Friday, April 9, 2010

Report: Ben Roethlisberger won't be charged with a crime

See here.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is really sick is that she can do this much damage to Big Ben and just remain anonymous.

I had a few questions I wondered.

Since he was not charged can the media name her now?

And if she files a civil suit can she be named?

Anonymous said...

Now for God's sake, I hope he stays away from public bathrooms!

This decision is entirely appropriate if the evidence isn't there. And I'm not saying anything about accuser #2 either way at this point.

Anonymous said...

YES!

I hope that Ben finds some peace and can concentrate on his career and can get on with his life.

Chef Snark said...

Nice.

Chef Snark said...

Remember the woman who got two male friends to torture and sodomise an innocent man?

It just happened all over again. This time, the victim died.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264883/Man-26-tortured-death-asking-young-mother-date.html

The female ringleader, and root of the incident, gets nine years for MANSLAUGHTER, while the two men are jailed for twenty-three years on charges of MURDER.

I applaud the sentences the men received, and I do hope they serve them in their entirety (perhaps unlikely).

But the woman? She will be out on the streets again in no time, manipulating male muscle to abuse others once again.

It's so easy: all a woman has to do is say "he upset me," and there will be no end of men she can exploit into harming, abusing and murdering another.

What did the victim in this case do?

He talked to her.

That's it.

For that, he was brutally beaten and (one can assume from the article), sodomised until he suffered massive internal organ failure and died.

All on her say-so.

Chef Snark said...

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/04/10/studies-show-increased-likelihood-for-mras-to-be-pansies/

With 'friends' like these, who needs feminists?

A bunch of lies written about FRS from someone supposedly sympathetic to men's rights, but who is doing nothing but create discord.

Apparently, believing that false accusations against women are bad is misandry.

He treats false accusations against women in the same way that feminists treat false accusations against men, i.e. proclaiming that they don't really happen. Despite all the evidence to the contrary as presented here.

Archivist said...

Snark, I will have lots more to say about Jay on this site.

Archivist said...

Jay, write to me -- if you have the balls.

Chef Snark said...

Archivist,

You're very likely pissed at the moment - I know I definitely would be if someone wrote outright lies about my website and tried to create discord between me and others.

But I really think our best option now, is not to goad him into any further conflict.

I've said my piece at The Spearhead. Your piece will hopefully soon be posted. I have to wonder if, once we've said our pieces, it's best to just ignore this.

Getting into conflicts with others (ostensibly) supportive of the MRM (or whatever you want to call it) is completely counter-productive. We achieve nothing by fighting each other, we do much better by fighting our actual enemies.

This was what I meant when I said with friends like these, who needs feminists.

Our actual enemies do not include Jay Hammers, as silly and counter-productive as his post was. It's best that we distance ourselves from this. We should be above infighting, and shouldn't need to justify ourselves to anyone who attempts to provoke it.

Chef Snark said...

Seriously though, going after the FRS is just plain fucking stupid, what the fuck was he thinking.

All right, now I'm done.

Archivist said...

Snark, if you knew me, you'd understand I am not just pissed at the moment. I go through life in a state of war, perpetually pissed..

I have an awful story about a woman who just went through the sort of thing we write about all the time here.

AfOR said...

I posted a comment, and while I was typing a comment was posted from archivist.

Can't say I'm surprised, not when you've been exposed to "male rights activists" as long as I have, they're the same as female rights activists and animal rights activists etc.

Might be fun to see if the likes of Globalman / Trollking / Mgtow etc feel that they have just been labelled pansies... lol

AfOR said...

"Snark, if you knew me, you'd understand I am not just pissed at the moment. I go through life in a state of war, perpetually pissed.."

Y'know, you just reminded me, I can remember someone saying to my grandad that so and so was full of piss and vinegar, and grandad said "that's called character, boy"

Anonymous said...

I'm a guy and I wanted to say I have no problem at all with Women being included in the falsely accused.

I think it is the right thing to do.

I know it is pretty rare for Women to be falsely accused but even if it is IMO they still deserve to have someone to turn to.

I hate false accusers and I don't care if the victim is male or female or if the false accuser is male or female.

AfOR said...

