A female Dr. Frankenstein who calls herself Dr. Sonnet Ehlers is distributing female condoms with teeth, endearingly called Rape-aXe (get it?), in the various South African cities where the World Cup soccer games are taking place.
According to a news report: "Jagged rows of teeth-like hooks line its inside and attach on a man's penis during penetration, Ehlers said. Once it lodges, only a doctor can remove it -- a procedure Ehlers hopes will be done with authorities on standby to make an arrest. 'It hurts, he cannot pee and walk when it's on," she said. "If he tries to remove it, it will clasp even tighter... however, it doesn't break the skin, and there's no danger of fluid exposure.'" The condom "allows justice to be served, she said. . . . .Critics have accused her of developing a medieval device to fight rape. 'Yes, my device may be a medieval, but it's for a medieval deed that has been around for decades,' she said." http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/
This device has actually been around for a few years, but the gimmick of giving away some 30,000 of them at the World Cup has put the modern day Dracula inventor back in the news. It is actually fitting that this story is in the news because it dovetails nicely with the extremely disturbing piece on the anniversary of Lorena Bobbitt's mutilation of her husband.
Lest we minimize the, ah, impact of this device to men, read what the good doctor said about the same, or a similar, horrid product in this 2007 article: "But for Ehlers this device, which is inserted in the vagina, could give women vital seconds to escape the rapist while he was busy dealing with his pain. 'The surprise factor will give women a chance to escape,' says Ehlers, explaining that the rapist would be in great pain as the 25 teeth attach themselves to the shaft of the penis."
It will cause "great pain" to men. See, that's the most important thing.
Let's make one thing clear, the good doctor isn't selling a useful crime prevention device; she's peddling feminist empowerment. She's hawking the ultimate in radical feminist wishfulness, the dream of chopping off dicks. And please, ladies, before you whine that this is an unfair cliche, read our piece on Lorena Bobbitt, and more specifically, the reaction to the gendered mayhem.
The fact that this woman has been selling this thing for years but is now giving 30,000 away might suggest there's no market for it. That would be a good thing, all around. People concerned about women's rights are saying this thing is a bad idea. "Critics say the female condom is not a long-term solution and makes women vulnerable to more violence from men trapped by the device."
The few people concerned about men's rights aren't talking about it, but among many, many problems with Rape-aXe is that, contrary to what this mad scientist believes, it does not necessarily allow "justice" to be served. It does not necessarily "prove" that a rape occurred.
A woman might insert this atrocity in her vagina before going on a blind date, as Dr. Frankenstein suggests, but then proceed to send off signals indicating her willingness to engage in intercourse. Perhaps she's had a few drinks and has even forgotten she's wearing the appalling device. If her unwitting date proceeds, he will be subjected to the surprise of his life when this 13th Century torture device clamps down on his dick. That is not rape, regardless of what Dr. Ehlers believes; rather, it's the innocent man who's just been brutally assaulted.
Aside from getting tipsy and forgetting she's wearing it, would a woman ever wear this device but then allow a guy she doesn't dislike to proceed? It's more than plausible. The literature is replete with examples of women secretly desiring not to engage in intercourse but sending off signals indicating a willingness to proceed.
But wouldn't a conflicted woman want to spare a partner the pain of having his penis attacked? Well, put it this way: wouldn't a conflicted woman want to spare a partner the pain of a false rape claim? Conflicted women don't always do that. All a woman would have to do is say, "no, I don't want to," and virtually every guy would stop. The fact that conflicted women don't always stop a guy from plowing ahead, you see, is just a manifestation of her conflict. And it's a reason false rape claims are so widespread.
So, if the product isn't going to help stop rape, and could actually chomp down on innocent penises, why is it being marketed? Why not teach women things that will actually help them avoid dangerous situations instead?
Well, as you can imagine, innocent penises are not their concern. As for doing something useful to stop rape, forget it. You see, it is anything but empowering to teach women techniques to actually avoid being raped. For many radical feminists, that's "victim blaming."
But all of that misses the point about this product. For radical feminists, rape isn't just a crime, it's a symbol of purported male oppression, and the only way to "defeat" rape is to empower women by figuratively emasculating men -- even though that approach won't stop a single actual rapist and would only make matters worse for women. To the misandrists interested in "get-evenism," as Connie Chastain put it, stopping rape is beside the point; belittling maleness with dramatic symbolism, such as this inane, inhumane product, is the goal.
