UPDATE MONDAY EVENING: The report below was prepared very quickly as the D.A. read his prepared statement. The following is a more thorough report from a Pittsburgh newspaper, and it contains information from a press conference the D.A. held after reading his statement: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10102/1049817-66.stm
My original report follows:
Baldwin County, Ga. District Attorney Fredric D. Bright announced this afternoon that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will not face charges for sexual assault.
He explained that the duty of a District Attorney is to seek justice, and not merely to convict. He said that the sexual allegation "cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt."
Mr. Bright explained that the crime being investigated was rape, which requires penetration, forcibly and against her will. The circumstances do not lead to a viable prosecution. "We do not prosecute morals; we prosecute crimes." He revealed that the "victim" (Bright's inappropriate word choice, not mine) wrote on March 17 that she does not want to prosecute. The District Attorney later met with her, and she confirmed that decision.
Bright explained that the investigation revealed the following: both parties had been bar hopping and drinking the night in question, and had met at different bars. They participated in various conversations, some of a sexual nature. The "victim" was highly intoxicated. Roethlisberger followed her into a small, less than five-foot wide bathroom. "Significant questions" remain about what happened in that bathroom. But the medical examiner found no evidence of rape. Human male DNA was present. But the sample was so minute that it could not yield a profile.
Roethlisberger's name made no difference in the investigation, Bright said. This was simply a charge that could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
And based on all that, the District Attorney is to be commended. He did not roll the dice with a man's life, hoping that -- even though he didn't believe there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt -- perhaps an irrational jury would.
Still, the absence of anonymity for Mr. Roehtlisberger will insure that he is forever tainted as a possible "rapist." His reputation might never recover from this. Given his fame and wealth, he is in a far better position than most similarly situated presumptively innocent men, who often lose everything under these circumstances.
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I don't think he was even accused of rape, was he?
Scratch that comment; the article explains that. Duh
Hopefully he will launch a civil suit against this lying bitch too.
Yeah, if she was raped then why wasn't the rape exam positive? Very suspicious. $ in her eyes?
Can she be named now?
Yes, please post her name, her background, everything about her.
Let the liar be named and shamed!
Instant replay:
But the medical examiner found no evidence of rape.
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That's all we need to know. This is Big Ben Roethlisberger; we know what he does to trained atheletes on the football field. If there had been any kind of rape she would have been torn to pieces.
CHARGE THE LIAR!
"Mr. Bright explained that the crime being investigated was rape"
So, it was an accusation of (penatrive) rape, not just a sexual assault - as what little was being leaked out seemed to suggest.
Yet, this report still isn't explaining much. For instance, this past weekend, it was revealed that the surveillance camera's were not positioned to see the restroom entrance, yet we have this:
"Roethlisberger followed her into a small, less than five-foot wide bathroom."
If the camera's could not have seen this, then this must either come from Roethlisberger's acknowledgment that he followed her in, another eye-witness to his having done so, or (drum roll, please...) her simply have alleging that this is what happened.
And, I have to take some (objectionable) note of these significant things:
"But the medical examiner found no evidence of rape. Human male DNA was present. But the sample was so minute that it could not yield a profile."
The article sort of gives these two facts the "yada, yada, yada" treatment. But, they are extremely telling. By way of explainable, it should be noted that rapists (rape rapist, the kind who carefully plan their crime, and take great precautions) can and have been caught via the DNA evidence gleaned from a single hair root. Without going into detail, there are now techniques which allow a very small DNA specimen to be replicated so as to yield an identifiable profile.
And, while a SANE examine not finding any evidence of rape is not necessarily conclusive, just exactly how is it that a man (who had been drinking) could carryout an unplanned "opportunistic" rape, and not have left any (DNA) evidence?
I rather suspect that by "minute" they really mean "degraded" - meaning that what they found was too old to be replicated for analysis, but that the tell-tale "Y" chromosome could be identified, owing to it's obvious smaller size (the base pairs can be disrupted so as to be unreplicable, yet the the gross structure of the "Y" chromosome retained).
Given as I am to rampant speculation, sounds to me like they might have found evidence of sex with some man (boyfriend, perhaps - which might also explain why she would make an FRA) from days prior - but nothing from Roethlisberger.
The rest of my speculation builds upon that which I have previously proffered.
Taking advantage of her chance to be with a celebrity athlete, she women invited Ben into the restroom for sex. During the drunken pre-sex fumbling, she fell and injured herself. She lost interest in sex, and perhaps blamed him for her having fallen.
