Sunday, April 11, 2010

False rape essay by reader AfOR

FRS: Always controversial, AfOR's essay is intended to spark discussion.

Why “He said / She said” is inapplicable in alleged non-stranger rape.

By “non stranger” I mean any two people who commonly live together at the same address or who are in an on-going (at the time of the allegations) relationship.

Ex-spouses and ex-partners are not included. Nor are casual acquaintances or friends.

This alleged scenario is at the root of all alleged rapes between persons who know each other (e.g. not “stranger rape”) and is always cited as the reason “we cannot be sure” and therefore why we must start with an open mind, and (in contradiction to this) why we must accept that a rape might indeed have taken place.

Let’s skip ahead a bit, the rape allegation has been made to the Police, the Police have arrested the alleged suspect, and he (for it is almost always a he) is sat in the Police interrogation room being “interviewed” (as the Police prefer to call it) by a specialist Rape Squad police person.

Speaking as someone who has sat in that chair, I can tell you that as the alleged rapist the arrest and subsequent procedures and then the interrogation(s) itself feel like what can only be described as emotional, spiritual and mental rape.

No man who has sat in that chair will disagree with this.

The Police person, however, will describe something quite different, they will describe a formal, polite and careful interview process, conducted in a clean, dry, warm room.

No police person who has sat in the other chair will disagree with this.

“Hang on a minute..” says the reader, “I thought you were supposed to be arguing against this being a rape, not proving it was?”

Bear with me.

This difference in perceptions between the Police person and the alleged rapist is essentially a philosophical difference as much as a difference of perception.

Two men look up into the sky and see a single cloud, one man says “That cloud looks like the face of Jesus!”, and the other man says “That cloud looks like the face of Mohammed!”

Is this a difference of religion, or perception, or philosophy, or of all three?

Instead of two men, one thousand men look at the same cloud, now (because of geographic location) 999 say it looks like Jesus, and 1 says it looks like Mohammed. Does that make the majority right?

Nevertheless, all religions worldwide agree on a few basic tenets. They all hold that theft is wrong, that murder is wrong, and so all those men will agree that whatever it may look like, it is indeed in fact a cloud, and it is indeed in fact drifting along serenely in the heavens.

The cloud drifts on, serene, completely unconnected to the perceptions of men, its own physical reality is the fact, just as the actual events are the facts in an alleged rape.

Rape is not something that may or may not exist depending on philosophy or perspective, like the actual identity of a face in the clouds. Rape is a physical reality, there is either a cloud, or there is not.

So, back to the Police station.

We have established that the Police person and the alleged rapist can both, quite honestly, and quite genuinely, hold completely different opinions about the same thing.

Let us move on to power, because without exception in all these “he said / she said” cases it is alleged that the power differential between the male alleged rapist and the female alleged rape victim is an intrinsic part of the alleged rape itself.

Speaking again personally of my own experiences, I was not handcuffed, manhandled, maced, tasered or anything else.

The arresting officer was polite and formal, “I am arresting you...” was all it took to ensure my compliance.

Sure, the implicit threat of the other six police officers in attendance, backed up by the might of the Court and Prison system, was of course ever present, if unspoken.

Power, violence, force did not have to be used on me to assure my meek compliance. Nor was the threat of any of these things required. I believed that it was there, and that was sufficient to assure my meek compliance with the arresting officer’s wishes.

“Hang on another minute..” says the reader, “I thought you were supposed to be arguing against this being a rape, not proving it was?”

The fact is that I am making a damned good case for my extreme emotional, spiritual and mental abuse, at the hands of an (relatively) all powerful abuser, so much so that I did not dare do anything but comply and submit to my terrible experience.

But, there is a problem.

It is not a small problem.

It is an insurmountable problem.

It is not a problem of philosophy, or a problem of perception.

The problem is that the Police person, being the arresting officer, knows damned wall that the only reason I am sat in the Police station is because they arrested me.

As a result of this the Police person knows for a fact that I do not wish to be there, and knows for a fact that I am going to find the experience extremely unpleasant.

