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Wednesday, May 5, 2010

Sensational teen 'rape' case ended with the court finding the girl 'totally lacking in credibility'

Here is a belated update to one of the more troubling stories we've covered on this site, and our hunch about it was confirmed. (I had tried to find an update to this case earlier, as is our custom to track important cases, and wrote to the newspaper some time back to no avail. I was only was able to locate the update about it today in connection with my periodic search of outstanding issues -- searches are often difficult when the names of the accuser and accused are not printed.) 

This case is a chilling reminder of the vulnerability of young men to false rape claims, and a cautionary tale that men and boys falsely accused of rape are sometimes doubly victimized -- once by the false accuser, and again by overzealous prosecutors.  This was one of those cases that underscore the painful truth that sometimes law enforcement officials are willing to play Russian roulette with the lives of young men and boys accused of rape in the hope of possibly getting a conviction -- even when the evidence is incredible and even when justice dictates that the charges be dropped.

First, we'll recap what we previously reported, gleaned from multiple news reports about the case:

The Recap

On the night of December 7, 2007, a 13-year-old girl, who was intoxicated from vodka coolers, alleged she was sexually assaulted by two 17-year-old boys.

The alleged victim's girlfriend was present when the purported rape occurred and initially supported the alleged victim's story.  However, in June 2008, the girlfriend recanted. According to the one of the news reports, the girlfriend told police that the alleged victim "had been a willing participant in a threesome with the two older youths." In addition, the alleged victim "instructed her to make the teenage boys' behaviour sound more aggressive than it was and not to mention the fact that the girl shortly afterward had sex with a third boy, who was 14 years old."

The girlfriend "admitted that contrary to what she told [a police detective] in December 2007, she did not try to prevent her girlfriend [the alleged victim] from going with the older boys into another bedroom of the home, where the girls (both 13 at the time) were visiting the younger brother of one of the accused youths. . . . 'When it happened, they didn’t force her because if she really didn’t want to, I would not have let them (have sex with the girl),' the [girlfriend] told [the police detective] when she changed her story six months later. 'They [the 17-year-old boys] were encouraging her,' she told the detective. 'She never actually said no.' The [girlfriend] admitted that she lied the first time around about the aggression of the older boys and about how they were angry with her when she tried to stop the assault on her friend." The girlfriend also told police that the [alleged victim] subsequently had sex that night with a 14-year-old boy.

The alleged victim finally corroborated a portion of her girlfriend's story when she confessed to police that, indeed, she did have a third sexual episode that night with yet another teenage boy -- the 14-year-old -- and, guess what? She claimed the 14-year-old boy raped her, too.  (Is every teen boy in Canada a rapist?)

During the trial, one of the teen defendants took the stand and swore under oath that the alleged victim claimed she was 14 (the age of consent at the time) and that she was a willing participant to a threesome. According to the news story: "The girl, who had been drinking alcoholic coolers, was asked to show everyone her breasts, but she said not without seeing the boys' private parts, he told the court. The two 17-year-olds said they would show only her in another bedroom, he said. The accused said he then suggested the threesome. 'At first, it was an idea tossed out there as a complete joke,' he said. When the girl asked about it and he explained what was involved, she agreed, but only after she finished her drink, saying, 'I want to be more drunk for this,' he said. The girl appeared excited, but 'I didn't think she'd go for it,' he said. 'When she was up for it, I was shocked and surprised. Now, I had to go through with it.'"

The recantation of the victim's girlfriend created a gross inconsistency in evidence critical to the fate of the two teen boys. Why were the charges against them not dropped? Was the prosecutor banking on his little "victim" being a better actress than her girlfriend? And is that an appropriate way to mete out justice for any offense, much less a very serious offense that not only carries with it a significant punishment but a lifelong stigma?

On the witness stand, the detective handling the case was asked if he thought it was "unusual" that both the alleged victim and her girlfriend had initially failed to report the alleged victim's third sexual encounter on the night in question -- with the 14-year-old boy. Read his answer carefully: "A little bit," replied the officer.

A little bit.  Right.

The defendants' counsel asked the police officer if there was any reason he did not confront the alleged victim about her girlfriend's assertions that they had initially conspired to fabricate evidence and mislead the police. "I can't ... No," he said.

"I cant ... No."  Right.

