by Connie Chastain*
In the run-up to the elections, America's wars have fallen off the radar screen. But when it's politically fashionable to talk about them, you're apt to hear Presidents and other government officials refer to "our men and women in uniform." This in spite of the fact that the Armed Forces are overwhelmingly male and men do the bulk of the fighting and dying.
Still, women do make up about 20% of today's military. You have to wonder why they would fight for a patriarchal culture -- indeed, what they deem to be a rape culture that preys on women and keeps them in fear. Of course, we know that what feminists complain about and reality are different things. First, there is no rape culture and, second, government, education, business and industry promote, or at least accomodate, institutional female supremacy, so... so much for patriarchy.
Despite the lip service to the feminised military, war is men's business. It always has been, and there was a time when everyone acknowledged that. Sometimes things happen to remind us of this particular reality.
In October of 1943, a Consolidated B-24 Liberator heavy bomber went missing near New Guinea. It was assumed that the plane ran out of fuel on the way back to base and crashed in the Pacific Ocean. Searches yielded no trace of the aircraft, and a year later, the eleven crewmen and the photographer who joined them on a reconnaissance mission were officially declared dead, their families notified.
They were among the over 300,000 U.S. casualties of that terrible war which, for the United States, lasted from from December 7, 1941 until August 14, 1945. Eventually, the surviving soldiers returned home. They built the suburbs and created a wheeled culture where they, as breadwinners, drove the freeways into town to office and factory, while their wives stayed home to raise children. Based largely on knowledge gained in the war, they invented goods and services and made advances in medicine, transportation, housing that made their society the envy of the world.
But not everyone was amazed by these advances, or thankful to the men who made them possible. Twenty-five years later, too many daughters of these warriors, these protectors and advancers of our society, were calling them patriarachal oppressors. These women raised such a ruckus that men who had seen and experienced the horrors of brutal, global war bent over backward to accomodate their whiny complaints.
Fast forward another thirty years, and find a America not at all friendly to the grandsons and great-grandsons of the global warriors of WWII. It is a society in which men bear the brunt of military and workplace deaths, but feminists complain because not enough women occupy desks in corporate offices; a culture where boys and young men are given short shrift in education; where the government creates jobs for women during a recession in which men disproportionately find themselves without a job.
It is a society that feminists label a rape culture and wherein they describe men as possessors of "flawed" masculinity -- predators who keep all women in a state of fear. It is a society where, increasingly, women can and do make false rape accusations and face little or no consequence for destroying, or almost destroying, some innocent man's life.
Not long ago, the families of the crew of the bomber lost near New Guinea were notified that the plane had not gone down in the Pacific, after all. Wreckage of the plane had been located in rugged, jungle-covered mountains on the northern end of the island. Human remains were found. Using DNA testing, all members of the crew were identified and their families in the United States notifed that their soldiers would be coming home at last.
Among the crewmen was a gunner from Georgia by the name of Berthold Chastain, my uncle. I only recently learned of the true story of his sacrifice. Our family is still trying to grasp the new information that he was not lost at sea sixty-seven years ago, as we have believed for so long.
As I contemplate this new chapter in our family history, I can't help but wonder. Is the United States today really what he, and 600,000 others fought for, and so many died for? I cannot help but believe it is not, and for that I am profoundly sorry. As a society, we have not done right by these men.
Welcome home at last, Uncle Bert. Please forgive us.
The story of the last mission of the B-24 bomber, the "Shack Rat" -- http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/b-24/42-40918.html
*Connie is a member of the FRS team whose column appears here every Friday. Her blog is http://conniechastain.blogspot.com
Friday, October 29, 2010
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Best essay yet, Connie.
I have another idea to propose for consideration. After 18-20 years of conditioning to prepare America's boys to be proper feminists, metrosexuals, and manginas, do you really think that you will be able to raise an all-male army through an all-male draft of 18-20 year old men to go out and do lots of dying, if we ever need to in the future? Lord knows I would not accept such a draft, nor even register for one under the current circumstances. Nor would I now give up a seat in a lifeboat for an unknown and unrelated female person. Women wanted equality so may they have a full dose of it. If female soldiers in numbers ever become prisoners of war, they'll learn the real meaning of a rape culture.