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On the other hand, such devices can easily be turned inside out and used by rapists themselves.
Not that that's, you know, a recommendation or anything.
Which only goes to prove that stopping rapists is scarcely the point of this thing. The point of it is to make a point.
Of course it has nothing to do with stopping rape. What self-respecting woman is going to walk around all day long with a dick trap stuffed up her hooch?
No -- the only men who are going to wind up with 25 skin-penetrating teeth in their dicks are boys who were invited to stick them in. This is a false rape accuser's wet dream: she can castrate as she lays the groundwork for a frame, and if he is provoked by this to hurt her all the better! The bruises she gets after he retaliates for having his sex organs mutilated will only make her story more convincing.
Again: this will not prevent rape because women aren't going to have this stuck in them for longer than five minutes.
And this must penetrate the skin -- if it didn't then it couldn't trap the penis.
"This is a false rape accuser's wet dream . . .." Interesting point. A woman in need of a certain kind of alibi (and we've seen this more times than I care to mention) need only lure the first unsuspecting penis into her trap and -- ta da! -- she's got her "rapist."
P.S. As for not penetrating the skin, my hunch is you are correct. I wonder if Dr. Frankenstein tried it out on a live erect penis.
I don't buy the 'getting drunk and forgetting it there" theory.
You don't forget something like that.
Pissed off at an Ex? Invite him for "one last time for old time's sake", then ...GOTCHA!
Want attention from all the sorority sisters? Get HIM drunk, pull the GOTCHA! Then cry rape - Vitim AND Heroine all at the same time!
Talk about a feminist's wet dream....
If these things ever get 'known' in the US, isn't it a small matter to check first for booby traps?
I read about this device when it first came out. It was touted as immediately "taking the rapists mind off rape", and if you're really talking about trapping a rapist's penis, your right.
The other thing I heard at that time probably still holds true: "Yes, it will take his mind off rape, and plant it firmly on murder; what a stupid idea!". If he has a knife or gun, and suddenly 25 teeth clamp on/into his dick, what do you think his second act thereafter will be?
@anonymous.
Spot on.
More women being vindictive would use such a device than women sincerely afraid of being raped.
Now, my spot of humor.
In order for a woman to be fully protected, she would have to have one in every orifice in her body. This would not doubt make her walk funny.
"Yes, it will take his mind off rape, and plant it firmly on murder; what a stupid idea!".
I was just thinking that myself.
A woman in a 'date rape' situation can poke, scratch, or bite her way out of it - the guy WILL stop if you do it like you mean it.
There is no need for such an extreme measure unless you are HOPING to use it to hurt someone, which is entrapment, not rape.
A true rapist would seriously hurt or even murder you. If you are THAT prepared for rape, you'd better have a back up weapon, too.
["Jaws V" ]
[ Sheriff and Matt Hooper looking over a 10-inch long metal tub covered with a white cloth ]
Matt Hooper: [ looks under cloth and winces ] Oh, my God!
Sheriff: What was it?
Matt Hooper: Land shark. The cleverest species of them all.
[ dissolve to man with a friend in his apartment in South Africa ]
Radio: ...considered the cleverest of all sharks. Unlike the great white, which tends to inhabit the waters of harbors and recreational beach areas, the Land Shark is found commonly in South Africa but may strike at any place, any time. It is capable of disguising its voice, lives in dark, damp, warm places, and generally preys on young, single men. Experts at the University of Miami's Oceanographic Institute suggest that the best way to scare off the shark prior to an attack is to poke it sharply with a pole or large plastic instrument .... now for the weather....
Land Shark: [ door bell rings, muffled voice ] Candygram.
Man: Candygram, my ass! Get out of here before I call the proper authorities. You're the shark, and you know it.
Landshark: [ muffled voice ] Vagina Monologues.
Man: [to his friend in the room ] "I knew it. Hand me that vuvuzela!"
"Smile, you son of a bitch!"
Anyhoo, since this requires rapists to be too stupid to stick a finger up there first (even amidst reports that thousands of these devices have been distributed), and since using them would most likely provoke actual rapists to violence, it's fairly obvious who the targets of these contraptions will be.
