Monday, June 21, 2010
Cathy Young rips Amanda Marcotte a new vagina on false rape claims
A Feminist Flare Up
By Cathy Young
Perhaps all the talk of the "Year of the Conservative Woman," sparked by the crop of fairly conservative Republican women running for office, has slightly unhinged some feminists on the left. Or maybe it's a flare-up of the Palin Derangement Syndrome caused by Sarah Palin's galling insistence on calling herself a feminist. For whatever reason, the Feminist Dogma Police is out in force, handing down edicts on where the party lines must be drawn -- and, for whatever reason, they have been getting a platform for these edicts not in specialty publications but in the mainstream media. The loser, ultimately, is feminism itself.
First, The Washington Post ran blogger Jessica Valenti's diatribe against Palin and other women who, in her view, were trying to usurp the feminist mantle. Sure, Valenti allowed, diversity of opinions is good -- but goddess forbid there should be feminists who dissent from the sisterhood's orthodoxy on abortion or pay equity, or who believe that women in America today are not oppressed by "the patriarchy." Then, Slate.com published a piece by another big gun of the left-wing feminist blogosphere, Amanda Marcotte, titled "A short history of 'feminist' anti-feminists" and painting Palin as the latest in a line of "women who call themselves feminist" while opposing the feminist movement.
Marcotte's account, which identifies three generations of "feminist anti-feminists," is pretty shoddy history. For one, her first generation -- the Eagle Forum's Phyllis Schlafly or Concerned Women for America founder Beverly LaHaye -- consists of women who never called themselves feminists and explicitly opposed gender equality as counter to the God-given roles of the sexes. (Bizarrely, Marcotte even calls this first wave "plain ol' anti-feminism.") And her third generation, which includes Palin and is clumsily labeled "co-opting feminism anti-feminism," is a random list of women and organizations whose only common feature seems to be that they either oppose abortion or believe that women are ill-served by a sexually permissive culture.
Then there's Marcotte's attack on what she classes as the second wave of feminism's critics: "'Independent Feminism' Anti-Feminism," of which I myself have been a part. Arising in the early 1990s, "independent feminism" embraced the feminist challenge to women's traditional place but also asserted that the major battles for women's rights had been won -- and not only celebrated feminist achievements but questioned exaggerated claims of female oppression and male evil. Among other things, this dissident feminism criticized the tendency to redefine rape (particularly "date rape") so broadly as to include miscommunication due to mixed signals or sex under the influence of alcohol.
Marcotte sarcastically asserts that one of the major "victories" of "independent feminism" was "maintaining a cultural and legal framework that made it difficult to prosecute rape." What does this mean? Her previous writings on the subject provide some context. In 2006-2007, Marcotte emerged as a leader of the cyber-lynch mob in the Duke University rape hoax. On her blog, anyone questioning the guilt of the three lacrosse players charged with sexually assaulting an exotic dancer at a team party was branded a "rape apologist." In a particularly vicious broadside, she sneered at syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker for arguing that "unless the victim is 9 years old and a virgin and white and blonde ... rape isn't so much a crime as a feminist plot to put all men in jail." This wasn't so much hyperbole as outright distortion: while Parker had deplored the "rush to judgment" in the Duke case, she had explicitly condemned the notion that the alleged victim was less deserving of sympathy because she was a stripper. (Parker is one of the "independent feminists" on Marcotte's Slate blacklist.)
The true extent of Marcotte's hate-filled zealotry is evident in a profanity-laced rant she posted about a CNN special report on the Duke case aired after the rape charges were dismissed. (She later deleted the post when it became an issue in the controversy over her short-lived appointment as blog coordinator for the John Edwards presidential campaign.) Slamming CNN as "pure evil," Marcotte vented her outrage at having to "listen to how the poor dear lacrosse players at Duke are being persecuted just because they held someone down and f***ed her against her will," and concluded sarcastically, "Can't a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it? So unfair."
It seems that, in Marcotte's eyes, the real crime of the "independent feminists'" is helping preserve the idea that the presumption of innocence applies even in cases of rape and sexual assault. If so, that is indeed a victory. Depriving men of their civil rights is no victory for women -- both as a matter of principle and because most women have men in their lives whom they would not want to see face a false charge of rape under Marcotte-style standards of justice.