My maternal grandfather ran away to sea when he was 14, and soon found himself in the battle of Jutland in WWI
He spent the between war years in the merchant navy, and at the outbreak (literally, day one) of WWII he signed up for that too, RNR Bosun on tankers doing the Murmansk run.
He has THREE separate ships torpedoed out from under him in the arctic, and still survived the war.
All five of his children signed up for that war too.
His wife, with a husband and all five kids at war, and a devout and upright women (an old battleaxe in many ways) only ever got into trouble once in her life.
In WWI Pankhurst did a deal with the government of the day, in exchange for the vote the shamed men into signing up by handing them white feathers.
In WWII their successors did the same thing.
She was meeting my grandfather at the railway station, he had just gotten ashore from his second torpedoing, and was dressed in all he had, (sea and oil had ruined his clothes) a donated ill fitting set of clothes with a sou-wester and bare feet in a pair of boots.
One of these WWII Pankhurst woman accosted him and tried to hand him a white feather (he was out of uniform see) he was a dead quiet man, just tried to walk away.
Gran slapped her in the face, pushed her to the ground and spat on her.
"Lest we forget"
Well said, Connie!
The majority of the police force are likewise male. My grandfather took after his father in this profession, and is now bearing the scars - a series of small strokes have destroyed his short-term memory. There are days he doesn't know who his children are.
My other grandfather died in the Vietnam war, attached as Assistant Battalion Advisor to 1/1/1 ARVN and stationed at FSB Barbara. He was a member of the Australian Army Training Team, Vietnam, the best trainers our armed forces had on offer. For the action which killed him, Jack was awarded the Silver star. He also received the Bronze star for the recovery of a US General who was killed in a chopper crash.
Both these two men are inspiring to me. Both were devoted family men who did what they believed necessary in order to provide for their loved ones.
It's just a shame that our society doesn't really value what they did for their country.
Florida Republican Candidate Reveals Rape in TV Campaign Ad
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/florida-republican-reveals-rape-televised-political-ad/story?id=12005879
This is getting ridiculous.
Well said Connie.
Connie,
Excellent piece. My grandfather fought in WWII, my father in Vietnam, and I served during the first gulf war (if 4 days really can be called that). My grandfather taught me a lot growing up. Self reliance, honor, moral strength and perseverance (not that my parents didn't). I used to spend summers hunting, fishing and living off the land, all under his tutelage. A finer man I never knew, God rest his soul. It's sad, that the earthy wisdom that so many of that generation have/had, is ignored today. We could really learn a lot from them, if we took the time to do so.
Arod99k,
Thanks for that link. That is disgusting. Those in the comments that are saying she should have the person charged, are so deluded. I challenge anyone reading this, to tell me exactly what they were doing 23 years ago today (and be exact, and provide proof). Because that is exactly what those people want. There is NO way to defend against a charge 23 years after the fact, for a charge of rape, as any evidence is long since gone (DNA, finding witnesses, etc.). And that so many people, automatically believe what she says (and I'm not saying she's lying, but we have nothing but her word), show just how far we have to go with this site.
More than ever, I know that I will be doing this, as long as I am able to do so. And I, along with Pierce and Connie (if I may speak for them), welcome any who wish to support and lend aid, to those who rarely are heard in our society.... the falsely accused.
Thank you, Pierce and everyone. Here's a link to a news story about my uncle's return home that a cousin just sent me.
http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13413586
There's a photo of Uncle Bert, the same one I saw on my grandmother's end table when I was growing up.
He had four brothers, my father being the youngest of the family and Uncle Bert the oldest. They are all gone now (my father died last December) except one, Uncle Cliff, who also served in the Pacific and spent time in a hellish POW camp in the Philippines.
I'm so glad at least one of his generation lived to hear about his homecoming. I've read news reports about the return of other Shack Rat crewmen, and in some cases the only family left to welcome them are nieces and nephews.
My sincerest sympathies are with the writer of this sobering and all-too-truthful article. However, as time passes, it is becoming increasingly obvious that America made a huge and possibility fatal mistake in going to war against Germany during WW2.
