Do you suppose the victim of this crime will ever be the same? This is among the more dispicable false rape claims we've reported lately.
Lake Charles, La. — On Thursday, September 23, the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office arrested Tyler J. Leger, 19, of Lake Charles, for the alleged rape of a McNeese State University student. Last week his accuser was arrested after admitting to fabricating her story.
"I can tell you without reservation we absolutely had probable cause to arrest this man based on the information we had and that's unfortunate for him," said Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso in a press conference Tuesday.
With information given to deputies by the alleged victim, Kolbie M. Wade, 18, of Lake Charles, Leger was arrested without incident at McNeese while he was attending class. He was booked into the Calcasieu Correctional Center and charged with forcible rape. He remained in jail on a $750,000 bond set by Judge Michael Canaday.
After the arrest of Leger, and while the investigation was continuing forward, more information regarding the case became available to detectives. With this information, detectives interviewed several new witnesses which led to another interview with Wade. She continued to allege she was raped by Leger.
After the witnesses' information was verified to be true, detectives met with the District Attorney's Office on Tuesday, October 19, to discuss the case. After reviewing the facts of the case, it was decided the rape charge against Leger should be dismissed. Leger was immediately released from jail.
On October 20, the day after Leger was released from jail, Wade admitted to detectives she had fabricated the story of the rape. She confirmed that she did not know Leger and did not give a reason why she made up the story. Wade was arrested and booked into the Calcasieu Correctional Center and charged with criminal mischief. She bonded out later that day. She has no prior criminal history.
The Sheriff's Office is still in discussion with the District Attorney's office on other possible charges against Wade. One charge concerns the altercation of a public document. The other is the false swearing for purposes of violating public health and safety.
"These are more serious charges than the filing of a false police report," said Mancuso.
"I think it's important for the public to know that we have a safe campus. I think the McNeese police department does a great job and McNeese does a great job with ensuring the safety of our kids that go to school there," he added.
"I think our detectives did a great job, not just in the beginning of this case but following through with the case and subsequently figuring out that this crime did not occur."
"We need to make sure that women in our community understand that they need to report when an allegation of rape occurs and let us investigate it. Women need to be protected and our society needs to be protected from predators," said Mancuso. "What can't happen, obviously, is people fabricating stories and making up things."
"Incidents of false reporting are taken seriously because someone's freedom is ultimately taken away here for a period of time," according to MSU Chief of Police Cinnamon Salvador.
CPSO Detective Michael Primeaux is the lead investigator on this case.
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"We are not told what this purported probable cause was, but if it was the word of the accuser, that is more than just problematic."
Seeing as how the charge was forcible rape, and that the judge set such a high bond, my guess is that she told a tale of a rather serious rape. If the claim was simply of a date-rape nature, it would not have justified such a dramatic bond deviation.
This Kolbie Wade is just about the biggest A-hole since Biurny Peguero. And, should end up doing time also (fortunately, she seems to have left herself open to more serious charges being filed).
She let it go on, continued to lie, and left some guy she didn't even know to suffer in jail. And now, she will not explain herself?
In addition to jail time, she needs to be sued for enough to ensure that the judgment against her will keep her near poverty for many years, if not eh rest of her life, and leave her with such liability that no man would ever even consider marrying her (and also becoming liable).
The McNeese State police and the judge who set the high bond need to have this rubbed in their collective faces to remind them of their shame, and to set an example for other PD's to be more skeptical of the claims of women about rape. They shown themselves to have been "tools" of an evil bitch. They should feel great shame that they helped to further a grave injustice, and they should not be allowed to forget their shameful act.
After watching the Misandry Rape YouTube video, they mentioned an important point. A Psychologist in the video stated that we cant raise the penalty for a FRA to high. For example ten years in prison and a felony conviction, this would deter false accusers from changing there story to the truth, that they lied. This is a valid point that I am starting to agree with, but at the very minimum a misdemeanor charge should be given, this way the FRA will be permanently labeled a liar.
I would like to hear your take on this Pierce, SLW or Steve
Arod99k - "this would deter false accusers from changing there story to the truth, that they lied."
Here, in this story, as was the case with Biurny Peguero,and numerous others, the women didn't voluntarily come forward out of a sense of guilt and admit their lies. They had to be shown the evidence that proved they were lying before they came clean.
I think that this is a good opportunity to revisit the concept of a sliding-scale for punishing FRA's, based on the time it takes for the liar to come clean, whether or not the evidence would allow her lie to be conclusively proven before she did so, and on the amount of harm any victims might suffer during the time she maintained her lie.
