacture statistics", it creates a slippery slope that may be setting the stage for a supermonster law enforcement state where ( further manufactured statistics are the norm, which may eventually create an environment where law enforcement Replaces congress.
Some would argue that "right now" the American judicial branch has shadowed and even usurped powers over all other branches of American government.
Manufactured statistics using state and federal dollars,are a very slippery slope.
S - ” American law enforcement is now cashing in false statistics for cash with the VAWA act.”
Don’t you ever stop with this BS?
How many times have I provided you with links to the real information about VAWA grant distribution, and shown you (in no uncertain terms) that LE agency are not “cashing in” via the VAWA. Even when they are awarded grants, those g4ants only cover a portion of new expense an agency is agreeing to take on. And, due to the requirements imposed on LE as to how they must now respond to any and all allegation of violence against women, the VAWA has more than likely been a net drain on most, if not all, local LE agency’s around the country. We used to refer to such politically imposed added costs as “unfunded mandates” (why isn’t that term still in use anyway?).
S- ”If America accepts that American law enforcement can "manufacture statistics"”
Still more on the supposed manufacturing of statistics. Have you never bothered to read the information posted and linked regarding the UCR? Police agency’s simply report the number of allegations of rape, sexual assault, and attempted rape (to be lumped together as Forcible Rape for those statistical purposes).
So, what exactly (and, do try to provide an answer for a change) would you have them do differently? Should they all refuse to provide any data on any crimes to the USDOJ? Seriously, what (rational and realistic) “fixes” do you wish for?
S - ”supermonster law enforcement state”, ”law enforcement Replaces congress”, ” the American judicial branch has shadowed and even usurped powers over all other branches of American government”.
Holy Crap!, I thought I was just teasing you about sounding crazier.
While any or all of this may be possible, the elephant in the room the you seem to be unable to notice is that, as an over-arching issue, rape is really “small potatoes”. Nor, for that matter, would the entire issue of supposed violence against women be enough drive such a government take over. There are much, much bigger issues for both LE, the Judicial Branch, and for the whole of government.
Think about it, the UK doesn’t even have a VAWA, and they still have the same set of issues in LE and government. VAWA is a problem, to be sure, but, it is not The Problem.
Oh, and BTW, I hate to break it to you, but… the women who make FRA’s are not agents of LE, coerced and controlled by any conspiracy between the SGI and LE. They are “free agents” who, in most all cases, are acting only in their own perceived self-interest.
Actually, women have been doing this for millennia. They’ve never needed permission, nor even encouragement to do so. They’ve usually just been trying to save their own skins. And, long before VAWA, before the SGI was established, before organized feminism began to corrupt woman, before modern LE agency were established, and even before there was a United States, women were making self-serving FRA’s. Only back then, they usually did so to friends and family, who tended to respond with murderous rage. Despite the many injustice that LE has served to further, it can still be argued that it’s still way better than what there used to be.
I see my post from last night got eaten. I'll try cutting out the http from the URL's and see if that fix what ever problem Blogger is having with my posts:
Arod99k - "Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice"
The ~80,000/yr (and dropping, BTW) figure reported in the UCR (www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_12.html) is a combination of reported rapes, (non-rape) sexual assaults, and attempted sexual assaults. While they report number as Forcible rape, it actually includes many non rapes. Here’s their definition:
”Forcible rape—The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Rapes by force and attempts or assaults to rape, regardless of the age of the victim, are included.” (www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/about/offense_definitions.html)
Given that there 175,200 minutes in a year, it would work out to about every two minutes. Which might seem like a lot, until you consider that a murder is committed every 12 minutes, and an arson is committed every 3, it provides some perspective. Then one can consider the other crimes which occur at rates exceeding 1 every minute, and the rape rate becomes far less startling.
Just for fun, we could assume that all 80,000 reports were of rapes, then we can use Kanin’s findings to say that 40% of those were falsified, then we could say that a FRA is committed against an innocent man every 5.475 minutes in the US. Now, that sounds like a serious crisis to me.
Just saying…
American law enforcement are paid to keep order, and to protect the innocent, Neither of which they are doing anymore. Boys get beat to death with baseball bats in their sleep over false rape accusations, and current American law enforcement practices are "fostering and enabling" a culture of false rape accusations.
Gender / raunch "Empowerment feminism" in the UK has not reached the degree of monopoly that they have usurped here in the U.S. thats why a disproportionate amount of false rape accusations that are reported here on FRS are from the U.K, as Gender / raunch feminists have told the media and law enforcement to keep the now "culture of false rape accusations" out of the publics eye.
In Gender / Raunch dominated areas of the country (Massachusetts), just about every girl now tells their current boyfriends that their last boyfriends used to beat and rape them. This is now a culture of false accusations, even if only a fraction of the false accusations make it to law enforcement.
"Oh geeze, this ridiculous crap again!
I've responded to this nonsense several time already."
So have a dozen others.
Unfortunately, there is no arguing with crazy people.
"Don’t you ever stop with this BS?"
That's clearly a rhetorical question. No, he won't stop. He will continue posting the same horseshit every day, and often several times in the same thread, over and over again, unless the owners of this blog do something to stop him.
S - ”American law enforcement are paid to keep order, and to protect the innocent, Neither of which they are doing anymore. Boys get beat to death with baseball bats in their sleep over false rape accusations, and current American law enforcement practices are "fostering and enabling" a culture of false rape accusations.”
