by Connie Chastain*
Back in June, Dr. Snark posted a masterful essay titled, "How Long Can They Pin It On 'Fringe Radicals'?" If you missed it, follow this link. If you read it before, it's worth reading again.
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-long-can-they-pin-it-on-fringe.html
It begins with the claim of earnest feminists, that they "don't hate men at all, and that those so-called feminists who do hate men are not really feminists at all, and that we've just got it all wrong."
I've butted heads with earnest feminists making these claims for years, in discussion groups and chat rooms online, and a few times in person. I note that in-person, face-to-face headbutting is usually much more civil, even polite, than what happens online; but feminist minds seem to be equally closed and concrete-hard, regardless of where the discussion transpires.
Earny-fems not only deny that man-hating feminists are not real feminists; they deny the many ways feminist man-hating manifests in our culture.
A couple of years ago, I had a some lively discussions about a Newsweek article by feminist Carol Gilligan claiming that studying girls can teach us about boys.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10965127/site/newsweek/
In making her case that boys can "read the human world astutely" she claims that boys, to avoid "compromising masculinity," often repudiate their "human qualities" (i.e., emotional openness, sensitivity and connectedness). She illustrates this with an anecdote about little Sam.
Four-year-old Sam asked his mother one day, "Mommy, why are you sad?" Wanting to shield him from her sadness, she replied, "I'm not sad." Sam said, "Mommy, I know you. I was inside you."
Well, I told the folks in my discussion group that this was a bunch of hooey. Utter shuck. Made. Up.
A four-year-old -- girl or boy -- would not make that kind of abstract connection, I explained. Little Sam would know his mommy was sad because she had a sad expression on her face, or because she was crying. Most kids that young would associate "being inside" someone with being devoured, a terrifying concept which does not fit with emotional openness, sensitivity and connectedness.
The outcry produced in the group was a marvelous illustration of the traversing of feminist tangents. Did I think four-year-olds don't know where babies come from? (Some of them do, but that wasn't the point.) It's because I've never had kids that I don't know what four-year-olds think. (If you have to personally experience something in order to discuss it, a great many people in that group would have to forego commenting on their favorite subjects.)
The one I liked best, though, from one of the most earnest, self-proclaimed feminists in the group, was that nobody ever heard of Carol Gilligan, so how much influence could she have?
Well, Carol Gilligan, for those who don't know, almost single-handedly started the process of making elementary and secondary education in the USA hostile to the way boys learn. You can read about it here:
http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2006/0208roberts.html
This, of course, is another point of denial for earnest feminists. The schools aren't hostile to the way boys learn, they claim. They've just stopped being hostile to the ways girls learn, and the girls are catching up -- nay, surpassing -- boys.
And this defense of feminism frequently comes from women who say they have sons. Gilligan starts her article noting that she has three of them.
Regardless of how earnest feminists choose to see it, feminism is shot through with manhating. If education truly was hostile to the way little girls learn, the remedy would have been to make it accomodating of them without harming boys. The fact that the road chosen included hostility not only to the way boys learn, but to boys themselves, has now resulted in an educational boy-crisis that is difficult for even feminists to deny.
http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/?page_id=2261
And how many folks believe that Title Nining college sports would have been so popular among certain cirles if it had only made sports equally available to female students? No, it is the eradication of so many male sports that rouse feminists to a fist-pumping "Yes!"
I could go on, but that should illustrate it well enough. What underlies so much of the feminist push to change culture in the guise of helping women is really a hostilility to men, the same hostility that creates hysteria over an imaginary "rape culture" and that equates a man accused of rape with "perpetrator" and the accuser with "victim," before it has even been determined that rape occurred.
Earnest feminists can deny it all they wish but misandry is an integral and visible component of feminism.
*Connie is a member of the FRS team. Her weekly essays appear every Friday. Her personal blog is http://conniechastain.blogspot.com/
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I know I've mentioned it before, but "The War Against Boys" is worth reading.
I have no idea what earlier feminism was all about, but the modern "Gender / Raunch Empowerment" feminsm is straight up perversion.
Earlier feminism was on the same track, too.
We have to remember that this train of development was only arrested, mid-century, due to depression and war. The 20s had much more continuity to the 70s than they did to the 50s: women were rather sexually liberated in the 20s and were also flexing considerable political muscle, being instrumental in banning booze (perhaps the major "women's issue" of the age). Bad times stamped that down for a time, until prosperity eventually brought the lid off it again.