Her friends took her to the ER (for her head injury, as I recall), and, when asked about her injuries gave just enough information about having been in the restroom with a male to trigger an automatic report to police.
Still not entirely sober, she indicated to the investigating officer that there had been some (intended) sexual activity. the officers training no doubt lead the her being asked (repeatedly), "I need to know, did.he.rape.you?"; eventually evoking a yes response from her. Having already started to dig the hole, she continued on by submitting to the SANE exam.
Then, as we already know, once she'd sobered up, she became uncooperative with the police, and fled "to be with family" (aka, not have to deal with any consequence for the messed she'd made of things).
She never actually admitted that she lied, and the press seems to be white-knighting for her in leaving the matter open to question; but, the underlying message does seem to be that there was no sex, and no rape - just her lies.
And based on all that, the District Attorney is to be commended
Barely. In his statement, the DA said he "won't prosecute Mr. Roethlisberger for his actions that night", the clear implication being (a) he actually did something and (b) those actions were criminal, even though he lacks any proof for either claim. Continued slander of Roethlisberger's reputation even after dropping the case is not commendable.
I hope that FRS would consider contacting some of these news organizations, and explaining that the rape exam proved she is a liar. Somebody needs to push for charges against this phony.
So far I haven't even seen the criminal named.
This guy has a history of this BS
He is an adult millionare that is used to taking what he wants. What this guy did was get a young college girl drunk and set her up in the bathroom to use her and drive away. He is not a gentleman or a man at all! I hope the NFL fine and suspends the shit out of him, and her family sues the bastard What would you think if this was your little girl? from the Father of a 20 year old Georgia college student
"But the medical examiner found no evidence of rape. Human male DNA was present. But the sample was so minute that it could not yield a profile."
Just how significant is the presence of unidentified male DNA? I think it's likely that male DNA is everywhere (dead skin cells, blood, sputum, ejaculate etc.). If we have technology able to detect smaller and smaller traces of it, it's going to show up more and more (and mean nothing).
Randian - "In his statement, the DA said he "won't prosecute Mr. Roethlisberger for his actions that night", the clear implication being (a) he actually did something and (b) those actions were criminal, even though he lacks any proof for either claim."
I took it differently, based on this statement:
"We do not prosecute morals; we prosecute crimes."
which I take to mean that he believes that something did happen, but that it wasn't criminal - such as two drunk people sneeking off for some restroom sex.
Personally, I too believe that something did happened that night - Roethlisberger and the women intended to have (consensual) sex. But, then, things went awry, and she ended up with those all too common "regrets"- and regrets often morph into FRA's [said the preacher to the choir]
Actually, given that so many cases arise from regrets, I suggest that Mr Bright's remark ought to be applied (or, at least, seriously considered) in most every "he said/she said", IMHO.
And I remember right after the accusations once again people were throwing Roethlisberger under the bus and had him tried and convicted. Guys even.
And of course this little female child who made the false accusations remains unnamed.
http://www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/mediasources/20080722a?OpenDocument
How Reliable is DNA in Identifying Suspects?
A Discovery Leads to Questions About Whether the Odds of People Sharing Genetic Profiles Are Sometimes Higher Than Portrayed.
Calling the finding meaningless, the FBI has sought to block such an inquiry.
July 22, 2008
Los Angeles Times
By Jason Felch and Maura Dolan
etc
Anonymous - "He is an adult millionare that is used to taking what he wants. What this guy did was get a young college girl drunk and set her up in the bathroom to use her and drive away."
I take it that they don't deliver the news paper to the stone under which you live?
Young women (and even some not so young; not to mention more than a few who are under-aged) are practically lining up to have sex with celebrities.
Rap star, rock stars, movie stars, athletic stars, and even quite a few dim-light b-list reality-TV personalities have groupies more than willing to "give it up".
Get real! Roethlisberger likley had his "pick" of dozens of willing women in the club that night. Up until she fell and banged her head, his accuser probably though of herself as "the winner" as she lead him off to the restroom.
Ever hear of the term "Star-F*cker"?
It doesn't matter what she may have said when she was drunk, she was under age, he gave her multiple shots (that is against the law too) and set her up. A drunk yes or maybe from a young girl is not ok for a man to use as an excuse. This guy is no better than Michael Jackson, he used wine to set up his young prey also.
