The forces of darkness triumph -- again:
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On to other issues.
No, now is time for a strike action.
They tested the waters, and the waters are full of sharks, so they are backtracking.
There aren't enough people on the right side who care about this issue, unfortunately. It's a shame that every falsely accused celebrity, and athlete, didn't jump on the bandwagon. I think it says more about men. The feminists put up a petition, and all they need to know is if it goes against men, and they come out of the woodwork to sign. We try the same thing, and men say, "I won't sign because all accused should get anonymity."
Anonymity until being charged isn't worth my time.
It isn't over. The whole article is based on a comment he made at Prime Minister's Questions - NOT AN OFFICIAL POLICY SHIFT. The Daily Mail is somewhat renowned for its sensationalism.
Look, here's the Times's report:
"Ms Harman used her other three questions to pick away at coalition plans to give men accused of rape anonymity unless and until they’re convicted. I suspect it may find little sympathy among some readers here, but it’s become a minor cause celebre in Labour circles, and Ms Harman’s decision to go on the issue will play well with “her” people. And indeed, Mr Cameron gave ground here, suggesting that anonymity may last only to the point of charge."
My argument is that a strike action could show the SUPPORT for this proposal and ensure they don't backtrack.
"Anonymity until being charged isn't worth my time."
Wouldn't it still be a major improvement over the current situation?
THEY ARE USUALLY CHARGED RIGHT AWAY. AND NEWSPAPERS HARDLY EVER REPORT ON SOME GUY WHO HASN'T BEEN CHARGED. NO. IT WOULD NOT EVEN BE A NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT.
I don't know. It was a LIB DEM, not a CONSERVATIVE policy. From the Lib Dem grassroots and official since 2006.
He might not have anticipated Harman's questions, and may have responded like a milquetoast on the spot.
The question of whether the LIB DEMS will let them drop it is another matter. They're in a coalition. David Cameron and the Conservatives aren't running the show by themselves. It's a Lib Dem policy which the coalition agreed to put forward. I'M NOT SURE CAMERON CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO DROP IT, and if he said this on the spot then it means NOTHING.
"My argument is that a strike action could show the SUPPORT for this proposal and ensure they don't backtrack."
My experience tells me it's too late. Once they publicly say a thing like this, that becomes the bar -- the starting point. The only question is whether the fucking feminists can force him to back down totally. Obama did the same thing here on the "public option" for healthcare. Besides, I see zero wide support for what we're advocating here. Fuck, there's little support in the "men's" movement for what we're advocating here.
This might be a litmust test issue for this blog -- are we completely wasting our time here? Right now, I think the answer is "yes."
There was huge public support in favour of this.
Feminists = minority rule
The people wanted this - trust me.
Like any dictatorship, feminists should be taken down by any means necessary.
"There was huge public support in favour of this."
I guess I wouldn't know that, reading the British papers, now, would I? Have there been polls done on this? From all I've seen, the only ones who cared about it were opposed to it.
Let me put it this way: it's like every other issue the feminists win on -- if it were put to a public vote, they'd go down in flames. But they are the only ones who care enough about rape issues to be a political force.
Snark, if we're going to react, now's the time. We need to mobilize this entire movement, whatever there is of it. The feminists would already be on the phone to Cameron's office. We need to go after Cameron and whoever else. I've sketched out the arguments in my post -- no delay.
Absolutely pathetic. The lives of innocent men will continue to be raped because the feminist whores find it "insulting!" for them to be protected.
The monsters prevail yet again.
Also worth noting: Harriet Harman -- the feminist trash heap who got full anonymity killed -- also opposed targetted tax breaks for married couples.
In spite of his shortcomings, Cameron does appear genuinely sympathetic to men's issues. I hope at least that anonymity prior to charges will be granted.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100041998/pmqs-harriet-harman-holds-her-own/
(Cameron discusses the breakdown in family structures -- the feminist objects.)
"Harriet Harman -- the feminist trash heap who got full anonymity killed"
She didn't get anything killed. We always knew what her response would be.
If this falls now, it is because of Cameron.
Even more on Harriet Harmann, the former "equalities minister" who has the habit of making up her own statistics:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257981/Harriet-Harmans-unreliable-statistics-rape-scare-victims.html
And she floated a trial balloon about de facto quotas for rape convictions.
An interesting twist in that last article posted above: Harmann's bogus rape stats are frightening off rape victims from reporting!