Namely, innocent men, who the false rape accusers know will never react violently, no matter how they are abused. In short, these will only be used against men who they know they be safe. Boyfriends, husbands, etc. That would be my guess.
this same feature was publicized last year by the same moon-bat inventor. I suspect it will be republished every year when lazy journalists need more filler that week.
As Dr Strangelove once said: A doomsday bomb only works if you tell someone you have it before they attack you.
But telling your potential rapist you have this would make it easily defeated.
If it needs a surgeon to remove, it is definitely breaking the skin. Otherwise a pair of sizzors would work just fine.
I suspect this device is all hype and has no clinical trials or real life experience to support its claims. Any civilized country would sue this inventor, marketer and manufacturer into poverty the first time this is used and works as advertized.
I also wonder why feminists, besides being aligned with liberals, are against women carrying guns. I guess it is because it would make it more difficult for them to make claims of rape and domestic violence.
This vagina dentata device will never..er. . "catch on".
Only a complete moral idiot would get such an idea in the first place. . and to create and market such a thing elevates moral idiocy by at least a full order of magnitude.
It is, however, characteristically and quintessentially feminist at its core. ANY person who would advocate such a thing is, hands down, a "real feminist" - regardless of left v. right political orientation or any other such irrelevant fluff.
I believe this could be a great propaganda tool; we could really give the feminists hell about this!
By the way, does anybody recall a movie which came out a couple of years back, called (I think) "Teeth"? It was about a teen-aged girl who literally had teeth "down there" and. . used them.
Castration/de-penilization certainly does appear to be a recurrent motif in the cultural zeitgeist - and smart money says that the feminist cultural zeitgeist would harbor such a meme proportionally more than any other. One sees that is logical! ;)
Falsely Accused Soldier
I heard about this device a few years back.
What I learned was South Africa has a huge rape epidemic. It is a very real problem unlike the made up epidemic here in the western world.
When I first learned about the device I supported it and I still do for South African women. They live under a very real threat.
However giving 30,000 of them away to what are essentially tourists. In what is considered the world's superbowl. Involving people who are obviously rich enough to not only fly; but spend several days, even weeks in South Africa is unconscionable.
With all the partying that will be going on at the World Cup. With our western "hook-up" culture. I wonder how many male tourists will find their stay marred by having to rush to a hospital. Then having a surgeon literally remove fish hooks from their penis. On a sicker note, I wonder if they are barbed.
Back to what I originally read about this device. They said it was created for South African women. From the tone of the article it sounded like they were handing it out in basically South African "inner-cities" or anywhere the problem is prevalent.
As with most things in the feminist movement I guess its time to see through the looking glass. It is apparently just a business and a way to purport feminist rape claims. They didn't want to help South African women. Now I guess they are targeting male Soccer fans. in what is literally one of the most popular sport events in the world next to the superbowl.
So I guess I have to change stances here just on principle. It should be illegal but it won't be. I am waiting now for the feminist reasoning to bring it to the United States. I can't wait to watch the debate on Bill O'Reilly. Or hear the news report of the jilted high school lover who lured her teenage ex-lover to bed one last time with a Rape-aXe on.
This is truly disgusting.
I'll probably be jumped on for this, but I think the fear of it being used FOR entrapping or attacking an otherwise innocent guy is paranoid.
It could happen I suppose, but put this device in the context for where it was created.
Not middle-class Western sorority girls, but for the poorest, most crime-infested areas of South Africa. This is an area where, unless your head has been in the sand for the better part of a decade, there is rampant rape going on with girls as young as 6 years old.
It is nearly a given that a girl will be raped at least once (if she's lucky) before turning 18.
The military violence against ALL people is enormous and horrific. Boys/men are murdered and girls/women are raped/murdered in great numbers.
It is for that environment, where rape prevention classes, guns, mace, etc., are not available and certainly not affordable, that this device was created.
To attempt to place this in our realm of understanding is a cultural mistake.
There is argument to made against its use, such as the possibility of encouraging more violence, increase in oral/anal rape to avoid the device, but fear of it being used to "trap the innocent?" I don't see it.
The presence of rampant rape and violence against women doesn't cancel out the existence of false rape accusations. In fact, such an environment makes false rape accusations far more plausible, and therefore more deadly.