"This guy has a history of this BS
He is an adult millionare that is used to taking what he wants. What this guy did was get a young college girl drunk and set her up in the bathroom to use her and drive away. He is not a gentleman or a man at all! I hope the NFL fine and suspends the shit out of him, and her family sues the bastard What would you think if this was your little girl? from the Father of a 20 year old Georgia college student"
Sir, you are a first-class moron.
Legal Question for admin.
cos I know the US Law is a bit different.
In Criminal Court, is the test of guilt "Beyond reasonable doubt."?
If is what, how does "reasonable doubt" equate to (gambling) "odds", as it 20 to 1, or 1,000 to 1, or 1,000,000 to 1?
Given that in the USA the odds of
Odds of being an astronaut: 13,200,000 to 1
Odds of winning an Olympic medal: 662,000 to 1
Odds of an American speaking Cherokee: 15000 to 1
Odds of injury from shaving: 6,585 to 1
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1
Odds of being on plane with a drunken pilot: 117 to 1
Odds of dating a millionaire: 215 to 1
Clearly, none of these things are beyond reasonable doubt, as they all happen, quite a lot...
I am not debating the fact that there was enough evidence to prosocute. I am stating that this guy is the standard sports hero that has never been said no to and had is ass kissed his whole life.
This one is a preditor an an asshole. I may be a "moron" but at least I am not defending the obvious actions of a sexual preditor. Shame on anyone that would support his actions. At least give this girl the benifit of the doubt that she is not a "Star F**Ker" and is just an innocent girl. I ask you again WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF THIS WAS YOU LITTLE GIRL OR SISTER
Anonymous - "I ask you again WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF THIS WAS YOU LITTLE GIRL OR SISTER"
Well, let's see...since we know that:
"both parties had been bar hopping and drinking the night in question, and had met at different bars. They participated in various conversations, some of a sexual nature."
And, combining that with the fact that SHE was under-aged in bars; plus that fact that we have ZERO evidence that she got even one single drink from Roethlisberger;
I'd have to conclude that I must have raised my daughter wrong, and she turned out to be a party girl (and who knows what else).
Sorry, father of a 20-yr old Georgia student, you're being willfully ignorant.
The modern American main stream media are now dominated by "gender feminist" perverts who have a huge stake in keeping "Rape hysteria" as loud as it can get. Thats why if you read their articles, its "constructed" in a way that leaves the reader thinking "He raped her, and its the patriarchy that got him out of it"..again which feeds the dominant "gender feminist" construction.
Not unlike the Klu- KLUX- KLAN asurped power with " Rape hysteria"; "Rape hysteria" is also the main instrument that keeps the "gender feminists" in power.
I believe the "Gender Feminist elite" have lost their moral authority to lead, and should be replaced.
The "Gender Feminist construction" is the main psychological weapon that "breaks patriarchies", and in effect, createing a perpetual underclass of uneducated laborers to serve the "Gender Feminists".
Thank you for this website. I'm a female and a big supporter of men's rights. Women don't realize that when false claims of rape are made, it undermines real victims. Women also need to be more responsible when it comes to their sexual health. Perhaps it isn't a good idea to get drunk and go home with a guy. My brothers actually make women sign consent forms (no joke) before having sex with them because the false rape claims are getting out of hand. I believe if a woman has been found lying about rape or sexual assault she should get the book thrown at her. One of my best male friends was falsely accused of rape. Although he was found innocent, the situation messed him for life. The girl accused him of rape after they broke up. We went form a fun loving guy to bitter and depressed.
"I ask you again WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF THIS WAS YOU LITTLE GIRL OR SISTER"
What would you think if Ben was your son?
You, chivalrous, white-knight, abuse apologist, are everything wrong with the world.
You are the kind of idiot who continues to insist there is no smoke without fire, when it has been conclusively proved that there is no fire.
They did give her the benefit of the doubt. And the porr porr widdle gurl was lying. That's what they found out!
It must be hard for a father to accept that his campus daughter is most likely slutting it up. That she is a sexual being who very likely chases alpha cocks. Perhaps you know, deep down, that she might even be the next to falsely cry rape, and your psychological block on thinking of your daughter as a sexual human being would make you believe her even after she admits lying.
Perhaps that explains your position, when it has been proven that no rape happened.
WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF THIS WAS YOU LITTLE GIRL OR SISTER
That parents like you are stupid and that is what is all wrong with our society.
Excuse me,but 20 and women are in no way innocent in anyway like that.Isn't 18 normaly an adult??
She is not a girl anymore.