Did those millions of White European men from America go to war to fight against Germany, so as to make Europe safe for Communism? That is precisely how it turned out, and nobody with a brain bigger than a marble can deny that.
Did the White European men of America and Great Britain go to war against Germany, so as to usher in the insane and suicidal Cultural Marxist notion that all White Western European nations should throw open their borders to the entire Third World, which has resulted in massive numbers of third world aliens flooding into those nations - incompatible aliens who are overwhelmingly hostile to Western civilization - and who now, threaten to destroy the last vestiges of White Western civilization? Who are today screaming that they are taking over and tell whites to carry their backsides back to Europe?
Did the white European men intend to make themselves, their descendants and their posterity despised and persecuted strangers within their own nations?
I think not.
Anonymous at 10:19, I don't think it was a mistake for the Allies to fight the Nazis and their allies.
What happened in Europe after the war wasn't the fault of Allied soldiers any more than what happened in the USA was.
They weren't fighting to make Europe safe for communism. They weren't fighting to make the USA safe for the destruction of the family and the shrinking of freedom.
They were fighting to stop what they perceived to be the grave and immediate threat of a madman bent on world domination, with powerful forces at his command to make it happen.
Nobody knows the future with absolute certainty but hindsight is always 20/20.
Anon,
are you saying that you support what Hitler and Nazi's were doing, and that this country should have supported that?
I hope I'm reading that wrong, and I'm happy to be corrected, but if that is what you truly believe, then I don't think this is the place for you to be.
Connie nailed it. Hindsight is 20/20, and if your and had wheels she'd be a wagon. Neither of which change what needed to be done, at that time.
No, he's saying that in hindsight, the allies have just enabled communism to flourish.
Sonja,
Ok. Maybe it was the multiple times anon referenced White European men, that makes that post come across as racist to me.
But should we have let Hitler continue? No thanks. Really, there wasn't one bit of difference between the two. Both were exceptionally repressive and killed large numbers of their own people (Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler did), and the majority of those people just happened to be jewish. So really, it was a trade off. Based on my readings, I think that at the start, Truman though that because they had allied with us against Germany, that they would remain allies, and didn't anticipate the abrupt change in attitude. Truman's policies toward the Soviet Union, was the standard used up until the wall fell.
I'd just like some clarification from our anonymous poster, before I make up my mind.
Hindsight is 20/20, and if your and had wheels she'd be a wagon.
Just so that this makes sense, it should read:
Hindsight is 20/20, and if your aunt had wheels she'd be a wagon.
Sorry about that.
I always thought it was if your Aunt had balls, she'd be your Uncle.
This story and information is sent by Alisa Klein (ATSA)
« on: Yesterday at 10:31:24 AM »QuoteThis story and information is sent by Alisa Klein, Public Policy Consultant for the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers (ATSA).
Hello all,
Many of you, I'm sure, are already apprised of these developments, but just in case you are not, I'm sending out this group email to let you know about the recent, historic movement on in the White House on issues related to sexual violence.
Here are links to the White House press conference on domestic and sexual violence earlier this week, and to other related materials. As you'll see the main focus of these new initiatives is domestic violence (it is, after all, the capstone to Domestic Violence Awareness Month). And if you take a look at the Fact Sheet on the White House initiatives, you'll see that the only two specific areas regarding sexual violence are (see below) about "reduc[ing] sexual violence...by improving the criminal justice response, increasing services for victims, and changing attitudes." In looking at the specifics, there will be regional roundtables about sexual violence, and a reduction in the backlog of rape kits. I'll follow up with folks about the regional roundtables and see how we can have sex offender treatment and management and primary prevention on the agenda of these fora.
Hope you find this of interest. It's heartening to have the first-ever movement regarding sexual violence prevention in the White House, but after looking at Australia's national plan to prevent sexual violence, as an example (see http://www.fahcsia.gov.au/sa/women/pubs/violence/np_time_for_action/national_plan/Documents/The_Plan.pdf and http://www.dvirc.org.au/UpdateHub/FACS_37004_Violence_Against_Women.pdf), it feels like a small step with a need for more understanding of the necessity of developing a comprehensive, cross-disciplinary agenda. It's a start, though, and perhaps represents footing for future expansion.