Frightening off rape victims is just fine with feminists -- their goal is to CHANGE THE LAW so that rape convictions are easier and easier. They want to ditch the adversary system and go to an inquisitorial system. They want to flip the burden of proof on consent. They want to eliminate evidence of prior sexual activity even between the accuser and the accused.
How can they do that? They can do that by continually insisting that the conviction rate is "too low."
By the way, for those who don't know, I am having a great day personally, I am just pissed at the limp-dick men's movement for not being able to hold its ground on this issue.
Your anger is justified. But it really isn't over yet.
The MRAs in the UK need to prove that they are a force to be reckoned with by howling bloody murder over this issue. This crazy labour leader is an excellent rhetorical target, too.
WHAT UK MRAs? Me and Angry Harry?
Limp dick men's movement is right. I don't even know what the fuck to do.
Let's get a list together of the MPs we need to target by email and, as AfOR says, snail mail.
All right.
I'll get on it.
It'll be some time before this actually goes to a vote, anyway.
Snark, archivist has my email, any behind the scenes practical help I can offer, ask away, just can't be a front man yet.
Who are some high profile false rape victims in the UK? Some of them must have blogs.
I mean other than the men who have been murdered by Harriet Harman's pets (false rape accusers):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-541189/Man-hangs-falsely-accused-raping-women-children.html#comments
A man who lost his job after being falsely accused of a horrific sex crime has been found hanged in a shed.
Ian Adams, 51, was suspended and then sacked from his job at a local IKEA store after his employers received a letter saying he had raped a woman and her two children.
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It's too late for this victim, but there may still be hope if we get the word out about pro-false rape accuser politicians like Harriet Harmann.
One thing that even American and other MRAs can do is visit UK newspapers and post the link to that story. Every time you see Harriet Harmann or another pro-liar MP you go there and ask her why they opposed anonymity for innocent victims like this man.
Add that link to your favorites list and every week search under 'Harriet Harmann.' When the cunt's name comes up go directly to the comments section.
Never, ever forget this outrage.
"Let's get a list together of the MPs we need to target by email and, as AfOR says, snail mail."
Why not contact every member of the US Congress and Senate on this issue also?
Why not contact Reade Seligmann? If he wants to begin a career helping the falsely accused, he would make the perfect spokesman for this issue. Someone should at least make him aware that False Rape Society exists.
I don't know what Congress could do. They can't grant anonymity here; only the newspapers themselves can do that, and they're hopelessly pro-liar and pro-feminist.
"I don't know what Congress could do. They can't grant anonymity here; only the newspapers themselves can do that, and they're hopelessly pro-liar and pro-feminist."
What, even the NRA, Vet's, etc
This issue is so incredibly important, and it's hard to see how we can make progress on it in the United States -- although some of us could name rape accusers and put their names on the internet, if we could get that information. Still, you would need a lot of MRAs for that to make any difference at all!
Anonymity of the rape claimant and full disclosure of the rape accused creates a hurdle for the defendent that is all but impossible to overcome. The overwhelming implication is one of guilt.
Even if the case is completely refuted and the liar exposed, the odds of her being held accountable are slim -- that is why Crystal Mangum is still walking around free (at the moment) and has never even been charged for her crimes.
Many, many people are always left with the lingering impression that the man was guilty all along, because of this systemic discrimination on the part of American newspapers.
And that is why feminist freaks like Harriet Harman are fighting so hard for a bias, discriminatory system: they know that as long as this bias in reporting exists, men will in effect be second-class citizens, who are fair game for any lying cunt with a chip on her shoulder.
Snark is on it.
The most troubling thing about Cameron's comments was his kowtowing to the feminist nonsense that the rape conviction rate is "too low."
Too low -- for WHAT?
Let's get this straight: you need a certain number of men sent away based on the number of rape claims? Kind of like in baseball, if your number three batter isn't hitting .300, you move him down in the lineup?
So what's the magic number? Send at least one male away for every four rape claims? Every two?
I mean, seriously, that entire discussion assumes that there "must" be more legitimate rape claims that aren't being convicted. The fact is, there aren't. There are a lot of false claims, and there are a lot of claims where no one can tell what happened.
So, if you can't tell what happened, just lock up some of the guys to appease the angry feminist gods, right?
Hey, Mr. PM, here's an idea: stop paying women to lie about rape and you'll see the conviction rate go up -- because there will be fewer false claims.