You are the problem of society itself who forces such thoughts that girls should be innocent when they can already decide for themselfs and should take responsibilities for their action.
If you disagree then you are in no way a reliable person who knows responsibilites of an adult and want to keep women as irresponsible children for a longer time then they should.This is the reason why some women don't grow up and people call them children,i hate hearing that about women,but that is what happens when you raise irresponsible women and don't worry men are also raised irresponsible so we are all in the same boat.
"Hopefully he will launch a civil suit against this lying bitch too."
At the very least. It would be a lot more helpful if he did the same against this very DA for using the word "victim" to describe this accuser. The fact that he si suing the DA who decided not to forward with the case, instead of meekly and gratefully crawling off with his name smeared, will have a salutary "chilling efect".
Still, the absence of anonymity for Mr. Roehtlisberger will insure that he is forever tainted as a possible "rapist." His reputation might never recover from this.
In Melbourne in an AFL match on Friday night...
AFL to review Malthouse-Milne exchange
Accusations of rape were made against Stephen Milne in 2004. These were made extremely public at the time although no charges were ever laid. My grapevine - nephew in the same circle of mates - tells me it was consensual sex that the young woman thought meant a relationship. She stalked and harassed Milne for days after and eventually cried rape weeks later.
I have no personal liking for Milne but the abuse he cops from spectators and other players is an ongoing disgrace.
He will never be free of it.
This is just a little taste of what Ben Roethlisberger has in store in his future.
This one is a preditor an an asshole. I may be a "moron" but at least I am not defending the obvious actions of a sexual preditor.
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Oh? He's a "preditor?" Then prove it. All I have seen so far is accusations made by nutcases who brag to their shrinks about having a relationship with Ben Roethlisberger that amounted to a thirty second jizz bath or by lying whores who produce no injuries and the wrong sperm as evidence. How does this add up to him being a "preditor?"
Get your head out of your ass. Ben Roethlisberger is the victim of a society that would deprive him of the freedom that it insists upon for womyn.
And if my "little girl" committed a major felony like this I would disown her!
Meanwhile the feminist cunts are ignoring this, and ignoring false accusations against women -- and focusing on how they aren't allowed to walk in public in front of little children with their tits hanging out. (Oh wait -- they are allowed to do that, but OH NO, men will LOOK!)
Feminism = petty/imaginary complaints; men's rights = substantial justice issues that affect us all.
You know, I was thinking about statistics....
Think "Shark", ooh, nasty / scary / evil / dangerous / fearsome
sound familiar?
but, the FACT is, the average US citizen has a 1 in 300 million chance of being killed by a shark...
slipping and dying in the shower or bath?
2,232 to 1
Chance of dying from an assault: 1 in 16,421
Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666
there is a moral there for us
The perversion of the law enforcement community 30 years ago, when they perverted their protocol to enable women and girls to lie about rape (WITH EASE, and with LITTLE TO NO CONSEQUENCES) is a disgrace to the history of law enforcement, and will end only when the perversion reaches it's natural conclusion of so many false rape acussation that no one believes rape acussations anymore.
The law enforcement "protocol perversion" that lets women and girls lie to law enforcement with no consequences; gives the "gender feminist" community immediate social and cultural power, but immediate gratification has it's long term price to pay.
Unfortunately, there are still plenty of suckers who do believe false rape accusations -- no matter how much evidence surfaces!
Hey you are exactly right to say to idiot Anon:
Get your head out of your ass. Ben Roethlisberger is the victim of a society that would deprive him of the freedom that it insists upon for womyn
Yesseriii -- the freedom to get co-eds drunk and follow them to the restroom.
This guy had a lily white reputation until this damn co-ed showed up.
WTF is the world coming to when society won't tolerate a little rape from super athletes?
From the Father of 20 year old college girl.
I found this site by accident by looking at an artical on Ben R on Google news. I also have 3 sons in their 20's that I would hate to be accused falsely. I know false accusations happen.I already said I agree with the DA on not enough evidance. Only Ben and this girl know.
However, just use some common sense and see that a 30 something guy took a drunk 20 yr into a scumy bar bathroom to have sex. Plus he is a high profile football star already in trouble with a lawsuit for sexual assualt. He puts a zillion dollar career in jepordy doing this shit? At minimum he is an idiot and a person that has very low morals. The Steelers and the NFL Office is going to go after him for his poor judgement on his actions
In closing I think that there are 3 types on this site.
