In a 2003 Cosmopolitan Magazine article, former New York prosecutor Linda Fairstein, someone who really ought to know better, said this: "Having worked in this field for decades, I've found this phenomenon [of false rape claims] especially painful to witness. Innocent men are attested and even imprisoned as a result of bogus claims, and the precious resources of criminal justice agencies are wasted. But most appalling is that these falsehoods trivialize the experience of every real rape survivor."
So "trivializ[ing] the experience of every real rape survivor" is more appalling than the effect of a rape lie on innocent men and boys? Really? Does this include, for example, the men and boys killed, wrongly convicted and incarcerated, beaten, chased, spat upon, forced into hiding, and who otherwise lose everything -- their wives, girlfriends, jobs, businesses, life savings, sanity, and capacity for trusting women?
Really?
Does that include these young men, Ms. Fairstein?
Down, down, down the rabbit hole we tumble.
The crime of making a false report about rape is unique in our jurisprudence because virtually the entire public discourse about it is dominated by persons who insist it is not a serious public threat. At least not to men and boys. If it is a threat at all, it’s to women, they tell us.
Sexual assault counselors and feminist legal scholars contend that false rape claims are over-reported, that they get far more attention than they deserve. They even have a shorthand language for dismissing concerns about false rape claims. They refer to false rape claims as one of the so-called rape “myths.” They mock anyone who would voice concern about the false rape phenomenon by invoking Potiphars wife from the Book of Exodus, suggesting that the fear of false rape claims is both ancient and unfounded. They gussy up their pre-ordained conclusions on this subject with all manner of disingenuous statistics, the results of the most vile, gender-politicized advocacy research where every untested claim of "rape" is believed, and "rape" includes sex that occurred after "psychological coercion."
This despicable, pathetic caterwauling echoes from the deepest bowels of victimization politics. Worse, when the crime of false reporting of rape is reported by our purportedly objective news media, it is typically done so through a gynocentric lens that blinks at the harm it causes innocent men and boys and instead focuses on the greater harm -- the real harm -- the harm to hypothetical rape victims.
News reports about false rape claims take on an almost surreal cookie-cutter redundancy: police typically adopt an indifference to the male victims, instead choosing to chide the false accuser for wasting police time. More disturbing is when a police officer, sexual assault counselor, or judge chides the false accuser for the "real" harm she's caused -- not to the man or boy wrongly accused or to other potential men and boys she might accuse -- but to phantom, hypothetical, unknown, potential, even unborn women whose reports of actual rapes might be looked upon with suspicion because of the lie.
The one thing that a judge is rarely heard to say in these cases is the following: “I need to make an example out of you so that women will stop falsely accusing men of rape.”
It is time to stop regarding the victimization of our daughters as more worthy of society's protection than the victimization of our sons. It is time to stop battling one crime (rape) by minimizing the seriousness of another (false rape claims).
It is time for victims of false rape claims to step out from the shadows, and it is time we stopped ignoring and trivializing their pain.
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I'm really confused by that previous comment. Sounds like somebody didn't get any last night.
Great job, guys.
Anonymous - "Aren't YOU trivializing the horror of false rape victims by leaving out the worst cut of all : Being wrongly CONVICTED, sent to prison"
I'm fairly certain that any regular reader will know that Pierce didn't intentionally leave that out as a way to trivialize the most egregious of injustices done. It may simply be that for most of us, it "understood" that false imprisonments occur, and they are horrendous examples of the ultimate ends possible from FRA's.
Yet, we also are aware that they are but a fraction of the outcomes for those falsely accused. Thus, if too much emphasis is placed on those who end up in prison, it might also seem that the plight of those who escape prison is being likewise trivialized. It's a bit of a tight-rope at to walk at times.
Pierce has noting to be ashamed of. He has steadfastly stood for all the falsely accused, irrespective of gender, race, religion, etc. How many can claim such honorable actions? If this were thew only thing he'd ever written about the harms of FRA's you might be correct in calling him out for leaving out mention of those imprisoned. But, his long history of good work has certainly earned him more that typical benefit of the doubt - at least in my eyes.
