This is a lengthier than usual post, but an important one because it is a sort a microcosm of the false rape problem. An article in the May 11, 2010 Pendulum, the student newspaper of Elon University in North Carolina, was offensive to false rape victims and manifested attitudes that are misandric, backward, and dangerous to both the falsely accused and to actual rape victims.
Read it after the jump
Last February, an Elon University student was arrested for filing a false report, apparently involving sexual violence. Leigh Anne Royster, the Coordinator for Personal Health Programs and Community Well-Being at the University, doesn't think that report, or similar reports of false rape claims, should be "highly publicized."
"Creating a lot of energy and visibility around false reporting can certainly prevent people from reporting, so it's dangerous to do even though the facts of the story may be accurate and there may have been a false report. To highly publicize that, I think, makes students second-guess themselves."
The article continues: "[Royster] has been at Elon for nearly 24 years, and this is only the second time someone has been charged with filing a false report."
"'The federal percentage at which crimes are falsely reported is 2 percent," Royster said. 'Things like sexual violence, intimate partner violence, those sort of things have the same sort of rate ... as all other federal crime statistics like breaking and entering.'"
Rape Not A Problem at Elon
At the outset, it is well to note that Elon does not appear to be overrun with rapists. From 2006-2008, there was one report of an alleged forcible or non-forcible sex offense. Link: http://www.american-school-search.com/safety/elon-university. We do not know if that one report of an alleged rape was valid.
To put that number in perspective, during that same period of time, there were 76 burglaries at Elon. I cannot recall ever witnessing a "Take Back The Night" rally opposed to burglary, even though burglary is far more rampant than rape at Elon, and at every other college.
There Is No Evidence That Women Fail To Report Legitimate Rapes Due The Publicity Of False Rape Claims
Ms. Royster suggests that women presently are not reporting that they've been raped for fear that they will "second guess" themselves.
It is not clear what Ms. Royster intended by this, but if she meant to say that false rape reports tend to cause women to be more cautious about loosely accusing their male classmates of rape, no sane and rational person would believe such caution is in any sense undesirable. We respectfully suggest that if women are unsure if a rape occurred, it's because they are being taught wildly incorrect things about rape (see below: the discussion of Elon's Web site), not because some other woman was charged with lying about rape.
If, on the other hand, Ms. Royster meant to say that women are not reporting rape because they fear being charged with the crime of false reporting, there is no evidence for such an epiphany. While every false rape claim diminishes the credibility of every rape claimant, it is a colossal and absurd leap in logic to conclude that women fear being charged with false reporting merely because they report a legitimate rape. After all, purported fears of being charged with false rape reporting in no manner deter even false accusers from spinning their lies. What evidence suggests that actual rape victims are being deterred? And how many actual rape victims have been unjustly charged with false reporting? Virtually none.
The fact is, women are charged for false reporting in only the clearest of cases -- cases where the falsehoods are blatant. Ms. Royster herself said: "A false report arrest is made when there is significant evidence that a person has intentionally fabricated information . . . ." This is correct -- unlike other crimes, no charges are made without significant evidence. And even with overwhelming evidence, false reporting of rape often (perhaps usually) is not charged at all.
Refusing to Publicize False Rape Claims Does a Grave Disservice To The Falsely Accused, To Rape Victims, and To The Community
Ms. Royster's comments are disturbing and offensive to those of us who advocate for the falsely accused. By most, if not all, important measures, news coverage of rape and of false rape claims are already unbalanced and skewed in favor of the former. It is well to note that most false rape claims never make the news. The vast majority are not charged, much less reported. They are handled at the police level with the goal of disposing of them quietly and expeditiously. Moreover, when a report that a rape claim turned out to be false or unfounded does make the news, it is never given sensational coverage. When three University of Arkansas players were accused of an alleged rape incident at a fraternity, a local television station broke into the station's regular programming to provide a four-plus minute "breaking news" report about the accusation. Needless to say, when the prosecutor decided not to bring rape charges against them, there was no similar "breaking news" treatment.
There are several critical reasons why false rape claims need to be "highly publicized":
First, criminal sanctions serve many purposes, but one of the most important is public deterrence. Criminal charges are publicized precisely because this serves the salutary societal function of announcing to the community that the particular misconduct at issue won't be tolerated. How can we deter false rape reporting if we refuse to publicize it, or if we sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't happen? We can't. Ms. Royster's comments are morally grotesque because they suggest that the victimization of our sons should be ignored in favor of combating the victimization of our daughters. There is no reason why we shouldn't combat the victimization of both.