1. Really good people that care about this issue
2. People that are bitter from a very bad experiance from the wrongful action of a woman.
3. The group of men that thinks there is no such thing as rape or sexual assault because all woman 5 to 85 "want it" "deserve it" or "lie about it" The true facts of rape of woman, men, and children is devestating. These people are guilty of narrow minded ignorance and belittles the cause of men wrongly accused.
To the people that are real and see both sides best wishes. To the sick bastards that fall into category 3 above, rot in the hell you deserve.
Sir, yer conclusions of the "3 types" of readers here is faulty and inflamatory hysteria".
I have never heard anyone hear condone rapists. "Hysteria" is a perversion of reality, as in Reality and hysteria cannot orbit the same planet.
Get gender feminist missinformation out of our law enforcement community...then even the "simpletons" will see wat is happenning.
Break the gender feminist / law enforcement missinformation Alliance; it is a perversion, it is Un-American, it is un-constitutional.
WTF is the world coming to when society won't tolerate a little rape from super athletes?
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There was no rape, dumbfuck. Can't you read?
2. People that are bitter from a very bad experiance from the wrongful action of a woman.
Oh geez -- you couldn't mean ME could you? Lol
Back to the WTF anon, I can tell by the way you're making an utterly baseless assertion and doing so in a very snide way -- in such a way as to imply that you're one hip dude, while the rest of us are barely educated apes -- that you're an all too typical politically correct liberal shithead.
So, Mr. PC Shithead: how exactly are you going to protect black males -- who you fucking love, right? Well? -- from frivolous prosecutions, if you're incapable of applying even the slightest skepticism to charges carelessly hurled against the star athletes you nifong?
Feminism and liberalism are ultimately incompatible, and I can't wait for that little secret to get out!
”Yesseriii -- the freedom to get co-eds drunk and follow them to the restroom.”
Where do you get the idea that he got her drunk. That she went bar-hoping would indicate that she has a fake ID, and has confidence that she can get into many bars. This would come from having used it to get into bars frequently. That would, in turn, seem to indicate that she was a frequent drinker (long before Ben came to town).
”This guy had a lily white reputation until this damn co-ed showed up.”
Yet, you seem to imagine that she has a better reputation. Based on what? The fact that she frequently goes drinking, that she has obtained a fake ID for that purpose, or perhaps that she engaged Roethlisberger in sexual talk. Doesn’t strike me that she’s some 20 year-old virgin (such a girl would likely be uncomfortable with sex talk, aside from not going from bar to bar).
”WTF is the world coming to when society won't tolerate a little rape from super athletes?”
Now you’re just justifying the ”idiot” label. From what we are told, it appears likely that no sex actually occurred. I suspect it was about to, but like with not just her enthusiastic consent, but likely at her initiation as well (she was the “winner” among the field of women vying for Ben’s attention, after all).
Sure Roethlisberger is a fairly pampered athlete, who no doubt has sex with women every where he goes. But, you know who’s to blame for that? The women who are willing to jump on the cocks of famous men, shoving their rivals aside to get their chance. The “playa’s” may be pigs for taking advantage of the female schmoregus board laid out before them, but it’s no crime to have sex with women who throw themselves at them. Blame the shameless and immoral women, first and foremost. If they didn’t “put out”, nay “throw out”; those men wouldn’t have the chance to be such pigs.
Look if you'd like to cut your teeth here arguing that what the police have determined was an FRA was, in fact, possibly actually a rape; at least try to do so on one that's more of a "close call".
Its obvious that you will never openly admit that Ben just might be a slime and guilty of planning to get women drunk and prey on them. Is it possible? Was it her right to go to the police?
I am a hard core conservative and libertarian. Obama is ruining our country. Bush was an asshole for getting us into Iraq. The whole damn country is not worth a drop of American blood or a dollar of Amerian money. So I am not some left wing nut or feminazi.
But I still believe men have a duty to respect themselves and treat women with respect and not take advantage of them wether they act like they "want it" or not. It is what separates us from the animals.
So I will say goodbye never to bother your site again. I repeat, to those of you that are real and can see both sides of this issue best wishes. To those that attacked me with the worst of right wing exteremist views (are you reading Islamic books on how to treat women?) and are haters of all women, rot in hell.
AfOR, one of the classic definitions of "reasonable doubt" is such doubt as would give one pause in acting on a matter of grave importance to himself.
"Simpletons" are very subject to the hysteria that surrounds them, and some simply may not have the capacity to "challenge the hysteria" that surounds them.