Oops! neglected to note that his link is too a picture of a lynching (for an FRA, no doubt - we certainly know that such occurrences did happen). Those who are killed over false accusations can be seen as paying even more dearly than those imprisoned. So, I think Pierce has adequately "covered the bases" on this one.
Amen
He does mention convictions.
"So "trivializ[ing] the experience of every real rape survivor" is more appalling than the effect of a rape lie on innocent men and boys? Really?"
I believe that this represents the (expected) "fall-out" for years of feminist indoctrination in our schools, where in impressionable youngsters have been taught that men are of less value than women, and are expendable - especially in the service of women.
Just look at the previous story. Hardly a unique situation. A woman choses to cheat on her husband, then, fearing her (non-existent) honor to be at stake, willfully throws her lover "under the bus". Somehow, somewhere such woman have gotten the idea that men are going to be willing to sacrifice themselves to protect women, even for the consequences of of deliberate misdeeds.
A woman faces humiliation, so it seems entirely reasonable to see a man imprisoned instead? Why don't these women just accept the much lighter consequences of what they've chosen to do, rather than expose a man to extreme measures?
Well, it's because it's been conditioned into them by years of geocentric feminist teaching, as designed by radical gender-feminists.
And, just to add insult to injury, those gynocentrists of the right - Social Conservative & Traditionalist Christians, along with most NeoCons, take no issue what-so-ever with children being taught to pedestal women, and that women are entitled to "whatever" suits them, even at the expense of men. The fools re imagine it as "The Christian Thing to Do", and the proper protection of women. That's why we see the white-knighting clowns, like that Jesse Powell character coming from out of their ranks to proclaim that he doesn't have any problem with innocent men going to prison due to false allegations, because he argues, it will serve to protect women (and, no, he can't be bothered to explain how sending non-rapists to prison will ever protect a woman from rape).
Sorry to take such a pessimistic view, but men are facing it from both sides. From the man-haters on the left (and their lap-dog men who are looking for approval for being turn-coats), and from gynocentrists on the right (and their lap-dog white-knights and approval seeking manginas).
Truly, the failures with regards to FRA's have been a society-wide. LE has been an easy target for some to put the blame on. And the press has certainly played right into the hands of those who'd have the innocent punished to protect women.
Yet, we can also see that the public at large, both the left and right, have bought whole-sale into the notions that men are expendable, women are more valuable, and that women wouldn't lie about something so serious.
And it's not as if I stand here pointing my finger at everyone else. Remember that recant story about the mob running down and beating the homeless guy because someone yelled out that he'd tried to rape a woman?
Well, not that many years ago, I'd have uncritically joined in with such a mob. I'm considerably bigger and stronger than most men, and would have seen it as my "job" to protect others - especially women. Now, I'm forced to look back and realize that I was no better than any of those who continue to carry out injustices based on false claims. That's the shame and blame that I must bear as I call on others to wake up to what is really going on, and to start to honestly assess rape claims on a case-by-case basis, with critical eye towards determining if their is even any substance to the claim.
"Seriously. You ought to be ashamed."
You ought to be more constructive.
Being raped isn't even in the same league as being falsely accused of rape. Morons like her never miss an opportunity to put the REAL victims -- the falsely accused -- beneath their preferred victims.
Because, you know, acknowledging that the falsely accused even exist requires admitting that your system is incompetent.
Sorry to take such a pessimistic view, but men are facing it from both sides. From the man-haters on the left (and their lap-dog men who are looking for approval for being turn-coats), and from gynocentrists on the right (and their lap-dog white-knights and approval seeking manginas).
YEP!
Anonymous - "He does mention convictions."
He quotes Linda Fairstein, who mentions false convictions; but, yes, the fact that men are falsely convicted is noted.
I think the poster who wishes to chide Pierce does so because he didn't specifically mention convictions in his enumeration of potential harms to those falsely accused.
"Does this include, for example, the men and boys killed, wrongly convicted and incarcerated, beaten, chased, spat upon, forced into hiding, and who otherwise lose everything -- their wives, girlfriends, jobs, businesses, life savings, sanity, and capacity for trusting women?"
Anonymous, quoting Archivist - ""Does this include, for example, the men and boys killed, wrongly convicted and incarcerated.."
I stand corrected. Peirce did mention it.