Second, when there's been an initial report of a rape, correcting it with equal news coverage that it was, in fact, false or unfounded, is crucial to help correct the reputational harm done to falsely accused males. (I say "help correct" because no amount of publicity can ever undo a public false rape claim.)
Third, correcting the initial report that a "rape" occurred with news that it was false or unfounded is crucial to the community. The initial report that a "rape" occurred often has the community in a panic, so setting the record straight is a paramount public interest.
Fourth, Ms. Royster's comments not only are offensive to the falsely accused, they do a grave disservice to actual rape victims, many of whom support our work at this site. Actual rape victims loathe false rape claims because they diminish the credibility of all rape victims. Calling out the false accusers and punishing them helps true rape victims because it signals that rape lies aren't tolerated, thus enhancing the credibility of rape victims. Rape victims are not well-served by rape advocates who address the false reporting problem by trying to hush it up. That tactic can only make the problem worse. As it is, too many young women already feel empowered to falsely cry "rape" to serve all manner of selfish motive, and nothing gives them pause not to do it. To suggest that we should do nothing about the false rape problem except to keep it quiet only gives those who may be predisposed to tell rape lies to lie more readily.
The implicit suggestion underlying Ms. Royster's comments is that false rape reporting does not need to be deterred because it is entirely too rare to be of any consequence.
The Two Percent Canard
Which leads us to Royster's recitation of the two percent canard, and her assertion that rape is not falsely reported any more than any other crime.
It is remarkable that we are forced to dispel this same argument, over and over and over. The two percent canard was long ago conclusively debunked, yet it is still repeated by sexual assault counselors. See, e.g., E. Greer, The Truth Behind Legal Dominance Feminism's 'Two Percent False Rape Claim' Figure, 33 Loyola of Los Angeles Law Review 947, a scholarly law review article that painstakingly traced the two percent canard to its baseless origin. See also, "Until Proven Innocent," the widely praised (praised even by the New York Times, which the book skewers, as well as almost every other major U.S. news source) and painstaking study of the Duke Lacrosse non-rape case. Authors Stuart Taylor and Professor KC Johnson explain that "[t]he standard assertion by feminists that only 2 percent" or sexual assault claims "are false, which traces to Susan Brownmiller's 1975 book 'Against Our Will,' is without empirical foundation and belied by a wealth of empirical data." (Page 374.)
As reported by "False Rape Allegations" by Eugene Kanin, Archives of Sexual Behavior Feb 1994 v23 n1 p81 (12), Professor Kanin’s major study of a mid-size Midwestern city over the course of nine years found that 41 percent of all rape claims were false. Kanin also studied the police records of two unnamed large state universities (without the use of polygraphs, I might add) and found that in three years, 50 percent of the 64 rapes reported to campus police were determined to be false.
In addition, a landmark Air Force study in 1985 studied 556 rape allegations. It found that 27% of the accusers recanted, and an independent evaluation revealed a false accusation rate of 60%. McDowell, Charles P., Ph.D. “False Allegations.” Forensic Science Digest, (publication of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations), Vol. 11, No. 4 (December 1985), p. 64.
Need further proof that the two percent canard is dead? Perhaps the leading feminist legal scholar recently acknowledged: ". . . the statistics on false rape accusation widely vary and 'as a scientific matter, the frequency of false rape complaints to police or other legal authorities remains unknown.'" A. Gruber, Rape, Feminism, and the War on Crime, 84 Wash. L. Rev. 581, 595-600 (November 2009) (citation omitted). (It is well to note that feminist scholars are often out in front of sexual assault assault counselors, so Ms. Royster should note the "official party line": the two percent canard is officially dead, and she needs to stop citing it.) Moreover, the UK's Stern Review recently refused to tie itself to any percentage: "The research that is available on false allegations gives a wide range of figures for how many there are . . . ." (Stern Review at 13.)