You call yourself a Libertarian but you think that men don't have the right to "take advantage" of women who are willing to have sex? And what should the man do when the woman wants sex -- refuse because your "hardcore conservative" values disapprove? Aren't you abusing those poor, helpless women if you refuse sex?
Some Libertarian you are! "Nifongitarian" is more like it.
Anon at 9:02: I understand where you're coming from, but I think you are living in a past that may or may not have really ever existed. Young women today are as aggressive, or more so, than the young men. They are smart, and they aren't held back by much. Athletes have always had groupies surrounding them, and to paint this young woman as an innocent lamb led to slaughter, based on these facts, is unwarranted.
Let's start treating women with the respect they deserve -- they aren't helpless infants. They are free moral agents. Your comment insults two genders at once: it suggests males, especially male professional athletes, are predators, and it suggests that the women who willingly chase after them are helpless prey. Maybe on Lifetime TV, not in generally, among women, in real life.
To those that attacked me with the worst of right wing exteremist views (are you reading Islamic books on how to treat women?) and are haters of all women, rot in hell.
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Actually sir, YOU are the one who is so contemptuous of women that you refuse to acknowledge that they are capable of choosing to drink, choosing to have kinky sex in a bathroom, and even capable to choosing to lie to the police in a pathetic attempt to get money and attention; in short, you are the one who is infantilizing and degrading women by lowering all women to the level of the false rape accuser.
And good luck with that, by the way.
By the way, folks -- isn't it disgusting the way people in the media are conflating plain old adultery with rape and/or abuse these days? Since they can't find a legitimate celebrity rape they harp on Tiger Woods, as if he hypnotized all of his lovers with his man club.
". . . isn't it disgusting the way people in the media are conflating plain old adultery with rape and/or abuse these days?"
It's all part of the same old pattern of treating men as sexual predators. Any male sexual misconduct falls somewhere on a sort of depravity continuum. Going to a strip club (the recent GOP scandal) is Rape-Lite. Adultery is a legal mini-rape, almost as depraved.
So, I guess what Tiger SHOULD have done before running around is what women do a lot more than men: irrevocably destroy his family unit by divorcing his wife. (The difference is, of course, when women divorce, they are generally the payees instead of the payors. Is it any wonder men don't initiate the divorces?) I'm not condoning what Tiger did, but it's a private matter. The only public matter was the apparent dv committed against him that no one seems to give a damn about. If the genders were reversed, and if his wife was chased, it would be one of the biggest stories of the year.
But I still believe men have a duty to respect themselves
So far so good.
and treat women with respect
If they earn it and deserve respect, then yes.
and not take advantage of them whether they act like they "want it" or not.
Wrong. Women want to be treated as equals and not little children that don't know what they truly want. If they act like they "want it", then maybe they actually do "want it"? We're men not mind readers, and they're not little children, or are they?
It is what separates us from the animals.
Exactly, what separates women from animals is that they are able to make informed choices, and must take responsibility for those choices, including getting drunk, flirting with and leading on Ben Roethlisberger, and going into a bathroom with him. None of this means she deserves to be sexually assaulted, and according to the DA, there's no evidence she was. So I'm not sure what your problem is.
"Its obvious that you will never openly admit that Ben just might be a slime and guilty of planning to get women drunk and prey on them."
You're reaching so hard here you've fallen over.
Women in bars are not being tied down and having alcohol poured down their throats. They walk in voluntarily, usually with the intention of having a few alcoholic drinks. But you must know that.
If a guy comes along and talks to them, how is he planning to get them drunk? Are you such an apologizer for women behaving badly that you must shift that blame to the first man that ambles by?
Isn't it reasonable to believe that any woman in a bar is at least 20, since the bar-owner has so much to lose serving under-aged drinkers?
So where does your immediate suspicion of Ben R spring from?
It's not reasonable. You present like someone with a preconceived idea of who sins and who is blameless.
Anon at 10:17: You've nailed it. That's a dead on analysis.
I do think it is a shame that, I suspect due to political correctness, this young woman won't be charged with underage drinking. I suppose they don't want to "punish" her for coming forward with a rape charge, even thought that charge might have been false, given how politicized rape has become. That's exactly the wrong decision. If a young man her age were proven to be drunk, I would bet he'd be charged in a heartbeat. Moreover, not charging her is only perpetuating this hook-up/cry rape culture that is at the root of the false rape problem: the reality is, this non-incident likely would not have occurred if she wasn't in that unfortunate state where people, sadly, make stupid decisions. It is about time that we hold people, even young women who cry rape, accountable for the stupid decisions they make.
