Senior starts off by declaring that we should drop the pretense that a fetus is not a human life: "What seems increasingly clear to me is that, in the absence of an objective definition, a foetus is a life by any subjective measure. . . . . Any other conclusion is a convenient lie that we on the pro-choice side of the debate tell ourselves to make us feel better about the action of taking a life."
Sounds like a Catholic theologian wrote it, doesn't it? But just wait, she's not finished:
"So we are left with a problem. A growing movement in America . . . attempts to decouple feminism from abortion rights, arguing that you can believe in a woman’s right to be empowered without believing in her right to abort." Not possible, she claims. "But you cannot separate women’s rights from their right to fertility control. The single biggest factor in women’s liberation was our newly found ability to impose our will on our
biology."
So if a fetus is a human life, and if the central tenet of feminism is that women have the right to destroy that entity in the womb, what's the answer to this dilemma?
I don't know about you, but when it's put in those terms, for me, it's a no-brainer. By common consensus throughout all of history, murder is the most gravely disordered of all human misconduct, and only self-defense can justify it.
Not to Senior. To her, feminist tenets win out over the unborn human's right to live. "As ever, when an issue we thought was black and white becomes more nuanced, the answer lies in choosing the lesser evil," she gushes. "The nearly 200,000 aborted babies in the UK each year are the lesser evil, no matter how you define life, or death, for that matter. If you are willing to die for a cause, you must be prepared to kill for it, too."
A Catholic publication summed up Senior's view: "The fact that Senior acknowledges the humanity of the unborn child, but disregards it so willingly, is frightening." And her concluding line -- "if you are willing to die for a cause, you must be prepared to kill for it, too" -- is the kind of declaration "one would expect . . . from a radical jihadist, or other violent extremist, not a person with a rational argument to make." (OSV, July 18, 2010 at 17.)
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If your view of "women" was formed by reading only the UK major news periodicals, you might think all "women" were like Barbara Ellen, who recently wrote this in the Guardian: "Maybe men generally feel strongly about anonymity [for the presumptively innocent accused of rape], while women feel the opposite. If that is the case, then how should we proceed? Well, that's a no-brainer – the female viewpoint obviously takes precedence, simply because, with rare exceptions, women are the victims of rape." The fact that men, with rare exceptions, are the victims of false rape claims -- the very thing that anonymity seeks to protect against -- is beside the point to Barbara Ellen. She never bothers to consider that fact, much less grapple with it.
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Could the insane, despicable views of Antonia Senior and Barbara Ellen be "typical" of women? Are women that hateful, that disdainful of men? If they were, it might just be perfectly reasonable for men to use their superior physical strength to imprison women, impregnate them at will, and prevent them from hurting the unborn that God has ordained them to carry. And I can assure you, some super-genius male scientist would be working on an incubator that could substitute for the womb. But sorry, I don't buy that these views are anywhere close to being typical of women in general. Relatively few women look at life through a gender lens. Women's views are like men's views -- complex, nuanced, far more gray than black-and-white, often inconsistent and often not well articulated or thought out. But not hateful of an entire gender. The despicable, exaggerated, gynocentric views of Antonia Senior and Barbara Ellen, and any number of others, are intended to garner readership in an era when newspapers are struggling. Controversy sells papers; writing a nuanced piece about the unborn or anonymity doesn't.
I know that many readers of this blog have had terrible experiences with some women. I can't, and won't try to, minimize that. It is irrefutable that men, as a class, face hardships simply for being born male, and that society generally does not recognize, or care about, those hardships. And we also know that a noisy group of women do share the gynocentric views of Antonia Senior and Barbara Ellen; they do hate men, and they do believe in female supremacy.
But the suggestion that those views are typical of women as a class does not comport with my experience or with anything I know. For example, I submit that if you put to a vote the issues important to this blog, the majority of women would support longer sentences for false accusers and anonymity for the presumptively innocent. But the laws are often dictated by persons who are passionately committed to a minority view.
The misandry that men face is far more insidious than "men versus women." The misandry that men face is men versus a society that both women and men have created, a society grounded on chivalry and the disposability of males. Individual women are the beneficiaries of that society, but they, like men, were just born into it. Those women who don't actively or consciously promote it -- which is most women -- shouldn't be blamed for it.
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The London Times tends to be pretty pro-male, as it frequently runs articles about the evils of single motherhood, the stupidity of the Guardianistas (our SWPLs), the inequality in 'equality laws' and affirmative action.
This sounds like an FRA in progress:
"“It’s basically one girl’s word against 20 other people’s word,” Dehlin said."
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/07/13/news/aa1_orange_rape_arraignment071310.txt
"A WOMAN who claimed she was raped by a stranger who followed her home has admitted making the whole story up...
A police investigation got under way with 25 detectives involved in the hunt for her attacker before it was deemed so serious that major crime detectives took over the case.
Increased police patrols were put on the streets to reassure worried residents.