There is no such thing as "equality feminism", and there never was. The reason for that is twofold. First, equality (in the sense of neither sex having any advantage over the other socially, legally, culturally) is an ideal, and ideals are not realizable in reality. So right off the bat, one must acknowledge that even if "full equality" is the goal, it will never be reached -- either men will remain ahead of women, or women will surpass men and get ahead of them.
The second reason is that once one gets a momentum of successes going, stopping that momentum in the interests of equality "seems wrong", so instead things play themselves out. This is what has happened in education. The idea was to help girls, so they created a boy-unfriendly system (being the father of a boy, I can testify to the reality of this in the public schools). But once the girls began to surpass the boys, did they seek to address this in the interests of "full equality"? Not at all. Instead, groups like AAUW produce self-serving reports saying that the fact that girls are outpacing boys is not a problem and "anxiety about this reflects anxiety about changing gender roles") -- the translation of this is, roughly "It was bad when boys were ahead of girls because that meant that boys were ahead of girls, but now that girls are ahead of boys, that's fine because it's the girls who are ahead, and we all know that girls are the smarter sex and that they should be the ones to lead, the boys be damned".
In other words, not only is "full equality" not attainable, but even the advocates of "full equality" quickly abandon that once their "side" is "winning" in whatever real-world inequality exists.
And when people point this out, what do you do? Why, you trot out tendentious claims like the wage gap (which even federally-sponsored studies have shown to be based almost entirely on female job choices and work habits as compared with men), and wave the bloody shirt around claiming "we have a long way to go until we have full equality", even as 60% of college grads are girls and 80% of the job losses are male.
There is word for this: shamelessness. And it's a shamelessness fueled by (1) a sense of entitlement based on feelings of revenge (i.e., "I'm glad to that men are getting theirs!" and "It's our turn to lead, get out of the *&*^*ing way") and (2) pure hatred of men.
That's the world we live in, sadly.
"A couple of years ago, I had a some lively discussions about a Newsweek article by feminist Carol Gilligan claiming that studying girls can teach us about boys."
Another stinking piece of feminist shit. "Boys are having problems,how do we fix this? *I* know! Let's put a dress on Billy and call him SALLY,maybe THAT will fix the problem." Does anyone actually believe that someone could be this stupid? This ignorant of cause and effect?
Actually, I think this emphasis on trying to "awaken the inner female" (which isn't actually there,in straight men,at least) in males is a kind of sick paraphilia common to women. I think it's a way for them to get off on sexually humiliating (I will go one further and call this "sexual abuse" as it is abuse with sexual overtones) little boys who are too young and inexperienced to defend themselves.
Trying to take away a straight man's masculine modes of expression is akin to raping him, and in fact, males who are raped often experience a loss of their sense of masculinity, so a direct relationship CAN be established there.
I think it should be a crime to do what these feminists do and I think that crime should be punishable by many years in prison.
It is one thing when males who are gay or bisexual are being told that it's ok to act like females, because most of them are effeminate to start with, but feminists aren't content with that. I believe that the entire purpose of supporting these gay men in feminization is to attempt to induce EVERY man to act more womanly. They are trying to FORCE ALL MEN to be more feminine, not just support the gay men who are. That is wrong, and I would say not only WRONG,but a form of psychological torture,and that it merits severe punishment.
Maybe this is nit-picking, as I agree with the overall tone of Connie's article.
Her comments on what the illustrative little 4-y/o "Sam" said don't ring true for me. I have worked with very young children, and saying things about being inside mommy or living inside her tummy as a baby are VERY much like what I hear kids that age say. Not strange at all.
Any of you dads want to chime in on that?
Another very excellent article Connie. Does Carol Gilligan have a son?
@ social worker.
You're a fucking idiot.
Kids REPEAT what they hear, that is not internal dialogue or though processes.
It is not even understanding of the sounds they are uttering.
twinkle twinkle little star is just training in making sounds, not philosophy and astronomy for 3 year olds.
Kids of three will still try to put larger toys and onjects into smaller ones, they CLEARLY, TO ANYONE WITH A BRAIN, are totally unable to grasp any concept such as "Inside" especially in a biological sense.
Kids growing up on a farm, in a male environment, get "inside" in a biological sense at around five years old. The calf came out of the cow, the piglet came out of the sow, the puppy came out of the bitch, they have seen this with their own eyes hundreds of time, so it is a fact of life, so they can accept, when told, you came out of mummy.