For this to be used against an innocent man, all you need is a FRA and a potential victim -- probably a male who the perp knows won't retaliate; a safe target.
We have all seen the lengths to which these maniacs will sink to get attention, including sometimes even slashing open their own faces. This "penis-trapper" is the perfect weapon in the hands of these criminals.
You will see this in the united states within 2 years if not way sooner.
And when it is used against an innocent male there will be no punishment for doing that at all.
No sex offender registry no jail time nothing.
An innocent man with have his penis ripped to shreds all perfectly legal.
Do you think if someone designed a device to destroy a woman's vagina that you could pass 30,000 of them out at an arena?
Anon at 10:33: correct. Rape/false rape claims are not a zero sum game. The fact that there are too many of one doesn't mean there can't be too many of the other.
I suspect this device is all hype and has no clinical trials or real life experience to support its claims. Any civilized country would sue this inventor, marketer and manufacturer into poverty the first time this is used and works as advertized.
That rules out the U.S. or any other western country.
I'll probably be jumped on for this, but I think the fear of it being used FOR entrapping or attacking an otherwise innocent guy is paranoid.
You're right you're going to get attacked. This is wrong. I could also accuse you of not knowing what is going on in the western world were men are disadvamtaged, by what you are saying I would be justified in going off on my oppressors.
Social Worker,
I keep hearing everyone speak of the horror's going on, but can you provide some form of proof?
I seriously doubt the World Cup would be hosted there if there was that much rampant crime.
However, I'm willing to be shown it's happening. Please provide some links or something showing what you are speaking about. Thanks.
Yeah, I don't trust government stats on rape, given what we've proven here about the US and the UK. The entire field is entirely too politicized. Liar advocates rule in the rape realm.
By the way, the freak doctor (the Dr. Mengele of feminism?) who invented this 'condom with teeth' has said openly that she hopes it is used by girls who are going on dates, not just women who are walking around in dangerous areas.
She wants this to be used by women who are choosing to be with the men who are endangered by this. How can that not involve false rape accusations?
Falsely Accused Soldier
Archivist said:
"Yeah, I don't trust government stats on rape, given what we've proven here about the US and the UK. The entire field is entirely too politicized. Liar advocates rule in the rape realm."
That is true in the western world but other destinations work differently.
In my time in the middle east, almost 2 1/2 years of my life I saw alot of grotesque things.
My platoon sergeant in my second deployment, a good friend of mine used to talk about his experience in Afghanistan. He was there twice and he used to talk about the first most of all. The local tribal warlord had herpes. In grotesque terms in a humanitarian mission the medics in his company said his penis resembled a piece of driftwood. Believe it or not to become a man in that community of Afghanistan you had to do a few things, one was get older. The second was to allow your uncle or some other family member to sodomize you.
You might have seen the movie, "the kite runner", I haven't but I read the book. In it while the male character is a boy his friend is sodomized by a bully(a boy) for being a different gender. This is true and happens in the middle eastern world.
In Africa women are raped, in fact they(and I am sticking my neck out here) rule the world on rape of females.
As far as the world cup is concerned they are only in the biggest city of the country. They like the Chinese before the 2008 Olympics probably cleaned up there city quite a bit before the world cup. They probably did it with increased police presence and other measures while the soccer fields were being built.
However you don't see the slums, or rural South Africa. Literally in villages(not towns or cities) it looks like a mud hut in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Alot of the African war culture is disgusting to us. I am not saying South Africa but not 100 miles north, a local warlord will destroy a village, kill the men and rape the women.
Botswana:
http://www.bbcf.ca/_articles/2007/diamond/diamond.htm
I don't feel like going through google anymore. The countries that border South Africa are, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Mozambique.
That particular article is about Genocide. The question I ask is this if your killing, beating, torturing a member of a different ethnic group. Is it so far fetched to believe they are being raped en masse too?
I know that feminism propagates rape lies in the USA. It and feminism is absolutely unforgivable. I don't understand why so much man hate exists but I have some theorys.
Now there was my comment earlier on this post, regarding what I feel about giving out 30,000 Rape-aXes to soccer fans. It was comment number 17 I believe on this blog.
That particular article is about Genocide. The question I ask is this if your killing, beating, torturing a member of a different ethnic group. Is it so far fetched to believe they are being raped en masse too?