[What the Hell was I doing taking the word of some Anonymous poster who claimed he didn't? Shame on me!]
"Sorry to take such a pessimistic view, but men are facing it from both sides. From the man-haters on the left (and their lap-dog men who are looking for approval for being turn-coats), and from gynocentrists on the right (and their lap-dog white-knights and approval seeking manginas).
YEP!"
This is not pessimistic, it is realistic.
Off-topic:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-social-thinker/201005/why-would-child-falsely-accuse-her-mother-crime
Anonymous - ”Off-topic”
Yes, and No.
The matter of the false allegation against, and the subsequent prosecution of Tonya Craft was discussed here at the time of her acquittal (Not as a “main” story, but it came up in a discussion thread).
I would suggest that, because Tonya Craft certainly appears to have been a victim of false allegations of sexual assault, it actually does fit in this thread – even if somewhat tangentially.
Further, I would think that the use of psychologists who seemed to have manipulated the “memories” of the girls might be applicable to the way both the accused and the accuser in rape cases can be manipulated by those practiced in doing so.
As has been opt-discussed on this forum, the police have some tricks which they will commonly employ to try to trip up the accused (pretext calls, for example). Similarly, counselors/victim advocates could possibly manipulate accusers into “spicing-up” their accounts so as to make and alleged sex assault seem more egregious (perhaps – my speculation here – suggesting to a woman in a “he said/she said” situation that the guy made some allusion to the possibility of harm befalling her if she did not acquiesce to his demands, so as to recast the issue as coercion rather than simply regret).
I don’t know how likely it is that such might occur, but it remains a possibility that certain “advocates” might sense that a weak case needs something to “sell” it to prosecutors and to a jury.
Since the infamous McMartin Preschool Trials fiasco, interviews of children by psychologists and victims advocates have been under heavy suspicion. In order to have information gleaned from such interviews be admissible, they must be video taped, and made available to defense counsel for analysis. I doubt this high standard holds true for adult “victims” of sexual assaults.
I not suggesting that it happens, let alone with any frequency, I’m simply proffering that the potential for the abuse of advocates manipulating “victims” and their testimonies could easily exist.
I can't say if it was me, or Blogger, but the link to the discussion of pretext calls didn't work. that link is, in plain text, http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2009/02/womens-groups-work-with-law-enforement.html
[The very same text I pasted in before. I cannot prove that it was the Blogger software, but since I've been having numerous "issues" with the function thereof, I'm rather suspicious that it was.]
"I not suggesting that it happens, let alone with any frequency, I’m simply proffering that the potential for the abuse of advocates manipulating “victims” and their testimonies could easily exist."
Not only is it possible, there are numerous proven cases of women's shelters and those employed by the sexual grievance industry pressing women to make false accusations.
Slw: "...to start to honestly assess rape claims on a case-by-case basis, with critical eye towards determining if their is even any substance to the claim."
LE always looks for corroboration on a case-by-case basis, and here's an excellent example:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/95701954.html
Anonymous - "LE always looks for corroboration on a case-by-case basis, and here's an excellent example"
My point was more about them looking first-and-foremost to determine if their was reason to believe that the allegation may be true before acting as if it were known to be true (and making arrests, releasing names, etc.) This has not always been the case. I could site any number of examples detailed on this site wherein a woman made a claim, and police responded by arresting a named suspect, only to later learn of his innocence - too late to spare him reputational harm. This is why, of late, I've been noting the improved performance of LE in their efforts to investigate first.
The story you've linked also shows that police in that case seem to have done likewise, and even avoided releasing the name of that player who remained under investigation.
I'm not sure if you meant it to be in praise of LE for doing their jobs correctly in first looking to see if their was nay corroborating evidence, or whether your intent was to suggest that by even bothering to investigate and seeking corroboration for their claims, that they were erroneously lending credence to the claims of the two women.
“We're trying to be careful no matter who it would be,” Grimseld said. “We don't want to falsely accuse someone of something when we haven't determined from our side if they did something or didn’t do something. Our investigation is coming to a conclusion.”
Perhaps you might explain what you were getting at?
Cool picture. Funny. Well written article.