@ Anon @ 9;54

Yeah, it more like "I fucking hate fucking liars." which is a non-sexual statement, it applies to all, all ages, all sexes, all professions.

just so happens that lies about sex crimes carry a disproportionate amount of weight, but not the corollary penalties...

A FRA lie carries less penalty than a Fraud / embezzlement lie.

Anonymous said...

Also on men's news daily they DO censor comments.

I left some very supportive comments on that site only to have them not even posted.

That was it for me visiting that site.

If that is what they think of the people who read and support their site well I will go elsewhere.

Archivist said...

I include women for a reason. First, it's factual. Although very few women are falsely accused, matriarchy hurts women, too -- and when a woman is falsely accused, she is thrown under the bus by the same forces that insist men be thrown under the bus. They gladly sacrifice the few women falsely accused so that they can be "consistent" and insist that any rape claim must be believed. I will post one such terrible story this weekend from a woman who wrote to us this week.

Second, women are allied with us in this fight. Most of my email comes from women who hate what is happening to men. And the rape victims who've written to me feel the same way -- they also add that the liars hurt real rape victims, too.

So Jay and his ilk can go to hell. We're never going to get anywhere preaching to Jay and choir.

Anonymous said...

The root of the perversion, lies in the current protocol perversion of our legal system. It is hard for most folks to understand this, but i will continue saying it.
Law enforcement are NOW cashing in on male arrests from the VAWA act, and cannot cash in on female arrest statistics.
This dynamic is leading to perversions of justice where innocent men/ boys are being arrested, and violent drug addicted women are being fostered and enabled.
This dynamic is leading to a violent women having children to feed into the perpetual underclass of uneducated easilly exploited young males..The "American matriarchal underclass"

Anonymous said...

Cross-posting a comment I left at The-Spearhead in response to:

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/04/10/studies-show-increased-likelihood-for-mras-to-be-pansies/

"I am a regular poster at FRS and a falsely accused man. While you are correct that the majority of accusations are from women against men, women do get accused too. As such, FRS does not discriminate based on attributes of individuals, we only care if they have had false accusations made against them. However rare it may be, women have in fact been falsely accused of rape or sexual assault. Women who are teachers and caregivers have been accused of sexual assault of their students and charges. Some are innocent. It rarely makes the press, or if it does, it is given uneven coverage due to the cultural double standards that exist. It is the same cultural double standards that enable women to make false accusations that allow men and boys to be falsely accused, arrested, and imprisoned. So, it is not just a male issue, it is a human rights issue. I wouldn’t wish false accusations on my worst enemy: man, woman, or “other.” If we excluded falsely accused women in addressing the issue of false accusations generally, we would be guilty of the same crime the gender feminists are perpetrating against innocent men. We need to return to EQUAL protection of the laws and dignity for men and women both. I do agree that, for now, the entire justice system and media in the Anglosphere has been corrupted by moral panic and hysteria that allows women an unfair advantage. The irony is that such hysteria and uneven treatment ultimately denigrates, demeans, and humiliates both men and women.

http://www.factuk.org/

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2003874026_predator10.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article6890538.ece

Finally, call me a pansy if you want to. Your words are nothing in comparison to my false accuser falsely reporting me as a rapist. Eventually you’ll discover, as Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and Nelson Mandela did, that the only way to advance our cause is to gain the respect of those who are oppressing us. The difference between me and you: I know where the battle lies and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I wish you health, long life, freedom and good hunting — even though it may be, that in spite of my innocence and due to a false accusation, I will have none of these things."

Anonymous said...

A false rape accusation against a woman is every bit as damaging and harmful as it is toward a man.

It's odd - a woman TRULY guilty can get a slap on the wrist or dismissed entirely.

Let her deny doing it and - WOW!This is something particularly evil about false accusations.

While it is ASSUMED false accusations against women are rare, it is only in this one myopic venue. Look at CPS or child abuse accusation cases and you will find women are frequently and regularly falsely accused.

False accusations by adult females against adult males is simplty an outgrowth of the burgeoning multi billion dollar false child rape industry.

Connect the dots. Follow the money. Same mentality.

Everyone of us have been so busy judging, reviling and hating accused child abusers that abuse of the innocent was ignored or felt a necessary collateral damage "if it saves just one child".