Urban kids don't grasp this until they are 9 or 10, even though they will repeat it if asked as young as 7.
Much obliged, Connie. ;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
Wikileaks founder accused of rape, "dirty tricks" reported.
Beat me to it, AfOR.
Undoubtedly a false accusation by a system trying to destroy a whistleblower.
The question is, is anybody going to believe it?
here is your answer Snark
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/08/21/1138240
lots of people had money on him being accused of kiddie porn, as that would also have shut down the websites.
Social Worker, I don't think we're really in disagreement. Four year old kids can understand some of it. I was about that age when one of my cousins was born. I was told that my aunt's tummy had got big because my baby cousin was growing inside her. When the baby came home and we went to visit her, I asked my aunt to stand up so I could see if her stomach was flat again. (She did and it was.)
At the time, though, I didn't connect my new knowledge about gestation and birth with me and my mother. I was somewhat older before that occurred to me. Even then, I knew it second-hand, because I was told; it wasn't something I remembered from experience.
Regarding Gilligan's article, I reject the notion that a four year old knows his mother is not telling the truth about feeling sad "because I was inside you". There is nothing in the process of pregnancy that confers upon the baby special knowledge about the one gestating it that the baby can remember and use after it's born, and it wouldn't occur to a kid to say so. It makes as much sense as Gilligan saying she knows boys and school don't mix because she read Tom Sawyer and Catcher In the Rye.
Kids learn about their mothers, and everyone else, from living around them and observing them. At no time in my life have I ever based my knowledge of my mother (her emotions, motives, personality, intelligence, skills, anything) on the fact that I was inside her before birth. I knew she was happy, sad or angry beause she looked and acted that way (or said so). I knew she was detail-oriented and had great design sense because I observed those qualities in her.
I believe Gilligan made up the anecdote to bolster her case that boys are conditioned to subordinate their "human" (i.e., feminine) qualities so they won't compromise masculinity.
Anonymous 3:49, Carol Gilligan has three sons.
Assange latest.
The prosecutor has now WITHDRAWN the arrest warrant, citing lack of evidence.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/assange-anhallan-havd-1.1157250
Yep. It was a fucking smear tactic. The bastards know that they can destroy a man with a false rape charge. It doesn't have to be a malicious woman making the complaint. It's just the standard way of destroying a man and his credibility.
Afor, thanx for keeping us posted on the latest false rape case. Its just further feeding the perversion when law enforcment call it "unfounded", when it was a straight up "false" rape accusation.
There is a very real price to pay for the gender feminist perversion of our legal system, and that will be the eventual trivialisation of rape accusations.
GET GENDER FEMINISM OUT OF OUR LEGAL SYSTEM, THEY ARE MAKING A PERVERTED MESS OF IT.
I'm thouroughly convinced that western society is in the midst of another cycle of "Rape hysteria".
Nothing will combat "Rape hysteria", and the mob/klan mentality that it foments accept the truth. But Now the perversion is deep, for the law enforcement has been told to keep the truth from the public about the false rape culture epidemic we are now in the midst of.
About this Wikileaks/Julian Assange accusation: I'm fully in agreement with you guys that this is a false accusation made by a government as a political weapon! Imagine if they had gone with kiddie porn charges instead of rape.
****What gets discussed at this website just got 1000 times more important****
Julian has balls the size of watermelons and he's exploiting one of the very few avenues left by which our ever more secretive and corrupt government(s) can have their rotted inner workings exposed. The kicker: there's not a fucking thing the motherfuckers can do about it -- not while staying civil at least.
So yes, this was fully expected. After all, the Pentagon has highly paid experts trained to discover and exploit all possible attack vectors of any given enemy. With Julian and Wikileaks, all they've got to resort to is down-in-the-gutter, back-alley, gangster tactics. I imagine this story will continue to unfold.
Glenn Greenwald has followed the Julian Assange/Wikileaks story very closely and today hits it on the head [emphasis mine]:
Maybe one day we'll learn that an accusation is not proof of guilt. And the Swedish authorities who validated these charges and trumpeted them to the world -- only for them to be withdrawn less than 12 hours later -- ought to be investigated.
He also mentions the tragic case of "ex-Marine and U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter" who during the chearleading run-up to Iraq was accused of kiddie porn*. His crime? Stating repeatedly (and correctly) against a Media/Pentagon/White House onslaught of war propaganda that there were no WMD in Iraq. I had totally forgotten about this case and came across it long before this blog existed.