Slw, don't look for a hidden agenda. I assure you there is none. I think in this instance, LE acted responsibly with unbiased opinions towards both the accuser and accused. Like you said, Case-By-Case!
It is a very serious perversion of American law enforcement that has fostered this now "culture of false rape accusations."
The new American "Gender feminist / Law enforcement manufactured statistics for funding" Alliance; is a stain on the American constitution.
Law enforcement are now tools to "break the American patriarchy", and while the American patriarchy is broken, it can be ruthlessly taken advantage of by deviant elite money changers in the mortgage industry; who know the patriarchy is too broken and divided to hold them accountable.
Gender feminism breaks any "patriarchal resistance" to deviant elite money changers from deregulating the mortgage industry to the point of collapse.
Maybe the world will take note that when "patriarchies are broken", perverts have free reign to pervert, corrupt, and destroy, without any patriarchal folks demanding any sort of accountability and responsibility.
What the hell was that?
And this?
"Being raped isn't even in the same league as being falsely accused of rape."
"And this?
"Being raped isn't even in the same league as being falsely accused of rape.""
I believe that the statement means, being falsely accused of rape is worse than being raped.
We have three options, really. We could consider being falsely accused of rape better than being raped; we could consider being falsely accused of rape worse than being accused of rape; or we could consider them roughly the same.
Now, one thing being better than another does not imply that the former is good. Both can still be bad, but the former is not as bad, it is slightly more good, although it is not in itself good.
Now, in an absolute sense, I think we can say that rape is bad.
And, that being falsely accused of rape is also bad. Both are bad.
Now, this blog has shown time and again that one of the effects of being falsely accused of rape is that the victim himself becomes the victim of rape also.
So, if both rape and being called a rapist when you are innocent are bad things, then it seems obvious that both together will be worse than just one of them together.
E.g. it is bad to be raped, and it is worse to be raped and have your reputation destroyed.
Or, it is bad to be raped, but it is even more bad to be raped and be severely beaten for something you didn't do.
This is all really very simple. The only way you could argue against this is by saying that rape is good, in which case, something bad like being convicted for a crime you didn't commit is made better by the addition of rape. I'm sure none of us want to support that. So we can only conclude that FRAs are very often worse than rape, because they involve rape plus other bad things.
"we could consider being falsely accused of rape worse than being accused of rape;"
should read
"we could consider being falsely accused of rape worse than being raped;"
Snark, then you would agree that RAPE can be more devastating than being falsely accused?
By that I mean each rape case is unique depending on its circumstances.
All this federally funded mass hysteria is about "breaking the American patriarchy". With the American patriarchy divided and Broken, the deviant elite money changers can deregulate the mortgage industry until it utterly collapses and throws the worlds financial systems into chaos. While in more accountable "patriarchal societies" The deviants who de-regulated the American mortgage business to the point of collapse would be imprisoned for life, In America, Now the land of mass distraction/hysteria , (the land of the broken patriarchy) these deviants will not even get their names in the newspapers.
A Webb site where False Rape accusers can be named?
This might be an excellent deterrent.
: “I need to make an example out of you so that women will stop falsely accusing men of rape
Sent chills down my spine.
Slwerner said
That false imprisonment occur: yet, we also are aware that they are but a fraction of the outcomes for those falsely accuse.
Arod99k said
You don't know if its a fraction of the outcomes. Please stop. You don't know how many innocent men took plea deals to avoid a possible lengthy sentence, because some prosecutor wanted to increase their rape numbers. Only God knows how many innocent men are in prison do to FRA.
Tullamarine Airport in Melbourne yeserday just before 1pm I've got off a flight from Darwin where I've been working for a month.
Got off the plane and waltzed down to the luggage retrieval area. Nothing happening so I exited the nearest door to have a smoke. Really busy spot with thousands coming in and out of the place.
When I'm nearly through my smoke a woman runs into the building shouting something I can't make out. I put out the cigarette and head inside. Moments later the screaming woman, who had been yelling around the escalators to the left, ran back toward the door I was entering, pointed at me and yelled at a nearby security guard that I had stolen her bag and purse.
I spent the following couple of hours bailed up, NOT touched I should emphasise, by security officers and Federal Police. In public. Thousand of people walked past gawking and hundreds milled around smoking or whatever staring all the time at the "accused".
