I am beyond weary of female features writers at major dailies, especially in the UK, being permitted to say whatever hateful thing they want about the issue of false rape claims without being held accountable to the truth. Their views aren't deserving of civility since they are coated with a patina of gross dishonesty and blatant misandry.
I will dissect the hateful comments of Guardian writer Barbara Ellen on the subject:
Don't give men anonymity on rape
ELLEN: It's astonishing that the government is still pushing its heavily criticised plan to give rape suspects anonymity. They have quietly changed it from anonymity until conviction to anonymity until chargedcorrect [sic] and there are hints of a free government vote in autumn. Still, with false rape allegations amounting to no more than a handful, rather than a genuine epidemic, what possible justification do they have?
FRS: There they go again. They act as if things are rendered true merely because they say them. Your premise that false rape claims are very rare is dishonest in the extreme, Ellen. No one can assert the prevalence of false rape claims with specificity, but the overriding evidence reveals they are a significant problem. Spend a few weeks reading through this site and perhaps you won't engage in such vile prevarications.
As for the "possible justification," you can't seriously mean that? The harm of publicly identifying falsely accused men is unconscionable, because a rape claim is loathsome and because, once a rape claim is alleged, unlike other allegations of criminality, it is nearly impossible to disprove. Get it? Yes, but it doesn't matter to you, does it?
Oh, and nice editing. Perhaps that enlightened newspaper should think about hiring a proofreader so that readers can be sure they are reading your inanity instead of typos.
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ELLEN: Widening this out, it could be that this Commons gender division is also true of the country. Maybe men generally feel strongly about anonymity, while women feel the opposite. If that is the case, then how should we proceed? Well, that's a no-brainer – the female viewpoint obviously takes precedence, simply because, with rare exceptions, women are the victims of rape. Certainly, it seems ludicrous to go the other way. While men are more likely to be falsely accused of rape, they are also, in far greater numbers, the perpetrators of it.
FRS: There you have it. Inanity, irrationality, and hatred have officially replaced logic, rationality, and fidelity to the highest principles of journalism at the Guardian. I lack the skills to adequately describe why this statement is among the most imbecilic I have ever read in a major news publication. Barbara Ellen's utter disregard for the falsely accused is beyond despicable. Men who are falsely accused of rape are victimized by members of Ellen's gender almost exclusively. And Ellen enables false accusers with her hate screed.
ELLEN: This is not about twanging 1970s dungarees and hysterically screaming: "All men are rapists!" This is about the fact that Mmost [sic] rapists are men and most rape victims are women.
FRS: And almost all false accusers are women.
ELLEN: So keep opposing, women MPs – this is one area where, morally and legally, the female voice should be strongest.
FRS: I am laughing out loud that this person has the audacity to talk about morality. Kind of like Osama bin Laden lecturing about morality.
Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/11/raoul-moat-rape-ronald
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Women want to be able to falselly accuse a man of rape, because of the "Empwerment" they get from it.
"Rape hysteria" was the main tool for the "Empowerment" of the Klu-Klux-Klan, and "Rape hysteria" is now the main tool for the "Empowerment" of the "Gender feminists".
Most law enforcement in the U.S. are cashing in too heavilly on "federal pork dollars" in the name of "Protecting Women", to bite the hand that feeds them.
False rape is empowerment
False rape is equality
False rape is justice
False rape is a right
False rape is legal
False rape doesn't exist
False rape is rape. Period.
She's grabbing at straws because the collective pussy pass is coming up to its expiry date.
The UK Parliament threatens to pass something to benefit men, so this THING argues that women should have all the power to make such decisions.
Feminism is collapsing into pieces around her; I see this as the desperate cries of someone who has fallen to their knees screaming "WHY? WHY?"
Feminist, you never deserved all those privileges you had; I understand that losing them now is painful, but you've fucked with men's human rights just one too many times. You've gone too far, and now nobody cares what you think. The debate isn't about what's good for WOMEN any more. We're coming back around to the fact that men are actually human beings.
I don't think they realize: by their utter misandry, they turn off a lot of men who are otherwise predisposed to supporting issues that uniquely affect women. Now, men are realizing that any issues that uniquely affect men not only are ignored by the women in power, but women in power are predisposed to oppose them.