As an example, Danmell Ndonye didn't hold out in her lie for very long, but it seems as though she would have save for the conclusive video evidence and, her victims suffered fairly significant harm even though in a shorter time span than many others. Thus, she would face greater penalty than a she would have had she simply admitted to her lie earlier and without having evidence presented to her.
Yet she would be punished less than some like Peguero, who maintained her lie to the point of seeing an innocent man sent to prison.
The woman in the story above was confronted earlier on when the evidence started to suggest that she had lied, and that gave her an ideal opportunity to come clean then, and reduce the harm to her victim. Instead she took advantage of one of the truly twisted ironies we see in FRA’s – while many men are denied their rightful presumption of innocence, the accusers ARE afforded a presumption of honesty, in that police must conclusively PROVE her to be lying before they can declare her allegation false. Their strong suspicions are not enough for them do so, and they must continue as if the accuser is telling the truth until such time as they have sufficient evidence to prove that she isn’t.
They cannot even to start to less the harms an innocent man is suffering unless they can prove that the allegation is untrue. In this case, they could not have even asked for a bond reduction without the justification of having conclusive proof that no crime had occurred.
This really speaks to the necessity to always investigate before arresting a man who is neither a continuing public threat nor a flight risk. They need to have it drilled into their heads that by the same token that they cannot be expected to know a woman is lying, they also CANNOT KNOW that she is telling the truth. They can no more rightly proceed as though they are convinced by her word, than they can ignore her claim because they are not convinced. They MUST be consistent and unbiased in order to do their jobs properly.
[it's getting late for me here, I'd like to say more, but I'm getting ti all jumbled up in my head. the wine isn't helping either. I'll pick it back up tomorrow]
After watching the Misandry Rape YouTube video, what did you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EWAZn-GxQ8
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"I think it's important for the public to know that we have a safe campus. I think the McNeese police department does a great job and McNeese does a great job with ensuring the safety of our kids that go to school there," he added.
Clearly they failed at protecting.
I am also fairly certain that a competent prosecutor can get some heavy charges against her, since he was arrested in class. One should hope anyway.
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Not giving FRA a felony conviction and decades in prison because they might not confess....
Makes as much sense as not giving a murderer or a robber or a rapist a felony conviction and decades in prison because they might not confess.
Are innocent males just supposed to be totally at the mercy of FRA?
campuses across the nation have become hot beds for the false rape accusation culture.
The more faulty and inflammatory agitation propaganda, with no one around to counter it with the truth, leads to "hysterically induced" miscarriages of justice, one after the other, after the other, after the other. Folks want to know why heterosexual males feel unwanted at universities around the country, its because the Gender / Raunch community (who now dominate many universities) don't like heterosexual males.
"This really speaks to the necessity to always investigate before arresting a man who is neither a continuing public threat nor a flight risk."
This is another reason why we need to require corroborating evidence: if nothing but the accuser's word is enough to prosecute, then nothing but the accuser's word is enough to arrest.
Also, notice she bonded out on the same day, while he was held for a month.
I'm also very curious what this purported probable cause was. If her admission that she didn't even know him is true, then what evidence could there have been? I'm also curious why she specifically accused someone she didn't even know.
When I googled "MSU rape", I found out about a political situation at Michigan State University earlier this month.
Now here is some left-wing propaganda disguised as journalism:
http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2010/10/dunnings_choice_deserves_scrutiny_
http://www.workers.org/2010/us/rape_1028/
http://michiganmessenger.com/42301/students-community-activists-plan-to-protest-ingham-county-prosecutor
Then there is this asshole:
http://www.searchingforbillyedelin.com/2010/10/1/1725117/who-are-the-michigan-state-basketball-players-accused-of-rape
These articles illustrate two things: outrageously terrible journalism, and the political pressure that is often put on prosecutors.
"Police: Woman made up rape report
A Starkville woman who told police two men tried to rape her Monday night off Industrial Park Road was charged Wednesday with filing a false report...
Eventually, Ellis admitted the story was false and was charged with making a false report, Thomas said. Ellis recently was kicked out of a friend's house and admitted she made up the rape allegation to gain their sympathy, Thomas said. She was released Wednesday on a $500 bond. "
http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=8438
More tiresome horseshit:
"Date rape affects as many as one in three women; doesn’t that alarm people?"
http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2010/10/university_response_to_alleged_sexual_assault_appalls_student
"Shocking: College Rapists Almost Always Get Off the Hook
While a man who rapes off-campus could face years in jail for his crime, a man who rapes on-campus is unlikely to even be expelled."
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/148460/shocking%3A_college_rapists_almost_always_get_off_the_hook/
"Leger was released from jail the same day. You may remember this was Leger's second arrest within a week. It was that previous arrest for allegedly using his neighbor's wireless Internet to download child pornography that led authorities to put Leger's picture among the lineup of six potential rape suspects."
