Thursday, September 23, 2010

The pain of a false rape claim 'is not a pain I would necessarily have spared' innocent men


Men who are unjustly accused of rape "have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them." Catherine Comins

You mean, like this, Ms. Comins?

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

well let's see them justify that one.

Anonymous said...

So what's the point? Those men had to answer for the sins of all men, so no loss. Right?

Human-Stupidity.com said...

Interesting article. You could have quoted more of it.

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This line of reasoning has led some women, especially radicalized victims, to justify flinging around the term rape as a political weapon, referring to everything from violent sexual assaults to inappropriate innuendos. Ginny, a college senior who was really raped when she was 16, suggests that false accusations of rape can serve a useful purpose. "Penetration is not the only form of violation," she explains. In her view, rape is a subjective term, one that women must use to draw attention to other, nonviolent, even nonsexual forms of oppression. "If a woman did falsely accuse a man of rape, she may have had reasons to," Ginny says. "Maybe she wasn't raped, but he clearly violated her in some way."

Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar, also sees some value in this loose use of "rape." She says angry victims of various forms of sexual intimidation cry rape to regain their sense of power. "To use the word carefully would be to be careful for the sake of the violator, and the survivors don't care a hoot about him." Comins argues that men who are unjustly accused can sometimes gain from the experience. "They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. 'How do I see women?' 'If I didn't violate her, could I have?' 'Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?' Those are good questions."


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101910603-157165,00.html#ixzz10MjcZEvx

Zek J Evets said...

hear hear!

Anonymous said...

This article is nearly a decade old. And you tied it to a picture that is clearly not the type of consequence she was referring to. Yes it was a hateful comment and yes it is frightening that she was actually of that opinion. Yet I find myself not caring as it is not current. New content please, especially if someone is going to repost it to reddit.

AfOR said...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11397515

12 years jail time.... yesss...

I love "Perverting the Course of Justice"...

it has TEETH.

party said...

The False Rape Society should be renamed the False Hope Society for pretending like women are impacted by false rape accusations in any meaningful way. What a pathetic banner for a website demanding ACCOUNTABILITY from others.

Axel said...

"This article is nearly a decade old. And you tied it to a picture that is clearly not the type of consequence she was referring to."

Your comment is laughable. Seriously laughable. Because anyone familiar with false rape phenomenon knows that THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF CONSEQUENCE that too often happens. Read the fucking blog and learn something.

As far the article being nearly a decade old, you think this sort of thinking is out of date? Have you read Glenn Sacks' blog today about Meredith Maran? She said she'd choose a falsely accused man to suffer in jail if it would spare a child from injury. So stop suggesting this type of hateful thinking is remote or marginalized. Go read this blog on Blackstone's rule. My guess is you are OK punishing an innocent MALE, too.

And "party," you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, either. My guess is that this is the first time you ever saw this blog.

Note to Pierce: keep it up, man. You touched a nerve with, as you call them, the lunatic fringe.

Archivist said...

". . . you tied it to a picture that is clearly not the type of consequence she was referring to."

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see any indication in the article where Ms. Comins said, ". . . except for falsely accused black men killed by angry mobs." Hmm. Must have missed that.

See, once the false rape claim is made, it's kind of like unleashing the genie from the bottle. You can't control it, and men and boys falsely accused are killed, or kill themselves. Some are beaten, chased, spat upon, fired, ostracized, kicked out of their homes. Some lose their businesses, their life savings, their wives, and their sanity.

Think I'm making it up? Every example I've cited is from a news story reported on this blog.

Do you think Ms. Comins ware referring to any of THOSE consequences?

Tell me this: what about falsely accused white men and boys killed by angry men? Would Ms. Comins think those are OK? Are they worthy of your feminist protection? Somehow I doubt it.

I'm with axel. You ought to spend a few weeks reviewing the true life stories on this blog before you write another word.

Archivist said...

Human-Stupidity, I've written about that article previously. The point of the post today was the picture.

kragshot said...

Uh...to the person who said that consequence was not what she was referring to; then what consequences was she expecting?

Ms. Comins knew exactly what she was talking about in that quote. The entire article was discussing how women can "regain power from men" by leveling false rape claims against them. For you to try to say otherwise either indicates your lack of reading comprehension or a genuine intent of disingenuous diversion from the truth of the article.

And as for black men being lynched, the relevance to today is pretty obvious, or have we already forgotten the consequences of the Hofstra case?

Never mind; of course you have, because even though the young black men were innocent of that rape, you are pretty certain that they raped somebody, right?

Moving on....

Great as always, Pierce.

Archivist said...

Kragshot, brilliantly put.

Anonymous said...

time magazine....affiliated with cnn.

Real big surprise!

A totally disgusting woman being published by a totally disgusting magazine.

This is why I refuse to watch cnn....and watch or read anything they have a hand in producing.

Anonymous said...

Hey wait a minute, i thought women and girls would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER lie about rape???

Anonymous said...

Hey wait a minute, i thought women and girls would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER lie about rape???

Quiet Heart said...

Let the false accuser suffer a punishment identical in severity and duration as the falsely accused would have suffered if the charges were true. Then, only then, will some women see the damage their false accusations incur.

Anonymous said...

Afor

I looked at your link.

I wonder if a woman did that if she would have got anywhere near that amount of jail time?

If a woman did that here in the united states I doubt they would even file charges against her.

Anonymous said...

"Yes it was a hateful comment and yes it is frightening that she was actually of that opinion. Yet I find myself not caring as it is not current."

It isn't because the comment isn't current that makes you unable to care - such a reason to excuse yourself from the gut revulsion normal people feel in the face of such abominations places you amongst the pitiless.

You don't care because you can't.

Anonymous said...

This happens so often to men falsely accused of rape that we might say it is essentially the only consequence of an FRA, and of course Comins wouldn't have spared men this pain,the pain of death, because killing men was the POINT of the false rape accusations.

False rape accusations are a gendered weapon of mass destruction used by the matriarchy in this war of the sexes with one aim only, to destroy men because they are men.

Anonymous said...

The Gender feminist community is not attacking all men, just those nasty heterosexuals.