If someone were to ask me my personal opinion about the Ben Roethlisberger case -- which was in the news again yesterday because the NFL suspended Roethlisberger without pay for four-to-six games at a cost to Ben of possibly more than $3 million -- I'd tell him that I found Big Ben's behavior on the evening of March 4, 2010 to be morally repugnant.
Please understand, my opinion has precisely nothing to do with Ben's purported act of "forcing himself" on a drunken co-ed. I don't buy the "forcing himself" part of the story. I find her behavior equally morally repugnant -- and in the end, more revolting, because it is being whitewashed by treating her as a "victim" who was taken advantage of by a brutish, undeservedly privileged male.
But should Mr. Roethlisber have been suspended for actions that came to light solely because he was accused of rape? Stick with me on this one, it's longer than usual, because I'd like to hear your opinion.
I believe the evidence fairly indicates that Mr. Roethlisberger was the victim in this case. While I cannot say definitively what occurred, based on the co-ed's various accounts about what occurred, her narrative can aptly be described as a moving target. It is my suspicion that Mr. Roethlisberger was falsely accused of rape. Let's briefly recap the accuser's three statements:
First statement: "Mr. Bright, the local district attorney in charge of the case, said that 'when the accuser first approached a police officer outside the nightclub immediately after the incident, 'The police officer asked 'Did he rape you?' And her response was 'No.' Then he asked, 'Did you have sex?' And she said, 'Well, I'm not sure.' "
Second statement: This was a written statement the woman prepared not long after the incident. In this statement, she suddenly remembered having sex, but her words don't yet sound like rape. Immediately prior to allegedly having sex, she claims she told Roethlisberger the following: "'I don't know if this is a good idea,' and he said 'it's OK', he had sex with me." In that statement, she admits that earlier Ben had called her a "tease," a characterization she does not deny. Moreover, she says, Mr. Roethlisberger assured her it was OK to have sex, and there is no indication as to her reaction. She does not say she was an unwilling participant. She says he "had sex" with her -- not that he raped her.
Third Statement: This was another written statement, prepared several hours later -- after she had ample opportunity to confer at length with her sorority sisters and to hone her narrative. The actual incident was not as fresh in her mind by this time (it is well to note that based on her first statement to a police officer, the actual incident wasn't fresh in her mind even immediately after the alleged incident). The note might more accurately reflect her later discussions about the incident. In this statement, however, her memory of what occurred suddenly achieved crystal clarity. As in the second statement, she "remembers" what she didn't know immediately after the incident -- that they had sex. But unlike the second statement, here she describes a far more elaborate scenario, with critical details not noted in either of the earlier statements. And here, for the first time, the crucial wording prior to the alleged sex act is materially different, and for the first time, it sounds like rape: "Ben came back with his penis out of his pants. I told him it wasn't ok, no, we don't need to do this and I proceeded to get up and try to leave. I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom and shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me. He said it was OK. He then left without saying anything."
Is it possible the unnamed co-ed was raped? Yes. But I think it's more likely Mr. Roethlisberger was the victim of a false accusation of rape. The accuser's various statements lack credibility because they suggest the evolving narrative of a woman groping for victimhood: The accuser's (1) "No" in response to a question about whether she was raped, and her "I'm not sure" if they even had sex, later became (2) her telling Ben "I don't know if this is a good idea" before they had sex, which later became (3) her telling Ben "no, this is not OK" before they had sex that she told him she didn't want to have.
Which brings me to yesterday's suspension of Mr. Roethlisberger by the NFL. Last week, I flippantly remarked in a comment under a post on this blog that I hoped Roethlisberger was traded. One of our readers chided me that this would be punishing the victim. The reader has a point that needs to be taken seriously.
Even though we don't know to a moral certainty what happened, Mr. Roethlisberger is not only presumptively innocent of any crime, the actual facts -- in fact, the accuser's own words -- indicate he probably was falsely accused.