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13389644
Anonymous - ”This is another reason why we need to require corroborating evidence: if nothing but the accuser's word is enough to prosecute, then nothing but the accuser's word is enough to arrest.”
You ask some very good questions, which are difficult to come up with good answers when so little information is given (one of my many pet peeves about the way in which the press reports that rape allegations have turned out to be false is that they are so frequently devoid of meaningful information. I suspect that they often withhold much of what is known from the public out of some misguided notion of sparing the false accuser further embarrassment or help top prop up the popular notion that woman who make FRA’s are just the “crazies” who we should pity rather than punish [/rant]).
Which leaves me with little more than some educated guess to suggest to you.
The first thing that stands out to me is the very high bond. Typically, bonds are determined via a schedule, which recommend as range based on the alleged crime. To get a bonder significantly higher than what the schedule calls for generally requires some compelling reason to seek what is termed a “bond deviation” (in that they are asking the judge to deviate from the schedule).
Now, some example of such “compelling reasons” could be the use of a weapon (or threat of deadly force) during the commission of an alleged crime, physically restraining a victim in furtherance of that crime (i.e. tying them up), or physically assaulting them (beating them).
I point these out because, in other stories of FRA that have been previously covered here (FRS), we have seen cases where women have staged evidence of such “compelling reasons” to treat their allegations more seriously. Woman have taken themselves to remote locations, stripped themselves naked, smeared themselves with dirt and debris, and bound themselves, so that they would be found in a condition which would suggest to most anyone that they had certainly been raped (search Gail Sherwood). Others have injured themselves, and torn (well, cut, actually, as the forensic lab determined) their clothing, and even retrieved semen from condoms to place on their persons to be found as evidence. [And, thanks to the FRS, we have the documentation showing instances of each and every one of these having actually happened]
So, if police respond to a woman alleging rape who has “set up” such evidence, the police are going to be more inclined to (as we, in the position to “Monday Morning Quarterback” know) over-react. In addition to all those “public panic” announcements, and the helicopter and K-9 searches, any poor sap who’s unlucky enough to have been targeted is going to end up being treated more harshly – including the staged evidence of a violent crime being used to justify a higher bond.
It’s no secret here at the FRS that I’m going to be more sympathetic to the POV of the police, so I hope that this might serve to explain why it might be that the response in this case was “over-the-top”.
I’m not looking to excuse the police, I’m actually criticizing them for allowing themselves to be duped into their over-reaction. As I noted in an earlier comment, just as they cannot know that a given women is lying about a rape, they also cannot “know” that she is telling the truth. Given that once severe responses are set into motion, they are going to have to have convincing evidence that the crime did not happen in order to reverse course (I’m referring to the high bond, here), they MUST be certain of that their “compelling reasons” as sound.
In the Hostra hoax case, Danmell Ndonye “upped the ante” by claimed to have been tied up (kidnapped), which no doubt served to exacerbate the reaction that both police and other jail inmates had towards her “targets”. What I’m suggesting is that, minus the claim of having been both restrained and raped, the men she’d gang-banged would have been spared the physical abuse they suffered. Many men, police and criminal alike, still suffer from an innate tendency to be white-knights and seek to extract a measure of revenge on behalf of women they believe to have been brutalized. It’s not right, but it is human nature.
Anonymous - ” Also, notice she bonded out on the same day, while he was held for a month.”
Unfortunately, that goes back to that bond schedule issue. Her’s cannot be classified as a violent crime, nor to have been committed with weapons or restraint s that would “enhance” her crime. We can look at it logically and surmise that she should be given the exact same bond (and treatment) that her innocent victim was, but, following the law, it just can’t be done. [Damned the bad luck!]
Anonymous - ”I'm also very curious what this purported probable cause was. If her admission that she didn't even know him is true, then what evidence could there have been? I'm also curious why she specifically accused someone she didn't even know.”
These are the very questions that make the lack of detail reported so frustrating to me. I’m running a bunch of speculations through my head, trying to guess what might make sense, but this one just doesn’t lend it’s self to an easy explanation.
One scenario I’d offer for consideration is that she was cheating on a boyfriend, and happened to have had sex with someone else in a location where she happened to have see the guy (perhaps as she was leaving that spot). Her boyfriend suspected her infidelity, and challenged her (shades of Danmell Ndonye), to which she pulled out the old “I’ve been raped” card to try to play off her cheatin’. He demands to know when, where, and whom (and taking it the cops). In her haste to sell her story, she names the spot where she’d been with her lover, picks the poor guy see saw nearby to name, and adds claims of his use of a weapon and/or threats as to why she didn’t struggle or cry for help on the spot. [“I was too scared to yell, or to go find a cop and report it”]
Again, it’s just my speculation, but the guy might have just been convenient “back-fill” to complete her story.