Alisa
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Alisa
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/ReducingDomesticViolence_fact sheet.pdf
Increase Sexual Assault Arrests and Successful Prosecutions
One in six women and one in thirty-three men will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, but fewer than 1 in 6 rapes are reported to the police. Women who have been raped have high rates of PTSD, depression, anxiety, and suicide attempts.
- The Department of Justice Office on Violence Against Women (OVW) is launching a new national campaign to reduce sexual violence in the United States by improving the criminal justice system response, increasing services for victims, and changing attitudes. Today, the White House Council on Women and Girls and the Department of Justice held the first ever national roundtable on sexual violence at the White House. Over the next six months, OVW will hold regional forums around the country to engage the public in their sexual assault reduction campaign. In the 2011 budget, President Obama has proposed doubling funding for VAWA programs serving victims of sexual assault.
- Reducing the backlog of rape kits can be a powerful way to get rapists off the streets. Today, the National Institute of Justice (NIJ) is launching a new effort to identify long term solutions to the DNA backlog of sexual assault cases. In up to 5 jurisdictions, the project will team researchers with law enforcement agencies, crime labs, prosecutors, and victim advocates. The teams will identify underlying causes of the backlog, create new systems for tracking, screening and testing DNA evidence, and apply strategies to prevent backlogs from developing in the future. As a result of this project, NIJ aims to eliminate backlogs and develop innovative practices that can
be adapted nationwide.
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From VawNet - http://www.vawnet.org/Assoc_Files_VAWnet/OctNov10-eNewsletter.pdf
THE WHITE HOUSE ADDRESSES VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN
At the close of Domestic Violence Awareness Month, President Obama and Vice President Biden addressed the nation regarding unprecedented efforts across the Federal Government to protect victims of domestic and sexual violence. Related resources follow.
Address from the White House on October 27, 2010
26-minute video shows the full address, and provides access to written transcript.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2010/10/27/domestic-violence-awareness-month
FACT SHEET: Obama Administration Highlights Unprecedented Coordination across Federal Government to Combat Violence Against Women
Details the government’s concrete action steps, outlined as a four-pronged approach.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/ReducingDomesticViolence_fact%20sheet.pdf
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Press Release: Against Backdrop of Appalling Events Nation Begins Dialogue about Sexual Violence from the National Alliance to End Sexual Violence
Describes the Administration’s steps to prioritize the issue of sexual assault. http://naesv.org/2009/
Council on Women and Girls White House Blog
Learn more about the efforts of the White House to end violence against women and girls. http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cwg/blog
Alisa Klein, MAIPS
Public Policy Consultant
Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers
18 Chestnut Avenue
Leeds, MA 01053
(413)586-9123
aklein@atsa.com
www.atsa.com
Uh oh, it looks like we have been trolled.
"Learn more about the efforts of the White House to end violence against women and girls. http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cwg/blog"
Ah Alisa, the problem is that society cannot eliminate violence against women and girls unless 100% of all violence is committed against men and boys. That would men that gender equality had finally been realized, would it!
"One in six women and one in thirty-three men will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, but fewer than 1 in 6 rapes are reported to the police."
Bullshit.
Nick S - "Uh oh, it looks like we have been trolled."
But, Nick, didn't you see where she "dropped" the magical incantation White House!?!?
If it's from the White House, it must be true.
Need I remind you how truth magically lines up with what ever the White House say's it is? Some examples -
"I din not have sex with that woman"; "...manufacturing weapons on mass destruction..."
Remember those White House statements? Are you going to telling that anything coming from the White House isn't true.
And as Jimmy Carter recently warned us (and he should know, because he used to be in the White House), if anyone disagrees with anything the White House says, it's proof-positive that they're just racists.
So, if the White House says 1 in 6 women will be raped, and that only 1 in 6 rapes are reported, you'd better start believing it, or else!
[/snark]
Slewner, don't give too much credit to the White House who is only the messenger. They took action in these area based on the findings by the Justice Dept. and many other studies. The troller, as you call her, is correct. Google it!
Anonymous - "Google it!"
Tell you what, you post a link to this supposed "proof", and I'll take a look (but, I won't promise not to point out weakness's and inconsistencies therein).