Most important, stop treating every naked accusation as a "rape."
I'm sorry to hear about this for you guys in the UK.
I know something like this will never pass in the united states.
I hope it gets turned around and passes.
It's just unreal how totally unfair that these laws are.
The media is against this they LOVE to ruin Men's lives..a law change like this would be less profit for them.
Not all mens lives are being ruined equally.
The femi-nazi paradigm is more about breaking the will and resistanse of the working class males, than it is about empowering stupid women.
Women are just the tools for the femi-nazi paradigm.
Notice how the article is totally one sided.
They make no mention of the guys that had their lives destroyed or killed themselves or were killed over false claims.
And that is because the news media made big bucks putting them out there as rapists.
The media does not want this to pass.
The problem of false rape accusations -- and convictions -- is largely invisible. That is why the media allows the feminist to (sometimes literally) get away with murder.
Rape accusations are lurid and immediate. But a man claiming to have been falsely convicted of rape always has a very uphill battle, and his story is never as sexy (from a media standpoint) as a rape accuser's.
Innocence doesn't sell, and neither does the old-fashioned idea that innocent people must be protected from feminist slugs.
I don't, fellas -- I hate the say this, but female supremacy may be the law of the land (both lands) for quite some time to come.
Women outnumber men by a significant margin, due to a variety of reasons men will never care as much about men as women care about women, and the market for free information works against men due to the lurid nature of accusations against men, and the boring nature of male accusations against women (in spite of their truth).
Governments keep getting more authoritarian and societies remain anti-male and pro-liar, and it's hard to see this changing. If you ask men whether or not they are happy, they are more likely to answer "yes" than women are -- on the basis of that how can you expect a strong men's rights movement to ever evolve? Men are too busy with sports, porn, and other distractions to worry about the rights of their fellow men.
I read recently about a gay rights parade that attracted 50,000 people. When was the last time 50,000 MRAs got together for no particular reason?
I don't, fellas -- I hate the say this,
This should read, 'I don't know, fellas -- I hate to say this,'
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I also forgot to mention that women account for over two-thirds of consumer spending, which is why advertisers pander to women. How can you beat 54% of the vote and two-thirds of consumer spending when your own people hardly even care?
Archivist said...
"My argument is that a strike action could show the SUPPORT for this proposal and ensure they don't backtrack."
My experience tells me it's too late. Once they publicly say a thing like this, that becomes the bar -- the starting point. The only question is whether the fucking feminists can force him to back down totally. Obama did the same thing here on the "public option" for healthcare. Besides, I see zero wide support for what we're advocating here. Fuck, there's little support in the "men's" movement for what we're advocating here.
This might be a litmust test issue for this blog -- are we completely wasting our time here? Right now, I think the answer is "yes."
Jun 2, 2010 1:39:00 PM
"are we completely wasting our time here?"
No! This site IS way to valuable and important to be considered a waste of anything.
Archivist said...
Let's get a list together of the MPs we need to target by email and, as AfOR says, snail mail.
Jun 2, 2010 2:36:00 PM
Dr. Snark said...
All right.
I'll get on it.
It'll be some time before this actually goes to a vote, anyway.
Jun 2, 2010 2:40:00 PM
I hope this make it easier;
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While we are at it, we should formulate a strategy for the same type of action here in the U.S.
If you had anyone even MENTION this in the united states all the major networks would fight it to the death.
24-7 cnn would bash it along with an oprah and diane sawyer special dedicated to making sure it failed.
These people and networks have bought their homes in malibu off of ruining guys lives.
Men have got to learn to fight fire with fire, not with arguments and reason because feminists have no reason or sense of fair play. This is how I would handle this matter, and have been handling it. It is very easy for me to get the name of any female accuser who falsely believes she is safe from public scrutiny. Many times all I have to do is call the accused to get her name or use some other simple method. I then proceed to publicly name her, Most newspapers have comments sections under the story and I simply add her name as the "anonymous" female who made the false allegation against the man.Is this illegal? What law have I violated? Even if I did I don't give a damn about the law and will just pursue my little hobby anonymously. If I live anywhere near the area I simply post the information (in large type) at railway stations and bulletin boards where everyone can see it.
I also posted the link to this article and the link to the petition at The National Coalition For Free Men
http://www.ncfm.org/issues/false-accusations/comment-page-3/#comment-458
False Rape accusations "empowered" the Klu-Klux-Klan!!