Dozens of local people were spoken to during extensive house-to-house enquiries while the woman herself – described as “extremely traumatised”"
http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/8265832.Rape____victim____confesses_attack_was_made_up/
Looks like URL got chopped off:
http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/8265832.Rape____victim____confesses_attack_was_made_up/
Cases like this shouldn't even go to trial:
"Maran suggested the woman had readily engaged in group sex with the men that night, but then grew anxious when her friends began gossiping with her about it. "(She's) been in the boy's dorm. She not supposed to be there. She's sneaking into the boy's dorm and she's hanging out and drinking," she quoted the friends as saying."
http://mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2010/07/13/main_line_suburban_life/news/doc4c3c576e8575b302436497.txt
I read the story -- I can't tell how solid the other testimony is about the girl being unconscious. And I can't tell how serious the bruises were, or whether they were blown out of proportion by a SANE nurse. This area has become so politicized that we don't know if there is good evidence beyond the say-so of the alleged victim or if this is another Hofstra witch hunt where the boys weren't lucky enough to have a video.
If they are guilty, what do you think the sentence should be? Not a trick question -- I have my own thoughts on that.
Trial opens for 3 accused of gang rape at university
P.S. Gang "rape" claims leave me uneasy -- there is such an incredible motive to lie. What woman wants her friends to know she was having sex with three guys?
Again, my question: if they are guilty, what should the sentence be?
"There is no reason why those accused of rape should be singled out for anonymity — indeed, such an approach appears to suggest that rape victims are more likely to be making false allegations than other victims."
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/National/article/2565/groups-against-anonymity-for-rape-accused.html
So the problem is that it appears to suggest something that is actually true? Never mind that they aren't "victims" if the allegations are false.
Every time those crows cluck their tongues about anonymity, they mention Worboys. Because that's all they have.
So tired of their lies.
"P.S. Gang "rape" claims leave me uneasy -- there is such an incredible motive to lie."
Not only that, but considering how rare rapists are, what do you think the odds are a bunch of them finding each other at random?
"Again, my question: if they are guilty, what should the sentence be?"
That's a an awfully big "if". According to what I've read, an alleged fourth has already been convicted, so perhaps we can find out what his sentence was?
"Not to Senior. To her, feminist tenets win out over the unborn human's right to live. "As ever, when an issue we thought was black and white becomes more nuanced, the answer lies in choosing the lesser evil," she gushes. "The nearly 200,000 aborted babies in the UK each year are the lesser evil, no matter how you define life, or death, for that matter. If you are willing to die for a cause, you must be prepared to kill for it, too.""
Obviously the lesser evil is for the women to give birth.
There is no greater oppression than death. Female supremacy is the correct label for this.
"But the suggestion that those views are typical of women as a class does not comport with my experience or with anything I know. For example, I submit that if you put to a vote the issues important to this blog, the majority of women would support longer sentences for false accusers and anonymity for the presumptively innocent."
True, Archivist. As a man, I must say I was surprised when I looked at the anonymity petition, just how many signatories were female names.
Anon at 10:21: I noticed that, too. We have a lot of readers who are not Georgia Girl and who are very much in favor of what we do.
When I started this, I didn't think of it as a gender thing. It was an injustice that had been ignored, and I saw it more through an ACLU-type lens.
Was this covered here already?
"STROUDSBURG – A Bethlehem woman who said personal problems led her to concoct a story that she had been raped on the East Stroudsburg University campus will spend no time in jail.
Laura Gruver, 23, was sentenced to a year of probation, 50 hours of community service and to continue with mental health counseling.
Gruver claimed she was attacked, last August 13, behind the Dansbury Commons Cafeteria, by a man with a knife, who forced her into the woods, raped her, then fled. She gave a detailed description of the imaginary suspect. Police even found personal items, including underware, at the spot where she claimed the attack happened.
She eventually admitted the story was a hoax."
http://www.pocononews.net/news/2010/July/02/02July10-4.html
Ever notice that only women "need help"?
"“You certainly need the help, and that’s the reason why you’re not going to be punished or penalised today,” he added, passing a three-year conditional discharge."
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2010/06/29/teesside-teen-is-not-punished-after-false-rape-claim-84229-26747569/2/
Except I'm not surprised at all.
"SURPRISE - Police say a 33-year-old Surprise woman, in an apparent attempt to get back at her ex-boyfriend who dumped her, fabricated a story in which her ex raped her and crashed her SUV."
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/false-reporting-arrest-7-1-2010
Unfortunately, it is not "most" women that we need to worry about or, for that matter, even only the few who subscribe to these maniacal views. What we as men and as a society need to worry about are the forces that work in concert with these voices in order to reproductively, financially and criminally enslave men. These forces are:
The media- who makes a lot of money demonizing men thus feeding hysterical media consumption frenzy.
Business- who benefit both directly and indirectly by the complete absence of reproductive rights for men and also their greatly diminished parenting rights that lead to family dissolution thus nearly doubling consumption.
Government- who reap taxes from business and who, in the absence of strong families, keep themselves employed by being a surrogate family.
It is more than just a bunch of kooks we are up against here.