We hear all the time about these "studies", but, when one actually takes the time to look at them, one tends to find that the supposed "truth" is based on considerable "leaps of faith", such as "just believing" that calls to crisis centers ALL represent a legitimate rape that was not reported. How they can operate in such a way to guarantee anonymity yet somehow KNOW that a women who called didn't go to police has always lacked credibility for me. But, "true believers" never ask any tough questions of the "tenets of their faith".
So if you really have some legit study showing that 83%+ of all rapes are never reported, why don't you go ahead and post a link to it. Don't do this weak-assed BS of telling us that it's there, if we'd just take the time to Google it. You seem to know about it, so you should know exactly where it can be access. Do tell/post.
PS - Please DO consider this a "put up, or shut up" challenge.
@The anonymous defender of trolls:
You are aware that amongst the “proof” provided by Alisa Klein, at this link:
http://naesv.org/2009/
Is this claim:
”On October 8th, 12 young people, most of them young women who attend Central Washington University, were rushed to the hospital after a mass overdose on Rohypnol. None of the young women had more than one or two drinks before becoming violently ill. Detectives are now investigating whether they were given spiked drinks to render them defenseless against a sexual assault.”
Now, being is how you are a well informed person, you are also no doubt aware that it has been proven that this supposed “drugging” never happened. [If you doubt this, I won’t tell you to Google it, I’ll dump a bunch of links on you – just let me know if you somehow managed to miss the follow-up stories].
If the White House “proof” is based on such non-incidents, how good could it possibly be?
And, yes, she was acting as a troll. And, the White House “name dropping” as a supposed “credential” was just laughable. But, I think you know that already. Eh?
" I challenge anyone reading this, to tell me exactly what they were doing 23 years ago today (and be exact, and provide proof). Because that is exactly what those people want. There is NO way to defend against a charge 23 years after the fact, for a charge of rape, as any evidence is long since gone (DNA, finding witnesses, etc.).
Then you do agree, don't you, that witnesses to a rape, no matter how long ago, is an excellent source of corroboration?
[I see that Blogger is eating my posts again. So, try #7, with all anchor tags removed, using a different browser, and posted as Anonymous]
@The anonymous defender of trolls:
You are aware that amongst the “proof” provided by Alisa Klein, at this link:
http://naesv.org/2009/
Is this claim:
”On October 8th, 12 young people, most of them young women who attend Central Washington University, were rushed to the hospital after a mass overdose on Rohypnol. None of the young women had more than one or two drinks before becoming violently ill. Detectives are now investigating whether they were given spiked drinks to render them defenseless against a sexual assault.”
Now, being is how you are a well informed person, you are also no doubt aware that it has been proven that this supposed “drugging” never happened. [If you doubt this, I won’t tell you to Google it, I’ll dump a bunch of links on you – just let me know if you somehow managed to miss the follow-up stories].
If the White House “proof” is based on such non-incidents, how good could it possibly be?
And, yes, she was acting as a troll. And, the White House “name dropping” as a supposed “credential” was just laughable. But, I think you know that already. Eh?
slwerner
@E. Steven Berkimer
I have a posts which I've posted 8 times now. It shows up briefly, then disappears. I've tried stripping out tags, using and alternate browser, and even tried posting anonymously.
I've been unable to find a way to make it work.
Could you check this out for me? Thanks.
"PS - Please DO consider this a "put up, or shut up" challenge."
I think the little feminist heckler should just shut up.
uh..oh, maybe the little female heckler put a hex on slwerner.
Anonymous - "maybe the little female heckler put a hex on slwerner"
Which might explain my current frustration with trying to post one short comment.
Briefly, what I was trying to post was that the third link from the White House named-dropping troll (to naesv.org) the government branch of the SGI is helping to spread lies, in that the recent "date-rape drugging" non-incident in WA is STILL being proffered on an official site as demonstrative of the supposed "rape culture"
I cannot get my post to "take", but the misinformation is easy to spot on that site. Perhaps another poster might have better luck linking and quoting it here for our trolls to be able to see.
One in six women and one in thirty-three men will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, but fewer than 1 in 6 rapes are reported to the police.