Nobody knows for certain what the percentage is, but every impartial, objective study ever conducted on the subject shows false rape claims are a serious problem. Sadly, the entire rape milieu has become so terribly gender-politicized (and paid sexual assault advocates only engender more division) that even good faith efforts to raise awareness about rape often end up denigrating the victimization of countless men, boys, and yes, even some women, by insisting that false accusations of rape are essentially a myth. That position is just not factual.
Elon's Twisted Notions of Rape: Stardust Radical Feminist Wishfulness
A quick scan of Elon's official web site suggests that, when it comes to rape, it may not be a hospitable place for males. (See these policies here: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/students/saa/consent.xhtml)
Here is how it defines "consent": "Consent (as it applies to sexual activity) is a verbal agreement by an individual to engage in a specific sexual activity. Other types of communication, such as body language or the absence of 'no' are not consent. One should assume that they have not received consent in the absence of a comprehensible, unambiguous, verbal, positive and enthusiastic statement of consent. . . . ."
Consent, of course, does not require words, enthusiastic or otherwise. We've been over that point countless times. Elon's definition is nothing more than stardust radical feminist wishfulness.
The Web site goes on: "If an individual . . . has consumed alcohol or drugs, or is in any other way impaired, she or he cannot give legal consent."
Again, not so. That is a very radical take on the subject. Under this twisted standard, even a drop of alcohol negates valid consent. If a woman has a drink, the man is a rapist.
And what can men do about rape? According to Elon's Web site, among other things: "Talk with men... about how it feels to be seen as a potential rapist . . . ." http://www.elon.edu/e-web/students/saa/whatmencando.xhtml
There you have it. I had thought that this sort of misandric caricature of males went out with Dworkin. But then again, I was unaware of Elon University's Web site.
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"Enthusiastic consent". Please! Give me strength!
A lot of things are done without enthusiastic consent. It doesn't make for a crime. Suppose you voted for a party or candidate you weren't enthusiastic about, but thought they were not as bad as the others. Well, there wasn't enthusiastic consent! The result is invalid, and charges of fraud and blackmail must be brought!
Suppose I work at a job I'm not enthusiastic about, but it's the best I can find. Well, no enthusiastic consent! Charges of enslavement and deprivation of liberty must be brought!
Come to think of it. I never gave enthusiastic consent for all that PC crap that was rammed down my throat when I went to university. It is still within the statute of limitations. I gonna find me a good lawyer.
If they want to keep quiet about false rape claims, this blog must be public enemy number one to them.
Nick is correct. I know a woman who never seems enthusiastic about ANYTHING. She could win a million dollars and she'd say, "That's nice." So sex with her means the is automatically a "rapist."
I can't imagine anything more likely to kill the mood than having to ask for explicit, verbal consent.
Many of the people who design such stupid guidelines must surely realize this. Their goal is likely to make life as difficult as possible for heterosexual guys trying to negotiate their way through these things.
The sad part of all this is that boys are being brainwashed into believing this nonsense, when it's a giant joke at their expense.
Excellent post.
"Creating a lot of energy and visibility around false reporting can certainly prevent people from reporting, so it's dangerous to do"
I've heard other feminists say that, but none of them seem to be able to explain how.
"Actual rape victims loathe false rape claims because they diminish the credibility of all rape victims."
That is true with two caveats. Firstly, rape victims may be less likely to recognize a false accusation as false. It's been my repeated observation that rape victims tend to believe that rape is more common than it is. Secondly, while women who were raped as adults might loathe false rape claims, it seems that women who were raped as children or young teenagers are more likely to make, repeat, promote, and support false rape accusations. Perhaps it has to do with their level of psychological development at the time the abuse occurred. Not to denigrate such women, but they often seem "stuck", speaking in little-girl voices, or exhibit other childlike or childish behaviors.
"I can't imagine anything more likely to kill the mood than having to ask for explicit, verbal consent."
Of course, a man can ask for explicit verbal consent, and receive it. And she can still accuse him of rape.
"The sad part of all this is that boys are being brainwashed into believing this nonsense, when it's a giant joke at their expense."
There are lots and lots of naive college boys who want to "do the right thing" by treating women with "respect" (as opposed to those "other" guys). I'm all for respect, but not the feminist-spoon-fed version that constructs layer upon layer of redtape, rules and regulations akin to a government bureaucracy, that make a guy jump through hoops just so he can make love.