AnAnon, is predator a criminal term, madam?
And yeah, the list goes on and on . . . Tiger and Edwards. Hmm. Where will it end. We have two so far.
Tiger should have done the noble thing and divorce her, because then cheating is legal. Right?
Go find another blog to haunt.
I'm not condoning what Tiger did, but it's a private matter.
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Yes, and these "social conservatives" don't get that. They think they're imposing their brand of family values onto men (but not women) by fanning the flames of tabloid scumbaggery, but all they're really doing is driving husbands down yet another notch and causing Mrs. Woods more humiliation.
And I hate to say this, but it's becoming obvious that these chivalrist/conservative types SUPPORT these false rape accusations, as a way of discouraging men from participating in consentual sex.
No such 'moralizing' is necessary for the slut who jumps in the bathroom with Big Ben for a ride and a shot at millions, though!
Well, Anon, I wouldn't call anyone a slut -- none of my business. It sounded like two people playing sex games, and it's a deadly culture in a host of ways.
And the goons at Foxnews don't get; big surprise: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/04/13/roethlisberger-earned-punishment/
Yeah, punish the victim of two false rape accusations; whole lotta sense. Whatever you do don't take a position based on FACTS. Just judge based on who has a penis. Morons!
History will tell that the law enforcement perversion of the last 30 years, by enabling "false rape accussers"..Is harming the "Real Rape victims", because with so many false, how do if they are telling the truth.
The gender feminist / law enforcemnt missinformation Alliance is un-christian, Un-American, and Un-constitutional. Break the perversion ALLIANCE!!
"And I hate to say this, but it's becoming obvious that these chivalrist/conservative types SUPPORT these false rape accusations, as a way of discouraging men from participating in consentual sex."
Conservatives are scum and they are not our allies.
Unborn fetuses, school prayer, and blocking cocks (particularly of gay men) seem to be their priorities, not individual rights or promoting family values in any meaningful way.
"Quite candidely, it was her soroity sisters. When she left the restroom ... she indicated to her sorority sisters that she wanted to go home. And quite candidly, it was her sorority sisters who were concerned, said no she didn't need to be back there with Ben cause she was too drunk to be back there with Ben. And it was her sisters idea that said we need to go report this to the police. So ... it was immediately reported to the police ...
When they took her to the first officer, he says that it was mostly the sorority sisters that were talking and there was alot of confusion.
And he could tell they were trying to report something, sounded like some sort of sexual assault
And the first words out of his lips, this is the police officer, said 'Wait a minute let me hear from her',
she's obviously intoxicated,
he said quote "Did he rape you?"
and her response was "No".
Next the first officer said "Did you have sex?"
she said "Well I'm not sure." "
Anonymous - "Quite candidely, it was her soroity sisters."
Is this from a linkable (and documentable) account? Pretty damning stuff if true.
Well it was a comment from there almost at the bottom:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/12/ben-roethlisberger-sexual_n_534360.html
It was this link but it seems like a dead link now
http://http//www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/23127501/index.html
actually the link works,didn't have a firefox plugin.It's the judge and he himself says it.
Sounds pretty damaging to me too, but Slwerner, if sex occurred, why is the sperm insuffient for DNA testing?
I mean could he have used her body for an erection and then flushed the sperm in the toilet?
and this is also pretty interesting http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/10/ben-roethlisberger-sorority-investigation-accuser-georgia-college-facebook/
the written link about mentioning soriority sisters and she says that she had sex:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/23073290/detail.html
part2 district attorney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaRGdYizw7g&feature=channel
part4 disctrict attorney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBOClZNRzY&feature=channel
Dawn: no, it's just that rapists come equipped with magic penises these days that spit up another man's sperm and cause no injuries, even when wielded by a 240 lbs, 6'5 football-playing gorilla. See? There's a simple explanation for everything.
Oh -- and for the record, if you are asked by the police if you were raped and you give the wrong answer, you are a false rape accuser and need to be incarcerated for at least the same length of time that your victim would have gotten. Anything less is tyranny.
Men are not here to be victimized by liars, gossips and insane would-be heroes who ride the legal system like it's Lancelot's steed. This bullshit needs to end.
Another strange thing --
Why did the bodyguard stand outside the bathroom door knowing Roethlisberger had followed this girl back there? Did the bodyguard receive prior instructions -- was the encounter planned from the get-go?