Now we see women transformed into sainted child like victims who can't be held responsible for their fibs or exaggerations.

Wake up and smell the crematoriums: This truly is "Then they came for me and nobody was left to speak up..."

Allowing injustice of any kind to stand has now landed on our own doorstep.

Anonymous said...

I hate false accusers and I don't care if the victim is male or female or if the false accuser is male or female.
****

That's how I feel.

Archivist said...

Thanks to everyone for their comments, here and on Spearhead. AfOR, thanks for your incredible defense. Nobody messes with you, sir.

And Jay doesn't exist to me. The appropriate way to express concern about my site would have been to write to me about it first.

Archivist said...

Thanks to everyone for their comments, here and on Spearhead. AfOR, thanks for your incredible defense. Nobody messes with you, sir.

Snark, when you noted that lies were being told about FRS, I actually examined that post to see if any libel had been published. Honestly, it's nothing for me to file suit if its warranted. I find it disconcerting that that blog would tolerate an attack on probably the hardest working men's rights site on the net.

I also know that I am regarded in some feminist quarters as angry and vicious, but if they actually knew me, they'd understand that's an understatement. I doubt that the movement has a more fierce, or smarter advocate, and I rarely blow my own horn. Snark's advice about letting it drop is sound. It is too bad that I am likely incapable of doing that.

Chef Snark said...

I would say that taking any kind of action against The Spearhead would be about as hundred times as counter-productive as Jay writing a silly article.

You don't just post about false rapes here. You do off-topic pieces about misandry in its other manifestations fairly regularly. So, in many ways, FRS and The Spearhead are on the same team.

This was minor. Shameful, but minor. Let's please NOT scuttle our own ship. As far as I regard Jay's article akin to clipping the wings of a proto-movement before it gets off the ground, filing against The Spearhead is akin to blowing the bird's brains out and smearing them all over the road.

Besides which, it's Welmer's site, not Jay's. Welmer allows contributors to post as they will (I don't even think he checks the posts of official contributors before they go up). That may be, I don't know, a little misguided on his part? But he doesn't deserve anything like that.

This is just a trivial, personal conflict. Jay has been called out on it. Whatever he was trying to do it seems to have backfired. I think it would be unwise to turn a trivial and personal conflict into a much bigger issue which does damage to the movement that feminists only dream of someday doing. All the potential we have, collectively, should not be sacrificed in the name of some relatively minor personal conflict.

Anonymous said...

And I think this guy is missing the point when he says that you pander to women by including them in the subheading: feminists are ultimately not pro-woman, in spite of their constant blathering about their 'issues.' The feminists are totalitarians who waste their time searching for little things to feel offended about so that they can call upon the government and other powerful institutions to micro-manage yet another aspect of their lives (and ours). like sheep in perpetual search of a shepherd, they will never rest because what they really want -- in spite of their rhetoric -- is to be controlled, because freedom makes them uncomfortable.

That women as well as men are injured by this is inevitable, because totalitarian thinking is very degrading to human dignity. When a mob of zealots who talked about nothing but empowering the poor set up their own country and called it the Soviet Union, the poor didn't benefit -- and there were a lot more of them! Similarly, the (non-violent) war against false accusations is really a war for human rights and dignity, in which women and feminists are ultimately on opposite sides. It isn't "pandering" to point this out.

Archivist said...

Snark, you are probably correct. You must understand that every day, I am involved in a series of wars of this nature. I play hardball, and this sort of conflict literally is routine for me.

But this time it was personal. I don't like the fact that this individual chose to go onto the most public forum available to him to insult something I work very hard on. Trust me, he knows how to email me. But this time, he didn't do it -- he though he had a great post for that other blog, so he stabbed me in the back on Internet. Fine. And maybe I'll leave it go, as you suggest. It's not in my nature to do that, but since you and I are working on another project together, I suppose I don't want to piss you off.

Chef Snark said...

"I don't like the fact that this individual chose to go onto the most public forum available to him to insult something I work very hard on. Trust me, he knows how to email me. But this time, he didn't do it -- he though he had a great post for that other blog, so he stabbed me in the back"

Oh, believe me, I know.

That was an unbelievably shitty thing to do.

It's not that it would piss me off if you were to pursue this, but I wouldn't stand with you if you did, because it would be overkill.