And the entire burden is always on the male. The female is so entitled, she can just lay there, knowing the guy thinks she consents, but waiting to catch him for failing to fulfill one of his requirements on his checklist. Then she can cry "rape" and punish the guy for disrespecting a woman. And she and her sorority sisters can have a good laugh at his expense as he's being expelled and held in jail awaiting trial. It's empowering.
"Of course, a man can ask for explicit verbal consent, and receive it. And she can still accuse him of rape."
And at trial, if the guy truthfully testifies that he expressly asked if he could put his penis inside her, the jurors will look at each others with disbelief, because normal young men and women don't behave that way, so he'll come off as a liar. My guess is he's more likely to be convicted for following Elon's idiot rules than for just doing what everybody else does.
"Of course, a man can ask for explicit verbal consent, and receive it. And she can still accuse him of rape."
Or she can simply change her mind during intercourse, display the slightest resistance, and you are done anyway. And all that hard work bullet-proofing the contract will have been for nothing!
The Web site goes on: "If an individual . . . has consumed alcohol or drugs, or is in any other way impaired, she or he cannot give legal consent."
So if they have both been consuming alchol or drugs,neither can give consent, therefore it would be an instance of mutual rape,and both should be charged?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8680370.stm
Girl, eight, says 10-year-old boys 'did not rape her'
An eight-year-old girl alleged to have been sexually assaulted by two 10-year-olds has told the Old Bailey that the boys did not rape her.
She said she had lied to her mother about what happened because she had been "naughty" and was worried she would not get any sweets.
The girl was allegedly attacked in a field in west London in October 2009.
The boys, now aged 10 and 11, each deny two charges of rape and two charges of attempted rape of a child under 13.
In cross-examination by defence counsel, the girl admitted that she had voluntarily been playing with the boys and had pulled her own underwear down while the boys exposed themselves to her.
'Secluded spot'
Linda Strudwick, defending one of the boys, asked her: "Did you ever tell your mum it was not you but it was [the boys] who took your knickers down? You didn't want your mum to think you had been naughty?"
The girl, giving evidence from behind a screen, replied: "Yeah."
The judge, Mr Justice Saunders, asked what the girl had been worried about and she replied: "No sweets if it [sic] found out I had been naughty."
The judge asked her if she had been naughty when she was with the boys and the girl replied: "Just a tiny bit."
etc
"Girl, eight, says 10-year-old boys 'did not rape her'"
This story struck me as total bullshit as soon as I saw the headline a couple days ago.
Perhaps I'm just jaded, you might say.
But then, look at how right I am.
"This story struck me as total bullshit as soon as I saw the headline a couple days ago."
To clarify, the headline a couple days ago was along the lines of GIRL, 8, RAPED BY TWO BOYS, 10.
Judging by the headline alone, I figured it would be a short passage of time until this was proven to be total BS.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1278068/Wheelchair-bound-lawyer-control-arms-legs-charged-sex-harassment-grabbing-judges-buttocks.html
seen this one?
Girl, eight, says 10-year-old boys 'did not rape her'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8680370.stm
10 year old girl lies and says the boys 'forced her' to have sex - because she didn't want her mother to think she was 'naughty', because then she wouldn't get any sweets.
Routinely, adult women lie and say that a man or men 'forced her' to have sex - because she doesn't want her friends or family to think she has been 'naughty', because then she won't get to retain her false virtuous image.
Some women are just little girls in adult bodies, having never grown up at all. Still lying and crying over sweets.
Rape hysteria "Empowered" the Klu-Klux-Klan
Rape hysteria is now employed to "Empower" the Gender/Raunch community.
The Gender/Raunch culture and community have gained a disproportionate amount of power over campus politics and campus protocol by using faulty and iflamatory agitation propaganda to attack the main obstacle to their deviant adgenda..the non homosexual white male.
The GLBT community are using faulty and inflamatory rape hysteria agitation propaganda to "Empower" themselves.
Can any group "Empower" themselves by marching in Rape/Klan parades...or is it just the Gender/Raunch community that has the moral high ground to do so??
Why is she so afraid of the truth? Answer: because false rape accusations happen all the time.
What is really annoying me in that girl of 8 raped by two 10 year old boys case in Britain, is that the judge has told the girl she's done nothing wrong.
incredible.
no wonder females are getting away with this disgusting crime.