NOTE*: And once again we see that the true masters of this (U.S.) government, our corporate defense/media/bankster overlords, are not in the least affected by whichever 'political faction' holds power. Republican/Democrat/"conservative"/"liberal" -- meaningless and empty concepts, though endlessly distracting. The wars go on. The smear tactics are the same. The middle class is robbed of liberty, privacy and assets. The elite are ever more coddled and privileged.
slightly OT
a female friend sent me the following, apparently it is very popular on the facebook profiles and dating profiles of women recently.
In view of my opinion that most if not all FRA's are infected with a Personality Disorder (cluster b) of some type, I was both non-surprised and simultaneously horrified.
It is a quote.
It is also a "shit test"
It is also a stark warning, you have to be seriously up your own ass and drunk on the kool aid to say this stuff in a description of yourself
''I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best..'' - Marilyn Monroe
Marilyn Monroe, is she a feminist?
7:42: Shutup, moron.
"Marilyn Monroe, is she a feminist?"
Going by that quote, she's an entitled and spoiled infant of a woman. Feminist? I wouldn't know or care.
AfOR - I've seen that quote a lot and I don't like it or the way it's phrased (particularly the "sure as hell" bit), but I think the sentiment behind it is just that everyone has flaws and you have to take the bad as well as the good; if you leave when things get hard, you don't deserve your partner. For richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health... that sort of thing.
On an unrelated note, glad to see the Assange accusation being discussed on here.
Off topic, but up for consideration:
This is Sam Marrs from Hulbert,okla.I am writing this for my Grandson Coty Marrs.
In April of 2007 he ran afoul of the Adam Walsh Act,. an act written by a confessed sex addict and a US senator who courts little boys. How can they make laws for our children when no one would want them around their children?
My grandson Cody was at an all-night birthday party for one of his sisters friends when he was 18 years old. According to people at the party, an older woman bought liquor for the attendee's, including my grandson, and he became intoxicated, so a few folks put him in one of the bedrooms to sleep it off. A young lady, age 14, who was being frisky followed him into the room and Cody and the girl admit things went a little too far and they had consensual relations. We do not condone the behaviors of our grandson, nor the others, however we do understand Cody and this young lady shared in consensual relations and there was no force or violence. Basically, two dumb kids being irresponsible but does this make one a monster?
A few days later, a female Sheriff's Investigator came to our home and just walked in, without knocking. My wife, Cody's Grandmother, had to ask her twice who she was before she told her. The Investigator said she just wanted to ask my grandson some questions.
My wife asked this woman, 3 times if Cody needed an attorney, and the Investigator responded, "No, I just want to ask him some questions." She took Cody into the kitchen, where no one else was allowed while questioning our grandson and had him sign a confession she wrote out, that he had sex with this young lady from the party. After signing the confession, she placed Cody under arrest without reading him his Miranda Rights and led him out of our kitchen. My wife was aghast and mentioned that she, (the officer) told her that Cody did not need an attorney. This woman Investigator just grinned and said, "he doesn't, he just confessed," and then proceeded to take our grandson to the local jail where he was booked.
The next day the girl involved sent an email to the girl who had the birthday party. It stated that my grandson had not seduced her and she was sorry for causing trouble. Her email name was "punkass rocker".
I took a copy of this email to the district attorney in hopes he wouldn't file charges since the girl, nor her mother, wanted to press charges against Cody. I was informed by the District Attorney that it was up to the state to file charges, and he did.
We hired a local attorney to represent Cody, and three or four months into this, we found out that this lawyer had been disbarred. We immediately hired another attorney with a local law firm in Tahlequah area. Cody's case was assigned to one of this lawyer's interns who just threw us to the wolves. My grandson took a plea to keep me from being out any more money.
Sam Marrs
off topic, but a war against boys nontheless:
This is Sam Marrs from Hulbert,okla.I am writing this for my Grandson Coty Marrs.
In April of 2007 he ran afoul of the Adam Walsh Act,. an act written by a confessed sex addict and a US senator who courts little boys. How can they make laws for our children when no one would want them around their children?
My grandson Cody was at an all-night birthday party for one of his sisters friends when he was 18 years old. According to people at the party, an older woman bought liquor for the attendee's, including my grandson, and he became intoxicated, so a few folks put him in one of the bedrooms to sleep it off. A young lady, age 14, who was being frisky followed him into the room and Cody and the girl admit things went a little too far and they had consensual relations. We do not condone the behaviors of our grandson, nor the others, however we do understand Cody and this young lady shared in consensual relations and there was no force or violence. Basically, two dumb kids being irresponsible but does this make one a monster?