To make this case for my own extreme abuse at the hands of the Police person, I have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Police person genuinely believed that I was sat there of my own free will.

I have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that all I had to do at any time was simply say “No.” And walk away.

I have to do this because the essence of a “he said / she said” case is always one of differences of perception.

No-one has any hope of mounting a successful defence to a “he said / she said” allegation of rape if the power differential in his favour is as great as the one between my arresting officer and myself, e.g. absolute. My arresting officer had all the power, I had none.

In an alleged non-stranger “he said / she said” rape this means the man must be a millionaire with a castle and guards and his own dungeon, and the woman must be a non status illegal immigrant kept chained up in the dungeon 24/7.

If the woman goes out by herself daily, has her own transport, own door keys, own mobile phone, own email, it is the same as the Police station having doors with no locks, and no powers of arrest.

To have any hope whatsoever of proving beyond a reasonable doubt I that I was emotionally, spiritually and mentally raped by the Police person I must therefore prove beyond a reasonable doubt, to a Judge and / or Jury, that the Police person despite having personally arrested me, despite the locks on all the doors, despite all the Police training, despite the six other Police officers who accompanied to my home, despite all common sense, not merely genuinely believed that I was in that Police station of my own free will, but is able to actually prove it.

It is not sufficient to prove that the Police officer saw Mohammed in the cloud, when everyone else saw Jesus, I must prove that there was in fact no cloud in the sky at all.

If I can only show that (however great a stretch if the imagination this is) the Police person genuinely believed that I was there of my own free will, then I have only shown a philosophical difference, I must show a factual difference.

Rape is not a question of philosophy, it is a question of fact.

Questions of philosophy, differences of perception, states of mind, these things apply to trivial things like one person selling a used laptop to another, it is quite possible for the seller to genuinely think the buyer has had a good deal, and for the buyer to genuinely think they have been ripped off.

Questions of philosophy, differences of perception, states of mind, these things do not apply to major things like Rape or Theft, it is not possible for the seller to hand over an Dell box containing an old brick for weight and genuinely believe that the buyer is getting a good deal.

Conclusion.

If you think that this argument leads to the conclusion that “he said / she said” rape allegations are simply impossible to prove one way or another, the Schrödinger’s Cat of Criminal Law, you are mistaken.

There is only one logical deduction, and that is that BY DEFINITION, “he said / she said” non-stranger allegations of rape are simply NOT POSSIBLE. By definition, ALL such allegations are false.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

very interesting from a man who is always very interesting.

Anonymous said...

Also in the news: the latest attention-seeking bimbo in the Tiger Woods "scandal":http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/tigerwoods/2010/04/07/2010-04-07_tiger_woods_latest_alleged_lover_is_young_neighbor_raychel_coudriet_report.html

Woods had his way with 22-year-old Raychel Coudriet on a couch in his office, near a crib for one of his kids, the National Enquirer reports. And he didn't wear a condom.

"I felt used and violated, like I meant nothing to him but a night of casual sex," Coudriet said, a source told the tab. "I just wanted to dig a big hole, crawl in and die."
*****

Are you getting your 15 minutes, loser? What an idiot!

Anonymous said...

Thanks AfOR!

As for the off-topic article on Tiger Woods: I predict that some woman will eventually come forward with a false rape claim against him. Just give it time.

Anonymous said...

I'm amazed they haven't already!

Bob said...

It would be surprising if even 6% of rape accusations have any factual basis at all.

What is absolutely true in all cases is that the blue gun thugs are trained to attack and destroy the lives of as many men as possible. They will arrest and abuse a man on the least possible excuse, and it doesn't matter if the "police person" knows its a lie. They are ALL out to destroy men. That is their job. That is who they are.

Anonymous said...

Except when they arrest the false rape accuser and seek felony charges. Happens, you know.

Anonymous said...

OT, but I thought you guys would get a kick out of this: http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/beautifulyoungthings/2010/04/11/oprah-winfrey-wont-give-her-phone-number-to-her-mother/

QUEEN of talk, Oprah Winfrey won’t give her phone number to her mother, reported RadarOnline.