Since the "men" issues aren't getting any support, I don't have time for the "women" issues any longer. Sorry, ladies.
"Since the "men" issues aren't getting any support, I don't have time for the "women" issues any longer. Sorry, ladies."
In fucking deed.
There already exists a huge SURPLUS of support for female well-being.
And a total DEARTH of support for male well-being.
As such, I do my bit for equality by helping to support male well-being, and by convincing others to do so as well; and by not caring in the slightest about women's "issues", and by convincing others not to either.
ELLEN: Widening this out, it could be that this Commons gender division is also true of the country. Maybe men generally feel strongly about anonymity, while women feel the opposite. If that is the case, then how should we proceed? Well, that's a no-brainer – the female viewpoint obviously takes precedence, simply because, with rare exceptions, women are the victims of rape. Certainly, it seems ludicrous to go the other way. While men are more likely to be falsely accused of rape, they are also, in far greater numbers, the perpetrators of it.
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How is that a "no-brainer?" Unless the needs of the vagina outweigh the needs of the innocent. That isn't exactly how legal tradition sees it -- normally we are supposed to place a very high premium indeed on protecting the innocent.
Even from a utilitarian standpoint, it makes far more sense to grant full (not just up to the moment of charge) anonymity to the defendent, since immeasurably more harm is inflicted on the innocent victim of a false rape accusation than on a rape victim.
Perhaps that is the source of Barbie's "the female viewpoint obviously takes precedence" meltdown: she is unable to think of rape as anything but the most urgent, all-encompassing issue on the planet, and preventing rape as anything but a utopian goal of infinite importance, compared to which the harm inflicted on innocent people is but a minor drawback (or even a justifiable revenge against men in general).
"Since the "men" issues aren't getting any support, I don't have time for the "women" issues any longer. Sorry, ladies."
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The male viewpoint obviously prevails.
And I've noticed you use the word "ladies" very loosely...
Notice how literally nothing Barbie says in her little diatribe is true?
First she falsely asserts that there is no false rape epidemic.
Then she jumps to the conclusion that this issue is strictly divided along gender lines.
Next she really dives off the cliff with her bizarre and indefensible claim that "obviously" since most rape victims are women, therefore it's okay to rape innocent men in the papers.
And finally, she insists that she is not a screaming, psychotic feminazi like the kind that claimed back in the 70's that all men were rapists.
Which is, of course, exactly what she is.
Really, the assumption here is that the basic human rights of innocent men are meaningless - since those who rape women are usually men.
Of course, those would be GUILTY men, not INNOCENT men, but such a difference matters not at all to feminists who want to see 'justice', i.e. punishment delivered collectively, to males as a whole.
Feminists apparently have a really hard time accepting that there are men who have not committed rape (approx. 99.999% of all men.)
It's a basic logical fallacy;
This example of X is Y,
therefore all examples of X are Y.
This accused man is guilty of rape,
therefore all accused men are guilty of rape.
Therefore their human rights don't matter.
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Well, that's a no-brainer – the female viewpoint obviously takes precedence, simply because, with rare exceptions, women are the victims of rape. Certainly, it seems ludicrous to go the other way. While men are more likely to be falsely accused of rape, they are also, in far greater numbers, the perpetrators of it.
In which case the male viewpoint on virtually every other crime of violence obviously takes precedence for the same reasons.
I would add that there are more men and children raped than women and there are more instances of rape involving male victims than female if prison rape is taken into account.
Furthermore female perpetrators are responsible for between a quarter and a third of all child rapes and an unknown and unexplored number of rapes of adult males.
That Ms Ellen so casually marginalises all male victims and all victims of female perpetrators - those being victims of both genders - is an act of cruelty on her part. That she would do so in order to marginalise victims of another crime again is absolutely unconscionable.
I write this as a survivor of child sexual abuse by a woman, a long time advocate for all victims and a current board member of a government funded counseling service in my own country of Australia.
I say to Ms Ellen that her "help" is no help at all. That her marginalisation of so many victims for reasons of her own gender political ideology does great harm to all victims. Know, Ms Ellen, that when you marginalise victims of abuse you contribute to the harm they experience as a consequence of that abuse. Thus you may as well be a participant abuser.