According to one of the news articles: "The detective said the witness had pleaded to be released from her responsibility as a witness because she believed it would interfere with her summer vacation plans. 'The reason I didn't put stock in her story was because I believed she was a witness trying to get out of coming to court. I didn't believe it (the recantation) to be sincere.'"

So the police officer rejected out of hand the girlfriend's recantation (even though it was partially corroborated by the alleged victim herself), but he believed the uncorroborated musings of a tipsy 13-year-old, who somehow forgot to mention that she also had a sexual encounter shortly after the "rape" with yet another teenage boy, and then six months later, she somehow remembered it -- and, oh, yeah -- at that time she remembered that the 14-year-old boy also raped her.  Was she initially afraid to come forward to report the 14-year-old's "rape"? Hell, she'd already accused two other boys of rape, why would she be fearful about adding another notch to her bedpost?  Watch out, this girl might just get hot and accuse every teen boy in Canada of raping her -- and Canada will probably put them all on trial.

Our conclusion about the case from a July 2009 post

Back in July of 2009, we said this: "We must await the trial's outcome, but it's already a tragic miscarriage of justice. Based on the news accounts, the attitude of law enforcement seems to be, 'Hey, so what if the evidence is incredible or wildly inconsistent? Let's spin the wheel and maybe we'll get lucky and nail these kids' balls to the wall for a rape they may -- or may not -- have committed.'"

Now, the update

We were right. The court concluded the case in late January of this year.  One of the boys was fully acquitted while the other was given probation on a minor offense stemming from his failure to ask the girl's exact age before slipping his hand inside her jeans. That charge required a drawn out, sensational trial?

The court's take on the evidence fairly confirmed what we had gleaned from the news accounts: the judge "found the girl 'totally lacking in credibility.' He found she frequently misrepresented her age as being older on her MySpace page and 'held herself out to be older after the event in question on several occasions.' At least four witnesses testified the girl had represented herself at different times to be anywhere from 14 to 17 years of age. [The judge] accepted testimony from other teenaged witnesses that the girl bragged about her sexual adventures that night and was still 'giggling the next day when she spoke of it.'  The judge said she appeared more motivated to go to the police on hearing that rumours were circulating that she had engaged in anal sex -- when she had not -- and after receiving false threats via e-mail that the older boys were planning to post her sex video on YouTube."

She was still giggling about it the next day.  Amazing. Yet the prosecutor allowed two boys to be put through hell on the sole basis of her say so.

Sexual assault is too unspeakably serious a subject to play Russian roulette with the lives of two teenage boys. Prosecutors have a responsibility not to jack up rape convictions but to further the cause of justice. Trying two boys on a charge that could send them to prison for decades on the basis of witnesses who have proven to be untrustworthy about incredibly serious matters is not merely unjust, it is morally grotesque.

Here is the latest news report on this awful case -- which, of course, treats the girl in a sympathetic light:

Teen girl at centre of sex case still struggling: mom

The mother of a 13-year-old girl who was the focus of a sensational teen sex case says her daughter is still struggling to come to grips with the fallout from the ordeal.

She said her daughter changed schools to escape mean-spirited comments and gossip, is receiving intensive therapy from a team of counsellors and psychologists, has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress syndrome and takes medication for a sleep disorder and depression.

"Even though the names weren't printed in the newspaper, everybody (already) knew it was her. She tried to start her life over by going to a different school, but that didn't work out because word got out and different comments were being thrown at her ... She lost a lot of time at school."

The mother cannot be named because of a ban on publication of any information that would tend to identify her daughter. The girl had just turned 13 when she got drunk on fruit-flavoured vodka coolers on the night of Dec. 7, 2007, and was talked into three-way sex with two 17-year-old high school boys.

In November, Ontario Court Justice Richard Jennis acquitted one accused youth on sexual assault, forcible confinement and sexual interference. He found the second teenager not guilty of sexual assault and forcible confinement but convicted him of sexual interference of a child under 14.

That allegation involved initial sexual touching between him and the girl when he failed to ask her exact age before slipping his hand inside her jeans.

On Thursday, Jennis granted the second youth a conditional discharge, which means the teenager will not have a criminal record at the end of 14 months if he abides by the terms of his probation.

The trial heard the girl and a young female friend led the older boys to believe they were 14 and also in high school. In truth, they were 13 and the complainant was not of legal age to consent to any type of sexual activity. The girl's level of intoxication, her credibility as a witness and the question of whether the boys took all necessary steps to ascertain her actual age were key issues in the trial.