Welmer's a single dad with two kids who runs The Spearhead out of his own pocket ... and has to ask for donations because he's had some difficulty doing that.

Given that his site is one of the most popular in the movement, I'd say that going after him would be damaging to the work that you are doing here.

And therefore, ultimately, it would be detrimental to the falsely accused. We need unity, not division - which is what pissed me off about Jay's divisive piece.

Archivist said...

Snark sounds like my wife the time I was going to ram the bicyclist who cut me off on the road. Sheeesh, a bunch of softies.

Anonymous said...

I know "Pierce" personally. He's actually a nice person, but admits he doesn't much like people. I think the only time he feels alive is when he's in a heated dispute.

"Pierce," I just emailed you, on your real email.

Archivist said...

Thanks, jerk, for the quote marks. I don't hear from you for a month, and you choose to contact me by insulting me on a public forum?

I don't like people? I love people -- it's YOU I don't like. Will respond to your email right now.

P.S. What are you reading this for? I thought you didn't believe in this stuff?

Chef Snark said...

"He's actually a nice person, but admits he doesn't much like people."

In that case, "Pierce" reminds me of someone I know, who calls himself "Tom Snark." ;)

AfOR said...

@ Snark

"Welmer's a single dad with two kids who runs The Spearhead out of his own pocket ... and has to ask for donations because he's had some difficulty doing that."

Actually, since it is possible to access the Spearhead from the UK, it is possible to sue for libel here in the UK.

Particularly in the light of last week's decision, which means that exercising ANY editorial control of ANY kind WHATSOEVER makes you publisher and liable for anything and everything published.

This means that if you exercise any editorial control, you have to take full control.

Fact is, Welmer could be sued in UK libel court for that post, and fact is he would lose, slam dunk, game over, and in his new poor state he'd lose his kids.

Fact is, Steven and Pierce set themselves up with a HUGE fucking bullseye on their backs for running this site (thing record labels being sued for lyrics that "cause" kids to commit suicide) and they know this.

They are therefore clearly aware that anything and everything they publish here can be quoted in Court at some point in the future and, as the Police say, used against them.

Hell, you've only got to look at me, I'm one of those who don't care who I offend, and yet, here I am, being very very careful to post anonymously (or, rather, anonymously *enough*) because of the certainty that it can and will be used against me.

But, unlike Spearhead, this place is an actual bona fide resource, that actually makes a real world difference in real world cases.

I have linked before to Robert Whistons place (http://robertwhiston.wordpress.com/) who is a lot like Pierce and Steven, his site is a resource, he is out there fighting for legal change, the only thing that actually counts.

Spearhead is amusing, but only a fool will think it will ever achieve anything. It's a place to blow off steam, shoot the shit, and say things that would be inappropriate in other places such as this.

Personally, I'd suggest leaving it alone, the way you win is hunt down the prey, you don't achieve that by getting distracted by small beer on the way.

Chef Snark said...

"Actually, since it is possible to access the Spearhead from the UK, it is possible to sue for libel here in the UK."

What? I never denied this. It's not relevant. Pierce is in the US.

Archivist said...

AfOR, you are a brilliant man.

Anonymous said...

Having read some of the comments up at the Spearhead, I feel the need to post some thoughts.

#1: The talk about who is and isn't a "real "man" and how MRAs are fags when they use feminist-like language stems from a phony sense of manhood, reminiscent of old school patriarchy. Guess what? Old school patriarchy is dead; the fag-bashing, nigger-hating men of old went down and I'm not sad to see them go. It's time for a NEW patriarchy; one that isn't divisive. We can't afford to worry about who is and isn't a "real man" any more. We are all in the same ship. And for the record, I support the right of men to practice homosexuality. There is no reason why gay men and feminists should be on the same team forever.

#2: The use of "...falsely accused men and women" is entirely appropriate. To deliberately say men only for the sake of spitting in the face of political correctness would be an insult to falsely accused women. And the falsely accused are sacred.