It can scarcely be denied that none of the other information about Mr. Roethlisberger's boorish behavior on the evening of March 4 would have come to light if it weren't for what was likely a false accusation of rape against him. Sadly, such behavior is likely typical for many professional athletes in 2010; most of them, however, are not publicly humiliated with a rape charge.
I don't know if the suspension was fair, but I do know this: this nation tolerates double standards when it comes to victimhood. If a young female athlete behaved in precisely the same way Mr. Roethlisberger behaved on the evening of March 4 but ended up being raped -- or even if she merely alleged she'd been raped -- no one would know about any of it. Her putative victimhood would serve as a mighty shield to keep her reputation unblemished. None of us would know anything about either the alleged rape, or her non-rape bad behavior. Does anyone seriously doubt that?
As regular readers of this blog know, the victim of a likely false rape claim is afforded no such protection.
Likewise, on many college campuses, when drunken young women report they've been raped, there are rules forbidding them from being charged with underage drinking. This is to encourage more women to "come forward" about the rape. One can only guess how this rule is abused: if a young woman is caught drunk, all she needs to do is throw the nearest classmate with a penis under the bus by crying "rape." She won't be charged with underage drinking even if turns out the rape claim was a lie, but the male student falsely accused of rape -- the victim -- will be charged with underage drinking if it turns out he was drinking, too.
And we know from this site that many false rape accusers are not named in the newspapers even after their lies are exposed. Nor are they punished, for fear of discouraging rape victims from "coming forward." (This policy, of course, also encourages more false accusers to "come forward.")
In contrast, we see time and time again on this site that men falsely accused of rape often suffer terrible consequences because of the false rape claim. A gay man in the military who didn't care to reveal to the world his sexual orientation, and thus destroy his military career, was forced to "out" himself to prove his innocence of a woman's rape claim. Men routinely lose their jobs after being falsely accused. Some men lose their businesses. Professionals, such as physicians and dentists, are destroyed by false allegations. I have first-hand knowledge of a high profile case involving a corporate president father who was falsely accused of molesting his daughters -- his board of directors completely believed him (as did the court) but quietly told him to get the story out of the news.
So I am conflicted about the Roethlisberger suspension. On the one hand, it is difficult to advocate that people should not assume personal responsibility for their actions, regardless of how those actions come to light. On the other hand, it cannot be denied that the victimization of men to false rape claims is treated as less serious, and less worthy of society's protection, than the victimization of women to rape claims, or even women's false claims of victimization to rapes that never occurred. The bottom line for me is that everyone should assume responsibility for their actions, including rape victims, but that given the double-standards that exist, the Roethlisberger suspension has left a bad taste in my mouth.
Robert Franklin weighed in on the Ben Roethlisberger four-to-six game suspension with his usual reasonableness: "Is Roethlisberger's punishment appropriate? Who knows? What's appropriate is what's required to impress on the men who play the game that they're not like everyone else - that they'll be held to a higher standard of behavior than just about anyone else. And if someone doesn't like that setup, there's a long line of guys who'd just love to take his place."
Robert also cited an article by Jason Whitlock of Fox Sports in which Mr. Whitlock noted: "But the ugly truth is Ben isn't all that different from a lot of guys and girls who use alcohol as their aphrodisiac of choice." Mr. Whitlock cites an e-mail he received from a former sorority president and current advisor to a sorority:
"She warned me that the media were being foolish for believing the allegations of drunken 20-somethings. She explained what she'd witnessed firsthand as a student and what she now deals with as an advisor.
"Some young women use alcohol as an excuse to be sexually aggressive at fraternity houses and nightclubs and then quickly concoct a story of sexual assault when confronted by their disapproving peers. Most of these allegations never make it to police headquarters. The allegations are too sketchy and the accuser's immediate jury of peers reject them.
"'I don't believe a bunch of hammered sorority girls in this situation,' the former sorority president wrote. 'I've seen too much bad behavior amongst them. It's all about having fun and then making sure you're not held accountable and your reputation is still good.'"
Robert Franklin adds this: "Read that last remark again, and remember it, particularly the part about 'making sure you're not held accountable.' There's a whole industry that's grown up around campus rape and violence that takes every allegation leveled at a man to be true regardless of facts, regardless of circumstances. That's the Duke Lacrosse hoax in a nutshell."