Shame on you Ms Ellen.
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If women are (98% of the time) the perpetrators of cutting babies from the wombs of other mothers...does that mean we should sequester pregnant women from other women??
Interesting. I posted a brief message to the moderator suggesting that censoring a rape survivor who works for victims is not a good look after which I reposted my original message. The note to mod was deleted but they have left up the second attempt with my original post.
Strikes me that their mods dont read the entire messages before knee jerking them into oblivion.
I'll keep an eye on it for a while. Good thing the World Cup final is on.
EXTRA TIME!
Trouble is, this feminist has no real concept of rights, justice, truth, etc.
"Rights," in her fuzzy little world, are "whatever results in getting back at men."
"Justice" is "holding men collectively responsible for their crimes against women, while ignoring the crimes of women against men."
"Truth" is "whatever the voices in my bladder tell me the morons who love my column will let me get away with."
Basically, she's a child. Minus the cuteness and innocence and potential.
British feminists in particular tend to be particularly nasty and irrational. This appears to be a symptom of the wider social problems and decline of civility that characterizes British society now, something many people have written about extensively. I used to follow publications like New Statesman years ago, but I stopped after becoming tired of the misandry and unthinking feminist canards that defined any coverage of gender issues.
The arguments put by this author are so lame, childish and self-serving that one assumes any sensible person would instantly recognize their stupidity. In future, articles like this will be cited as evidence for why women shouldn't be allowed to vote or hold public office.
By the author's reasoning, since men are exclusively the victims and women the perpetrators of paternity fraud, I guess men should remain anonymous while women accused of paternity fraud should be named. And we should always just take a man's word that the woman is guilty, because after all, since men are exclusively the victims men's interests should prevail.
It's a no-brainer, Nick, that the man's perspective should prevail. More men are victims of paternity fraud, and victims have limitless moral authority that is in no way countermanded by any need to protect the innocent. So it's fine to falsely accuse women of paternity fraud.
But we're using real arguments and logic, which can be tested by applying them to different situations. Barbie Ellen doesn't have a neural network that allows her to do that. She's an idiot who has no capacity for self-criticism.
Any moron would look at that incredibly revealing five words -- the female perspective should be prevail -- and realize what's wrong with it, and with her: THERE IS NO 'FEMALE PERSPECTIVE."
When Barbie goes back to kindergarten and gets the remedial education she so desperately needs, the first thing she needs to learn is that PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS.
That's why justice is all about determining the truth in a particular case, without distorting that truth to make it conform to your prejudices.
False Rape accusations now outnumber real rapes 10-1, so considering there are now so many false rape accusations, and girls are making them for the most trivialest of reasons, I believe if were not giving girls long jails sentences for their false rape accusations we should at least offer the men and boys falselly accused to basic privacy.
Why can these screaming hysteria banshees have it their way all the time??
False Rape accusations now outnumber real rapes 10-1, so considering there are now so many false rape accusations, and girls are making them for the most trivialest of reasons, I believe if were not giving girls long jails sentences for their false rape accusations we should at least offer the men and boys falselly accused to basic privacy.
Why can these screaming hysteria banshees have it their way all the time??
There is a "Female perspective" when it benefits gender / Raunch feminism...
There is no difference between men and women...when it benefits Gender / Raunch feminism.
False rape accusations probably do not outnumber true rape reports by a factor of 10 to 1.
However, they may outnumber true rape reports, and they absolutely occur with disturbing frequency.
The question, as I see it, is do women want equality in the judicial system. I agree with Yvette Cooper, shadow minister for women and equalities, who said: "Again the Government's failed to give any reason why rape should be treated differently to any other crime ". If women want equality then both the accuser's and the accused's name should be made public, and rape be treated no different than any other crime. If the women want the accuser's name to remain withheld from the public then the accused name should also be withheld until convicted. Any statement to the contrary simply means women do not want equality.
She might as well come out and say it.
If a woman can destroy a man on nothing more than an allegation, who needs a court system to convict him?
A conviction and sentence has become redundant, considering the harshest penalty has already been meted out on the man, irrespective of the truth.