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I don't doubt it, but to return to the topic, I think that using this "condom" is tantamount to begging your rapist to kill you. And I still don't understand why the thing would remain attached to a dick after it had gone soft. Did the designer perhaps not know a lot about male anatomy?
Rape happens and it should be dealt with -- by sane people, not by the feminist equivalent of Nazi doctors. (I appreciate your insightful comments, however.)
Thank you, Falsely Accused Soldier, for your info based on personal experience. I'm a bit nonplussed that I would be asked to submit proof of the mass war violations happening there as it has been fairly widespread news for years now. However, I will try to find some non-government stats info tomorrow.
I will say, to my chagrin, when discussing this with a female friend tonight, she backed up some of what you said about Western women potentially using this as a means of revenge.
I won't say I stand corrected, but I admit being surprised.
Also, can we discuss the facts as written and not jump into crazy-land? The thing will not "rip your dick into shreds" or damage it in any way. That's what all the articles on this I've read have said. So unless someone has other info they'd like to share, let's not spin out.
As to:
You will see this in the united states within 2 years if not way sooner.
And when it is used against an innocent male there will be no punishment for doing that at all.
IF it makes it here legally, then yes, there would be major repercussions for using it TO attack someone. I cannot see politicians/LE blithely allowing a wholesale attack on the male organ (not the prostate, the other one) without SOME protections in place. To refocus the point, if a woman stabbed a man who was NOT raping her and this was proven, she would be guilty of assault, possibly attempted murder depending on the circumstances. Why would this be different?
And, of course, any victim of this would be free to sue civilly for damages.
I'll defer on the specific legalities to Archivist since I'm not a lawyer, but I think I'm in the right ballpark (no pun intended...okay, yes, yes it was).
Social worker get serious.
In the united states it's legal to shoot your husband while he sleeps.
It's legal to cut your husbands penis off while he sleeps.
As long as you are a woman any act of violence against men is legal.
Why would this be any different?
Yeah social worker 25 barbed fish hooks will not damage your penis in any way.
social worker....
jeana/gg is that you???
Yeah social worker 25 barbed fish hooks will not damage your penis in any way.
Yeahhhhh, okay, another person who has not actually read any article remotely related to the actual device or its actual operation.
Where did the fish hooks concept come from?
Look, my friends, I am on board with holding women (and men where it happens) responsible for false rape allegations, but it drives me nuts when we willingly go diving off the deep end.
Fish hooks? Come on.
In the united states it's legal to shoot your husband while he sleeps.
It's legal to cut your husbands penis off while he sleeps.
As long as you are a woman any act of violence against men is legal.
Unless you provide actual references on this that "ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE" is legal when committed by a woman against a man, I call shenanigans on you.
By your logic, there is no female currently in any jail or prison in America for any crime against a male, much less arrested.
Prove it.
Should be fairly simple to start with a link to the laws in various states showing the legality of killing people in their sleep based on gender.
I realize I'm making a ridiculous demand, but only in reaction to an even more ridiculous statement.
I don't mind honest debate and discussion, but use your heads (um, no, the other one).
Dr Snark
How about deleting the feminist troll "social worker"
I thought I was reading the feministing site until I looked up and saw that it was the FRS.
"I don't mind honest debate and discussion, but use your heads (um, no, the other one)."
THAT gratutious statement alone, if no other, puts Social Worker in the 'troll' category. It sounds exactly like something a feminist would say.
An intellectually honest "free thinker" or "devil's advocate" would NOT use such rhetorical tactics.
"she hopes it is used by girls who are going on dates"
If a woman thought she needed such a device, why would she go out with him in the first place?
"How about deleting the feminist troll "social worker"
Let's not go nuts with the deletions. Too often it is like I'm hearing only one side of a phone conversation.
http://www.bbcf.ca/_articles/2007/diamond/diamond.htm
The key word being "diamond". The main reason there is so much rape in Southern Africa is because Western women demand expensive jewelry.
7:07: For the drama, of course. Because liars never cum until they get their drama.
7:21: Someone should tell them that's not where the diamonds are. Science has proven this.
I do not think Social Worker is a feminist troll. A deletion or ban is not in order but a warning will suffice.
Social Worker, don't use that kind of anti-male language again. Your points were fair and stood on their own, but then you had to go ruin it with a crack against men for thinking with their penises. Ho, ho, ho. Very lame shit. Very lame.