Hate to break it to you, but woman do get raped, as well. They too are innocent victims, who LE cannot possibly protect at all times. Men falsely accused of rape are not the only innocent victims of crimes. Far more men are murdered than are falsely charged and prosecuted for rapes they did not commit. Shouldn’t you be ranting about how LE failed to protect those men from being murdered? It’s the same damned (il)logic, after all.
S – ” just about every girl now tells their current boyfriends that their last boyfriends used to beat and rape them. This is now a culture of false accusations, even if only a fraction of the false accusations make it to law enforcement.”
And yet your long-running personal campaign has been to put all the blame on LE (you’ve even excused your own false accuser in favor of blaming the police). Now your pointing out that woman make FRA’s far more often than those reported to police (I actually believe your correct here).
So, what does that do to your pet theory of LE, directed by their “Gender / Raunch” co-conspirators, going about beating the bushes trying to encourage women to make FRA’s (from which, despite overwhelming evidence against it happening, you still believe they will profit financially)?
Seems to me that you’re arguing against yourself now.
Stop funding these college campus feminist organizations that are using fear tactics for the goal of re-engineering society and separating the sexes.
'rape-culture' is a plot. There is no such thing. The 'rape-culture' BS is a well organized front for separation.
There is no 'rape-culture' whether it be a Greek fraternity or otherwise.
These fembots who come here to this blog with their manufactured rape stats are nothing more than puppets for the big players that use them in their goal of separation of the sexes.
Stop this BS and wake up!
"How many times have I provided you with links to the real information about VAWA grant distribution, and shown you (in no uncertain terms) that LE agency are not “cashing in” via the VAWA. Even when they are awarded grants, those g4ants only cover a portion of new expense an agency is agreeing to take on."
Slwerner, law enforcement is a state-funded monopoly. One way or another, nearly all their revenue comes from the public purse. What difference does it make whether a portion comes from VAWA and the rest from general revenue? At the end of the day, it is still helping to maximize their budgets. That is what all government departments and agencies are interested in.
"And, due to the requirements imposed on LE as to how they must now respond to any and all allegation of violence against women, the VAWA has more than likely been a net drain on most, if not all, local LE agency’s around the country."
I have no doubt that the amount of resources devoted to FRAs tie up police resources that could otherwise be better devoted elsewhere. What I find odd is your apparent belief that LE are the ones who suffer for this. No, if the police don't have the resources to respond to someone breaking into your house at 3am because all their time is being spent dealing with FRAs, YOU are the one who suffers, not LE!
And what is the standard response to such things. 'We don't have enough resources to respond to all this crime! Give us more powers and resources! Gimme Gimme Gimme!'.
Slwerner, you continually repeat this claim that LE cannot benefit from FRAs because they represent a cost to LE budgets. If LE are wasting resources on FRAs, it is not really "their" money that is being wasted. It is the public money being wasted by LE. Yet by some curious reasoning, LE are apparently the victims!
If I was to apply the same logic, I could well say that corrupt governments cannot benefit from misappropriation of public funds because all the extra funds being thrown at their friends represent a net cost to "their" budgets.
This reasoning is obtuse and silly, as I have tried to point out. But you seem determined to stick to it no matter what.
Nick S - ”What difference does it make whether a portion comes from VAWA and the rest from general revenue?”
What I’m getting at is his oft repeated claim that police specifically encourage women to make FRA’s because, as he suggests, they can “cash in” those FRA’s directly for VAWA money. Clearly THIS particular mode of funding he continually suggests is not possible. His insistence on repeating such obvious nonsense threatens the credibility of an otherwise serious and sober site
Nick S - ”What I find odd is your apparent belief that LE are the ones who suffer for this.”
I’ve never even tried to contend that LE suffers. Your quite right, it’s the citizen who end up on the short end – either via lack of due service, or demands for taxes to make up the short-fall.
My point is (to S.) that LE is not “profiting” thanks to the implementation of the VAWA. It’s much more a headache than a blessing for them.
The truth is, as most everyone in the MRM/manosphere is well aware, VAWA is just another mechanism for the transfer of men (as a class) to women. The vast majority of VAWA money goes not to LE, but rather to (so-called) victims advocacy concerns (some of which do little more than lobby for more and more money for themselves). LE gets scraps, although those scraps come with a great deal of fan-fair designed to convince the sheeple that it’s about enhancing LE to protect women (S. appears to have bought into this notion, albeit from the reverse perspective from what was intended, seeing it as a negative instead of the positive that white-knights and gynocentrists perceive).
The money to cover the increased costs come, as you say, from the local taxpayers – not from the federal government - which never-the-less grabs all the credit.
Nick S - ” you continually repeat this claim that LE cannot benefit from FRAs because they represent a cost to LE budgets.”
My point remains. Even though there is no real cost to LE, there is also no benefit gained either. The point that S. has continually tried to push is this notion that LE agency’s are directly rewarded in proportion to the number of rape claims they handle. He has repeatedly stated that this is why (as he believes) police are motivated to try to encourage women to make even more (false) rape claims. It also seems to be the basis for his claims that they “manufacture” statistics.
Previously, I have tried to use real published information to demonstrate that if they just want more funding, police would be far better served to push for more available federal funds to “fight” drugs, guns, and gangs (which, BTW, also “play” better to the general public). Hell, they can up revenues just by issuing more traffic tickets. Rape claims are but a small portion of their caseload. It just isn’t logical that they would “invest” a great deal of effort into promoting more claims, when there is nothing for them to gain by doing so.
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