A few days later, a female Sheriff's Investigator came to our home and just walked in, without knocking. My wife, Cody's Grandmother, had to ask her twice who she was before she told her. The Investigator said she just wanted to ask my grandson some questions.
My wife asked this woman, 3 times if Cody needed an attorney, and the Investigator responded, "No, I just want to ask him some questions." She took Cody into the kitchen, where no one else was allowed while questioning our grandson and had him sign a confession she wrote out, that he had sex with this young lady from the party. After signing the confession, she placed Cody under arrest without reading him his Miranda Rights and led him out of our kitchen. My wife was aghast and mentioned that she, (the officer) told her that Cody did not need an attorney. This woman Investigator just grinned and said, "he doesn't, he just confessed," and then proceeded to take our grandson to the local jail where he was booked.
The next day the girl involved sent an email to the girl who had the birthday party. It stated that my grandson had not seduced her and she was sorry for causing trouble. Her email name was "punkass rocker".
I took a copy of this email to the district attorney in hopes he wouldn't file charges since the girl, nor her mother, wanted to press charges against Cody. I was informed by the District Attorney that it was up to the state to file charges, and he did.
We hired a local attorney to represent Cody, and three or four months into this, we found out that this lawyer had been disbarred. We immediately hired another attorney with a local law firm in Tahlequah area. Cody's case was assigned to one of this lawyer's interns who just threw us to the wolves. My grandson took a plea to keep me from being out any more money.
This is when Hell on earth began for Cody, and us, as he took a plea to a felony conviction of Second Degree Rape, under Oklahoma statutes (all consensual cases read second degree rape), classed by offense, not an assessment, as a Tier 3 Violent, Aggravated Sex Offender for life. The plea bargain required five years felony sex offender probation supervised, and ordered Cody to undergo treatment. Cody's sex offender treatment included group therapy with people who beat women up and raped them and one guy who forcibly raped a 6 year old boy. He had a good job but had to miss every Wednesday to go for treatment. This some times involved driving 2 or 3 hundred miles to make these meetings.
Just in the last few months, the District Attorney decided he needed to move out of the home where he spent his entire life because I had guns in the house. His Probation Officer knew this because he had seen them and they are locked up. But with a change in the Probation Officer came a whole new set of rules and Cody went to his dads house 5 miles west of Hulbert. As a Registered Sex Offender he had to report his new residence so he gave the sheriff the address on the mailbox in his Dad's front yard. He didn't know that a guy who rented a trailer house space from his dad had put up the mail box. Cody had his mail forwarded when he moved. However, mail from the Oklahoma Department of Corrections was returned and Failure to Register charges were filed on Cody.
Now the local District Attorney is asking for Cody to serve ten years in a Oklahoma Prison! Under our laws my grandson will serve 85% of his sentence if found guilty.
If this can happen in a country I loved and fought for, why am I still living here?
My grandson is just a kid and yet is facing many years in prison while others like the Assistant D.A. involved in prosecuting this new case, was fired out of the Muskogee County DA office, and the sheriff's investigator who arrested him was picked up by the OHP for DUI/drugs and resigned from the sheriff's department.
I was under the impression that the Gestapo went out of business in 1945,but it is alive and well in Cherokee County, Oklahoma.
This country's sex offender laws have been patterned after a set of laws which failed, known as the Jim Crow laws. Simply take the word "negro" and insert "sex offender" and its all the same except for the part about Equal Protection.
Why are we giving up our children to a bunch of asinine people who don't care a snap about right or wrong ,just a conviction record?
When you write letters to the Governor , Senators, Congressmen, Judges, district Attorney's, and the Attorney General who never responds and ignore their constituents,who do you turn to just to get your side of the story told? No one has listened yet. Is everybody afraid? I'm to old to be afraid of anything. My wife of 45 years has suffered a stroke from stress behind this and no body gives a damn.
Please someone help us tell our story so we can educate other family's with youngsters like my grandson Cody. Please help me save his life!
Written by,
Sam Marrs
This is when Hell on earth began for Cody, and us, as he took a plea to a felony conviction of Second Degree Rape, under Oklahoma statutes (all consensual cases read second degree rape), classed by offense, not an assessment, as a Tier 3 Violent, Aggravated Sex Offender for life. The plea bargain required five years felony sex offender probation supervised, and ordered Cody to undergo treatment. Cody's sex offender treatment included group therapy with people who beat women up and raped them and one guy who forcibly raped a 6 year old boy. He had a good job but had to miss every Wednesday to go for treatment. This some times involved driving 2 or 3 hundred miles to make these meetings.