In giving reasons for his decision, Jennis said he found the girl "totally lacking in credibility." He found she frequently misrepresented her age as being older on her MySpace page and "held herself out to be older after the event in question on several occasions." At least four witnesses testified the girl had represented herself at different times to be anywhere from 14 to 17 years of age.

Jennis accepted testimony from other teenaged witnesses that the girl bragged about her sexual adventures that night and was still "giggling the next day when she spoke of it."

The judge said she appeared more motivated to go to the police on hearing that rumours were circulating that she had engaged in anal sex -- when she had not -- and after receiving false threats via e-mail that the older boys were planning to post her sex video on YouTube.

Defence lawyers Dean Paquette and Jeffrey Manishen argued that the girl's conduct following the alleged incident, including flirting with other older males, was inconsistent with her allegations of being traumatized.

The mother said her daughter was upset the judge did not believe her and not surprised when the youth who was convicted received what she and her family perceive as a slap on the hand. The mom said her daughter is mostly relieved that the whole ordeal -- including the trial and attendant publicity -- is finally over.

"I'll tell you, she used to be a very outgoing girl with lots of friends -- happy. From all that, she changed into a very sad girl with a sleeping disorder.

"She would sleep, sleep, sleep all day. She was depressed and lost a lot of friends."

Link: http://www.thespec.com/article/714874

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nice reporting.

AfOR said...

From TFA

"on the night of Dec. 7, 2007, and was talked into three-way sex with two 17-year-old high school boys."

Fuck you, mainstream media.

"on the night of Dec. 7, 2007, and consented to three-way sex with two 17-year-old high school boys"

That is the truth.

Archivist said...

AfOR, I noticed that, too.

This case was troubling because given the evidence, and given the circumstances -- three horny teens drinking and engaging in sex play -- it never should have seen the inside of a courtroom.

Anonymous said...

"and after receiving false threats via e-mail that the older boys were planning to post her sex video on YouTube."

There was a video?

AfOR said...

I have the "privilege" of knowing a newspaper editor.

I have of course discussed this subject, at some length.

Bottom line is this, these sorts of articles are in fact all some sort of sexual voyeurism / text porn / lady chatterly's lover, their sole purpose is to titillate, because titillation sells.

End of.

The editor themselves as a private individual expressed an attitude, and a cynicism, that left my own attitudes and cynicism for dust... then you start hearing all the non reported stuff.

BTW This is also why certain stories on the web version of newspaper websites have comments allowed, and certain stories do not have comments allowed.

ALL comments allowed stories are moderated, and the sole reasons to leave a comment IN is if it generates more comments.

Big Brother, the reality TV company, selected it's contestants on the basis of maximum conflict, and then called them "housemates".

The producer of the first 2 series freely admitted that the sole purpose of the programme was to get the viewer to watch the adverts in between segments... he was duly sacked prior to making the 3rd series.

Mainstream media are NEVER going to be on our side, because there is precisely zero titillation content available in accurate reporting of a false rape accusation.

Nancy Friday and her readers knew, everyone knew, that "fantasy rape" games feature heavily in the sexual fantasies of a significant proportion of males and females.

Hence these stories when reported are ALWAYS written to give them that titillating slant.

courting the MSM is a zero sum game, all they want to hear is "Amputee sex rape claim" or something equally sensational.

Thank god for the net.

Anonymous said...

"State Senate approves bill prompted by Richmond rape

Under the proposal, people who reasonably believe they have witnessed a murder, rape or lewd or lascivious act with a child under the age of 18 must notify police."

http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_15008850

I wonder if this will lead to more false rape accusations, after someone reports a teenager participating in a lascivious act, who then turns around and claims she was raped.

Anonymous said...

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/370ca92e15224c15badfb85a7f33b793/US--Rape_Conviction_Overturned/

Anonymous said...

Why do women often sound childish when writing about something as serious as rape?

http://www.lemondrop.com/2010/05/05/skinny-jeans-lead-to-acquittal-in-australian-rape-case/

Anonymous said...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/2958505/Jack-Tweed-Im-scared-to-have-sex.html

Anonymous said...

http://poststar.com/news/local/article_7cf72254-57c3-11df-b6bb-001cc4c03286.html

http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2010/05/04/news/doc4bdf6ca6dd43f641886686.txt

Anonymous said...