This comes from author Kitty Kelley as she promotes her new unauthorized biography about Oprah, and presents her as a cold manipulator who requires everyone around her to sign confidentiality agreements.

Archivist said...

". . . the blue gun thugs are trained to attack and destroy the lives of as many men as possible."

That, of course, is wrong, despite its loopy, misdirected passion. Passion and rage work better when they are supported by stupid things like, oh, facts, for one.

The vast majority of false rape claims are disposed of early via police questioning the false accuser and suggesting to the liars that there are holes in the story. While in some respects this is a favorable outcome, because the immediate target of the lie is not arrested, this tactic doesn't bring the false accuser to justice and, thus, doesn't serve a deterrent effect for false accusers. The police ranks seem to have more than their share of chivalrous men, feminism's useful idiots.

Anonymous said...

Maybe that's why Oprah, Inc. has virtually zero employment turnover. A cold manipulator can be your best friend.

Anonymous said...

Can you really argue the tactics of a successful leader like Oprah? Now I have a thought provoking question. In your opinion, what qualities do all leaders have in common; and when a leader fails, what is usually the cause of his/her demise?

Jared said...

"There is only one logical deduction, and that is that BY DEFINITION, “he said / she said” non-stranger allegations of rape are simply NOT POSSIBLE. By definition, ALL such allegations are false."


I think, perhaps, I disagree with your wording rather than your conclusion.

I think you are saying that if "he" tells a story and says it was consensual, and "she" tells the SAME story and says it was rape, then it deffinatly wasn't rape. If so, then I agree with you (or at least I disagree so minorly it's barely worth mentioning).

However, I've allways heard "he said/she said" as a term referring to any time that one pary tells one story and another tells a completly different story, i.e she says he threatened her with a knife, he says he didn't.

In this case I think that evidence must be found before we can conclude that a rape took place. However, it is a "he said/she said" in which rape conceivably could have occured.

Anonymous said...

Answering the above question, proven business leader or not, hell yes I can question Oprah's tactics, especially the charlatanry she has promoted on her program; 'The Secret' and all that bullshit. As for what makes for a great leader and why leaders fail, why not enlighten us? You seem to have some definite ideas on the subject.

Archivist said...

I've literally never seen Oprah for more than a few seconds, but I despise the whole idea of her.

Anonymous said...

And while I'm posting OT stuff, I found this to be incredible -- and indicative of how far we have fallen as a society:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece

Colonel Wilkerson, who was General Powell’s chief of staff when he ran the State Department, was most critical of Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld. He claimed that the former Vice-President and Defence Secretary knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees sent to Guantánamo in 2002 were innocent but believed that it was “politically impossible to release them”.
****

Obviously this doesn't relate directly to feminism, as most feminists are highly critical of the War on Terror -- but isn't it obvious that feminist totalitarian values have corrupted the right as well as the left? If it's okay to railroad men on rape charges without any evidence then why not do the same to terror suspects, even when you know that they're innocent? Prosecutors do this all the time in America, so how surprising can it be when our military adopts the same tactics?

Anonymous said...

This bears repeating: this article claims that Bush and Pals know that MOST -- not some, not one in ten, but MOST -- of over 700 detainees, including boys as young as ten and men as old as 92, were 100% innocent, and had been rounded up and sold to US intelligence pretty much at random.

If that is true then it is an atrocity.

Anonymous said...

Talking about Oprah makes me think of the Fred Reed column:

http://fredoneverything.net/HantDem.shtml

".... I got to worrying about it. About the common man, I mean. There's this show on TV about this enormous fat lady who's always doing specials on things like Dwarves With Three Heads and the Women Who Love Them Too Much, which would be at all. But what was scary was the people that came to watch. They didn't have much shape to'em, and they laughed sort of hyuk-hyuk, and breathed through their noses like they been inbreeding too much. Whenever that fat lady said something uncommon stupid, they'd yell and clap and stomp their feet, and the women would shriek. I told Hant about it.

"That'd be Oprah," he said. "Looks like five hundred pounds of bear liver in a plastic bag?"....."