Just in the last few months, the District Attorney decided he needed to move out of the home where he spent his entire life because I had guns in the house. His Probation Officer knew this because he had seen them and they are locked up. But with a change in the Probation Officer came a whole new set of rules and Cody went to his dads house 5 miles west of Hulbert. As a Registered Sex Offender he had to report his new residence so he gave the sheriff the address on the mailbox in his Dad's front yard. He didn't know that a guy who rented a trailer house space from his dad had put up the mail box. Cody had his mail forwarded when he moved. However, mail from the Oklahoma Department of Corrections was returned and Failure to Register charges were filed on Cody.
Now the local District Attorney is asking for Cody to serve ten years in a Oklahoma Prison! Under our laws my grandson will serve 85% of his sentence if found guilty.
If this can happen in a country I loved and fought for, why am I still living here?
My grandson is just a kid and yet is facing many years in prison while others like the Assistant D.A. involved in prosecuting this new case, was fired out of the Muskogee County DA office, and the sheriff's investigator who arrested him was picked up by the OHP for DUI/drugs and resigned from the sheriff's department.
I was under the impression that the Gestapo went out of business in 1945,but it is alive and well in Cherokee County, Oklahoma.
This country's sex offender laws have been patterned after a set of laws which failed, known as the Jim Crow laws. Simply take the word "negro" and insert "sex offender" and its all the same except for the part about Equal Protection.
Why are we giving up our children to a bunch of asinine people who don't care a snap about right or wrong ,just a conviction record?
When you write letters to the Governor , Senators, Congressmen, Judges, district Attorney's, and the Attorney General who never responds and ignore their constituents,who do you turn to just to get your side of the story told? No one has listened yet. Is everybody afraid? I'm to old to be afraid of anything. My wife of 45 years has suffered a stroke from stress behind this and no body gives a damn.
Please someone help us tell our story so we can educate other family's with youngsters like my grandson Cody. Please help me save his life!
Written by,
Sam Marrs
This is when Hell on earth began for Cody, and us, as he took a plea to a felony conviction of Second Degree Rape, under Oklahoma statutes (all consensual cases read second degree rape), classed by offense, not an assessment, as a Tier 3 Violent, Aggravated Sex Offender for life. The plea bargain required five years felony sex offender probation supervised, and ordered Cody to undergo treatment. Cody's sex offender treatment included group therapy with people who beat women up and raped them and one guy who forcibly raped a 6 year old boy. He had a good job but had to miss every Wednesday to go for treatment. This some times involved driving 2 or 3 hundred miles to make these meetings.
Just in the last few months, the District Attorney decided he needed to move out of the home where he spent his entire life because I had guns in the house. His Probation Officer knew this because he had seen them and they are locked up. But with a change in the Probation Officer came a whole new set of rules and Cody went to his dads house 5 miles west of Hulbert. As a Registered Sex Offender he had to report his new residence so he gave the sheriff the address on the mailbox in his Dad's front yard. He didn't know that a guy who rented a trailer house space from his dad had put up the mail box. Cody had his mail forwarded when he moved. However, mail from the Oklahoma Department of Corrections was returned and Failure to Register charges were filed on Cody.
Now the local District Attorney is asking for Cody to serve ten years in a Oklahoma Prison! Under our laws my grandson will serve 85% of his sentence if found guilty.
If this can happen in a country I loved and fought for, why am I still living here?
My grandson is just a kid and yet is facing many years in prison while others like the Assistant D.A. involved in prosecuting this new case, was fired out of the Muskogee County DA office, and the sheriff's investigator who arrested him was picked up by the OHP for DUI/drugs and resigned from the sheriff's department.
I was under the impression that the Gestapo went out of business in 1945,but it is alive and well in Cherokee County, Oklahoma.
This country's sex offender laws have been patterned after a set of laws which failed, known as the Jim Crow laws. Simply take the word "negro" and insert "sex offender" and its all the same except for the part about Equal Protection.
Why are we giving up our children to a bunch of asinine people who don't care a snap about right or wrong ,just a conviction record?