The real mystery is why a publication of Slate.com's stature, and its "women's section," Double XX, would run an article whose main purpose is to exclude dissent from feminist discourse and smear the dissenters. (Whether any respectable media outlet would extend such courtesy to a blogger who wrote about women, gays, or black men with the kind of vitriol Marcotte shows toward white males is another question.) What happened to letting a hundred flowers bloom?
For the record, I strongly disagree with some of the women on Marcotte's enemies list, right-to-life feminists in particular. Aside from the issue of government control over people's bodies, I am troubled by their tendency to portray women who have abortions as victims of predatory males -- rhetoric that echoes the "victim feminists" of the left. But that doesn't mean there should be no place at the feminist table for women who genuinely believe that abortion is the taking of a human life, no dialogue or search for compromise. Yes, even the biggest tent must have some boundaries: to expand "feminism" to include advocacy of male superiority or female submission would strip the concept of all meaning. But, last time I checked, women who held such views were in no rush to appropriate the term. And if the question is how best to achieve gender equity and how much of it has been achieved already, why not try debate rather than excommunication?
Cathy Young writes a weekly column for RealClearPolitics and is also a contributing editor at Reason magazine. She blogs at http://cathyyoung.wordpress.com/. She can be reached at cyoung@realclearpolitics.com
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Depriving men of their civil rights is no victory for women -- both as a matter of principle and because most women have men in their lives whom they would not want to see face a false charge of rape under Marcotte-style standards of justice.
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That's because Marcotte-style standards of justice are Stalin-style standards of justice. She's monster, like Crystal Mangum.
Re abortion.
This is ***NOT*** government control over ***YOUR*** body, it is government control over your right to kill an entirely separate unique living creature.
There is NO excuse for abortion (in 99.999% of cases) due to the extreme effectiveness of free birth control techniques.
My FRA has had *many* abortions, I suspect this is also a common feature of FRA, along with BPD/NPD etc
AfOR:
To me, the phrase "entirely separate unique living creature" sounds not like a scientific or legal definition of an embryo, but rather one that is morally or religiously constructed.
But why even get into this debate here? I fail to see how the wholly separate issue of abortion has anything to do with false rape accusations other than as anecdotal asides.
Agreed, Nash. The trouble is -- men should have the same choice.
By the way -- the next time you rip Amanda a new something, make it an asshole.
I don't want her reproducting at a faster rate.
"I concede that a tiny, inconsequential fraction of rape accusations are false. But I also won't be alone in a room with a man that goes on and on about false rape accusations. Said obsession indicates ulterior motives."
Amanda Marcotte
06/08/2010, 13:08:43
Pure projection. We all already know that those people like Amanda who go on and on about rape have the ulterior motive of squeezing out as many false accusations against men as possible. Who does she think she is kidding?
I wouldn't call ~60% tiny or inconsequential, but that's a matter of opinion I guess.
I like how, in denying that there is a false rape accusation problem, she herself is making false rape accusations, as a means of silencing those who care about men's civil rights.
However, she is right that she should be fearful to be in the same room as me. Rape is obviously not on the cards, but it would be a rather ... 'unpleasant' experience for her in so many ways.
Pretty much anything Amanda says can be negated with a single word: "Why?"
Why does advocating against false rape accusers indicate any motive other than wanting to punish and prevent false rape accusations?
Her answer: "Just because!" Because she's a toddler trapped in the mind of Joseph Stalin imprisoned in the body of a woman.
Which does Marcotte hate more, men who advocate for victims of false rape claims, or Catholicism? HA HA. Bill Donohue put this inanity in her place, didn't he? Funny, too, how she was working for such a great feminist model, John Edwards.
I hear that Amanda recently left her native Texas and now lives in Brooklyn.
I must confess that I don't fault her for that. Brooklyn (or NYC generally) has GOT to be a cooler, more interesting place to live than any comparable urban area in Texas.
(All but for the horrendous cost of living in NYC! Sigh! I would LOVE to live in NYC, I'd be a pig in clover, sucking up all of those cultural mind-expanding opportunities on a daily basis; the libraries, the museums,the second-hand bookstores, the vibrant human chemistry going on everywhere you wander. Sigh!)
