I have noticed an uptick, in the last few weeks, in the clamoring by feminists to tell us all that feminism is not what we think it is.
They are doing this on our home turf - on MRA blogs and websites, leading me to believe that they are getting a little concerned that the party might well and truly soon be all over.
They typically phrase their objections in the form of incredulous (and leading) questions - you guys don't really think this is what feminism is, do you? You don't actually think that feminists believe that, do you? What, you mean to tell me that the sky is actually blue? Get outta here!
When Professor Lionel Tiger debated the insufferable Amanda Hess regarding the legitimacy of Male Studies, he remarked that earnest feminism cannot provide the answers so desperately needed for the problems facing men today.
His use of this phrase got me thinking. It describes so perfectly the close encounters of the earnest kind that hives of counter-feminist activity are becoming increasingly prone to.
The pattern is usually the same. After the feigned disbelief that somebody actually thinks this way (i.e. contrary to the feminist herself), she reassures us that all we are doing is obsolete, because wouldn't you know it, feminists have got our backs anyway. They will solve all our problems - in fact, they already know what our problems are. Too much masculinity, for one thing! Too much rape culture! And so on.
You see, these feminists are so earnest - and not in the slightest bit arrogant - that they do not even require our input as to what problems we face, let alone on what might be the best way to fix them.
There was an Anonymous comment on the False Rape Society a day or so ago. I do not know who posted it - a regular poster, a falsely accused, an earnest feminist - it could be any of these, I simply don't know, and so I shall make no judgement on that poster.
The comment suggested that we spend less time bashing feminism, the implication being that this distracts from our true goal of advocating for the falsely accused. Again, I reserve judgement on the motivation of the person who posted this. I simply use it as an example. The person who posted this comment may well be a falsely accused who doesn't see the connection between feminist propaganda and the high rate of false accusations for sex crimes. It's a perfectly fair point of view, though I consider it incorrect. More to the point, it's exactly what earnest feminists would want us to do.
This is a war which will be won culturally, linguistically, semantically, and conceptually. Our friends who urge us to 'follow the money' are quite correct - there is money made out of false accusations. This is a fact that should never be ignored or pushed aside. But the questions I am prompted to ask are
- How did this come to be? and
- How do we change this?
Yes, you can follow the money on a particular case. You can exonerate somebody who has been dealt a great injustice, and you can get some corrupt official, who stood to gain from an innocent man's suffering, duly punished by the system. Don't get me wrong - I recommend this course of action!
But, as worthy as such an effort is, it would be a victory in only one case. It would be the entirety of one man's world; the most important thing to ever happen in his life. But on a larger scale, it would be a mere drop in a bucket. We also need to be concerned about how we reduce and stop false accusations more generally. One man's victory against a false rape claim is cause for celebration. But how many others have lost, and are currently in prison or awaiting trial?
This brings me back to the questions I raised above. The answer to how this came about is as simplistic or complicated as you like. Western assumptions of female virtue and male vice are a good place to start. We know that false accusations were happening long before feminism proper reared its vulgar head. The victims of the Salem Witch Trials were identified mostly by girls and young women. The same applies to the brutal racist lynchings in the Southern states of the USA in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Men carried out the violence, but they were prompted by women - of whom lies were simply not expected.
Always remember this point, because it is exactly the same today. In the words of Paul Elam, "feminism is not the enemy of masculinity. It is, rather, a twisted and corrupted exploitation of it." It's not Jessica Valenti and her band of Girl Scouts who come knocking down your door when someone makes a false rape claim - it's men. Big, strong men with guns, representing the state and its monopoly on violence.
How did we ever get to the point where so many are falsely accused and unjustly punished? The answer is feminism. Feminism, which built upon the chivalrous myths of male guilt and female innocence to its own advantage. Feminism, which continues to propagandise on these very myths today. Feminism, which explicitly declared that all men are violators and all women are victims. In its more lucid moments, the movement has coalesced around grotesque statements regarding all men as rapists. Or all men as worthless, or that men cannot be victims as men, and so on and on.
I very much doubt that there is a hateful sentiment left to be expressed about men, which has not already been expressed by the feminist sector.
The point of all this is that the battle has been fought culturally. And not just culturally, but linguistically, semantically and conceptually, a society's totality of which constitute its culture in crucial ways. I will post about this in more detail another time. All that is necessary to understand for now, is that we must fight back culturally, linguistically, semantically and conceptually, on top of our more individualised efforts to bring liars and their enablers to justice.