The story about the ten year old "rapists" couldn't wait, the story is too big, so I just gave it a separate post.
OT: Kagan: no matter what he says, she replies, "It's beautiful, it's beautiful. It's gorgeous."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100513/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2040
"It's beautiful, it's beautiful!"
These are cases I would really like to see posted and debated on some of the Rape Survivor sites. Not to create animosity, but to help stimulate the idea that both "sides" can work together on these issues without harming the work of the other.
I'm sure many of you will say it's naive thinking, but FRA does have some support in the "feminist" community and partnering with them could only benefit us all.
Anon at 7:54: thanks. I've been saying that for years.
I'm sure many of you will say it's naive thinking, but FRA does have some support in the "feminist" community and partnering with them could only benefit us all.
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I don't think that's true. I think that feminism inevitably involves a presumption of guilt when it comes to rape accusations. You're putting "feminist" in quotes, but there is indeed a single belief system called feminism, and there's precious little room for men in that system -- and none whatsoever for falsely accused men.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but so far I haven't been.
The problem is that the feminist position on rape isn't based on facts and reason. It's based on ideology. And there is no way to argue with an ideologue. Trying to prove the prevalence of false accusations to a feminist is like trying to prove evolution to a Christian fundamentalist. This blog has a "fossil record" a mile long, but it doesn't matter if evidence doesn't matter.
I read that article by Ashley and it doesn't even make logical sense. Now, how can you argue facts with someone who is completely irrational and has been brainwashed by feminist propaganda? Most of this feminist nonsense is based on the Dworkin types who in their paranoid man hatred and lesbianism just concocted these numbers out of thin air and these females were in fact mentally ill.
Men made a big mistake years ago by not simply silencing these lesbians and disrupting them any time they tried to speak in public because they all practise the BIG LIE tactic where if they say something enough times it comes to represent fact. Dworkin just made up this 2% false rape reporting figure. 98% of rape allegations are false and possibly 2 % may be true. And 1 in 4 females have be subjected to some sexual assault? The actual number is like 1 in 10,000. This Ashley then writes that violence in the general population is 6 per 1000. Ashley is apparently not too good at math because that's like 1/2 of 1% which is even lower than my already very low figures of 1-2%. Only lesbians have high rates in the 60% range.
"Trying to prove the prevalence of false accusations to a feminist is like trying to prove evolution to a Christian fundamentalist."
I agree. Actually, my goal in life is to infuriate the feminists, but to sway the people are don't walk around wearing gender lens. We do not try to sway feminists. They are beyond hope.
"Actually, my goal in life is to infuriate the feminists"
I think you left out the word "not".
Could Elon and the person who made the comment in question be the subjects of a truth intervention by the false rape strike force?
http://littlewhiterapelies.blogspot.com/
No, I'm pretty sure he meant that he wants to infuriate the feminists.
The problem with how some of you are viewing this is that, contrary to Anon at 11:30pm, there is no one singular kind of feminism. Like any belief system, it runs a continuum from idealogues through a moderate view all the way to many, as I said, who do agree with the FRA pov blended with other beliefs.
And the "feminist" viewpoint, and I put that in quotes to represent that it's not all one thing, is not that all alleged rapists are guilty, but that all who claim rape are deserving of support, at least initially, until the full story comes out. I am not being intentionally idiotic. Of course, there are many who profess from the stance that a person who says it makes it so and so the accused must be guilty. Again, though, that is one of many stances.
As Pierce has pointed out, it makes the supporters of fake rape victims SO much angrier and disappointed to find that someone they've invested belief and energy in turns out to be a liar.
For every story that's posted here about someone who's lied, there are people in their lives who initially believed and supported them.
That is one example of where we have allies, because they have seen it for themselves.
It doesn't mean they won't continue to support other rape victims, but their eyes will be a little more open.
Ours do too.
"And the "feminist" viewpoint, and I put that in quotes to represent that it's not all one thing, is not that all alleged rapists are guilty, but that all who claim rape are deserving of support . . . ."
The rape feminists, that is,feminists who advocate for rape, say that accusers must be BELIEVED. It is a central tenet of their belief system.
You CAN be supportive of one thing and still be mindful of other factors. It's possible.
And many rape advocates are capable of this.
We get upset when people whitewash the FRA pov as being all one thing. Let's be mindful enough not to do the same and dismiss any potential for additional allies in what we all agree is a minority cause.