This has FRA written all over it:

http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2010/05/04/publicsafety/dpt-mckee050510.txt

Anonymous said...

"Woman admits making up abduction and rape story"

http://courtnews.co.nz/story.php?id=2718

"Man goes 'stir crazy' waiting for rape-accuser to clear his name"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3657562/Man-goes-stir-crazy-waiting-for-rape-accuser-to-clear-his-name

Anonymous said...

"PROVIDENCE, R.I. — A student who says he was falsely accused of rape by a Brown University classmate can move forward with his lawsuit against the Ivy League school, a federal judge ruled."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gzu21gW-kIsZoVfpzv2JsWTsPSKwD9FCV31G4

Anonymous said...

"Former Disney Cheetah Girl Kiely Williams has a message to girls about getting drunk and hooking up. On her YouTube page, she explains that she's trying to raise awareness about a "serious women’s health and safety issue" with her new single, "Spectacular." So how does she do it?

In the song, she sings of her adventures on an evening out: "I must have been on drugs, I hope he used a rubber." And although she winds up "Ass up, clothes off, broke off, dozed off," "He could get it again if he wanted, cause the sex was spectacular.""

http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/2010/04/08/kiely_williams_spectacular/index.html

Anonymous said...

Well, getting back to the merits of the case, it really is an important story because so much of the harm to the falsely accused stems from the discretion exercised by the prosecutor. And if he/she wants to nail your balls to the wall, there's nothing you can do.

Chef Snark said...

"Still struggling"

Fuck you, MSM.

If this was a just world, she WOULD be struggling. Struggling against being placed on the sex offenders register for life, only to lose of course.

Anonymous said...

Abusegate Alert: Senate Judiciary Committee schedules VAWA hearing for May 5 at 10 AM ET

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/15120

Anonymous said...

I know this is off topic, but I don't see a place to put an original post.
I'm interested in this site's take on the "Wyoming Craigslist Rape" case where one man posed as his ex-girlfriend and convinced another man to play out a rape fantasy that the woman, in reality, did not have.
I won't go into more detail as it's a fairly well-known case, but I haven't seen it commented on on this site.
Thoughts?

Archivist said...

Anon at 12:22: I'm founder of this site, so you can take this as our "official" position. I am sure others will have other views.

I don't know much about that case and would gladly study any information you'd like to present, but from what I know, I can say this: What happened to the woman, if indeed she was brutally raped, was awful. But I am not sure if the perpetrator of the actual act committed a criminal act.

First, as for the man who committed the physical sex act: it seems he was under a mistaken belief that the woman wanted to fulfill a rape fantasy. That understanding certainly might have been reasonable -- if he reasonably believed she wanted to be fake "raped," then charging him with a crime is unjust. But I'd have to know more. If he had reason to know that the ad was a fraud, then he's probably a rapist (unless in that jurisdiction, a purely subjective good faith belief is a sufficient defense).

As for the man who arranged it: while he's the "but for" cause of the woman's harm, was it foreseeable to him that someone would actually rape her? It certainly seems so -- given that he arranged for the other man to go there -- based on what I've read.

slwerner said...

Anonymous - "Well, getting back to the merits of the case, it really is an important story because so much of the harm to the falsely accused stems from the discretion exercised by the prosecutor. And if he/she wants to nail your balls to the wall, there's nothing you can do."

As the guy who's constantly sticking up for the Police and prosecutors, I once again have to eat some humble pie. The prosecutor definitely needed to drop the rape charges, as they were so very obviously dubious.

There are perhaps a number of reasons why that prosecutor may have ignored common sense and forged ahead.

First, there are some absolute zealots out there, who, as we often note, are inclined to believe any and all rape allegations they encounter. This prosecutor may have been so unbalanced in his/her prosecutorial “activism” so as to be unwilling to even consider the possibility of alternative explanation of events. I’m not aware of any examples of such activism being carried to such extremes, but I do know of some prosecutors who are somewhat predisposed towards making such mistakes in judgment. Typically, such prosecutors are either hard-core feminists (especially WRT sex-crimes against females) or your garden-variety, white-knighting, chivalrous, “Dudley Dooright”-sort, who imagine themselves to be all about “Law and Order”, but are just as likely to be aiming to protect the “honor” of woman and girls.