Feminism is the linchpin of a legal and cultural system which enables false rape accusations and of its continuation. The two are intertwined so as to be inseparable. We cannot get away from this fact. We cannot object to the high rate of false rape accusations without opposing feminism, and we cannot 'ease up' on feminism without 'easing up' on a system which feasts on the suffering of innocent men and boys.
Earnest feminism is the same old shit wrapped up in a shiny new package.
As an example, I draw your attention to a post which had all the feminist blogs abuzz in the recent past. I'm not going to link to it because I in no way promote these people, but if you search for Schrödinger's Rapist you'll probably find it.
This post is exemplary of earnest feminism in so many ways. I'm writing this all from memory, because I don't want to subject myself to actually reading such crap again - once was enough.
It begins with an invitation for men to come sit at the table. Courtesy is apparently extended - look, we know that you're not a rapist, but loads and loads of men are, but we know you're not, you'd never hurt a woman, and hey, you probably make toys for orphans and take care of sick animals. Now that we've got your attention, you unusual man, let us tell you exactly how you can not come across as a rapist.
Yes, one would think that, to be a rapist, one would have to commit the act of rape. Not so for feminists, who have repeatedly stretched the term to the point of absurdity and utter meaninglessness. Here is a pristine example. The not uncommon act of striking up friendly conversation with someone on a bus is apparently an indication that you are a rapist (albeit of the non-raping kind), unless you follow the precise social and conversational rules that some silly little girl has dreamed up.
Anyone with half a brain should have figured out the ruse by now. Schrödinger's Cat - on which this bizarre argument is based - may be dead or alive once it's inside the box. For those unfamiliar with this thought experiment, please see here.
The idea is that the cat may be dead, or it may be alive, and there is simply no way of knowing if you do not open the box. We do not call it Schrödinger's Dead Cat, nor do we call it Schrödinger's Alive Cat, for the simple reason that to do so destroys the thought experiment by positing a conclusion to the unanswerable question.
And so the linguistic trickery of Schrödinger's Rapist becomes clear. It is not Schrödinger's Man, or even Schrödinger's Potential Rapist. It is Schrödinger's Rapist. The conclusion is posited, just as surely as if we referred to Schrödinger's thought experiment as Schrödinger's Dead Cat. Although I am recalling the post in question from memory, I do recall one sentence as clear as day:
"You are Schrödinger's Rapist."
This is addressed, you will recall, to men explicitly identified in the opening paragraph as non-rapists. Would it not make as much sense to call them Schrödinger's Non-Rapists? How is this any less reasonable, since a conclusion is already being posited to a thought experiment which leaves it unknowable (until it is too late, anyway)?
"You are Schrödinger's Rapist" is confirmed, by these earnest feminists, about men whom they do not know, whom they - according to the rules of their own thought experiment - could not know as a rapist or a non-rapist. The litmus test for misandry is this. Would "Schrödinger's Non-Rapist" fit just as easily with the content or the tone of the article?
No, it would not. Even though it would fit equally well (in its illogic) with the thought experiment.
Removing the word "Schrödinger's" tells us all we need to know about where these earnest feminists stand regarding men's rights. To the men who make friendly conversation with women they don't yet know, they wish to say "you are a rapist."
It is rather disgusting that they would encourage women to fear men in this way. After all, if men didn't approach women they don't know, the human race would likely have died out millennia ago. But that's a story for another time.
Earnest feminism is every bit as bad as its other forms. Feminism has no solutions to the problems facing men, because feminism is either causing or exacerbating these problems. These issues are numerous and cover a much wider scope than the narrow focus of this post. But the issue of false accusations made against men is inextricably bound up with feminism. No matter what the earnest feminists say, they can offer no solutions, because their solutions must fit within the very paradigm that is causing the suffering.
The solutions we propose are very much outside the paradigm which posits men (even non-raping men, i.e. the vast majority) as rapists and women as eternal victims. This is one reason why we encounter such violently charged opposition from feminists at times. Their new tactic, apparently, is to try to reason with us earnestly, and to prove that they're not all that bad really.
Well, I'm sorry, but I can see through this facade. Feminism is the primary force pushing for more false rape accusations, among other injustices. It is not some separate, superstructural phenomenon existing irrelevantly and disconnectedly from a base legal system which assumes male guilt. Feminism has brought about, and is maintaining, the assumptions of male guilt and female innocence.
