"WHEN did we start to dislike men so much that we're happy for them not to be part of our children's lives?"
"The distrust of males has been creeping up on us, fanned by the sick minds of a few who have stolen the innocence of children, and left heartache in their wake."
A must-read: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/pedophile-panic-is-marking-our-men-as-bad/story-e6frerhf-1225943189592
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Spot on...
The TV comedy series Brass Eye predicted all this in 2001 with the episode Paedogeddon.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9031532194656768989
27 minutes
You really should watch it right after reading this article.
Further to the above, re the Brass Eye episode...
95% of the talking faces on that programme are literally household names in the UK, Gary Lineker, the first one up, is like using Babe Ruth.
Anyone remember the "date rape" drug hype at Washington University?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/caffeinated-booze-drugs-sickened-students-party/story?id=11965071
I wonder if the "date rape" hysteria feminists and their ilk would like toast or biscuits to go with the egg on their faces.
Oct 26, 2010 9:05:00 AM
Thanks for posting that. I was skeptical of the story suggesting date rape drugs when I first read it.
It shows how both police and the media are influenced by feminist propaganda.
Anonymous - "It shows how both police and the media are influenced by feminist propaganda."
Um...
You do realize that it was the police who tested the women and the drinks, and determined that no "date-rape" drug were present, don't you.
This was really only a case of the media hyping it up.
Yes, the cops did detain one man found having sex with a woman, but he was quickly released when it was determined that she was "of age" and had consented.
Other than that, the police did what they were required to do. They had been called in, and claims of the women having been drugged were made. So they investigated and did testing - leading to the proper outcome of determining that no one had been drug against their knowledge or will.
Your statement seems to be implying that the police "botched" this case up (due to the influence of feminist propaganda - which, I agree is often the case). Yet, in this particular case, I fail to see where police did anything other than what they are required to do. Do you really believe that any cop could have just "blown off" the concerns and claims of the women there, and just left the party going?
This is a case of some dumb-ass, drunk-ass women feeling funny and buying in to the date-rape drug hype, and making claims which turned out to be false (that's on them).
The police responded, and while seemly a bit heavy-handed, they did their jobs pretty much as they are required and instructed to do.
Then, the media got a hold of the story, and fan the flames of hysteria (and, that' son them).
So, in this case, we have women at fault, and we have media at fault - but the cops actually come out looking pretty good this time.
"Um...
You do realize that it was the police who tested the women and the drinks, and determined that no "date-rape" drug were present, don't you."
You need to drop the condescending attitude.
"Your statement seems to be implying that the police "botched" this case up (due to the influence of feminist propaganda - which, I agree is often the case)."
No, it does not seem to imply that in any way whatsoever. Try to pay attention to what people actually write, instead of going out of your way to pick an argument.
Regardless, statements by the police, and their theory of the crime being investigated as described by these statements, do demonstrate that they were influenced by feminist propaganda.
"It's certainly a concern we have - that the women were targeted moreso than the men for possibly nefarious reasons," said Rosyln-Cle Elum Police Chief Scott Ferguson. "The majority of the people affected by the drugs were females."
"We suspect that again that these drugs were introduced to these students," Ferguson said earlier this weekend. "Probably without their knowledge."
"Many of the victims are women and police want to know if they were targeted specifically," said Ferguson.
And so on...
"This is a case of some dumb-ass, drunk-ass women feeling funny and buying in to the date-rape drug hype, and making claims which turned out to be false (that's on them)."
While I don't remember that from the articles I read, I wouldn't be to hard on a group of hung-over college girls engaging in speculation.
"Then, the media got a hold of the story, and fan the flames of hysteria (and, that' son them)."
Indeed.
"So, in this case, we have women at fault, and we have media at fault - but the cops actually come out looking pretty good this time."
Except that they were initially wrong about what happened, and made statements to the press that they shouldn't. Which I attribute to feminist propaganda and date-rape-drug hysteria influencing their judgment.
Drug scare: "...which I attribute to feminist propaganda and date-rape-drug hysteria ..."
That's exactly right. There are no roofies or ghb on any college campus. It's just another feminist rumor.
Yes, the cops did detain one man found having sex with a woman, but he was quickly released when it was determined that she was "of age" and had consented.
As if that were an innocent act. While he was indeed never charged, his arrest for a sex crime will hound him forever. When a sex crime is reported, cops have a nasty habit of not only hassling convicts and parolees in the area, but those with arrests as well.
Anonymous - "Except that they were initially wrong about what happened, and made statements to the press that they shouldn't. Which I attribute to feminist propaganda and date-rape-drug hysteria influencing their judgment."
I apologize for being condescending. There have been quite a few comments of late which seem to target police for whatever they do, without any consideration of the situations they arrive into, I (mistakenly) assumed that’s what you were alluding to. I should have been more thoughtful.
I'd not seen these statements from the Police Chief in any other news items about this matter. In others, the Police chief is not quoted as having used such definitive terms. But, from the quotes you’ve provide above it does seem that he was towing the feminist party line.
However, I would point out that when police where called to the party, they arrived to learn that drinks had been segregated between men and women, using the color of cups to designate who got what drinks.
Learning that such a practice had been employed, by design, by those holding the party, quite naturally pointed and increased likelihood that the women were correct in assuming that they had been targeted and drugged.
Also, the fact that it was only women who had complained of a fear of having been drugged, and that it was only women who were found to have passed out at the party, tended to increase that likelihood.
Thus, while the police chief should not have used terminology suggesting that it had been established that the women had, indeed been selectively drugged, that speculation was not unfounded.
My position on this is that while the Chief should not have shot his mouth off to the press, the other police involved – the officers on the scene, the investigators who followed up, and the technicians who collected and analyzed the samples all seem to have done their jobs correctly, and in keeping with what the situation they were presented with required of them.