It's Duke, and it's Hofstra, and a thousand others. And that brings me back to my principal point. Mr. Roethlisberger is forced to assume responsibility for his actions because he is male. We need to stop treating women as infants and insist that they take responsibility for their actions as well. There will never be true equality between the sexes until we start applying the same rules to everyone.
Thursday, April 22, 2010
Ben Roethlisberger must accept the consequences of his actions because he is male
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Off-topic and scary
http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2010/04/you-can-be-a-sex-offender-without-having-sex.html
"Monday, April 12, 2010
You can be a sex offender without having sex
Some states treat "false imprisonment" -- holding someone against their will -- as an offense that can put someone on the sex-offender registry. In some cases, that make sense, if the attacker holds a rape victim prisoner, for example. But there are some cases where the false imprisonment doesn't involve sex whatsoever, but the people convicted still must register as sex offenders. Stateline has a roundup of a few cases.
What you might not know: Under the Adam Walsh Act, ALL states will have to treat false imprisonment as a crime worthy of registry status.
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Mr. Whitlock cites an e-mail he received from a former sorority president and current advisor to a sorority - "Some young women use alcohol as an excuse to be sexually aggressive at fraternity houses and nightclubs and then quickly concoct a story of sexual assault when confronted by their disapproving peers. Most of these allegations never make it to police headquarters."
Dawn,
I light of the things you've previously posted WRT knowing of other college aged woman who claim that school officials forced them into silence about having been raped, I do hope you're reading this.
This women knows, first-hand, that college women often concoct accounts of rape for their peers who disapprove of their behaviors (ranging from disapproving of their excessive drinking, their sexual aggressiveness, their choosing to have drunken sex, and, to no small measure, their choice in sexual partners). Women who routinely deal with college-age women know quite well how college women really behave.
And, frankly, it's not just college woman drinking (taking drugs) and "trolling" for sex. Even high school-aged girls are doing the same thing. In the jurisdiction where my wife is a prosecutor, when they deal under-aged "victims", a normal part of their investigation is to search for that "victims" social-networking information. It is surprising the number of "victims" who have shared (via Facebook, etc.) their drinking, their drug use, and their sexual experiences.
My wife once prosecuted a case in which a teenage girl has sex with a 21-year old guy, lying to him that she was 18 (she was 15, if I recall), after he bought alcohol for her.
In the course of the investigation, her web page was found to contain her telling her readers that she was looking for an older guy who could buy her alcohol and who she could have sex with. She went looking for sex, she lied about her true age, and she used purposefully used alcohol as aphrodisiac for sex (she admitted as much).
Statutorily, the man was guilty of rape - but was allowed to plead to a lesser sentence due to her aggressive role. Small consolation for a man who now is on the sex-offender registry.
In this latest case with Ben Roethlisberger, there are numerous parallels. Women looking for someone to get them access to alcohol, and sexually suggestive and aggressive behaviors, of instance.
As the women who deals with sorority women tells us, it is all too common for one of them to try to explain her behaviors as having been raped. In this case, it almost seems as though it wasn't so much the women in question who re-imagined it as rape as it was her sorority sisters who were driving that bus.
I'm not trying to be mean towards Dawn or other false-rape apologists posting here; I'd just hope that you'll be willing to be more open-minded about the true nature of young women, and why FRA's might be common among them.
Regret, rape, they both begin with R, close enough. THE DEARS ARE PAW.
The bottom line is - a MORALS clause was signed by "The Victim" here, and he did not adhere to it.
If it was too much to expect "The Victim" to behave publicly in the manner required by his very benevelent employer, he should not have agreed to sign it.
"The Victim" got off with a very light sentence when that aspect is taken into consideration.
If there is an example of a woman behaving immorally after signing a morals clause - and getting an even lighter sentence or no sentence - then I agree. Ben is "The Victim" because he is male.
I happen to believe if he weren't a big time ball player, he would be in jail right now, with no due process rights.