False Rape accusation now "Empower" the Gender / Raunch community.
This would be silly, if it were not the truth!!
I have been trying to sound the alarm here for quite some time, only to be ignored or told 'we don't support that'.
I'm telling you again - look at the child abuse industry to see where all this is going.
Our Constitutional rights, as well as due process rights dating back to the Magna Carta have been usurped under the banner of "if it saves just one child".
We KNOW the horror stories of countless innocent people caught up in that nightmare - yet it has gone on for decades now.
You can support Constitutional rights without supporting NAMBLA!
The more they are allowed to gut rights for this 'cause' the more it trickles up - first it's to protect children, not its to protect helpless women.
There are small but well organized groups effectively circimventing the endless laws proposed against those accused of child abuse.
It might behoove this site to contact some of those leaders and learn about how to organize and fight back.
Before it's too late.
THIS is an example of a SOSEN post:
The Killing of SB53/ Strategy
« on: January 29, 2010, 11:02:29 AM »QuoteI wanted to provide a summary of how we destroyed the only retributive justice bill in 2010. I wont go into the long story of education, and a years worth of prior work. This is just strategy used for THIS one bill. While we stopped 3 bills in 2009, it was a nightmare involving dozens of trips to the Capital, and using up favors to slow the bill down. This year, we went for throat, saving time, money and enabling us to move on to better things.
1. We started last summer, 6 months out meeting with law makers in person.
2. We attended interim courts and corrections committee that meets to recommend bills in the off season.
3. We created a "lynch mob" mentality at the October courts and corrections meeting, driving 4 hours to forever change the way these bills are received. This then results in a "do not support" for the first time ever in advance of the session in November by the interim comittee.
4. We make "good will" gestures and provide expert legal opinion on how the bill could be made "less bad"(yes, we attempt to HELP them get the bill passed, so we can come back and say "they would not listen to anyone", because we KNEW they would not modify the bill)
5. We mobilize friends in Judiciary to kill the bill once it gets to them.(not needed in the end)
6. We discuss all the problems with the committee analysts. One member spends the night at the Capital and 1.5 days lobbying in person.
7. CFC members write letters and emails to Public Affairs members.
8. Every single lobby group provides a MOUNTAIN of data, but ALL different. The chairperson of the comittee comments " ALL THIS IS FOR 53!" to her aid.
9. All lobbyist coordinate to talk about different components, from the overall scheme, retro activity, collateral damage, AWA, ect....(CDLA, ACLU, County Governments, the Sentencing Comission,ect) All these lobbyist work together with us already due to our activism. One attorney now even helps our sister group set up homes for RFSO.
10. One of our members targets the chairman, and sponsor of the original SORNA, stroking her ego and telling everyone that he was sure she never meant for her original legislation to become retroactive, and be changed so radically.
11. Despite a snow storm, we made sure all other lobbyist groups were there, including a SOMB member, and attorney who is a member of our group.
What we DID NOT do;(things I see others suggesting all the time)
1. Protest
2. Bring in the media
3. Focus on phone call or letter writing campaigns
Now we can officially build on the momentum to propose reform bills in 2011.
Protest isn't a particularly effective way of influencing politicians. Here is Barney Frank, complaining about ineffective tactics used by the gay community:
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/barney-frank-says-to-fellow-gays-lets-lobby-like-the-nra/blog-304503/
In an interview with Karen Ocamb of LGBT POV, openly gay congressman Barney Frank expressed frustration with the ineffectual lobbying tactics of the gay community. As the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell is apparently slipping off the President's 2010 agenda, Frank feels that his community's political muscle needs pumping. Frank derides such events as the National Equality March, and bemoans the gay community's claims that they were there to put pressure on Congress. "The only thing they put pressure on was the grass," scoffs Frank. So what then is the congressman's directive for his fellow gays?
Lobby like the NRA.
"They don't have shoot-ins and rifle marches - they write and call. The NRA - person for person - they are extremely influential because they lobby that way." Joe Sudbay, who worked against the NRA in the 1990s, echoes Frank's sentiments, praising Wayne LaPierre, NRA's Chief Executive Officer, in the process: "So, yes, everyone needs to act more like the NRA members do when they feel like their rights are at risk. And, our leaders need to take a page from the NRA, too. The next time White House Deputy Chief of Staff sits our gay leaders down and breaks the bad news that the President is reneging on yet another promise, they should ask: What would Wayne do?"
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