This is what she wants to continue. 100% punishment rates for all men that a woman has pointed a finger at.
Unspeakable evil.
Basically, she's Hitler in a skirt. If she could eliminate the jusice system altogether and replace it with automatic lynchings of any man who is accused by any woman she would do it in a heartbeat.
She is the enemy not only of men but also of human rights.
"Basically, she's Hitler in a skirt. If she could eliminate the jusice system altogether and replace it with automatic lynchings of any man who is accused by any woman she would do it in a heartbeat.
She is the enemy not only of men but also of human rights."
How far women have progressed since the days of racist lynchings in the South USA.
Same rationale back then too: "he rayyyped me!!!" Same pointed fingers, same sick malicious accusations ... why? Just to feel power, to revel in another's suffering and the ending of their life, carried out by someone else so you don't have to feel guilty (even though they did it on your behalf, you can rationalise it away since you didn't do the deed, only caused it to happen ...)
She is not only sick and hateful but also a coward. Why won't she allow criticisms of her bigoted, fallacious spew?
She can dish it out but she can't take it.
"If women are (98% of the time) the perpetrators of cutting babies from the wombs of other mothers...does that mean we should sequester pregnant women from other women??"
No, women consent to abortions, but no one consents to being raped or falsely accused of rape.
Is there too much lead in the water at feminist troll headquarters? He was talking about fetus-snatching, not abortion.
"British feminists in particular tend to be particularly nasty and irrational."
Believe me, American feminists aren't any better.
@ Anon @ 7:41
"No, women consent to abortions, but no one consents to being raped or falsely accused of rape."
The unborn human being does not consent to being killed.
The woman "consenting" is in fact speaking not for herself, but for a separate human life.
I have no facts to prove it, but I bet you will not find one single false rape accused who has not also had an abortion... mine has a VIP pass at the abortion clinic.
Which is also totally irrelevent to this discussion.
Every year, governments pass truck-loads of legislation and vote increasing amounts of public money in favor of women.
Anonymity for the rape accused will be the first law change in favor of men that many of us will be able to recall in out entire lives.
And these awful women can't stand it. Even though there really is nothing in it that harms the interests of the broad majority of women - only those few who want to see a man harmed, just in case he isn't found guilty (and truth be damned).
What does that tell you about the way they think?
FRS: And almost all false accusers are women.
I think they you should just write that all false rape accusers are female. As a general statement it would be correct and the handful of male false accusers is insignificant, aside from the fact that these females have no problem saying that all rapists are men even though we know that many females rape vulnerable young boys.
There's one problem with females, and also with pussy whipped manginas and that is that they don't understand that it is the accused who has the rights in court, not the alleged "victim". It is the accused who can be falsely imprisoned if his rights are not respected while the outcome of a trial really has no effect on the victim. Even in the case of a real crime the victim isn't really effected whether the defendant is found guilty or acquited aside from the vengeance aspect of it.
Anon @ 11.49 wrote-As such, I do my bit for equality by helping to support male well-being, and by convincing others to do so as well; and by not caring in the slightest about women's "issues", and by convincing others not to either.
I also will not do anything that will benefit a female in any way. Even if every gov't and non gov't benefit that feamles are eligible for were eliminated(it won't happen) a female can always figure out a way of using someone(men) and being able to survive. Men don't and never have had this luxury and even in today's socialised world of benefits there are still many men leading miserable lives. You really don't see homeless females or females living in flop house type conditions since there is always someone to bail them out whether it's the gov't or the Salvation Army etc.Females have it easy and when they have a problem it's always one of their own making. Ignore them and waste no time or money on them.
Personally, I always give a man the chance to earn money or get ahead since he is usually supporting himself and probably a female and kids while most females only work because they don't like staying home or want to make some money to buy some useless junk for themselves.
If I'm in a store where I know the salemen earn commissions I always have a man assist me and in fact if a female tries to help me I'll ask for a male salesperson. In places where I know they don't work on commission I'll let the female help me so she can work and earn her pay instead of chit chatting or wasting time until closing time.
"Is there too much lead in the water at feminist troll headquarters?"
This needs to stop. Not everyone who says something you don't like is a "feminist troll".