While I disagree with the suspension because it makes Roethlisberger look guilty for more than the reasons given, the NFL is a private business that is more concerned about how they look.
Anonymous said...
Off-topic and scary
This is VERY revelant for FRAs - the same laws and due process rights that are being sidmantled in the name of 'saving children' are now seeping into 'saving women' territory as well.
Everyone is repulsed by the thought of child molesters - to the degree they turn off all reason and sensibility.
Instead of being alarmed at the shredding of Constitutional rights of the accused (and make no doubt, there are PLENTY of FRAs on THAT playground) most simply nob and agree "something must be done", even though that 'something' is removing Constitutional protections.
As always, it comes home to roost - what was once 'protecting children' is now 'protecting victims', and we all know who the 'victims' are.
...and when they came for me, there was no one left to speak up......
Who is being "Empowered" when these Rape hysteria mob marches take place??
Look at the composition of the crowd at these mob/ Rapelynch rallies, and you will see an overwhelming percentage of LGBT, and gender/ Raunch community.
History will note their rise to power was by using faulty and inflamatory missinformation to asurp the irrational power and control that comes from a Rape/lynch mob mentality.
Pay attention to who is really being "Empowered" here.
While some Laws are based on Morality, the two are separate entities.
Many people find the though of two men having sex with other to be both morally repugnant and physically revolting.
But it is not illegal.
QED
Is it possible the unnamed co-ed was raped? Yes.
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Is it possible she was raped? No it isn't, and the medical report proves it. Furthermore, there is no need to speculate about this, because SHE NEVER ACCUSED HIM OF RAPE, not even in her third (most likely manufactured) statement to police. She says only that they had sex after he assured that it was okay, never that he ordered her to take off her clothes or have sex following some threat.
This was a non-rape accusation, from a woman who was obviously afraid of being accused of filing a false police report.
And Ben Roethlisberger definitely should not be punished; he has been given a raw deal.
Ridiculously, one of the excuses for penalizing Ben: race! He's white and therefore must be held to a higher standard because otherwise race hustlers will accuse the league of applying a double standard.
As if he's in the same category as Michael Vick! This is the perfect example of men being divided to the detriment of all.
Karma has something for all false accusers.
I wonder if the feminists are going to push to have the law changed, so that you can go on a database for talking a woman into consensual sex.
They can call it The It's Okay Act.
Wow, what a rape accusation; she expressed hesitation and he uses the magic words IT'S OKAY and she just has to have sex with him. (That was her phrase: "then he had sex with men.")
LOL! That should read "with me."
I live in pittsburgh and you can not believe the coverage this has got here.
It's like an all day every day Big Ben hate fest.
First off from here on in I'm going to watch as little nfl as I can this is really sick what they did to Ben.
As slwerner was saying I have seen women drink and be VERY sexually aggressive. I have been on the other end of that too many times...I have actually had to pull women off of me that is how aggressive they can be. And they can always just say they were drunk if anything does not go their way.
This is worth repeating: this was not a rape or sexual assault accusation. She makes it abundantly clear that there wasn't a rape.
In her last statement, she is very clear about how she had no problem voicing her concerns about the sex; then he said "it's okay" and there was no further complaint.
She did NOT say that he took her clothes off, or coerced her physically, or threatened her. SHE NEVER CLAIMS THAT SHE WAS EVER AFRAID, EITHER.
He TALKED HER INTO SEX, The End -- and it didn't take much talkin'!
I live in pittsburgh and you can not believe the coverage this has got here.
It's like an all day every day Big Ben hate fest.
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You know, maybe he should be traded; not because of anything he's done or because of his teammates (who are also victims, in a way) but because Big Ben deserves loyalty and respect.
It makes me sick that Pitt would turn on him like this after it is revealed that he was innocent. Just look at what he's done for them!
Anon above me.
Not only has Big Ben won 2 super bowls for us in pittsburgh but he also helps out the local charities.
Now since it was found out that he messed around with a girl at a bar he is treated like the son of sam.