Remember what Pierce keeps saying, just let them prove this under-reporting crap. It'll be entertaining to see it done :)
-zarko
The ratio would probably be closer to one in thirty rapes went unreported if you to took it back to first wave feminism. Actually you wouldn't have to go back further than the 'eighties'. Did any of you attend college.
Anonymous - "Did any of you attend college."
What an absolutely pathetic attempt at "Shaming Language".
But, yes, many of us did go to college and have advanced degrees.
What I imagine most of us did not do was to waste 4 years in a Woman's Studies program, learning to regurgitate feminist BS and misinformation.
Thus, we didn't listen to the paranoia about dozens and dozens of college women being attacked and drug into the bushes and raped.
Now, I did attend college back in the early '80's, and even then the rape propaganda machine was up and running. We had to attend reeducation meetings in which we were informed that we men were all responsible for the supposedly massive number of rape occurring with alarming regularity on campus. The women were also encouraged to think of any sex they regretted as rape, and to be sure and report it.
I was even a gullible enough white-knight to volunteer to be on call to escort women around campus and town when ever they called for such protection. [the most valuable thing I ever did while "on duty" was to pick up drunk girls and get them home safely. safe, not from evil preying men, but simply from themselves and their own stupidity. Not long after I graduated, one drunk young women -- who I actually had some loose connection to, as are fathers knew one another -- tried to stagger home drunk from a party, fell off a bridge, and accidentally killed herself. She didn't think she needed any help getting home safe, so she didn't call.]
But, the simple fact was that there was never any rash of stranger rapes at my school - making it typical. Just paranoia that rapes could occur. Not to mention the amazing number of women who'd regularly go to frat parties, even though it was no secret what went on at those parties. Now, I don't condone any rapes that theoretically could have occurred at those parties, but the women who attended seemed (to me, and I think most others) to be intending to get "stupid drug" and have sex with "someone".
I'm sure that many of them regretted it after wards, but was it always rape? I'm rather disinclined to believe so.
ok I am going to move past the trolling and try and get back to the original point .
One of the biggies during ww1 was the white feather movement in the UK, this was supported by the pankhursts and suffragettes ( the strain of feminisim before it was was totally bastardised ) which involved women going up to any man not in uniform and presenting them with a white feather to show cowardess ... its something i see as ironic as the forebearers of the modern movement encouraged men to risk their lives, to fight and to kill, instincts that are apparently the problem now
Recently i have been looking back over old school essays i found when clearing out my mothers loft and looking at my history assignments on world war 2 and the conclusions i came to , namely the mess was caused by the allies that lead the nazis to power and in that power came the blame and hatred that caused the halocaust.
It got me thinking and idly i got a mail from a friend showing me an article by a " writer" in the loosest sense of the word , that being julie bindel who wrote about the take back the night rally she was attending where they would chant "fabulous" slogans like " men off the streets " and it got me to think about where we are with what feminisim has become and how in a twisted sense like the nazis, like england ruling scotland, like britain ruling the americas and other places we are seeing a group being collectively blamed for the sins of some using mistruths and flat out lies, I despise rapists and if i saw one attacking someone then id intervene, but it doesnt mean i am responsible for their choices, and sadly some of my sympathy has been eroded by the constant assumptions that men are guilty, if i am innocent of something , why should i feel guilt for it when i am falsely accused for no other reason that my genetics, feminisim will fail , not because the original intentions are wrong , but because it morphed into an ugly hate filled creature that lost its way i just hope when it does we find a way to get balance and equity of the genders.
ok I am going to move past the trolling and try and get back to the original point .
One of the biggies during ww1 was the white feather movement in the UK, this was supported by the pankhursts and suffragettes ( the strain of feminisim before it was was totally bastardised ) which involved women going up to any man not in uniform and presenting them with a white feather to show cowardess ... its something i see as ironic as the forebearers of the modern movement encouraged men to risk their lives, to fight and to kill, instincts that are apparently the problem now
Recently i have been looking back over old school essays i found when clearing out my mothers loft and looking at my history assignments on world war 2 and the conclusions i came to , namely the mess was caused by the allies that lead the nazis to power and in that power came the blame and hatred that caused the halocaust.