"Look, my friends, I am on board with holding women (and men where it happens) responsible for false rape allegations, but it drives me nuts when we willingly go diving off the deep end."
+1
Snark is right, though. The "think with your other head hurr durr!" line is beyond stale.
And if you guys think Social Worker is a feminist troll, I've got links to some actual feminist trolls that can be studied for comparison.
Ditto on excessive banning. Georgia Liar, etc. should be barred for life, but it is often useful to be able to dissect comments made by feminists, and other ignoramuses.
After reading social workers horrid comments and finding out that kind of stuff is allowed on here you just lost another reader.
This is one of the few places left that I thought I could be free from that trash.
After reading social workers horrid comments and finding out that kind of stuff is allowed on here you just lost another reader.
This is one of the few places left that I thought I could be free from that trash.
After reading social workers horrid comments and finding out that kind of stuff is allowed on here you just lost another reader.
This is one of the few places left that I thought I could be free from that trash.
Why leave? Stay and refute the comments.
At some point we're all going to have to crawl out of our shells and get out there and convince people. It isn't enough to escape from what's happening -- we have to win! Our children's future depends on it.
Oh no, we just lost three readers!
Cerberus will be back when he's all out of bubblegum.
Dr. Snark said...
Oh no, we just lost three readers!
LOL! You had me rolling with that one, Snark.
And thanks for the back-up. Everyone was right and my apologies all around for my lame attempt at humour. I was feeling a little snarky myself at the "fish hooks" commenter.
(Although I have seen some on here do far worse than make bad jokes with the cunt, bitch, whore talk.)
This is OT but I've been called a troll on both feminist and MRA sites for making the exact same points. It's interesting.
I said that I would provide some info on the rape situation in So. Africa and I am still working on it.
I've just been busy at work the past couple days.
Take care, all.
Here's the links to information on the rates of crime, including rape in South Africa.
Steven Berkimer mentioned doubting that the World Cup would be held there if the crime rate was so bad.
It's fairly typical for a country hosting a large international event (e.g. Olympics, Expos)to clean things up to show a positive face to the world. In that area, during that time, crime rates may drop precipitously, then return after everyone leaves. Think of the billions spent in a particular city to make it friendly to international visitors during the Olympics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_South_Africa
www.rape.co.za/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=875
www.statssa.gov.za/publications/Rape/Rape.pdf
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8107039.stm
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1008.html
Some of these are government statistics, but there are across-country comparisons so any errors in reporting would be across the board. The focus is more on where the country "places" and, as you can see, South Africa tops the list. This is not just for rape, but overall crime as well.
I also included a study from a year ago that many of you have probably heard. It's of self-disclosed rape reported anonymously by South African men.
I included the U.S.'s Travel Dept traveler's info page as well, as this is advice given to any traveler to a particular country. I'll include the relevant paragraph from the Crime section so you don't have to read through it all:
"Crimes against property, such as carjacking, have often been accompanied by violent acts, including murder, when victims resist or are slow to respond to attackers’ demands. South Africa also has the highest incidence of reported rape in the world. Foreigners are not specifically targeted, but several have been the victims of rape. Victims of violent crime, especially rape, are strongly encouraged to seek immediate medical attention, including antiretroviral therapy against HIV/AIDS. Questions about how to receive such treatment should be directed to the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate."
Enjoy.
Nashvegas said...
And if you guys think Social Worker is a feminist troll, I've got links to some actual feminist trolls that can be studied for comparison.
Wow. Thanks for the comparison, Nash. I am generally very supportive of the core concepts of feminism while being acutely aware of where it goes over the top, IMO. This beats the top. I read a few articles there.
I had to look up what PIV-sex was as I never heard that term before. Apparently, IT'S SEX! And if I made that comment on Feminade, I'd be called a troll there.
If I'm a feminist troll as several have labeled me, they are ogres.
Thanks SocialWorker. And agreed, they can try to present a good face, but as bad as things are with regards to crime there, you can't just sweep that under the rug. It is too well known. Really, that makes me even less likely to support FIFA.
As can be seen in the Lorena Bobbit thread, people have a tendency to let their emotions run away with them sometimes. We try not to moderate too heavy here, so some of the comments get rather 'salty'.