But anyhoo, Amanda M. needs to get her skank ass back to Texas and spend the rest of her life working in a truck stop with all the truckers and cowboys hitting her up for blowjobs! Cultural enrichment makes people like Amanda Marcotte WORSE because it "empowers" them to be assholes behind a more clever facade. Amanda doesn't deserve to live in NYC. I do!!
The problem isn't just her, though. It's that the public is living in a fairy tale world and believes the exact opposite of the truth when it comes to sex crimes.
Here are some lies that most people will insist are perfectly true:
1- That innocent men are hardly ever charged or convicted of rape.
2- That convicted sex offenders ALWAYS do it again.
3- That sex offenders can never, ever be rehabilitated, and that "the experts all agree about this."
As long as idiots are allowed to repeat this misinformation it's hard to imagine gaining ground against liars like Amanda Marcotte. It isn't just feminists -- it's stupid people in general.
@Anonymous:
Could you possibly give a link to that Amanda Marcotte quotation that you shared with us above?
Jun 22, 2010 4:45:00 AM
http://www.slate.com/id/2256184/pagenum/all/#add-comment
You can scroll down and find it. Fwiw, I think one has to be registered to link comments directly.
"I concede that a tiny, inconsequential fraction of rape accusations are false."
They are hardly inconsequential to the men being thrown in prison for decades because of them. I'm sure she would respond they learned a good lesson from the experience.
That's like saying that a tiny, inconsequential number of murders happen. We're talking about men's entire lives.
But what happens to innocent men is never consequential to the feminazi Minsters of Propaganda.
Since we're having fun with Amanda, here's one of her old chestnuts:
"What if Mary had taken Plan B after the Lord filled her with his hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit? You’d have to justify your misogyny with another ancient mythology.”
Which not only demonstrates what a vulgar, blasphemous piglet she is, but also that she less knowledge of male sex organs and their product than a pimple-faced school girl. (Hint: it isn't white tar!)
As I have said before, Cathy Young's whole position on these things is a classic No True Scotsman defense. She offers up some idealized version of what feminism supposedly should stand for, rather than the way it is actually practiced by the majority of its adherents.
This is a bit like during the Cold War, whenever someone pointed out some atrocities being committed in the Soviet Union, communist sympathizers would retort 'ah, but they are not practicing true communism. If they practiced true communism, as set out in some utopian manifesto, everything would be roses.' This kind of defense is lame, and any movement or ideology can resort to it.
Ultimately, any ideology or movement should be judged by how the majority of its adherents act in practice. If the majority of self-identified feminists view issues like the 'wage gap myth' as non-negotiable articles of faith, then that is clearly what feminism is about. It is silly to pretend otherwise, and claim that the majority view is some kind of aberration from the true cause.
But moreover, why are so-called dissident or equity or moderate feminists so keen to hold onto the f word, when it has been so thoroughly taken over by a destructive agenda. It would be like living in Stalinist Russia, and then calling yourself a 'dissident Stalinist' or 'equity Stalinist', and yabbering on about how you want to reclaim the lost communist values of egalitarianism while opposing the more militant class warfare and destruction of liberty.
Seriously, do these people know how silly their worldview is to people who are actually intellectually astute?
They are clueless.
And here is a major problem that feminists face: it's getting harder all the time for them to pretend that their goal is equality.
The rapidly deteriorating economic status of men will eventually rip that mask off. Eventually, men will recognize that women are their main political adversaries.
"Eventually, men will recognize that women are their main political adversaries."
No, I don't think so. Women as a class, and men as a class, are largely intertwined. The "battle of the sexes" exists mainly on the features pages of America's dailies, which are rapidly fading in readership. In real life, men and women interact, work together, live together, play together. For most men, and most women, a member of the opposite sex is the closest person in their lives.
Sometimes I think we'd all benefit from not looking at the world through a gender lens. Those of us interested in these issues especially. One of the worst things that can happen is to start viewing women as "the enemy." The vast majority of women do not view men as "the enemy."
But Archivist: women already think of themselves as a minority. They have for decades.
As a result, women have become the new first gender while men -- not viewing themselves as a united class -- have declined.
I can't see this changing until men start seeing themselves as a social class, and pursuing their own interests the same way that women do. It's hard to win a tug-of-war if you're the side that isn't even pulling the rope.
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