Right, Anon at 11:00. I wish women would realize that matriarchy hurts women, too.
By common consensus throughout all of history, murder is the most gravely disordered of all human misconduct, and only self-defense can justify it.
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That's not true, actually. In many societies murder could be atoned for by paying a fine. Legal systems are sometimes more concerned with enforcing contracts than with defending persons -- and naturally, rich people could always afford bodyguards!
Concerning abortion, if parents aren't ready to have a child than this is probably the better option; and no man should be forced to become a father against his will. The main problem is that women have been given reproductive rights that have been arbitrarily denied to men.
But you're quite right about what a terrible argument this woman is making. She sounds as if she's going out of her way in insisting that anything is acceptable provided that it promotes her warped ideology.
Anon at 12:23: that's absurd, about murder, and abortion. That's one of the reasons I can't stomach the comments on these blogs, you get weirdo comments like this.
You don't believe me? Read about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Germanic_law
Learn what you're talking about before you lecture.
OK, I looked. It's bullshit.
It is? Okay.
Whatever there, sir.
Just in case anybody gets a false impression, I wasn't recommending Frankish law -- just acknowledging that it existed.
"Yes, abortion is killing. But it’s the lesser evil, that is breathtaking in its assertion of female supremacy."
And no for something completely different....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
"What we as men and as a society need to worry about are the forces that work in concert with these voices in order to reproductively, financially and criminally enslave men."
Spot on. We must always ask:
Cui bono?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono
"By common consensus throughout all of history, murder is the most gravely disordered of all human misconduct . . . ."
Yeah, that is true, by and large.
Those women who don't actively or consciously promote it -- which is most women -- shouldn't be blamed for it.
Then those women who do not agree with these writers should speak up then! When I worked with women, it seemed like many of them DID agree with the aforementioned columnists; they had man bashing down to a fine art. If good women don't want to be lumped in with the bona fide feminazis, then they need to speak up-end of story.
We DO speak up - our voices are ignored, our voices are not heard - even less so than your male voices.
I've said this before, I'll say it again - look at the amazing number of female supporters on your Facebook site.
Anon1036,
I don't have a Facebook page; perhaps you're referring to FRS?
As for speaking up, when I've heard women I worked with in the past engage in man bashing, agreeing with stuff like the columnists write, etc., I don't recall hearing any other women speak up. Other than Phyllis Schlafly, I haven't heard too many women speak up against misandry.
MarkyMark
I'll put my thoughts another way: until I KNOW otherwise, I assume a woman agrees with columnists such as Susan Reimer, Ellen Goodman, Maureen Dowd (of Are Men Necessary fame), et al. Again, I don't hear or see women speaking out against these feminazis. That, and all women, particularly college educated women, have been inculcated with feminism all their lives. What else can a man do, but assume the worst about women until he knows otherwise?
Do Y O U speak up, MarkyMark, when you hear those women?
I don't either.
Of course I was referring to FRS's facebook page. Do you never look at the growing numbers of men and WOMEN who people that site?
Everyday I hear people making stupid, ignorant comments about everything and everybody.
Do I feel it's my duty to 'speak up' and correct each and every asshole I encounter?
No. I. Don't.
My opinion does not matter one whit to them.
I support the troops, I'm against abortion. Walmart sucks as does affirmative action. I detest Obama, I despised Bush. I think republicans are idiots, I don't understand why anyone would agree to live in a condo.
Somewhere in that list I'm sure you will disagree with my sentiments, but unless I ask your opinion, I don't really care.
I'm pretty sure most feminists don't give a rat's ass if I disagree with them.
I WILL say I have only two words for all you "Foreign Women Only" guys --
Mel. Gibson.
They catch on quick, don't they?
What does Mel Gibson have to do with anything? The vast majority -- probably 99.99% -- of men who support 'foreign women only' would never behave like that jerk.
But as soon as a male celebrity does something wrong, it's taken as proof of a testosterone-based epidemic.
I'm pretty sure most feminists don't give a rat's ass if I disagree with them.
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Why do they react with such horror to our mere existence, then? Trust me: feminists (more specifically, false rape accusers) do not want this blog to continue.
But that's not up to them, is it?
Anon,
You don't have to speak up in direct opposition to the man bashing you may hear; all it takes to silence a lot of these people is a well thought out, well timed question. For example, if you hear a woman bashing her man, you may ask her who PICKED him; it's a rhetorical question designed to put the onus on who did-mainly her. A well thought out, well timed question can be more effective than any direct challenge.
That said, until I and my brothers hear you and your like minded sisters speak up though, more and more of us will assume the worst. Is it because all women are like that? No, we know that that's not the case. However, the women who aren't like that don't do anything to shows that this is so; they don't do anything to differentiate themselves from those who ARE like that. Therefore, until we know otherwise, prudence dictates to me and my brothers that we operate under the assumption that all women are like that; it's a means to keep us safer. Even if only one in a thousand women are like that, it only takes ENCOUNTERING that one in a thousand woman to destroy us, and the results are catastrophic for men...
MarkyMark
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