Thank you for the links. While I will never condone rape, this condom is just as bad, for there is simply no way to really prove that the man that gets hurt by it, is a rapist. We have see too many stories on this site, where the lengths that a false accuser has gone to, to set up a false rape claim, can be extreme. And that these condoms could be used for just that purpose.
I won't argue that, Steven. It's just disturbing to me that that's where a lot of minds go without seeing the original intent and benefit for the women IN the area it was created for.
Despite all the name calling, I don't see the doctor who created this as some man-hating monster; she is trying to help women in a horrible no-win situation. It makes no sense to me that one would dedicate years of their lives and a substantial amount of their own money to create such a device FOR the purpose of harming men versus doing what she could out of a drive to help desperate women who are literally in danger of rape daily.
I do not equate their lives with the fears bandied about by many feminist quarters in Western society.
SW, I don't think her purpose was to hurt men. I think that she genuinely wants to help "women," in a collective sense. But I think this product is more to make a point and draw attention to the rape problem than anything else.
It is not a smart product for women -- remember in the early to mid-70s, there was a lot of talk about eliminating the resistance requirement for women because fighting back might only makes things worse. Half of our states have eliminated it totally. This product is dangerous even for rape victims -- it could get them killed.
And it's dangerous for innocent men. I don't think you disagree with my recitation of the law -- a man might be attacked by this thing even in non-rape situations if she's sending off the "wrong" signals (signals indicative of consent), etc.
It's a stupid product, all around. I certainly believe you are well-intentioned, but this isn't worth your advocacy. There are lots of better things to do for rape victims than this.
Archivist:
I definitely have the concern about an actual rapist becoming inflamed and hurting the woman worse. Though there is some thought that since beatings accompany rape with some frequency that at least he would be identified. The idea that if I'm going to be raped and hurt anyway, he didn't come away free.
I think the mind who would murder over this would likely have done so anyway to try and cover his tracks.
A sad way to view this, I know.
I agree that there are much more useful ways to reduce rape. As you've said, this is an attention-getting concept.
I am curious to see how it pans out in terms of reduction in rapes for that area as well as legally. Meaning if legally men would have the right to sue the woman for using this without warning them.
Do you have any legal thoughts on that aspect?
I failed to make this clear before.
I absolutely agree with the concern that this could be used against an innocent man.
I would be horrified at the mind of the woman who would do this, but know it could happen.
I don't know that I'm with you on the "accident" concept. I can't imagine having this inside me, even with a few drinks and forgetting it's there.
Besides which, as someone else mentioned, if I'm heading out for drinks and a possible hook-up, I'm not going to be using this.
Condoms, yes! LOL.
I think the mind who would murder over this would likely have done so anyway to try and cover his tracks.
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Is that a joke, social worker? You really don't think that a violent criminal would react with extreme force when his penis is caught in a trap?
I assume that you've taken courses in psychology, sociology, etc. You must realize that impulsive individuals -- the kind that would even resort to rape -- will also react impulsively to agonizing pain.
@Anon, 2:53 PM:
I agree with you. I'm simply saying that the impulsive mind that would murder for having his penis caught in a trap would likely ALSO murder for any host of other reasons:
e.g. woman fighting back, not doing what he wants, wearing too many clothes, etc.
This device would just give another reason to someone who's unbalanced to begin with.
But torturing his penis gives him a far stronger incentive to kill than her just resisting him.
". . . if legally men would have the right to sue the woman for using this without warning them."
Wow, that's a great question. I'm going to have to think about that one.
@SW
Though there is some thought that since beatings accompany rape with some frequency that at least he would be identified.
If the public stance that those in the "Rape/Sexual Assault" industry tend to spout, is that the majority of rapes aren't stranger rapes, and involve little violence, is to be believed, then I don't know thatthis would be true. It looks good on T.V. and in the Movies, but based on most accounts (at least here in the US, and in the UK), physical violence is almost never a factor. Drugs and alcohol are.
Of course, that is also the case with the vast majority of false rape accusations as well. Maybe we should start teaching women and men that drug/alcohol cunsumption are the leading cause of both. The problem with that is, Those who earn their living off of these types of things, tend to scream how that is "victim" blaming. Of course, they do have a financial incentive to make sure that there is no resolution to this. Strange that.
