Friday, June 18, 2010

Important: take action on anonymity

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20 comments:

Dr. Snark said...

Front page of Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1287625/Woman-sparked-150-000-manhunt-slashing-face-crying-rape-faces-jail.html

Dr. Snark said...

"She claimed that after a night out, a friend refused to lend her money or to let her share his taxi home. She had argued with her boyfriend days earlier, so she set off alone intending to ‘teach people a lesson’."

I have to wonder if this has been worded differently to be politically correct.

I wonder if her intention was in fact to 'TEACH MEN A LESSON' by putting four through hell.

Selfish, entitled little cunt, I hope you rot in jail.

Archivist said...

‘The most important thing to me now is to ensure that victims of sex assaults continue to call police immediately. You will be believed. You will be supported, and we will investigate thoroughly.’

The natural result of automatically believe alleged victims is to DISbelieve the men they accuse. One of whom, in this story, tried to kill himself.

This is the price of elevating the importance of the victimization of our daughters over our sons.

AfOR said...

"Selfish, entitled little cunt, I hope you rot in jail."

She's basically fucked, for life.

Google Leyla Elhand Ibrahim and every HR department in the country will run a mile, screaming, due to their duty of care to other employees.

22 years old and she will never work again... never be able to afford HP on a car, or a mortgage, or a credit card.

She has effectively given herself a justly deserved life sentence of penury... much applause...

She won't be the last.

Dr. Snark said...

What you say is true, AfOR. But I would like all that to be preceded by a lengthy stay in prison with some truly unpleasant cellmates.

Anonymous said...

Hi I hope you don't mind me commenting on your blog. I have done so previously and your members seemed to be ok with that. I am a female gang rape victim who was 'investigated' and whose case went to court but I received no justice. Ever since this time, I have been campaigning to change this incompetent criminal justice system in a variety of ways, also highlighting the cause of male rape survivors and men who have been falsely accused. The recent mail articles have really distressed me since I now think everyone will tar all victims with the same brush. I'm even terrified to tell anyone I'm a rape victim. This makes it doubly difficult to heal. How can you heal from something you can't talk about? I have experienced chronic PTSD because of the brutality I suffered and it amazes me when I hear such stories as the ones in the mail where men have been convicted on so little evidence! It baffles me completely! The Criminal 'justice' system seems to have a mind of its own as do all the people working in it! And juries are just a law unto themselves! The systems the problem not us! I really do think the mail articles will stop many victims from reporting. Most rape victims never ever get justice and suffer for rest of their lives. Many lose their jobs and homes because of the PTSD effects. I do support your campaign for anonymity and really don't understand why the rape campaigning groups in my country ( UK)have an issue with this!

Duncan Macleod said...

annonymous, welcome .

Im not going to say sorry or hit with platitudes because if you have read this you will know how disgusting and vile we feel the act of rape is and how we feel about rapists and genuine victims, its never in doubt we support all real victims 1000% , to answer your question ...... if they make annonymity the status quo then they have to admit fra are an issue, and they never will do that .

Anonymous said...

I'm trying to say that we (rape victims and men who have been falsely accused) both have strong feelings of hate, injustice, powerless and a sense that our lives have been wrecked forever when we are the innocent party. I feel as though I have a life sentence and it sounds that falsely accused men do too. At present, I'm trying to effect change within the system as the idiots within it have no expertise in the rape/CSA front and seem indifferent to our plight. All they care about is their fat salaries. At the end of the day none of them, police or barristers, have any empathy and show cruel indifference. I'm hoping that together that will change and we can fight them.

AfOR said...

AT ANON @ 2:23

Yeah, lots, and lots, and lots, and lots, probably most, if not the vast majority, of claimed rapes never happened.

Speaking as a falsely accused, when I hear a new story, such as yours, here is what happens...

I am openly sceptical, I've seen, heard, and personally been the victim of too many lies.

That doesn't mean you are lying, it just means too many cried wolf for me to grab a box of kleenex and offer you a shoulder to cry on.

What happens then is I listen, I read, I watch, I think.

If your story is bullshit, it will come out sooner or later.

If your story is true, it will come out sooner or later.

You, and everyone else, can of course say the same thing about me, claiming to be the victim of a FRA.

You get equality, not a free ride.

I didn't rape you, so don't ask me for anything more than equality.

Your fellow women do lie, all the time, about rape, so don't ask me for anything a free ride.

If your story is true, I'll quite happily throw your alleged rapists off a cliff along side my FRAs

Anonymous said...

Hi Duncan!

Yes, I agree with you. And an even bigger problem is that they will have to admit that their incompetence is the main issue to achieving justice for all of us! And I'm intent on changing that! I'm not paying into such an 'Alice in Wonderland' system with a load of fools in it!

Dr. Snark said...

Anon, you are correct, there is no dichotomy between advocating for rape victims and advocating for the falsely accused.

Both are victims, of different crimes, different abuses, which manifest in different ways.

It is not a zero sum game.

The problem is feminism. I will not stop beating this drum. Feminists are not some ragtag band of angry lesbians. They are not that caricature. Well, maybe in part. But they are so much more than that. The ruling class in a society exerts its power through the state, which is precisely where they are embedded.

I can't remember where this quote came from, but: the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he did not exist. Feminism convinced the world to subscribe to an analytical model in which we see power in all social relations. Our attention was deflected away from the real power of the state, which holds the monopoly on violence. The REAL power. Riddled with feminists of the worst kind, who have worked very hard for punitive sanctions against men because they are men. They are responsible for fomenting a culture of hate against men - presenting men as evil animals who need to be controlled at worst, and disposable tools at best. From there it's a short step to the false rape epidemic we now face.