I've studied feminism, worked alongside, even been accused of being one (which I take as a compliment), and, yet, I have never heard of the "rape feminist" subculture. I am not aware of any group identifying themselves that way. Rape advocates, maybe. Of which I am also one.
To react with anything but skepticism to an uncorroborated rape accusation leveled against a man with no criminal history is antithetical to everything we stand for.
And there is ONE FEMINISM -- the kind that claims that one in four women were raped, that one in six wives are raped by their husbands, etc. You are either onboard with the misandry or you aren't; it is silly to claim that you are distinct from the other feminazis.
I've noticed that feminists to spew this nonsense about how diverse they are; apparently it makes them feel more sophisticated than they really are.
Feminism is women lying about men, both as individuals and as a class, period.
. . . even been accused of being one (which I take as a compliment) . . . ."
Unfortunately, that term has become so loaded with ugly baggage -- precisely because it has come to mean so many things, INCLUDING Grade "A" misandry, that I wouldn't take it as a compliment. I know what you mean, I think, but being associated with that word today is too easily misconstrued.
The standard feminist tactic at this point is to insist that if you believe that women should vote, go to school, and work if they choose, that you are a feminist.
It's bullshit. Everybody believes those things these days, with few exceptions. It's all about lies and misandry. A Nazi has nothing to talk about if he can't talk about Jews, and modern feminists would go mute if they couldn't hurl false accusations against men -- both as individuals and as a class.
They need that pseudo-Marxist narrative, because without having men as the bad guys they would be forced to abandon their collectivist world view and accept responsibility for their own lives.
Pierce, care to help me out here?
Our cause is diminished if we cannot alter our worldview enough to say that there ARE women, and women who identify as feminists, who care about our cause. We have some on this very board. Admittedly, not many. But there will be fewer if we cannot accept those who struggle to accept both views, which, to me, are not separate views at all.
To support rape victims and the falsely accused are NOT mutually exclusive ideas.
And to knee-jerk rage about a stereotypical viewpoint is to close your own mind. Isn't this the opposite of what we ask of non-believing women and men; to at least consider the FRA pov?
"To react with anything but skepticism to an uncorroborated rape accusation leveled against a man with no criminal history is antithetical to everything we stand for."
I agree and am not asking you to react differently. I am asking that you understand that a person can be supportive and sympathetic to someone who states they have been through a terrible trauma AND view their story through a reasonable eye.
"And there is ONE FEMINISM -- the kind that claims that one in four women were raped, that one in six wives are raped by their husbands, etc. You are either onboard with the misandry or you aren't; it is silly to claim that you are distinct from the other feminazis."
And you are simply wrong here. Many people do not hold these statistics as gospel anymore. Or should I say many self-proclaimed feminists. Remember to separate the movement from the individuals involved who may not all hold to the party line.
And did you just call me a feminazi?! No one's ever called me that before, at least in my presence. Cool beyond words.
"Our cause is diminished if we cannot alter our worldview enough to say that there ARE women, and women who identify as feminists, who care about our cause."
Oh, absolutely. Let's be careful about labels people assign to themselves. Lots of people who, it turns out, are sympathetic to what we're doing here, started out solely sympathetic to the rape problem and some even called themselves "feminist." Christina Hoff Sommers is a "feminist" (an "equity feminist") and the falsely accused have no greater friend. I think the "feminist" term is problematic because it means so many things to so many people (but then again, so does "Republican" and "Democrat,") but we need to be very, very careful about dismissing someone just because of a label. And we need to avoid attacking a label. Let us please listen to what they're saying before we dismiss them. And remember, lots of people have had no exposure to our issue, and when they are exposed to it, many become sympathetic.
As for labels, Arlen Specter called himself a Republican for decades until last year. My understanding is, the voters are about to give him a new label: "retired."
As I recall, Arlen Specter voted against Kagan, now is voting for Kagan. He is also still looking for the other half of his face.
He also shot Kennedy. Just kidding -- we all know that Kennedy really died when he caught a glimpse of Arlen Specter's face in a hand mirror.
As for the feminists, I certainly HOPE that some of them are challenging those statistics. I sure haven't seen any examples of that. Many of them have adopted the tactic of getting all huffy when newspapers report false accusers being arrested; that seems to be the new fad.