It got me thinking and idly i got a mail from a friend showing me an article by a " writer" in the loosest sense of the word , that being julie bindel who wrote about the take back the night rally she was attending where they would chant "fabulous" slogans like " men off the streets " and it got me to think about where we are with what feminisim has become and how in a twisted sense like the nazis, like england ruling scotland, like britain ruling the americas and other places we are seeing a group being collectively blamed for the sins of some using mistruths and flat out lies, I despise rapists and if i saw one attacking someone then id intervene, but it doesnt mean i am responsible for their choices, and sadly some of my sympathy has been eroded by the constant assumptions that men are guilty, if i am innocent of something , why should i feel guilt for it when i am falsely accused for no other reason that my genetics, feminisim will fail , not because the original intentions are wrong , but because it morphed into an ugly hate filled creature that lost its way i just hope when it does we find a way to get balance and equity of the genders.
Oct 31, 2010 5:34:00 PM
"Did any of you attend college."
Yes I did and I was lied to.
The Rape Awareness Center on campus misrepresented the student body and local community with inaccurate rape statistics.
Archivist - "We've discussed this time and time and time again. There is no factual basis for advocacy of this nature."
I didn't notice this until I read your response, but in re-reading the anonymous comment,
"The ratio would probably be closer to one in thirty rapes went unreported…”, which is actually saying that out of thirty rapes, only one wasn’t reported.
My guess is that the poster (perhaps lacking a college education[/snark]) simply misspoke/mis-typed. I’m not sure that even any of us who are quite skeptical of the claims of the SGI would have put the unreported rape rate at only 3%. So, it seems that our poster is lacking in either English language skills, math skills, or (if a Woman’s Studies major) both.
Archivist - "We've discussed this time and time and time again. There is no factual basis for advocacy of this nature."
I didn't notice this until I read your response, but in re-reading the anonymous comment,
"The ratio would probably be closer to one in thirty rapes went unreported…”, which is actually saying that out of thirty rapes, only one wasn’t reported.
My guess is that the poster (perhaps lacking a college education[/snark]) simply misspoke/mis-typed. I’m not sure that even any of us who are quite skeptical of the claims of the SGI would have put the unreported rape rate at only 3%. So, it seems that our poster is lacking in either English language skills, math skills, or (if a Woman’s Studies major) both.
The ratio would probably be closer to one in thirty rapes went unreported if you to took it back to first wave feminism. Actually you wouldn't have to go back further than the 'eighties'. Did any of you attend college.
Once again, and I doubt you would reply, please provide "proof" of this massive under-reporting.
See, people that go to college can easily see through the bullshit that you throw out. Uneducated bumpkins can easily be swayed to agree with your populist crap, but anyone with even the slightest dash of intellect realizes that the moment anyone gives figures in "underreporting", which by definition are impossible to figure out, is talking out of their proverbial ass.
Also, for someone "college educated" like yourself... your grammar is really poor. Tsk tsk.
-zarko.
The ratio would probably be closer to one in thirty rapes went unreported if you to took it back to first wave feminism. Actually you wouldn't have to go back further than the 'eighties'. Did any of you attend college.
Once again, and I doubt you would reply, please provide "proof" of this massive under-reporting.
See, people that go to college can easily see through the bullshit that you throw out. Uneducated bumpkins can easily be swayed to agree with your populist crap, but anyone with even the slightest dash of intellect realizes that the moment anyone gives figures in "underreporting", which by definition are impossible to figure out, is talking out of their proverbial ass.
Also, for someone "college educated" like yourself... your grammar is really poor. Tsk tsk.
-zarko.
"Then you do agree, don't you, that witnesses to a rape, no matter how long ago, is an excellent source of corroboration?"
No, memory of anything that long ago is horribly unreliable.
Anonymous - "Then you do agree, don't you, that witnesses to a rape, no matter how long ago, is an excellent source of corroboration?"
If you're even still trolling about, you'll need to explain this statement a bit further. Someone who was an actual eye-witness to a rape being committed might very well remember it quite vividly.
But, you do not ask about an "eye witness", so you may be referring to someone who only saw something related to that supposed rape, or who was told that it happened (a witness to a victim outcry). In that case, especially after many years, it is less likely to serve as clear evidence of a crime.