There’s also a possibility of a straight-up rogue, of the Nifong mold, who just want’s to win at all costs. (yes, there are a few of those around).

Yet, there is another possibility. I may have come down to a matter of the alleged victim’s family pushing for the prosecution to go forward. Reading the description of the mother, who STILL seems to believe her little angle was entirely innocent, and raped by 3 male predators (one of whom got a slap on the hand, in her words); she seems the type to have made demands that those evil boys be tried and punished for soiling her innocent child with booze and sex (willfully oblivious to her daughters enthusiastic participation with and bragging of both).

It’s actually not that uncommon for parents of alleged victims to become quite vindictive towards boys who have had (consensual) sex with their daughters, and become very aggressive and demanding on prosecutors to use legal means to punish those boys. These parents often care little about the facts of their daughters willing involvement, they just want their idea of “justice”.

As an example of such behavior, a couple of days ago I made mention of a case of rape of an under-aged girl by a relative, noting that it was a weak case (from the prosecutorial POV). That case would likely not have gone to trial but for the insistence of the girls father and other family members, who, when told of the very low probability of a conviction, never-the-less demanded that it go forward. After the acquittal (for what likely was an actual rape), all my wife could say to the girls (fuming) family was that she had warned them that this was the probable outcome.

There are times when, as they say, the prosecutor is not he one “driving the bus”. They don’t necessarily wish to pursue a case, especially not going to trial on a sure-fire loser. Yet, they also have a concern for the fall-out of disgruntled families going to the media with reports of the DA’s office refusing to prosecute. It’s unfortunate that DA’s allow themselves to be lead around by the nose by some of these vengeful parents, but, as is typical in this highly politicized PC world, sometimes they rather lose in court (a face the wrath of the judge) than risk losing bigger in the press.

[Short of allowable characters, to be continued]

slwerner said...

[Continuing]



As a remedy to the unnecessary harm and expense of such prosecutions demanded by alleged* victims and their families, I would propose a legal mechanism by which a prosecutor could inform concerned parties that a case is likely to result in an acquittal, and have them sign a document making them liable for the cost of continuing on in the event of that acquittal – allowing for the defendant to seek restitution directly from them. I believe this would stop a significant portion of the victim-driven prosecutions that now occur.

* as an aside, it’s fairly well known that Faisal Shahzad has admitted to his plans to set off a bomb in Times Square, even discussing his motive for doing so – yet, on the news this morning, he was still being referred to as the alleged terrorist/bomber, with what I perceived as a discernable emphasis on the word ”alleged” (just to be sure they’re PC). Sad that men, even when known to be innocent, are still referred to as the rapist by the very same media so concern with sensibilities of those who wish us harm.[/rant]

Archivist said...

sl, you don't have to eat humble pie. You never claim all prosecutors do it right. Some don't, as with any other profession. The problem is that the ones who don't can cause grave harm.

Anonymous said...

The girl in the article is a lying, sickening tramp who belongs in prison. The authorities should have been tipped off by the number of people she falsely accused, but apparently they weren't.

Even a thirteen year-old girl has at least some responsibility for her actions. She wasn't just "consenting" -- she arranged the sex, and lied about her age to get it!

AfOR said...

I'd not even heard of this "craigslist rape" case before, but, frankly I doesn't surprise me that sooner or later it would happen.

It appears though that the woman, her husband, and the other man were all together in the bedroom, and the two children were in the house.

It also appears that there was indeed an advert on the internet which the husband responded to, or posted.

Frankly we just don't know enough else to know what happened.

It could have been a rape, simply on the grounds that the wife was "up for it" in theory, but the guy who turned up was simply unacceptable to her... and there are of course several other possibilities.

This is one of those cases that highlights the extreme dangers facing all of those who are into the whole BDSM scene...

There is a woman who used to live around here who had a website, with rather graphic pictures (not sexual, just graphic) depicting herself and her particular "kink"

with me so far?

Well, her particular kink was to be flogged with an honest to god bullwhip, if you're brave, google slave aureus

the point is, you will NEVER find a jury of 12 people who will believe, even for a moment, that anyone could not merely consent, but desire, such a thing.

even if the defence showed this this woman's website, they would dismiss her as a one-off freak

so mainly this "craigslist" case to me highlights genuinely dangerous activity in this day and age, no good will come of it.