Dawn,
I would guess that he knows his job is to keep people away from Ben, not to go into the bathroom and be a voyeur. The door is usually the ONLY means of reliable access to a bathroom. So he was doing his job. Nothing more, nothing less. Doubtful that anything was pre-planned.
Dawn, the evidence revealed by the District Attorney suggests that it's impossible to say what happened in the restroom, and our conjecture, speculation and surmise won't advance the issue. The overall impression left was of two morally free agents engaging in drunken sex play, at least to some degree, on the evening in question.
To suggest she was necessarily the victim because of her sex should be insulting to women.
To suggest that he was behaving as an entitled, predatory athlete ignores the fact that she likely would not have been chasing after a twenty-year male fellow student with the same passion she employed to chase after this nationally famous athlete.
Excerpt from Wendy Murphy:
Groups like “Men Against Sexism” and “mencanstoprape.org” understand the important role of males in prevention and are being embraced as leaders in the fight against sexual violence.
And men were very much in charge recently at Donald Trump’s Mar-A-Lago estate in Palm Beach where hundreds of well-heeled guys stepped up to support the Alexa Foundation.
One of the most influential names in news – Bill O’Reilly – sat alongside one of the wealthiest guys in the nation – Donald Trump. Even an athletic giant from the Super Bowl-winning New Orleans Saints – Heath Evans – showed up.
And they didn’t just make an appearance. They came to a cocktail reception, and stayed for dinner. O’Reilly donated his time to give a speech – and both Trump and O’Reilly gave big personal cash donations to the foundation.
It was like a fancy golf game where, between shots on an award-winning course, influential guys talk about working together to broker a new business deal – only this time, it was influential guys talking about working together to prevent sexual violence.
Wendy Murphy is a leading victims rights advocate and nationally recognized television legal analyst. She is an adjunct professor at New England Law in Boston. She can be reached at wmurphy@nesl.edu. Read more of her columns at The Daily Beast .
Ah yes; Wendy Murphy. The cunt who compared the Duke Lacrosse victims to Hitler.
Also, I don't recommend Emailing her.
Father of a 20 year old..
With all due respect sir, you are in a position yourself to become a victim of an FRA. Your daughters friends may just get angry with her or want some of YOUR money and set something up against you.
I have noticed that a majority of FRA are from women about that age. Be very careful about being with your daughter's friends sir.
I would hate something like this happening even to you. You seem to trust and believe all women so you are oblivious to what they can 'do to you'. Your life would be destroyed over something you did not do at all. It happens every day sir.
CBGirl
wife of a falsely accused man
With all due respect to CBGirl, statistics show the father of the 20 year old is not likely to be accused of a false accusation, whereas his daughter is at much greater risk. His primary concern is the threat of rape to his daughter.
According to phony feminist statistics, sure. In reality the risk is far greater. At any rate, the daughter has a much lower risk of being falsely accused of rape and sent to prison for twenty years than he does; and that's way, way worse than a rape. So you're wrong, as usual.
Come on, let's hear your "statistics." We need the entertainment.
With all due respect to CBGirl, statistics show the father of the 20 year old is not likely to be accused of a false accusation, whereas his daughter is at much greater risk. His primary concern is the threat of rape to his daughter
I am sure you are concerned about the safety of your daughter. But that has nothing to do with being Falsely Accused of a crime.
You can be at work at the time of the alleged crime and still spend time in jail and end up in a messy trial with your life ruined. You have NO control over what women will do when they are pissed off and want revenge.
Young women, and men for that matter, seem to feel 'entitled'. I believe we as parents are responsible for giving our children everything while not teaching them values, morals, and honesty that our parents taught us.
Good Luck father of a 20 year old.
CBGirl
Besides -- supporting liars doesn't make the daughter safer! If she really is victimized she'll carry the baggage of false accusations with her into court, through no fault of her own (assuming that she is telling the truth).
This is the paradoxical result of holding women to a lower standard than other adults.
"However, just use some common sense and see that a 30 something guy took a drunk 20 yr into a scumy bar bathroom to have sex."
Actually, Roethlisberger is 28. He would have been 27 when this happened. So a 27yo guy doing anything with a 20yo woman is invariably some kind of sick pervert?
Yes, because women are not only equal to if not superior to men in all situations, but also not responsible for their behavior, which is clearly the purview of their male caretakers, including their five minute fuck buddies.
Women do no wrong, unless a man made them!
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