I made the mistake of assuming that your complaint regarding them was that they took the word of the women who suspected that they been drugged, and acted on that speculation alone [my bad for doing so]. If that had been your intended complaint, my question would have been along the lines of what would the police have been expected to do – just leave the partiers alone on the word of the men involved that there was no “funny business” going on.
While you seem not to be such a person, I’ve encountered quite a few MRA-types who’s gripes include the police not simply taking the word of men over women (even though they’ll complain – rightfully – about the word of women being taken over men), and plenty of non-MRA types who simply gripe about the police breaking up their parties and their “good times”. To them, I would have to wonder what they’d have had to say if the alleged drugging turned out to have been true, and the cops had followed their preferred response, and had simply left the women at the party (and at the mercy of the men). There would have been some serious sh*t vs. fan collision.
And, while this will amount to my going off tangentially to what you raised, in my mind, there are still quite a few on this forum who tend not to consider what it is that police are expected to do when confronted with allegations. Some demand that police (somehow) stop all false allegations (never explaining how they envision this happening). Other complain that police treat allegation as though true and serious (rather than just ignoring them). Their unexplained demands that police somehow, magically, figure out that an allegation is false, both perplexes and frustrates me.
I should not have, however, placed you into that category of posters without knowing more. Again, my apologies.
randian - "As if that were an innocent act. While he was indeed never charged, his arrest for a sex crime will hound him forever."
As I understand it, he was not arrested - just detained; as in, prevented from leaving until it could be determined that the women was coherent, of age, and had consented to the sexual activity.
The press seems to have latch on to his (and her, BTW) being "caught" in the act as some sort of proof that the men at eh party had intended to drug and rape the women.
But, given that they had been called in on a report of women being drugged (likely for nefarious intents), and that they had found some women passed out, unless they actually arrested the man, I say that they actually handled the situation correctly given what they were told was happening.
Would anyone really expect them to have found the couple together under those circumstances, asked HIM if everything was okay, then left with a "carry on" at his assurances that everything was fine?
Radian:
"When a sex crime is reported, cops have a nasty habit of not only hassling convicts and parolees in the area, but those with arrests as well
Can you think of a better place to start?
"I apologize for being condescending."
Thank you for apologizing.
"However, I would point out that when police where called to the party, they arrived to learn that drinks had been segregated between men and women, using the color of cups to designate who got what drinks."
Sorry, that link doesn't work.
"that it was only women who were found to have passed out at the party, tended to increase that likelihood."
From what I read, merely the majority were female. However, that has a perfectly good explanation. Boys can drink more than girls.
"My position on this is that while the Chief should not have shot his mouth off to the press, the other police involved – the officers on the scene, the investigators who followed up, and the technicians who collected and analyzed the samples all seem to have done their jobs correctly, and in keeping with what the situation they were presented with required of them."
I agree. Police often need to engage in speculation, as they have to start somewhere. But they should keep it to themselves.
On a related note, I also do not approve of this new habit of law enforcement announcing to the press that someone is "a person of interest", unless they are deliberately trying to smoke that person out.
Anonymous - i>"Sorry, that link doesn't work."
I seem to be have some serious difficulties using Blogger, and getting it to work as expected.
The URL is http://www.komonews.com/news/local/104743394.html
The title is "Men, women given different cups at Roslyn party"
slwerner,
have you cleared your cache? maybe clear your cookies as well. I've had a few posts duplicate as well (comments), and clearing those has helped.
Just a thought.
"The title is "Men, women given different cups at Roslyn party"
Thanks, but it seems like that title is based on nothing more than hearsay:
"Matt Hughes, a local bartender and bouncer, rushed to the scene after he saw ambulances speeding through town and said drinking cups were segregated by gender, according to a college student he knows well."
Not there, not a witness.
People often have active imaginations and try to fill in the blanks with what they want to believe. And drunk people have a lot of blanks.
Also, the article says, "Investigators originally said 12 people were hospitalized, but officials with Central Washington University said Tuesday that they have revised the number down to nine -- six men and three women."
Even if those other three were female, six men and six women is not "The majority of the people affected by the drugs were females" as someone who managed to make chief announced. And no drugs were found, either.
I'm not trying to be harsh here, but there are very few proven cases of drug rape. GHB was banned as a "date-rape drug" before there was a single case of date rape with GHB.
Anonymous - "Not there, not a witness."
Yes, I understand this.
But, what that bartender was reporting was the rumor that was making it's way around the scene. There is a fair probability that when police arrived, and began asking questions as to what was going on, they heard the same rumor.
If so, it mostly likely would have factored in to their initial assessment of what might have been occurring.
My larger point was that there might well have been a number of things that would seem to support the claims of the women that they felt that they had been targeted to be drugged.
And, since the Police Chief, and not a PR officer spoke with the press, I would surmise that this is a small-town PD, lacking in experience dealing with the press, and with a chief prone to white-knighting instincts to protect women from evil college men. His comments seem more naive than nefarious to me.
"GHB was banned as a "date-rape drug" before there was a single case of date rape with GHB."
Your point?
Your point?
That the hysteria over GHB and date rape, like the "Rape Culture", is a crock of ****. the media hype it up and make it sensational, to sell the story. Never mind the accuracy. Every initial report that came out, stated the women as saying they had been given a date rape drug. And the press ate it up, and ran with it. Of course, they likely had the information that just as many men, if not more, had been hospitalized, yet they only stated that the women were the only ones who were unconscious.
There never has been a "date rape drug" issue. But the media STILL runs with it, like it is happening every day. It's irresponsible, at best, and to my mind, criminal, at worst.
So what was "your point" in asking that?
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