This has REALLY turned me off to our local media and the nfl.
They can get away with all this hate here because he is a white guy.
Jerome bettis was accused of rape back in like 2004 under similar circumstances. He later admitted having sex with a woman in his vehicle after meeting her at a bar.
Guess what the media did not even bother with it! And keep in mind he actually had sex with her.
It's a total double standard.
Most people (not the smart people on this blog) do not remember these previous stories and how they were covered...but I do!
Here is what Jerome Bettis thinks about this situation:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/04/ex-steelers-rb-jerome-bettis-its-pretty-clear-ben-roethlisberger-should-be-suspended/1
Weird!
Anon above me.
As soon as I heard jerome saying that I said to my family HE DID THE SAME THING AS BEN.
But it was no big deal when he had sex with a woman he met at a bar and he WAS accused of rape and he did admit to having sex with her.
There is another guy in the nfl that was drunk driving and KILLED a guy....you see what a non issue that is in the media.
Hey, Sports Fans!
The tactical field of of-the-field gamesmanship has been substantially altered. If your rival team has a player(s) so good that you just don't seem to have an on-the-fields answer to them, you can now forget about having to spend tens-of-millions of dollars trying to trade for them; there's a new and easy approach to neutralizing them - set them up off field.
For a relative pittance (plus, you can suggest to them they'll be a strong position to sue their "target" afterwards), you can hire women to claim that the other teams star player sexually assaulted them.
They can lure him into sex, then call the police to come get his DNA straight off their bodies to support rape charges.
Or, if he doesn't go for the sex, just accuse him of groping and making lewd comments. Two or three instance of this, and that "pattern" of off-field bad behaviors is established; and a multi-game suspension will be in order.
Given the nature of her own comments about what happened, Roethlisberger's latest accuser might have a difficult time with a civil suit. Perhaps the other teams in the AFC North should get together and send her and Andrea McNulty a few $100k each for their invaluable help in shutting down the QB that their defenses couldn't.
Just a thought.
Anon at 9:38
You can already be a registered sex offender for just peeing in public.
There are soooo many ways you would have to register and never even touched anyone.
This is the united states we incarcerate more people per capita than any other country in the world and 93-94% of them are male...and this is how we do it!
assuming Big Ben has the famous big ten inch, that bathroom BJ cost him about $300,000 an inch.
Hope it was worth it to him
Anonymous - "As soon as I heard jerome saying that I said to my family HE DID THE SAME THING AS BEN."
Having lived in the Denver, CO area for decades, I’m naturally a Broncos fan. Thus, I still have painful memories of the AFC Championship Game rout the Broncos suffered at the hands of the Roethlisberger-led Steelers.
The game started out looking good for the Broncos as they were able to completely shut-down loud-mouth, traitorous Jerome Bettis (39 total yard for the game, most of them late in the 4th quarter as the Steelers had an insurmountable lead).
But then to the horror of myself and other Broncos fans, Ben Roethlisberger single-handedly took over the game (offensively), picking the hapless Broncos secondary apart. It was truly painful to watch how easy he made it look.
For all the accolades given to him, Jerome Bettis meant 'bupkis' to the Steelers once Roethlisberger came on the scene. No wonder Bettis now turns on his former teammate (who showed him up), saying that Ben had to be suspended, despite his own shameful acts for which he got a pass. Nice!
"Not only has Big Ben won 2 super bowls for us in pittsburgh but he also helps out the local charities.
A perfect cover, and all the more reason for him to think he's beyond the law. Winning super bowls and supporting local charities do not give ANYone a free pass, not in today's world.
"A perfect cover, and all the more reason for him to think he's beyond the law. Winning super bowls and supporting local charities do not give ANYone a free pass, not in today's world."
Specifically, what law did he break? Please educate us.
He broke the moral law of feminism. He dared to seek out sex with a woman while being a man.
Frankly, Ben leads a privileged life.
For that life he has to pay dues if need be. One of those dues is to not be a dumbass.
The NFL has not only the right to force Ben to act beyond reproach but has the duty to suspend the man when he is so stupid as to put himself in the position to be falsely accused so easily.