Consider their mantra: believe the victim! Yet this posits a solution to the question of who the victim even is, before any third party, much less the court of public opinion, could possibly know. It is the same kind of trickery as "Schrödinger's Rapist", earnest on the surface and hateful at its core.
Let them be as earnest as they please. I urge you to respond with derision, sarcasm, and mocking contempt.
- Snark
35 comments:
In my experience, you cannot convince anyone who does not already have an open mind.
"birds of a feather" etc.
My only verbal message to feminists is this;
"FUCK YOU!"
My only actual message to feminists is going to be to hold up my own justice and the cost paid by a couple of individual members of the wider feminist sisterhood, and say "You're in the pending tray."
I don't want equality, not any more.
I want a return to patrician law, but I'll settle for something else, like sharia law.
THEN mebbe we can work on that whole equality thing again.
Another common tactic is to accuse MRAs of painting with a broad brush -- "Feminist aren't all alike -- therefore you can't criticize feminism as you could if it were just one thing!" It's nonsense.
A host of problems -- false rape accusations, unequal rights in divorce and reproduction, double standards when it comes to sexual behavior, etc -- are all related to the pitifully low status of men in our society. As we all know, the cause of this is feminism. And since a feminist point of view begins and ends with the assumption that women -- and not men -- are disadvantaged, feminism cannot provide a solution to these problems.
They claim to believe that we are secretly the ones with the power, but we aren't. Their world view is a self-serving fantasy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/10121931.stm
I want a return to patrician law, but I'll settle for something else, like sharia law.
THEN mebbe we can work on that whole equality thing again.
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Speaking for myself, I would never want to live in Saudi America.
I would like to live in a society in which a man has a rock hard presumption of innocence and is fully equal to a woman in a court of law, and in a society in which the norm is for people to live in traditional patriarchal households ("patriarchal" meaning "the man is more than a door mat.").
I would like for men to be the leaders of our society again, not just whipping dogs for the feminist experimenters and their bolted neck, 800 lbs. gorilla of a legal system.
And if the feminist want to prove their sincerity -- ANY feminists -- they can do that very easily, by calling for felony charges against Crystal Mangum, Ashley Todd, Danmell Ndonye and other false rape accusers, and by condemning malicious lies such as "1 in 4 women are raped, and 1 in 6 wives are raped by their husbands."
But they won't do that.
And those lies about men are not less insidious than the lies the Nazis told about the Jews, incidentally.
We are all the victims of four decades of defamation and brainwashing.
Maybe what we need is an anti-defamation league for men -- ALL men.
"And those lies about men are not less insidious than the lies the Nazis told about the Jews, incidentally."
They are very often exactly the same lies.
Lets simplify feminism for anyone that still is not clear on what it's all about.
Special treatment for women and no responsibility for anything...and making sure men have zero rights.
"I urge you to respond with derision, sarcasm, and mocking contempt."
I would prefer to just ignore them, as least as far as internet arguments are concerned. It's a complete waste of time and energy, because it's impossible to convince them of anything. There could be as many as several thousand documented examples of false rape accusations on this site, and feminists will still sit there and tell you that women never lie about rape. There is no point in trying to reason with people who are unreasonable. As the saying goes, "Never argue with a fool because people will not be able to tell the difference".
I just went and read "Schrödinger's Rapist". And while her exact position is unknown, there is a small but non-zero chance that its author is not a complete idiot.
Small correction, then:
I urge you to respond with derision, sarcasm, and mocking contempt; or just ignore them.
And by the way, Chef, you are a terrific writer.
Arguing with feminists can be a useful exercise, because we need to keep our chops well-oiled, and because most of their arguments are so stupid and irrational that it's very hard to lose the argument.
Reaching out to feminists, on the other hand, is an utter waste.
It is the mission of feminism to unshackle women so they can express their femininity in whatever manner they desire, and to shackle men so they can express their masculinity only in the manner feminists approve.
Chef, if I may elaborate on some of the points you make:
Interweb feminism has created many useful devices for itself to silence criticism. One of their favorites is:
"What about the menz??"