When you write letters to the Governor , Senators, Congressmen, Judges, district Attorney's, and the Attorney General who never responds and ignore their constituents,who do you turn to just to get your side of the story told? No one has listened yet. Is everybody afraid? I'm to old to be afraid of anything. My wife of 45 years has suffered a stroke from stress behind this and no body gives a damn.
Please someone help us tell our story so we can educate other family's with youngsters like my grandson Cody. Please help me save his life!
Written by,
Sam Marrs
This is when Hell on earth began for Cody, and us, as he took a plea to a felony conviction of Second Degree Rape, under Oklahoma statutes (all consensual cases read second degree rape), classed by offense, not an assessment, as a Tier 3 Violent, Aggravated Sex Offender for life. The plea bargain required five years felony sex offender probation supervised, and ordered Cody to undergo treatment. Cody's sex offender treatment included group therapy with people who beat women up and raped them and one guy who forcibly raped a 6 year old boy. He had a good job but had to miss every Wednesday to go for treatment. This some times involved driving 2 or 3 hundred miles to make these meetings.
Just in the last few months, the District Attorney decided he needed to move out of the home where he spent his entire life because I had guns in the house. His Probation Officer knew this because he had seen them and they are locked up. But with a change in the Probation Officer came a whole new set of rules and Cody went to his dads house 5 miles west of Hulbert. As a Registered Sex Offender he had to report his new residence so he gave the sheriff the address on the mailbox in his Dad's front yard. He didn't know that a guy who rented a trailer house space from his dad had put up the mail box. Cody had his mail forwarded when he moved. However, mail from the Oklahoma Department of Corrections was returned and Failure to Register charges were filed on Cody.
Now the local District Attorney is asking for Cody to serve ten years in a Oklahoma Prison! Under our laws my grandson will serve 85% of his sentence if found guilty.
If this can happen in a country I loved and fought for, why am I still living here?
My grandson is just a kid and yet is facing many years in prison while others like the Assistant D.A. involved in prosecuting this new case, was fired out of the Muskogee County DA office, and the sheriff's investigator who arrested him was picked up by the OHP for DUI/drugs and resigned from the sheriff's department.
I was under the impression that the Gestapo went out of business in 1945,but it is alive and well in Cherokee County, Oklahoma.
This country's sex offender laws have been patterned after a set of laws which failed, known as the Jim Crow laws. Simply take the word "negro" and insert "sex offender" and its all the same except for the part about Equal Protection.
Why are we giving up our children to a bunch of asinine people who don't care a snap about right or wrong ,just a conviction record?
When you write letters to the Governor , Senators, Congressmen, Judges, district Attorney's, and the Attorney General who never responds and ignore their constituents,who do you turn to just to get your side of the story told? No one has listened yet. Is everybody afraid? I'm to old to be afraid of anything. My wife of 45 years has suffered a stroke from stress behind this and no body gives a damn.
Please someone help us tell our story so we can educate other family's with youngsters like my grandson Cody. Please help me save his life!
Written by,
Sam Marrs
This is when Hell on earth began for Cody, and us, as he took a plea to a felony conviction of Second Degree Rape, under Oklahoma statutes (all consensual cases read second degree rape), classed by offense, not an assessment, as a Tier 3 Violent, Aggravated Sex Offender for life. The plea bargain required five years felony sex offender probation supervised, and ordered Cody to undergo treatment. Cody's sex offender treatment included group therapy with people who beat women up and raped them and one guy who forcibly raped a 6 year old boy. He had a good job but had to miss every Wednesday to go for treatment. This some times involved driving 2 or 3 hundred miles to make these meetings.
Just in the last few months, the District Attorney decided he needed to move out of the home where he spent his entire life because I had guns in the house. His Probation Officer knew this because he had seen them and they are locked up. But with a change in the Probation Officer came a whole new set of rules and Cody went to his dads house 5 miles west of Hulbert. As a Registered Sex Offender he had to report his new residence so he gave the sheriff the address on the mailbox in his Dad's front yard. He didn't know that a guy who rented a trailer house space from his dad had put up the mail box. Cody had his mail forwarded when he moved. However, mail from the Oklahoma Department of Corrections was returned and Failure to Register charges were filed on Cody.
Now the local District Attorney is asking for Cody to serve ten years in a Oklahoma Prison! Under our laws my grandson will serve 85% of his sentence if found guilty.
If this can happen in a country I loved and fought for, why am I still living here?
My grandson is just a kid and yet is facing many years in prison while others like the Assistant D.A. involved in prosecuting this new case, was fired out of the Muskogee County DA office, and the sheriff's investigator who arrested him was picked up by the OHP for DUI/drugs and resigned from the sheriff's department.