Anonymous - "http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13389644"
Excellent find! Good work!
Well, so much for the speculations I just posted.
He'd been arrest for another crime, so she was shown his picture, and, as luck would have it, she picked him.
Well, (back to speculating, for me) I'm guessing it wasn't luck.
the trouble with photo-lineups (and why defense attorney so easily "shred" them in court) is that when police have a suspect in mind, they do things to "suggest" his picture to a victim or witness. They may not even do it deliberately, but only subconsciously, but they will do things like subtlety shake that picture, move their finger towards that picture, or even hesitate to change from the page that the picture is on when the witness fails to pic it.
I can tell you that prosecutors hate to be given a case built on a photo line-up. Nothing but headaches for them to try to get it admitted. [I sure seem to be "dropping" a lot of names here lately, but, remember "Duke"? Highly suspect photo line-up used there too]
Her’s cannot be classified as a violent crime, nor to have been committed with weapons or restraint s that would “enhance” her crime.
And to me, that is part of the problem. Her claim, led to him being "restrained" in prison for a month. That should be considered when bail, etc. is being considered. She is directly responsible for that happening.
Along with a change to a felony for an FRA, the differing degree of that felony should be determined by the stage the case reaches (investigation, arrest, charge, trial, etc.). Anything beyond investigation should mandate either high bond, or none what so ever (IMO).
She deserves at least 15 years in prison and to register as a sex offender for life.
Look at OJ Simpson. He is serving that much time for not letting some guys leave a room for a few minutes.
"We need to make sure that women in our community understand that they need to report when an allegation of rape occurs and let us investigate it. Women need to be protected and our society needs to be protected from predators," said Mancuso.
Spoken like a true mangina.
SL werner says
Many men, police and criminal alike, still suffer from an innate tendency to be white-knights and seek to extract a measure of revenge on behalf of women they believe to have been brutalized. It’s not right, but it is human nature.
scott say, only in a climate of "hysteria" do folks act irrational and burn witches, and rape lynch people. faulty and inflammatory rhetoric now being distributed on a regular basis from abc news, is perpetuating mass hysteria.
Abc news goes seamlessly from a false rape accusation with the letter B carved into the side of her face; to a false gang rape in a bathroom; to a mass Rape for ruffies false accusation...with such ease it is almost criminal. I believe these folks have a price to pay for "inflaming hysteria."
We all know "something happened" during the Duke lacrosse false rape case.
These are the words of a sick perverted individual.
"We need to make sure that women in our community understand that they need to report when an allegation of rape occurs and let us investigate it. Women need to be protected and our society needs to be protected from predators," said Mancuso.
The problem here, is part of the White Knight Syndrome(WNS). What those suffering from the delusion of WNS don't/can't comprehend, is that the one making the false allegation IS the predator.
So, what Mancuso is saying, is that women need to be protected from other women? The complete disconnect from reality on this is astounding. It is MEN who need to be protected from predators such as this. Cause it sure as hell wasn't a woman who spent a month in jail over her lie.
With information given to deputies by the alleged victim, Kolbie M. Wade, 18, of Lake Charles...
So, based on nothing more than what she told deputies, he was arrested. And yet they claim:
"I can tell you without reservation we absolutely had probable cause to arrest this man based on the information we had and that's unfortunate for him,"
Pardon me, but if all you had was information that the complainant gave, with no additional investigation at that point, how did you have probable cause? What supporting proof did your investigation provide that supported her claim? As far as I can tell..... NONE.
Once again, we see the WNS destroying a young man's future, with callous disregard for the act. I would stress, that the next time this man comes up for election (If the sheriff there is elected), his opponent should use this case to hammer home just how much Mr. Mancuso DOESN'T follow proper police procedure and investigate a claim, prior to taking action, and how unfit he should be for the office.
And for those who can't tell, this pisses me off. This girl (she certainly is to immature to be called a woman), deserves a serious jail sentence. And the sheriff deserves a swift kick in the ass.
And now, having said all of that, I wonder if this is why she chose him. An easy target of opportunity:
http://www.dps.state.la.us/lspnewsr.nsf/db14d4e0632f509686256c76005182da/08597873205f3e53862577a200502baa?OpenDocument
I have a hard time believing that this isn't the same person, and that is why she chose him. He would be less likely to be believed, and the quick arrest, with little/no investigation, would then make sense.
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