And, to go one step further, if a person is coming forward to "claim" to be witness, it is also possible that they may not be telling the truth, but may be acting in concert with the person alleging a crime after significant time had elapsed.
For instance, if a woman were to come forward and claim that a man had raped her 10 years ago, and a long-time friend of hers came with her to "corroborate", it may be a matter of two friends revealing an old secret they had kept between them, or it could be a conspiracy to target the man.
Some time back on this forum, we saw the dubious story of a sister who made a decades-old allegation against her brother of rape. IIRC, as it turned out, this claim coincide with the impending disbursement of their parents inheritance to them.
Logically challenged gender-feminists naturally declared that she MUST be telling the truth, and that there should be no statute of limitations. More rational minds, however, could weigh the evidence that she had a substantial financial motivate for her claim (and it's particular, if not peculiar, timing).
So, perhaps you might rephrase your question so as to be more specific?
"Someone who was an actual eye-witness to a rape being committed might very well remember it quite vividly."
Not the anon who posted the question, but after 23 years an eye-witness can easily remember things wrong. And when it comes to identifying strangers, after 23 minutes an eye-witness can get things wrong. People aren't cameras.
Saying things about "White European men" shouldn't be considered "racist".
That's just your social conditioning making you afraid of any and all mention of White European Men.
Break on thru to the OTHER side...
...where it's OK to be a White Euro Man.
I have a posts which I've posted 8 times now. It shows up briefly, then disappears. I've tried stripping out tags, using and alternate browser, and even tried posting anonymously.
I've been unable to find a way to make it work.
Could you check this out for me? Thanks
Nothing in either the spam filter, or awaiting publication section either. Don't know where they went. Sorry.
E Steven Berkimer - "Nothing in either the spam filter, or awaiting publication section either. Don't know where they went."
After a lengthy delay, they all showed up (the series of posts I deleted above.
I'm sorry I cluttered things up. Seems my inpatients got the best of me; or maybe just my curiosity to see if I could figure out how to get Blogger to work.
Then you do agree, don't you, that witnesses to a rape, no matter how long ago, is an excellent source of corroboration?
As someone else has already stated, no. it's not a "Excellent source". It has been shown in multiple studies, that eyewitness identification is not reliable, and those are usually within s short time frame. So after 23 years, not even a chance would I call any eyewitness testimony reliable.
And anon, I highly recommend you re-read my post on that. How in the hell you could ever draw that conclusion from what I said, takes a leap in logic, that just ain't possible.
That's just your social conditioning making you afraid of any and all mention of White European Men.
I am considered a White European. And I'm pretty sure I'm not afraid of myself. I'm not a feminist.
Nick S said...
Uh oh, it looks like we have been trolled.
"Learn more about the efforts of the White House to end violence against women and girls. http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cwg/blog"
ahhhh, Nick. You have not been "trolled".
You have been handed information that requires acall to action by all membero f FRS, and any other groups with a shred of decency and self preservation.
In sort, it's time to "man up" and start fighting back with letter writing an lobbying efforts.
This is a reprint, not "alisa" herself.
It's time to "cowboy up" and know your enemy. They are organized, smart and strong.
It's time for Ft Sumpter to fire the first shot.
So, in essence yet again, a femikook troll has derailed an otherwise wonderful article about a wonderful man...
Who'd a thunk.
TMOTS
**I** posted that CURRENT series of articles reprinted from an MRA site, you dipstick.
You can yappity yap about WWII from here to eternity while THIS shit is going on under your irritating nose.
WAKE UP!
WWII was 70 years ago, this is NOW!
Sorry if I "interrupted" your little reverie.
Enjoyed the Uncle Bert story, Connie.
In the meantime - it's time to circle the wagons. This shit isn't going to wait.
I'm assuming anon,
that you made the post before TMOTS (thanks for stopping by TMOTS) and after.
Funny, but I have a bit of a problem with someone who demands a call to action, but posts anonymously.
And it's good to know that it isn't just the feminists who try the shaming language on men. Perhaps you might try asking, instead of throwing out the insults. Or not. It's your call.
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