I was under the impression that the Gestapo went out of business in 1945,but it is alive and well in Cherokee County, Oklahoma.
This country's sex offender laws have been patterned after a set of laws which failed, known as the Jim Crow laws. Simply take the word "negro" and insert "sex offender" and its all the same except for the part about Equal Protection.
Why are we giving up our children to a bunch of asinine people who don't care a snap about right or wrong ,just a conviction record?
When you write letters to the Governor , Senators, Congressmen, Judges, district Attorney's, and the Attorney General who never responds and ignore their constituents,who do you turn to just to get your side of the story told? No one has listened yet. Is everybody afraid? I'm to old to be afraid of anything. My wife of 45 years has suffered a stroke from stress behind this and no body gives a damn.
Please someone help us tell our story so we can educate other family's with youngsters like my grandson Cody. Please help me save his life!
Written by,
Sam Marrs
This is when Hell on earth began for Cody, and us, as he took a plea to a felony conviction of Second Degree Rape, under Oklahoma statutes (all consensual cases read second degree rape), classed by offense, not an assessment, as a Tier 3 Violent, Aggravated Sex Offender for life. The plea bargain required five years felony sex offender probation supervised, and ordered Cody to undergo treatment. Cody's sex offender treatment included group therapy with people who beat women up and raped them and one guy who forcibly raped a 6 year old boy. He had a good job but had to miss every Wednesday to go for treatment. This some times involved driving 2 or 3 hundred miles to make these meetings.
Just in the last few months, the District Attorney decided he needed to move out of the home where he spent his entire life because I had guns in the house. His Probation Officer knew this because he had seen them and they are locked up. But with a change in the Probation Officer came a whole new set of rules and Cody went to his dads house 5 miles west of Hulbert. As a Registered Sex Offender he had to report his new residence so he gave the sheriff the address on the mailbox in his Dad's front yard. He didn't know that a guy who rented a trailer house space from his dad had put up the mail box. Cody had his mail forwarded when he moved. However, mail from the Oklahoma Department of Corrections was returned and Failure to Register charges were filed on Cody.
Now the local District Attorney is asking for Cody to serve ten years in a Oklahoma Prison! Under our laws my grandson will serve 85% of his sentence if found guilty.
If this can happen in a country I loved and fought for, why am I still living here?
My grandson is just a kid and yet is facing many years in prison while others like the Assistant D.A. involved in prosecuting this new case, was fired out of the Muskogee County DA office, and the sheriff's investigator who arrested him was picked up by the OHP for DUI/drugs and resigned from the sheriff's department.
I was under the impression that the Gestapo went out of business in 1945,but it is alive and well in Cherokee County, Oklahoma.
This country's sex offender laws have been patterned after a set of laws which failed, known as the Jim Crow laws. Simply take the word "negro" and insert "sex offender" and its all the same except for the part about Equal Protection.
Why are we giving up our children to a bunch of asinine people who don't care a snap about right or wrong ,just a conviction record?
When you write letters to the Governor , Senators, Congressmen, Judges, district Attorney's, and the Attorney General who never responds and ignore their constituents,who do you turn to just to get your side of the story told? No one has listened yet. Is everybody afraid? I'm to old to be afraid of anything. My wife of 45 years has suffered a stroke from stress behind this and no body gives a damn.
Please someone help us tell our story so we can educate other family's with youngsters like my grandson Cody. Please help me save his life!
Written by,
Sam Marrs
@ AFOR:
"You're a fucking idiot."
Ouch, AFOR. And really uncalled for.
What I stated isn't off the top of my head. It's basic human development that's been accepted knowledge for about 2-3 generations now. You have referenced Cluster B personality disorders a few times, so I'm assuming you have some familiarity with the DSM and diagnostic concepts.
So you may know of Piaget, Bandura and Vygotsky. There are others, but the basic idea is that children learn concrete concepts between 3-7 years old. Very young children can have a simple grasp of concepts like "inside," "up," "over," etc.
Even so, you didn't disagree with what I said. It is possible the child was just repeating what they heard. Which still means they said it. It doesn't address whether they understood it or not.
And every child is not the same. Some develop earlier than others and are able to grasp concepts that may not normally develop until a few months or year or two later.
I think calling me a fucking idiot is a little over the top considering we not in complete disagreement here.
I apologize for the repeats of my post.
Don't know what caused that to happen.
Sorry.
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