Anonymous said...

Judging by his earlier posts, Afor knows jack-sh#t about tthe UK's legal system.

Anonymous said...

Here is AFOR showing off his alleged prowess with women ...

...

be yourself jack, you can pick up women (I have) in funerals, cemeteries, church, ER, courts, bus stations, train stations, ferry terminals, airports, road traffic accidents, doctors waiting rooms, just about anywhere.

the *only* place that doesn’t work (never tried it myself, never been in one) apparently is the family planning / STD clinic.

... Women are thinking about sex 100% of the time, every single man they see is “sized up” as a possible sexual partner.

... Here is the straight shit buddy.

a/ Women think about sex 100% of the time, every single man they see is checked out.

b/ Women check out men and categorise them as one of two types only, type 1 will impregnate them, type 2 will stick around and look after them.

c/ women have no use for type 2 until after type 1 has germinated the seed, got that? NO USE WHATSOEVER for type 2 until pregnant

d/ 99.99% of men today pretend to be type 2, LO-SERS…

e/ women do not form exclusive bonds with either type 1 or type 2

There, that is all you need to know to pick up women walking down the street with shopping, etc etc etc.

Shit, I have gone to foreign countries where the culture is entirely different and I could not speak a single word of the language, and gotten laid as easy as at home, proof positive that “game” is bullshit.

get this through your head, women want to fuck AT LEAST as much as yer average ball aching 16 year old boy….

simple mathematics prove it…

a man can impregnate a million women in his life time, a woman cannot impregnate ANYONE else, she is limited to her own stock of eggs, one every 4 weeks for 30/35 years or so…

the best thing she can possibly do is have as much sperm as possible competing for each egg.

... A very good friend of mine works in a hospital blood lab, he is extremely experienced and extremely good at his job… by his reckoning an absolute MINIMUM of 40% of children are not fathered by the man who thinks he fathered them.

He reckons if DNA testing for paternity at birth was mandatory we’d see that number jump up to 75/80%

............

Allowing Afor to post an entire article here undermines the credbility of this entire website

Once Bitten said...

@Anon 1:40am

And yet AfOR doesn't hide behind an anonymous name tag and take pot shots at people, groups or websites.

Whilst I personally don't always agree with AfOR, I do understand where he's coming from.

"Allowing Afor to post an entire article here undermines the credbility of this entire website"

Bull. This website has more credbility then most other sites out there. If you don't like it here, no one's forcing you to stay...

Anonymous said...

"And yet AfOR doesn't hide behind an anonymous name tag and take pot shots at people, groups or websites."

LOL!

1. He does hide behind an anonymous name tag.

"AFOR"

Duh!

2. He spends most of his online life spitting vitriol everywhere.

He has no credibility wherever he goes; except here, it seems

Once Bitten said...

@ Anon 4:45am

"Anonymous said...

"And yet AfOR doesn't hide behind an anonymous name tag and take pot shots at people, groups or websites."

LOL!

1. He does hide behind an anonymous name tag.

"AFOR"

Duh!"

*chuckle* Yeah yeah, you got me. Congrats, feel better now? Here's a cookie? Now do you feel better? No, I guess I'll just ignore you like the troll you are then.

Yes, his internet handle AfOR is not his real name. But you can identify which posts are his, can't you 'Anonymous'

Anonymous said...

>*chuckle* Yeah yeah, you got me.

You're right, I got you.


>Congrats, feel better now?

Yeah, I feel better now.

>But you can identify which posts are his, can't you

Yeah, I can.

I can also recognise all the BS he spouts.

Afor has no credibility anywhere, except on this site.

AfOR said...

Of course, it is pure coincidence that this is within 24 hours of the spearhead jumping the shark, and a bunch of people, myself included, posting there to that effect.

Anonymous said...

AFOR wrote, "be yourself jack, you can pick up women (I have) in funerals, cemeteries, church, ER, courts, bus stations, train stations, ferry terminals, airports, road traffic accidents, doctors waiting rooms, just about anywhere."

