●I read the Koss report last week for the first time in months, and I was reminded of an interesting fact. Here's a quiz: which scholar, who is cited on this site from time to time, was relied on in the Koss report? That's right, Prof. Eugene Kanin. Koss didn't rely on Kanin for his false rape report, of course, but for his other work. Kanin, many feminists don't know, was highly respected in the feminist community before his false rape studies. His studies on male aggression and acquaintance rape in the 50s and 60s made him a pioneering feminist icon, a sociologist whose writings were quoted without question. See, e.g., I Never Called It Rape: The Ms. Report on Recognizing, Fighting, and Surviving Date and Acquaintance Rape (1994) at pages 13, 43, 86-87. All that changed when people started publicizing Kanin's false rape studies from the mid-90s. Kanin went from being a serious social scientist whose pronouncements were not to be questioned to a complete nitwit who had no idea how to conduct objective and impartial research.
●Three teens won't be charged for an alleged sexual assault on a woman who ran topless out of Central Park, given that the woman's account of what happened changed several times. But, of course, the presumptively innocent men are named in the news report.
●Consider that if the topless woman in the above story had been contacted by one of Mary Koss' surveyors or another rape pollster, the surveyors/pollsters would have automatically credited her assertion that she was raped.
●Next time you hear someone defend the right of bars to have Ladies' Night pricing, consider that one of the arguments used to justify it in some courts has been that the lower charges for females are appropriate because they are intended to compensate for the generally lower salaries women are said to be paid.
●One of the frequent canards by feminists who've never read Prof. Kanin's false rape report was that his first rape study (and most feminists don't know he did more than one), which found that 41% of all the rape claims were "false," was invalid because the young women were threatened with -- horrors! -- polygraphs. Never mind that men are routinely forced to take polygraphs (the falsely accused often are forced to take them if they want to be released from jail, and convicted sex offenders either take them or go back to prison), what the feminists don't bother to mention about the Kanin study is that polygraphs were not mandatory for the rape accusers. The accusers were merely offered the opportunity to take a polygraph. Moreover, after the women recanted (and Kanin only concluded a claim was false if a woman recanted), "the complainant [was] informed that she [would] be charged with filing a false complaint, punishable by a substantial fine and a jail sentence. In no case, [was] an effort . . . made on the part of the complainant to retract the recantation." The feminists also don't mention that Kanin did another false rape study (referenced in the same report) in which he found a 50% false rate, and that study did not involve polygraphs at all. Just sayin'.
●Another argument used to justify Ladies Night freebies for women is that bars want to attract more women, so they price accordingly. Great. When colleges and other places that attract far fewer men than women decide, and are legally permitted, to implement special male pricing, come and tell me what a great idea it is. I won't hold my breath.
●Speaking of Kanin's landmark studies: if any of the recanting young women in Kanin's report had been contacted by by one of Mary Koss' surveyors or another rape pollster, the surveyors/pollsters would automatically credit their assertions that they were raped.
●An observation: why do mainstream news media gender articles that apply equally to males and females stick the article in the "women" section? See, e.g., here.
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I actually became familiar with Kanin's work in college when I was studying sexual abuse and rape. He was pointed to by professors as a reliable source. I am fairly good at reviewing research and statistics and always found this, as well as his others, to be a credible study.
I have not understood the criticisms of his work.
Other than simply stating that it is bad research, I have not seen anyone back up that claim with specifics.
As with much social science research, it's scope is limited and can't fairly be extrapolated to other groups. At least, not anymore than other research which is routinely extrapolated.
In other words, if you're going to rule this out, then you have to rule out a lot of other research that has been incorporated in the general consciousness.
Social Worker, you are correct. Kanin's stats are just eye-opening snapshots. You've got to look at other studies before you can conclude there's a trend, and even that trend should only be expressed in terms of a likely range.
Whatever the number, it's significant.
The real percentages of false rape accusations versus true ones could easilly be studied..But upper white middle class GENDER / RAUNCH perverts now dominate academia...And they get "Empowered" by all the misinformation.
With things like Ladies Nights and such, I believe that businesses should be free to charge what they want. If they want to charge women less than men, then just take your business elsewhere. In most countries, anti-discrimination laws don't extend to price discrimination in the sale of goods and services. Although I believe the law varies, and in some places they might.
Of course, there would be much more of an outcry if any business was charging men less than women for the same service. In some countries there has been a hullabaloo because hairdressers were charging men less than women. In Australia some huffy women have even take them to court. Yet in this case there is much more justification for price discrimination, given that women typically have more hair, spend much more time at the hairdresser, use more treatments etc.
If it only takes them half the time to do my hair, but I pay two-thirds of what a woman pays, then I am actually paying proportionally more. There is clearly more justification for price discrimination, because there is a big difference in the cost of providing the service. Whereas it doesn't cost more to serve men drinks than women. Yet that doesn't stop the whining.
Nick, I appreciate what you're saying, and can't disagree with any portion of it. My problem is this: we are living in an age where women don't tolerate any benefit to men regardless of whether it makes business sense. I don't hear MRAs complaining that, here in the US, health care law has been reformed and women will now pay the same as men even though their health care costs are a lot more expensive than men's. But men will still pay more for auto insurance. Go figure.
Men are OK with price discrimination, if it hurts MEN. Anytime Ladies Night is brought up, we hear a ton of men saying "I don't mind price discrimination if it makes business sense." Fair enough. Then how about being as vocal in that postion when it comes to health care? Men sit back, and they're OK with anything women want.
"Men are OK with price discrimination, if it hurts MEN. Anytime Ladies Night is brought up, we hear a ton of men saying "I don't mind price discrimination if it makes business sense." Fair enough. Then how about being as vocal in that postion when it comes to health care? Men sit back, and they're OK with anything women want."
Amen brother, if beer costs the bar 50c a pint then it costs 50c a pint, no matter what age or sex the buyer drinker is.
I have always refused to go anywhere that discriminated on admission or drinks price, to me it is exactly the same as seeing a sign outside saying.
Beer.
Whites $1 pint
Niggers $2 pint
I'm white, and I still won't go there or give them any business, not even if I'm not paying myself.
I don't hear MRAs complaining that, here in the US, health care law has been reformed and women will now pay the same as men even though their health care costs are a lot more expensive than men's.
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Although many right-wingers would disagree with me, that's actually not a bad argument in favor of nationalized health care.
If women are getting a discount, then making everybody pay into one system would level the playing field. But I digress.
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