Feminism generally refuses to acknowledge that many of the issues they discuss also affect men (even profoundly so) and do not exist in a vacuum. When anyone even casually points this out or suggests a more inclusive angle to the discussion (aka, not purely gynocentric) they are immediately silenced:
"Oh mah GAWDESS. What about the MENZ?? Why does errything have to be about teh dudez?? Pfft. %&*@%^"
Many of them have stand-by blog posts explaining how wildly inappropriate it is to even suggest such a concept. These posts always conclude something along the lines of:
"It is not women's responsibility to create spaces for men to discuss men's issues."
Fair enough. But, alas, when men do venture out and create spaces to discuss said issues they are immediately met with another favorite silencing tactic of feminists:
"You are/your blog is/your movement is ANTI-FEMINIST!!"
Which is nearly always nothing more than a means of ending discussions and shielding themselves from any and all criticism, even by fellow feminists!
Systematic portrayal of all men as violent, oppressive rapists is profoundly hateful and harmful and this will continue to be pointed out in a more and more vocal manner until it ends, regardless of the use of cheap silencing tactics.
"What about the menz???" is a perfectly legitimate question for us to ask, just as it is perfectly legitimate for us to be anti-feminist. It is very hard to be both a feminist and a human being these days.
To anon above me.
That is the first time in all of recorded history that the words feminist and human being have ever collided in the same sentence!
Archivist, your quote at 7:24 is bloody perfect, I may have to use it sometime
No amount of feminism or chivalry or socialism or capitalism or patriarchy will ever alter one fundamental thing.
Men are, and have always been, the whipping boys of any human culture.
There is no feminism. The label has been attached to so many disparate ideologies that it has lost any meaning that it may have ever had. It, "feminism", is merely a feelgood label appropriated by any self serving idealog or puritan or, even, bigot who can spin their verbiage just so.
gwallan, so true regarding how the term "feminism" has lost any discernible meaning. Just look at the massive amount of infighting amongst self-described feminists!
I've even seen the ludicrous argument that no one should say who is or isn't a feminist, just who is or isn't a real feminist or a good or bad feminist! Or a dreaded anti-feminist. Adding descriptors to an empty term creates an empty phrase, though, amirite?
My all time favorite was when after arguing something related to prostitution I was rebutted with "well, yeah, if you follow things to their logical conclusions." Now, unfortunately my inferior male brain only knows how to argue with logic! But, wouldn't you know, in radical feminist circles 'logic' is a patriarchal male construct and therefore not to be trusted!
*Head explodes* Really, you just cannot win with these people!
"It is the mission of feminism to unshackle women so they can express their femininity in whatever manner they desire, and to shackle men so they can express their masculinity only in the manner feminists approve."
This is why the whole notion of 'women's liberation' has always been such a big joke. Women, in general, are not the freedom-loving gender.
Women are fairly consistently more likely than men to favor increased government regulation, control and social engineering in most areas of life. That was the case in the days of alcohol prohibition, criminalizing prostitution etc. And it is still largely the case today.
It turns out that 'women's liberation' means that women are 'liberated' to enslave men even further! Boom boom! Do we all get the joke now? It was a piece of Orwellian double-speak.
Anonymous said...
"What about the menz???" is a perfectly legitimate question for us to ask, just as it is perfectly legitimate for us to be anti-feminist. It is very hard to be both a feminist and a human being these days.
May 18, 2010 8:54:00 PM
"perfectly legitimate question for us to ask, just as it is perfectly legitimate for us to be anti-feminist." I like being an agent of counter-feminist change in training.
Anonymous, addressing AfOR’s luke-warm welcoming of Shria – ”Speaking for myself, I would never want to live in Saudi America.”
I would like to live in a society in which a man has a rock hard presumption of innocence and is fully equal to a woman in a court of law, and in a society in which the norm is for people to live in traditional patriarchal households ("patriarchal" meaning "the man is more than a door mat.").”
I believe most men in the Anglosphere feel the same as you, but, let me propose this to you:
If we cease voicing our opposition to the implementation of Sharia Law, we are, in effect, sending a message to feminists that we are no longer willing to be the Chivalrous protectors of women and their shenanigans. Conversely, if we are outspoken against Sharia, we signal to women that we would rather have the status quo (in which modern women have unparalleled power to misbehave) than a system of strict enforcement of behaviors (which hits men every bit as hard).
I see feigning a welcome of Sharia as a “bargaining chip” with women. If they’d agree to reign in their genders excesses, then we could see renewing our opposition to Sharia. If they are unwilling to have even the most basic controls in place, then we can counter by saying that we then welcome Sharia, and let the chips fall where they may.