AFOR wrote "Women are thinking about sex 100% of the time,"

AFOR wrote "A very good friend of mine works in a hospital blood lab, he is extremely experienced and extremely good at his job… by his reckoning an absolute MINIMUM of 40% of children are not fathered by the man who thinks he fathered them."

And yet you guys think that he has credibility?

LOL!

AfOR said...

Take a look at the URL anonymous superhero.

www.afor.com? I don't think so.

piss off back to spearhead

slwerner said...

Bob (Bob knows?) - "What is absolutely true in all cases is that the blue gun thugs are trained to attack and destroy the lives of as many men as possible. They will arrest and abuse a man on the least possible excuse, and it doesn't matter if the "police person" knows its a lie. They are ALL out to destroy men. That is their job. That is who they are."

So what are we to make of all these reports we keep reading about where the police, acting on their own accord, determine claims to be false? Bob?

Seems your "theory" is a much "holes" as it is "substance".

If you are who I think you are, then I've read on your blog where you see rape as "not much of a crime". Would you care to share that with the men who suffer (~90,000/yr) rapes in prison? I'm sure it will make them feel soooo much better.

One thing that many people, and feminist essentially fail to do is to apply a simple "shoe on the other foot" test when assessing such things. Those men raped in prison are enduring "date rapes" wherein on party gets too aggressive in asserting their (sexual) will - we're talking the full-on violent degrading controlling rape that can cause permanent emotional (if not physical) scarring.

Of course, most of what is considered rape when it happens to woman is nowhere near what happens in a prison - Mahmoud Boy's "victim"'s 5-10 seconds beyond her withdrawal of consent, for example.

But, there are some women who do suffer rapes comparable to what men suffer in prison. And, despite what you may hold, most of us still consider women to be our fellow human beings, no less deserving than are men [which, of course, also establishes us as superior to gender-feminists who do not reciprocate]. Thus, those women should be considered the same as we consider men brutally raped in prison - victims, worthy of justice, and in need of care.

Anonymous said...

AFOR wrote: "Take a look at the URL anonymous superhero.

www.afor.com? I don't think so."

AFor now claimes to run a german company.

Archivist said...

You pansy, slwerner!

You are giving us all a bad name, being reasonable and actually using your brain before you type.

Chef Snark said...

Haha, yeah! You're such an emasculated fag! Just like everyone else on this emasculated fag site I just cannot stop posting on!

Chef Snark said...

Oh, and

"I've literally never seen Oprah for more than a few seconds, but I despise the whole idea of her."

that was my favourite post in this whole thread.

slwerner said...

Chef Snark - "You're such an emasculated fag!"

Given the reference to A-holes on The Spearhead, I have a question.

Was it you who posted a comment about a study of prison rapes, showing that there are something approaching 100k every year?

If so, could you post a link to that again?

slwerner said...

@Chef Snark:

Neglected to explain myself vis-a-vis the Spearhead A-hole remark.

While it's probably completely pointless to engage either one of them, on one hand, there's Bob pontificating that basically no-one is harmed by rape, and on the other hand, there's null (which I'm fairly certain is a name taken to reflect her thinking skills) yakking on about men (all men who have opinions, anyway) being in favor of oppressing women via rape and abuse.

I thought some real statistics about some real victims of some real rapes (men in prison) might serve to enlighten them both. [yeah, yeah, I know the odds]

Anonymous said...

OT - The topless Maine protest march, after which the feminists complained because men were staring at them:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001737-504083.html

I consider women going topless in public a form of harrassment; Maine should strengthen its public decency laws so that men don't have to put up with this from feminists who are looking for any excuse to badmouth men.

Once Bitten said...

Apologises all round for my attempt to engage that troll in discussion last night. I should have just ignored them.

slwerner said...

Once Bitten - "Apologises all round for my attempt to engage that troll in discussion last night. I should have just ignored them."

No need to apologize. Most of us have fallen into that same "trap".

Some learn quicker than others. You may well never do it again.

Some of us seem a bit "slower". For me, it's something like 147 times (and counting). More than a few trolls have rearranged my screen name into slowlearner. Maybe they're on to something?

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