They ended up casting me adrift. No outcome. They "continue their investigation" and won't make any effort to tell me if I'm exonerated.
I only hear from them if they're to charge me.
The highlight of the experience was the male Fed officer, who had grilled me about my past non stop for over an hour, said sarcastically "you've got all the answers haven't you".
Net outcome for me is having been put on public display like being in the stocks. Public humiliation for a couple of hours and then a brisk "see ya later".
Terrifying. One of the worst experiences of my life.
A beautiful example of casual misandry in the 21st century. This is apparently perfectly acceptable journalism.
http://www.slate.com/id/2271180/
I wrote to the author of this blog but he never replied. Perhaps he didn't receive my email. There are a number of stories/articles/issues that have come to my attention recently that I'm sure would be of great interest to the readers of this blog. What I'd really like is a forum where we, the readers, can share and discuss things like this. I wonder if anyone else would be interested?
@ gwallan,
This is why you don't assist women. Ever.
Oct 18, 2010 5:40:00 PM
Oct 18, 2010 5:46:00 PM
Oct 18, 2010 8:06:00 PM
Enough already.
"...living your life out on a sex offender registry as a decreed rapist"
"I'm really confused by that previous comment. Sounds like somebody didn't get any last night."
YA THINK????
Am I the only one seeing a naked Emperor here?
The sex offender registry doesn't even deserve mention?
The sex offender registry is a living death sentence. What chance of a job, home or family life do you think you will EVER have again?
" if too much emphasis is placed on those who end up in prison, it might also seem that the plight of those who escape prison is being likewise trivialized"
Emphasizing dead soldiers might trivialize the plight of those who served as stateside mail clerks.
Great job, guys.
Anonymous - "Emphasizing dead soldiers might trivialize the plight of those who served as stateside mail clerks."
An interesting, yet weird "spin" on my words taken out of context.
My point had been that always including those who suffer other significant harms, yet escape prison, is something that we must be diligent about doing, lest we give the Sexual Grievance Industry the opportunity to suggest that only those who are falsely imprisoned are actually harmed, and since their are so few of them, then our whole concern over the FRA issue is simply over-blown.
All harms done, great and small, must be considered, and none de-emphasized as not rising to some imaginary threshold of importance.
In the land of the broken patriarchy, the NOW deviant elite (the only ones that can Unite), want transvestites to teach sex education to 10 year old school children, and the gender / Raunch "construction spin" is that transvestites are experts on sexuality for they have been male and female. The Gender / raunch establishment will spin perversion into anything they can now that any "patriarchal resistance" to their complete control is "divided and broken".
Each time I read something about victims being more affected by false accusations than those falsely accused I want to ask, "Where is the proof?" I have yet to see a study, report, or any research showing that rape victims are less likely to come forward because of false accusations.
The only connection I can see is the potential that false accusations will make people more skeptical about any allegations of rape. However, the investigative process would cover law enforcement. Most support services believe the stories they are told, and the public's opinion is what it is.
There is no evidence that false accusations significantly impact victims, at least not beyond raising someone's skepticism.
Toysoldier,
As always, your thoughts are welcome. I do have a response to your post, and some disagreement, and will do so, more in depth, later.
Thanks for stopping by.
And now that I am home, I can't, for the life of me, see what I would disagree with you on in your post, TS.
In all, I think skepticism, when it comes to investigations, and claims of rape, are a good thing on behalf of law enforcement. Their job is to investigate if a crime has occurred. If they go into the task with the mindset that a crime occurred, then they are looking to match a crime to the evidence, not the evidence to a crime.
The first smacks of guilty until proven innocent. The second is what our system is supposed to be about, innocent until proven guilty. Or, to put it another way, the evidence leads where it leads. We don't go into an investigation convinced a crime has occurred, and make the evidence fit that supposition. If it shows a crime didn't occur, or that the person they think did it, didn't, then so be it.
That is the problem with the SGI (Sexual Grievance Industry). They start with the assumption that a crime has been committed, and no matter what the evidence says, that the person accused, is always guilty). You do have to wonder how many in the SGI have had someone close to them falsely accused of rape, and what their reaction was, and how they handled it. It would be an interesting bit of information to know.
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