Change is slow. It took the women's movement years to get the "rest of us", so to speak, to regard rape as an issue worth noticing.
Now, the pendulum has admittedly swung too far and the FRA movement is in the same place they were. We need to give others time to catch up to this view.
Rape was always "an issue worth noticing." It is a feminist myth to suggest otherwise.
A while back on this blog we read a Teddy Roosevelt speech, in which he claimed that rape was a crime worse than murder. That is hardly in keeping with that notion.
People used to care when they read about an innocent man being freed from prison, though. That also used to be an issue worth noticing; something that would cause female readers to burst into tears. No longer!
Rape hysteria has always been exploited by groups who want to "Empower" themselves.
The Klu-Klux-Klan marched in Unity against the Rape of white women, and many of these rape accusations were false and the Black man were hung from trees.
Now its the Neo Gender/Raunch deviants who are "Empowering" themselves with Rape hysteria, and Klanesq marches of unity.
And yet again many if not most Rape accusations are false, and men and boys get beaten to death in their sleep by baseball bats..and the Gender/Raunch perverts continue to "Empower" themselves with more faulty and inflamatory agitation propaganda.
But PRIDE come before the fall!!
"To react with anything but skepticism to an uncorroborated rape accusation leveled against a man with no criminal history is antithetical to everything we stand for."
One should be skeptical of uncorroborated rape accusation regardless of a man's criminal history.
Anon @7:08,
It is good to know it is all just a simple matter of the pendulum swinging too far.
That would help reassure some poor man who has spent decades of his life rotting in prison for a crime he never committed. Or someone whose son or brother was driven to suicide by a false allegation. 'Hey dude. Don't worry. I've found the problem. It's that damn swinging pendulum! We just need to recalibrate it slightly and you'll be fine!'. What a relief! Problem solved!
I look forward to reading your thesis on how Stalin's gulags were merely a case of 'the pendulum swinging too far against capitalism'.
The destruction of human rights, innocent lives and due process is a bit more serious to be dismissed as a mere 'pendulum swinging too far'.
BTW: hasn't Steven given notice that all commenters who post anonymously must sign their initials to keep track of who is posting what?
"Our cause is diminished if we cannot alter our worldview enough to say that there ARE women, and women who identify as feminists, who care about our cause."
I love the way you manage to put "women" and "feminists" in the same sentence like that. Of course there are plenty of women who care about our cause. But very few such women identify with that rancid movement you speak of. Please don't try to redeem a bankrupt ideology by lumping yourselves in with decent women.
"But there will be fewer if we cannot accept those who struggle to accept both views, which, to me, are not separate views at all.
To support rape victims and the falsely accused are NOT mutually exclusive ideas."
Talk about a non-sequiter! Of course there is no inconsistency between believing that rapists are scum and believing false accusers are scum, or supporting genuine rape victims and the falsely accused. The people who don't get this are the feminists who come here and make baseless claims about us being rape apologists.
"The standard feminist tactic at this point is to insist that if you believe that women should vote, go to school, and work if they choose, that you are a feminist."
I love this line of argument! It is akin to saying that because a Republican administration abolished slavery, anyone who opposes slavery today must vote Republican, and anyone who criticizes Republicans must support slavery!
If you criticize any group or movement, you must be opposed to something they may have supported 100 or 200 years ago! Yup, makes perfect sense.
Honestly, feminism seems designed to appeal solely to the braindead. Anyone with half a brain can surely work out their arguments are complete nonsense.
"To support rape victims and the falsely accused are NOT mutually exclusive ideas."
"Talk about a non-sequiter! Of course there is no inconsistency between believing that rapists are scum and believing false accusers are scum, or supporting genuine rape victims and the falsely accused. The people who don't get this are the feminists who come here and make baseless claims about us being rape apologists."
Actually, it was a sequiter, very much a sequiter since I was responding to someone here who said it.
Maybe I need to back off my position about finding common ground with feminists and instead try to first find it with the FRA community.
sigh...
Moreover.
It seems at Elon University, there was only one forcible rape in the period from 2006 to 2008. If there was one false allegation and the rape rate remained consistent throughout 2009, wouldn't that produce a high false allegation rate far beyond 2%? One that would reflect what Kanin found in his study on two Midwestern universities?
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