Having said that, we, us, we simply do not know, hopefully there will be a full investigation and a fair trial, and hopefully at least 10 of the jurors will accept that some people in the BDSM community do actually solicit this sort of act.

Toysoldier said...

Slwerner,

I do not think your proposal would be allowed. Our legal system is set up so that judges, district attorneys, prosecutors, and law enforcement can more or less never be held accountable for their mistakes or their deliberate subversion of justice. It is almost impossible to prove police misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, or judicial misconduct. Even in cases where it is obvious a person's rights were violated, very little will happen to judges, district attorneys, prosecutors, and law enforcement because allowing any sort of reprisal would open all those parties up for lawsuits.

Likewise, requiring the aggrieved parties to pay restitution should the accused get acquitted would only prevent actual victims from coming forward. More so, it is not the aggrieved that imprison the accused; the police, prosecutors, and judges do that. They should cover the cost.

Archivist said...

Toysoldier is correct: ". . . it is not the aggrieved that imprison the accused; the police, prosecutors, and judges do that." The crime of false reporting is a relatively minor offense for good reason: it want't intended to be used to allow a girl to just say the word and have young men imprisoned for any or no reason. For years, rape required corroborating evidence, but because of the feminist revolution, the rule was changed and now, the crime of rape can be charged based on nothing more than a girl's say so.

We've put the police and prosecutors in a terrible situation. We changed the rape laws to give females almost unlimited power over males without bothering to change the false reporting laws to punish the abuse of that power. And now they know they can abuse that power without consequence. There is something terribly wrong with a system that allows that.

Anonymous said...

Likewise, requiring the aggrieved parties to pay restitution should the accused get acquitted would only prevent actual victims from coming forward.
****

Bull crap.

Anonymous said...

Rape hysteria in its current form, is no longer about protecting women, in fact by enabling the proliferation of false rape accussations, it will hurt them in the long run when no-one believes rape stories anymore.
What rape hystria is doing is mainly "Empowering" the gender/Raunch community, and as history will show..they are basking in their immediate "Power"..but the longer term consequences are catching up with their "hysteria Power grab".
Keep in mind the Klu-Klux-Klan "empowered" themselves from the same type of Rape/hysteria tactics.

scott said...

The reason that the law enforcement give for no longer charging false rape accussers.."because it will deter real victims from coming forward" has no studies to show it is in any way based in truth or reality.

Anonymous said...

Re: Craigslist Rape cases.
AfOR, you're referring to a similar but unrelated case from the one I mentioned. The ex-boyfriend case took place in Casper, WY in Dec '09. The husband case took place in North Carolina in May '09.
I've posted links below to both cases, trying to get the most recent info available:
Ex-Boyfriend Posts Craigslist Ad:
1) http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/11/nation/la-na-rape-craigslist11-2010jan11
2) http://trib.com/news/local/article_edb73077-0bbc-5bc2-b9ea-b3fe5c9aedce.html
Husband Arranges Craigslist Rape on Wife:
http://cbs13.com/cbsnational/man.arranges.rape.2.1031114.html

In the WY case, the alleged attacker believed he was communicating with the actual woman prior to the assault.
In the NC case, the alleged attacker had no communication with the wife and spoke only to the husband.
I think those elements may be significant.

Pierce, since this hasn't been highlighted on your site previously and these cases do raise several important issues for both the rape survivor and FRA communities, would you do an article on them?

Anonymous said...

The comments saying FUCK YOU to the mainstream media....

I TOTALLY AGREE!

If it were not for the total bias in the MSM we would not be in the mess we are in now.

Anonymous said...

THIS IS THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA PERVERSION THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!
"Our hypothesis is that worthy victims will be featured prominently and dramatically, that they will be humanized, and that their victimization will receive the detail and context in story construction that will generate reader interest and sympathetic emotions. In contrast, unworthy victims will merit only slight detail, minimal humanization, and little context that will excite and enrage."

—E. S. Herman and N. Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent:1

Anonymous said...

Slwerner

The MSM saying ALLEGED terrorist and calling Big Ben's accuser the VICTIM is deliberate bias.

The media knows exactly what they are doing.

Afor

I agree with your comments on the media.

I got subjected to WAY to much MSM over the years against my will.

And I can tell you they are no friend of men and are totally bias.