The point is that for most men, the imposition of Sharia Law would be no more repressive than what they stand to receive from the current oppression of men via VAWA, work-place one-way sexual harassment rules, threats of false allegations (back by the force of LE and the media), the (Anti-)Family Courts, selective restriction from access to educational and employment opportunities, etc.,etc.,etc…
For the average guy, who isn’t raping nor committing adultery, nor otherwise engages in “immoral” activities, Sharia Law represent little, if any, additional threat than do our modern “enlighten” laws. Now, for the women of today, it’s a different story. They’d find themselves held to equal standards (Oh, the Horror!).
I’m certainly not advocating for Sharia, but I’m suggesting that we remain silent about our opposition – if only to give the gals something to think about.
"The point is that for most men, the imposition of Sharia Law would be no more repressive than what they stand to receive"
This is a very good point. We've lost so much that we stand to lose little more under e.g. Sharia Law.
Women, on the other hand ... it's a long way to fall.
@ slwerner
exactly, I would not choose to live under sharia law above all other options, but I would choose it in a heartbeat over the status quo.
Turn around 3 times, saying each time "I divorce thee"
There is your divorce, bye bye alimony, palimony, child support, etc etc etc.
es bitch, walk three steps behind me, and carry your own fucking bags.
So yes, it makes a *great* negotiating position, mainly because it is not a distant and remote impossibility.
Don't want Sharia winninz?
No problem, roll back the rules to 1950.
It's called negotiating from a position of strength.
Call it patriarchy if you like, fuck it, we're all being hung for it, we might as well actually do it.
"Call it patriarchy if you like, fuck it, we're all being hung for it, we might as well actually do it."
Well, indeed.
As I have written before, the precise purpose of feminism is that men can NEVER BE RIGHT. That is, no matter what they do, their actions or motivations can NEVER be morally sound.
That being so, we should all be free to be as wrong as we like in whatever way we like.
I’m certainly not advocating for Sharia, but I’m suggesting that we remain silent about our opposition – if only to give the gals something to think about.
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But here's the thing: I don't want to undermine the legitimacy of what we're doing. The "threat" of Sharia law is nothing but a feminist straw man, so why enable them by talking about Sharia law as a legitimate possibility?
I want society to be more patriarchal, quite frankly; but that won't involve all women wearing veils in public, or not voting, or being barred from schooling or employment. When feminists suggest that it will, we should refute their claims.
And I don't think that anything really drastic needs to happen in order for us to return to a more patriarchal, civil libertarian society. Men are still barely interested in their issues -- just imagine how things will change once they've woken up.
Sharia law is neither a straw man, nor anything to do with feminists, except their worst nightmares.
Sharia law will actually gives women most if not all of the "protections" and "rights" that the feminists are claiming, trouble is, with "rights" come something called "responsibility"
THAT is what feminists hate about sharia law, not the guaranteed right not to be beaten, not the guaranteed right to divorce, not the guaranteed dowry, etc etc etc, but the guaranteed "if you do get divorced you cannot remarry for 4 months and 10 days, to ensure you are not pregnant with your soon to be ex husband's child.
Please learn about Sharia law before you diss it, it really isn't that different from western law.
Should I learn about Sharia law before promoting it? Should I learn about Sharia law before I play into the hands of feminist propagandists by allowing them to associate the MRA movement with it?
Patriarchy = male power of any kind, whether greater than, equal to, or less than equivalent female power; whether legitimately or illegitimately acquired.
This includes the power of males to self-identify, and to be agents in their own rights. That is, patriarchy equals male identity plus male agency.
This is what feminists mean when they talk about 'patriarchy' - not JUST some state of affairs where a man beats his subordinate wife.
What they mean, what they seek to destroy, is male power OF ANY KIND, as male power OF ANY KIND is seen as inherently unjustified.
On the flip side, constraints on female power OF ANY KIND are seen as inherently unjustified.
As Pierce remarked, feminism is about allowing women to express their femininity in any and every way they please (recklessly and without regard to the consequences to others), while also enabling women to delimit the ways in which men may express their masculinity (which will, at its logical conclusion, be zero).
For starters, a movement (feminism) which by its very name is conceived so as to alienate men cannot in any logical scenario have men's best interests in mind.