And as the number of false accusations rises, so the likelihood of genuine victims being believed falls. My own first instinct is to not believe a woman who claims she was raped. I am aware of how unfair this is to real victims, and it is something I regret, but I have seen too many men being victimised by the opposite assumption that I now cannot just believe a rape claim.

Fighting false accusations should help genuine rape victims - but feminists won't have any of that, because that would mean that less men would be victimised. Thanks to their policies, MORE women will be raped, and MORE men will be ground up by the system. I make no exaggeration when I say that what we are fighting against is pure evil.

Anonymous said...

AfOR - I don't expect your sympathy. I'm liaising with your group because I want justice for all of us. I probably have the same feelings as you. It is very difficult for me to trust anyone and I'm always on my guard however I have to link with others in order to have any hope in changing this cruel system and in order to heal. I hide myself aaway for many years, trying to cope alone with my son and suffering acutely. I could also tell you some stories about my teenage son who has suffered horrifically at hands of the police! If you know anything about the UK, the police here have a very bad reputation for brutalising teenagers and locking them up! At the moment, The UN has made a number of recommendations as to how we deal with juvenilles!

Anonymous said...

Also most of the women who are at the forefront of rape policy in the UK are 'power feminists' who are not themselves victims of rape or child sex abuse. I have contacted members of this 'click' to try and educate them about rape and the problems in the criminal justice system. The main issue is that unless you have been raped you will have no understand of the effects or the demeanour of a 'real' rapist. I have gone to great lengths to try and explain to such women that rape is not sex that a woman doesn't want - it is an act of violence and brutality. Most of them do not understand this! In addition, they have no understanding of PTSD which many rape victims have alongside war veterans! I have almost given up trying to explain the effects of this! These women are not the right people to campaign for change. They have no understanding of rape at all. I have to go now but will be back to chat again. I'm convince together we can make a significant difference and my heart goes out to anyone, male or female who has been let down by this beast of a system.

Anonymous said...

Also I think any effective campaigning group needs to contain a mixture of all of us ; genuine rape victims- male and female and the falsely accused in order to have any hope in combating the opposing forces that you've mentioned.

AfOR said...

@ Jun 18, 2010 2:45:00 PM

Hey, I live in the UK, and I am the target of an ongoing FRA+ as part and parcel of a child custody / separation dispute that went nuclear.

You don't have to tell me shit about UK Police. I'm way ahead of you on that one. And that goes for all the other agencies too.

Anonymous said...

"I have gone to great lengths to try and explain to such women that rape is not sex that a woman doesn't want - it is an act of violence and brutality. Most of them do not understand this!"

They don't want to "understand" that because that would reduce the number, to a tiny fraction, of what they want to call rapes. To them, rape is not a violent crime that almost everyone is against, but rather, it is a political tool that should be increased and expanded at all cost, including the increased suffering of real victims.

According to this callous agenda, rape even includes sex a woman does want:

www.sexscience.org/uploads/media/Peterson.pdf

Anonymous said...

Also I think any effective campaigning group needs to contain a mixture of all of us ; genuine rape victims- male and female and the falsely accused in order to have any hope in combating the opposing forces that you've mentioned.

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I don't think that's necessary at all, and I don't think it's realistic.

MRAs need to march to the beat of their own drum.

Archivist said...

One of the problems is that the "authorities" seem to have lost sight of what rape really is. They've become so terribly fixated on what they think is the problem: entitled college boys forcing innocent co-eds to have sex against their will.

Rape is a brutal invasion of the most personal space. But for too many sexual assault counselors, it's a game of "gothcha!" where the goal is to corner some horny college boy on a rape charge, not because he really invaded a woman's personal space, but becauase she wasn't sufficiently enthusiastic about it. As in, "you kept going after the 'victim' was drunk -- gotcha!" Or, "sure the 'victim' was fooling around with you, and, no, she didn't object when you decided to insert your penis, but that's rape because, um, she never really consented! Gotcha!"

And when you start looking at rape in that way, it's damn easy to believe that anything and everything is rape.

Anonymous said...

And that's awfully convenient for prosecutors and other authoritarians in our society, isn't it?

Traditionally, our society put anyone whose rights had been violated by the government on a pedestal -- even those who just had to pay a higher tax for tea and stamps! That was the old societal narrative, and as a result the US placed a very high premium on civil liberties and individual rights. (Slavery being the horrific exception.)

But along came feminism, and now instead of focusing on defending the rights of citizens against government abuses, we live in a fantasy world in which there is a rapist hiding in every closet, and the only solution is increasingly fewer rights for defendents and more special privileges for so-called "victims" -- including an unconditional free pass even for proven scumbags like Crystal Mangum, and contempt and indifference toward the legitimate victims of false rape accusations.

And no matter how warped our system becomes, no matter how much unconditional belief it provides false rape accusers, no matter how beaten down their victims become -- it's never enough! There is always a screaming mob demanding even more tyrannical laws and politically correct bias. The pro-liar segment of our society will never be satisfied; they will always demand that we sacrifice even more of our dignity and freedom.

Anonymous said...

Statistically the most violent relationships in the united States are lesbian relationships.
And now at many Universities accross the country, these statistically more violent lesbians are the Klan leaders of Rape rallies and marches; and these violent women have no regard for the truth, or the innocent...ALL THEY WANT IS MORE EMPOWERMENT!!