@Archivist
@Social Worker
@Steven Berkeimer
Falsely Accused Soldier
First of all, this is at Social Worker. The Western World very rarely attaches the same amount of punishment to women for the same crime as men.
If you don't believe me then just google Lorena Bobbit. Ask yourself this question, if a man mutilated a woman in almost the same way(biological differences notwithstanding) as Lorena Bobbit did to her husband would he be re-married with a child not 15ish years later?
Or ask yourself this question, if your my wife and you pick up a pot. You try to hit me with it and I restrain you. Possible bruising your wrists in the process. If you call the police and say I was trying to beat you who would be taken away? Note, your wrists don't show bruises yet, they do the next day. Who do you think is going to be convicted of domestic violence? That is if you continue the lie...
Or google whether a woman accused of armed robbery; in the same manner as a man commited the crime will be sentenced less?
Believe me or not I have seen alot of these goings on. The fucked up part is the male gets back with the female alot of the time. I don't know if this is statistically accurate but it is what I have seen in my life. Just watching different couples go through my 5 years in the Army and my 2 year long deployments to Iraq.
The truth is a man who is a victim of a Rape-aXe could sue the offending woman. However there is this small question of assets. The female ex soldier who accused me was kicked out of the military. She works as a stripper in a small town in texas. She has no assets in which to take by a civil court.
In the International scene of the World Cup another question arises. How do you sue someone who lives in the Netherlands when you live in Brazil? Remember you are probaly out of your medical costs, because I doubt the majority of insurance carriers cover penis needle removal in South Africa. I wonder what is the deductible on that?
You agree that it is absolutely horrible to use this on someone (innocent). I know rape is an epidemic in South Africa. I have known this for years through the military and several news sources I have verified.
However if you believe that this will be used correctly by what are basically foreign tourists you are wrong. This isn't a restricted item, guess what you can take it home with you. In all my international travel(my passport looks like a collectors stamp collection[a joke]) I have never seen a moratorium on condoms or there look alikes.
So you are right in alot of different facets. However you are wrong in others. This will be used incorrectly by the "tourists." Those brazen enough to walk up to the Rape-aXe counter or booth. I don't think they will give away all of them. Like a college campus free condom give away. They will probably get rid of about 1/3, 10,000 of them.
The question is how many foreign soccer fans travel to South Africa. How many women who afford the trip are worried about being raped, penis in vagina. Against there will at the world cup?
I am dumbfounded by all of this.
i'll take the rape-axe over this thing any day
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=29&art_id=ct20001222184005162_210700
Also from the inventor's own website FAQ:
""You will get vindictive woman that would want to get back at the guys and frame them. Do you hate men? "
You have a valid point, My advice, don't put what belongs to you where it does not belong and you will never run into trouble. No, I do not hate men I love men, I don't even hate the rapist however I hate his deed. "
Wow... she oughta be a bullfighter with a sidestep like that.
@ Falsely Accused Soldier:
I agree with what you say on sentencing and treatment of women, given the same crime.
I also agree that men (women too) often seem to get back with their abuser. In fact, in my web-readings on the Bobbitt case, I found that John DID try to get back with Lorena some years after her attack.
As to Slim's invention reporting:
Jesus f..... Christ!
I don't want men to rape, OF COURSE, but I don't want the parts cut off.
I like those parts.
4:47: She says one thing and then contradicts it in the same sentence. Does she understand that "putting your thing where it doesn't belong" isn't the fault of the victim -- that the false rape accuser invited him to put it there?
Apparently she thinks that the burden should be on innocent men to not have their dicks caught in a trap. Obviously she's the Joseph Mengele of feminism.
Irregardless of the attacks on false rape claims and "innocent penises", oh so obvious that a male wrote this one.
Perhaps show a little consideration to the women who have been raped and would have given anything for such an invention at the time?
Think of both sides of the argument before you attack one mate.
Anon, on July 8: First, "irregardless" is not a word.
Second, your comment about "a male" writing this is sexist in the extreme. Go read the post again, and again, and again, until you understand it, and perhaps you will think twice in the future about coming onto a site with inane comments that merely expose your hatred for an entire gender.
Third, so what if a rape victim would have want it? She's not the judge, jury, and executioner. As much as vile, verminous, sub-human feminists think she is, she is not.
Go troll at some man-hate site where you'll feel at home.
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