"He was talking about fetus-snatching, not abortion."
Why? It seems like it is a very rare phenomenon. I severely doubt anyone has ever compiled such a statistic, and that there have even been fifty cases for it to be possible. More to the point, neither topic has anything to do with anonymity for men accused of rape.
"I have no facts to prove it, but I bet you will not find one single false rape accused who has not also had an abortion... "
You are right, you have no facts to prove it, so lets not jump to gross generalizations based on a single example. That being said, I'm sure there are false rape accusers who have not had abortions simply because one does not depend on the other. Regardless, while not all States report the number of abortions to the CDC, and unfounded rape accusations aren't counted by the UCR, based on what is counted in the U.S., there are about eight times as many abortions as rape accusations.
While you are entitled to your opinion about abortion, I think it would be best to keep it separate from the issue of false rape accusations.
To Anonymous who won't do anything to help a woman in any way, don't read the following. I am a woman who posts here frequently, and supports the innocent and wronged of either gender in any way I can.
For anyone else I submit the following:
If you think British or American feminists are bad.....
Underage girls cannot be prosecuted for having sex but boys can
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0712/1224274507627.html
There are hordes of false accusers too young to have had abortions, and false accusers have existed from the beginning of time - long before abortion on demand was the American Way Of Life.
The Salem Witch hunts were instigated by several NINE YEAR OLD girls who probably had not had an abortion.
"Empowerment" can begin at a VERY early age. Ask any step parent.
(This Truth posted by an evil female).
What have abortions and false rape accusers got to do with eachother? There is no connection.
"What have abortions and false rape accusers got to do with eachother?"
Women's entitlement to destroy the life of another human being for her own personal gain.
Abortion is a tiny, trivial issue compared to false accusations.
this women makes me want to throw up.
I swear, we aren't all crazy, nutjobs.
I'm all for anonymity.
Real victims of Rape do not support false rape accusers...THEY JUST DO NOT!!
Its the Gender / Raunch perverts who have another "ADGENDA", that support false rape accusers.
By attacking hetero-sexual men and boys in any way they can...it forwards their Gender / Raunch "ADGENDA".
Anonymous said...
"British feminists in particular tend to be particularly nasty and irrational."
Believe me, American feminists aren't any better.
Jul 11, 2010 7:47:00 PM
I think they encourage each other. I think they compete to see who can be the nastiest, most misandric, vile and, cause the most collateral damage in their war against/on males.
Anonymous said...
"Since the "men" issues aren't getting any support, I don't have time for the "women" issues any longer. Sorry, ladies."
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The male viewpoint obviously prevails.
And I've noticed you use the word "ladies" very loosely...
Jul 11, 2010 2:26:00 PM
"The male viewpoint obviously prevails."
In a "women's nation" the feminist/female viewpoint obviously prevails and has been prevailing for far too long. The only male viewpoints that prevail, are those viewpoints made by feminized males ( male feminists). Do some reasearch on a male feminist named Kyle Payne.
"And I've noticed you use the word "ladies" very loosely..."
I have yet to hear any feminist refer to any woman as a lady. They prefer to call them "the oppressed" and " victims".
If anything, I think that the British feminists are even more radical, but in America feminism has been swallowed much more deeply by our institutions and culture.
We do love our Kool Aid in this country.
I suspect it may be true that women who have frequent abortions are more likely to make false rape allegations or indeed commit a host of other pathologies. Although it is not really helpful to our cause when we get sidetracked by divisive issues all the time.
Having said that, I am not anti-abortion or pro-life. I believe abortion should be safe and legally available, and is not particularly morally repugnant if used as a last resort or to prevent serious risks to mother or child. I tend towards the 'safe, legal and rare' position.
But women who have frequent abortions are clearly sick in the head, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that such women are predisposed towards other pathologies like making false allegations.
I have no argument with that.
"But women who have frequent abortions are clearly sick in the head, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that such women are predisposed towards other pathologies like making false allegations."
There are not a collection of women who have frequent abortions, what does frequent mean anyway?
The same could be said of the men that impregnate them.
Men who have paid for abortions are not likely to be false rape accusers. FRA is a female-dominated profession.
Like I said -- too much lead in the water...
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