And I agree thank god for the intra-nets!

At least the TRUTH can be spoken here!

What is really bad though is that probably 98% of all people get their news from the MSM and 97% believe every bit of their propaganda.

So how are we to change things if we can not be heard in the numbers that the MSM is?

Anonymous said...

To the mainstream media: FUCK YOU!

The mainstream media to us: Ha ha, we ALREADY fucked YOU!

Nick S said...

slwerner, I am sorry to have to take you on yet again, given how badly I got it wrong last time (admittedly through my own carelessness. Just as well I'm not a public prosecutor with the poor attention to detail I sometimes exhibit :-) ).

That said, I have to say your proposal to make alleged victims liable for the cost of continuing to pursue weak cases is quite preposterous and entirely incompatible with every principle on which the legal system is based. While the problems you raise are real, the solution you offer is untenable.

The problem is that in most legal systems (with few exceptions) the state has a monopoly on prosecuting crimes, and it is the job of the state to prosecute crime on behalf of the whole community and not just to serve the desires of alleged victims. The closest legal precedent to that which you are suggesting is that in many jurisdictions the state refunds the legal costs of the defendant if he is found not guilty.

One of the most obvious problems with this proposal is that it would allow alleged victims or their supporters who have deep pockets to continue to pursue a case against an innocent suspect. It would also create some situations where an actual victim is liable for costs in a case where there simply wasn't enough evidence to convict, though the accused was actually guilty.

I agree largely with your diagnosis of the problem here. The police and public prosecutors are often reluctant to dismiss weak or problematic cases because there is a great deal of public, media and political pressure to be seen to be sensitive to the demands of victims. I am sure a lot of DA's, police commissioners and others live in fear of having to front some hostile press conference, evening news, talkback radio or front-page headlines about how they are insensitive to the plight of victims, aren't doing enough, etc. etc.

The problem is that your solution is precisely in the wrong direction. It amounts to rolling over and letting the noisy victim advocates run the show to an even greater extent. Whereas the real solution is to put the noisy victim advocates back in their place. Easier said than done, I know. But that should be the goal.

The problem is not helped by the fact that in the United States public prosecutors and other offices are often directly elected. As I have said before, this is extremely foolish as it too often means decisions on prosecutions are based on political calculations rather than sound law.

Anonymous said...

You can't continue to allow the same prosecutor who charged innocent people with a crime to be the one to decide whether or not the liar gets off. Ninety nine times out of a hundred we know that the corrupt prosecutor will give the liar a get out of jail free card.

You need independent prosecutors who have no dog in the fight to make that decision -- prosecutors who WANT TO PUNISH LIARS.

AfOR said...

@ Nick S

"The problem is that in most legal systems (with few exceptions) the state has a monopoly on prosecuting crimes"

This is simply not true.

A writ filed by a private individual can be for almost any crime on the book, from cowboy builders right up to private prosecutions for slander, rape and murder.

The sentences if found guilty are by and large the same as if you were there because of the state prosecutor bringing the case against you.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/private_prosecutions/

Nick S said...

AfOR, it is my understanding that the British legal system is something of an exception to most in that the state does not have a monopoly on criminal prosecutions. Instead, there is still some residual rights for private individuals to prosecute those who break the law.

That is precisely why I added the disclaimer "with few exceptions". I am aware that there are some exceptions to the rule in a few legal systems.

slwerner said...

Nick S. - "slwerner, I am sorry to have to take you on yet again"

Noe worries,

My "idea" was merely a "trial balloon, little more than a though off the top of my head. I didn't take the time to to think it through. I was just musing about a way to make it clear when cases are pushed forward at the insistence of victims, and against the advice of the prosecutor.

It's nearly impossible to be successful in claiming malicious prosecution. My admittedly not well thought out instinct was that if those pushing unwarranted prosecutions could be documented, it might make it easier to file law suits aimed at making them pay for the cost of defending against that prosecution.

As it stands, certain people are essentially using the DA's office as "their" attorney, at tax payer expense, no less. I'm trying to come up with a workable way to de-couple the prosecutors oath to represent the "peoples" interest (like not dismissing cases unless there is clear and convincing evidence that no crime occurred), and the reality that it sometimes results in the "victims" (are, more typically, their families) driving the bus.

If any one else has realistic ideas, I certainly like to hear about them.