However, putting that aside, there remains one other simple truth: once any political movement or banner with which you associate begins to be associated with any kind of pattern of death, atrocity, etc. there eventually comes a point where you get past all reform/apologism/etc., and you SIMPLY HAVE TO FUCKING GET OUT!!!! REGARDLESS OF HOW WONDERFUL AND NOBLE IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING!!!
It's like Nazism. The Swastika symbol was originally a symbol of friendship. And suppose there were some well-meaning Nazis at the start? Well?! Looking back at all the murder and torture that has been committed under that banner, would it even matter any more what anyone had intended it to be at the start? If you walk around waving a Swastika and saying you want to be everyone's friend, are you going to make any friends? NO! You would just be rubbing salt into old emotional wounds, and would also be asking to get your clock cleaned pretty fucking soon!
Feminists, merely by being feminists, merely by brandishing an extra X chromosome as some kind of moral claim, have completely missed the boat on morality or ethics of any kind. Now, in being 'earnest,' they are just riding a sinking ship down, all the while wailingly insisting that everything's okay because the ship wasn't sinking in the blueprints.
Any totalitarian will tell you that what matters is the envisioned utopia, not the horrific things that are done in the name of achieving it. But utopia never comes -- only more evil.
Snark... you barstard... you utter, utter barstard..... I had planned to have a quiet evening having my private parts being smeared in dog food, then unleashing the rabid rottweiller I've had chained up and not fed for three days, while jabbing my eyes with a pair of scissors... and all the while Copa Cabana is on permanent loop on the headphones.... but no. You made me google "Schrödinger's Rapist".
Barstard.
Feminism: the new fascism. It created the "rape culture" we live in, likewise the domestic violence culture... these women created the "sex war", and they are most earnest, I am sure, but... every time you encounter a feminist and you mention Dworkin, et al, and they say "but we are not all like that"... I wonder that during the 1930s were there not Germans who became Nazi party members... who would say much the same thing? (ie pro-German, not necessarily anti-Jew, but willing to turn a bling eye for the greater good....)
Many people voted for the Nazis for various reasons, but I think it would have been pretty hard to be a Nazi Party member in the 1930's without also being a virulent anti-semite.
It is quite amusing that they do not even realize how they are being played for fools.
I cannot form an opinion of the original poster, but the hordes of lambs that posted after her seem to be the mindless drones that bear the brunt of the fruit they have sown.
Let me be clear on what I mean: their statistics, whether 1-in-3 or 1-in-6, are designed to frighten women and break the strongest bond in all humans: love, companionship, trust. Coincidentally, they have another, unforeseen problem for the women.
First of all, that statistic somehow means that women, everywhere in North America are being the victim of a crime with a frequency of 25.000 times that of Detroit. I think that's the right number, I haven't rechecked in a while. Either way, something of that magnitude.
Secondly, it means that every single woman has a rapist in her *most* immediate family. Father, brother, son, boyfriend, husband. Every, single, one.
Third, it means that 50 million women in the United States are walking around raped, 62 million in US/Canada, and 82 million in US/Can/Mex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
Two easy to find statistics. I cannot verify their veracity, but the numbers are staggeringly low given the "rape culture" we live in. I also don't know why Canada has a much higher rape/capita than the US OR mexico.
Ok, now why is this unintentionally dangerous to women?
Because rapists aren't *men* per se, they are *criminals*. That is a very important distinction. Criminals prey on the weak, the scared, the easily subdued, the easy targets/marks. A woman that believes that every THIRD man is a rapist will walk around scared, worried, and the criminals will pick up on that.
No rapist, or any criminal, short of the insane or professionals, will want to pick on a strong woman (or man), whether it's because she's a female Bruce Lee, has a gun, or looks like she will struggle, fight and not go down easily.
They want something easy, and that makes the women that believe that crap more likely to be assaulted. It's a nice cycle they didn't intend.
Oh, and yes, there is no numbers to prove that feminists are raped more often than non-feminists (although it certainly seems so), but the proof for my hypothesis can easily be deduced from any book on war written by anyone from Sun-Tzu to the modern generals.
Attack where the enemy is weak.
Fake weakness to ensnare the enemy into a trap.
-razvan
(second post, forgot to sign it)
"the clamoring by feminists to tell us all that feminism is not what we think it is."
Their actions, agendas, metanarratives, etc. have spoken louder than their words.
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