#3: Women can indeed be unreliable when they become MRAs, and sometimes women pose as MRAs so that they can get attention. They are quickly revealed for what they are when they do so. But to build a new male-friendly society you are going to need the support of some women, and you are going to need to project some kind of positive vision of women. You can't just set up a He-Man Woman Hater's Club and expect anybody to support that. Women aren't inherently bad; we just have a bad society that emphasizes the wrong values. We need to get back to values such as truth, freedom, family, and justice (not the Nancy Grace variety -- impartial, fact-oriented, non-hysteria-driven justice).

#4: We say bitch and cunt here all the time, especially in reference to false rape accusers. Would pansies use such language? Now if you'll excuse me, there is a Queen album I haven't listened to in ages.

Archivist said...

Anon, thanks -- very perceptive comment. See my comment to the post right above this, at 5:06 p.m.

Chef Snark said...

"#1: The talk about who is and isn't a "real "man" and how MRAs are fags when they use feminist-like language stems from a phony sense of manhood, reminiscent of old school patriarchy. Guess what? Old school patriarchy is dead; the fag-bashing, nigger-hating men of old went down and I'm not sad to see them go."

I agree.

It's THIS, and most certainly NOT Jay's piece itself, which has hammered home for me that I need a break from all this.

Jay's piece seems to have brought out a number of these characters. I don't know why. Perhaps it was the "pansy" remark that set off all these "real men."

This comes a day after that ridiculous article in The Sexist making fun of Male Studies - which might, you know, address things like false rape accusations and prison rapes - reduced to men just wanting to be wife-beating "real men."

I mean really, these kind of people - the self-proclaimed "real men" - can just fuck off. Nothing they do is productive or helpful in the slightest. It plays into those hateful feminist stereotypes, allowing them to continue minimising the REAL issues at hand.

Needless to say, some jackass with a blog about how rape doesn't matter, insulting FRS by saying it panders to feminist hate and is an anti-male site.

What the fuck?

I'm disillusioned.

As I say, this isn't about Jay's piece, but about some of the morons who posted in response to it. I can't be bothered with it.

Archivist said...

No, Snark, it SHOULD be about Jay's piece. Jay's piece was irresponsible -- suggesting that this blog is pandering to feminists, etc. That touched off some of the usual he-men women-haters.

If we ever want to convince people who don't follow these issues, we need to stop coming off like idiots. We need to emulate Sacks and FIRE.

I am tired of preaching to the choir. The choir wants to push this movement further and further to an extreme and has no use for facts, reality, or nuance. I'm at the point where the very term "MRA" is starting to carry a little too much baggage for me, and I think I'd do better without any of it. The aggravation of dealing with some of these women haters is as bad as the extreme feminists.

So to the morons, I say: the world isn't black and white; you are not oppressed in every sphere of your existence because you have a penis. If you really want to help effect policy change for the many issues that affect and hurt men, you need to stop generalizing, stop the women-bashing, and stop trying to insist to other men working for men's rights that your dick is bigger than theirs. You, frankly, disgrace the efforts of those of us who are serious about doing something, and you serve no useful purpose in this movement.

Chef Snark said...

Well now, I can't help how I feel!

Jay's piece was irritating but it didn't make me want to bash my head against a wall.

It's the "real man" comments that did that. I agree with what you just said, though. Fully. I'm just coming around to a lot of it.

Archivist said...

"Jay's piece was irritating but it didn't make me want to bash my head against a wall."

That's because it wasn't your site -- a site that I work on very diligently every single day of the week day -- that he ridiculed in a kind of supercilious diarrhea of irrationalities. Trust me, when and if Jay ever responds to my email, he will hear language I don't use on this site.

Anonymous said...

Needless to say, some jackass with a blog about how rape doesn't matter, insulting FRS by saying it panders to feminist hate and is an anti-male site.
*****

You wouldn't be talking about Bob, would you? Lol.

Reinholt said...

Briefly...

There are many out there who are far more sane than most of what you see on the Spearhead. This website, for example, tends to be (although I do not always agree with some of the more opinion-oriented pieces) well-grounded in reality.

There are certainly a bunch of woman-hating freaks that could run with the most virulent of feminists that come out of the woodwork from time to time, but bowing to their pressure is no different than bowing to that of hateful women's groups.

The fact that these people are attacking you is not a bad thing; it is evidence that you are effective. If you did not threaten their fragile dream-world by actually making progress with a realistic, measured approach, they wouldn't be discussing you at all.