Stay out of bars Ben. Listen to Terry Bradshaw's advice.
Right on, Chef Snark!
OK, here's a true story:
Ten minutes ago, I got into a shouting match with someone I know about this (well, I was shouting, he was stunned) -- a staunch conservative I ran into in public. Now, if you know me, you'll understand this is pretty much my usual disposition, and it startles people who don't know me well because, you know, it comes off as vicious (which it is, to be honest). This guy condemned Roehtlisberger without regard to the evidence, and that is that. I gave him a twenty second summary of the evidence, and said/bellowed/shouted -- and this is verbatim: "Now in light of that, how in the [expletive deleted] can you say what you just said?"
His response (and I kid you not): "You don't have daughters."
Did you get that?
I lost it. "Ahhh! A chivalrous man! Feminism's useful idiot! I'm disappointed in you, Fred. I'm disappointed."
assuming Big Ben has the famous big ten inch, that bathroom BJ cost him about $300,000 an inch.
Hope it was worth it to him
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Why on earth should any man have to pay a crushing fine just for having consensual sex? That's ridiculous.
If you're going to support that then why not fine HER? Unless men should be held to a higher standard than women, which is a bizarre claim.
Frankly, Ben leads a privileged life.
For that life he has to pay dues if need be. One of those dues is to not be a dumbass.
The NFL has not only the right to force Ben to act beyond reproach but has the duty to suspend the man when he is so stupid as to put himself in the position to be falsely accused so easily.
Stay out of bars Ben. Listen to Terry Bradshaw's advice.
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How is it "privileged" to earn a star quarterback position through hard work and talent? Nobody handed that to him.
There is no reason why he should be held to a higher standard than any other football player. This suspension is unprecedented, and contributes to a climate of "guilty until proven innocent."
Scratch that -- he's already been proven innocent, but he's being punished anyway! How does that work exactly?
"The NFL has not only the right to force Ben to act beyond reproach but has the duty to suspend the man when he is so stupid as to put himself in the position to be falsely accused so easily."
Yes, the NFL can pretty much do what it wants (except mount a sport that isn't a total bore except on television, with their excessive television delays). And, here, the NFL has suspended for up to six games a man who has never even been arrested, much less charged with a crime, to appease people like Fred in my previous comment. And apparently you. Feminism's useful idiots who believe Ben use Svengali-like qualities to control young women: he forces them to come onto him like sluts and to wear slutty nametags that announce they want to have sex; to engage him in sex talk; to get drunk; and then to, apparently, willingly have sex with him in a restroom.
Yes, sir. Young women, like Fred's daughters -- and probably yours -- are delicate flowers who need to protected from all the dangerous sexual predators (code word for anyone with a penis). It only takes one to tango -- the male. The young woman lacks any free moral agency.
She's the victim here, sir. That's right. And Ben got what he deserved. A girl lies about rape, and your precious NFL takes three million dollars away from him. That'll teach him!
His Svengali powers are so tremendous that he even made them follow him from one club to the next to the next.
Oh how her innocent life has been shattered! Oh Ben, you and your evil hypnotic penis!
Fred sounds like an asshole. I'd like to see what he says to the men with daughters advocating his castration when HE is falsely accused of rape.
Ben and his State Cop entourage made some bad decisions, but how did this become an international story? Ben won't see the inside of a bar for five years, no photo op's with pretty girls, autograph is worthless, dangerous even to have a New Years Eve party at his house, or go into a restaurant bathroom. I'm not sure the 3 mill is half the punishment of the loss of his identity. His best hope is to be traded to Oakland and hope he can build a champion again. Plus now the entire NFL is on "Double Secret Probation". Tim Tebow will be the new role model for all.
His response (and I kid you not): "You don't have daughters."
LMFAO
another true story.
Relative of mine, three daughters, all teenagers / late teenagers over the age of sexual maturity.
he's divorced from the mother, so some bad blood there anyway, all the girls stay with the mother, etc etc.
he said something (doesn't matter what) that annoyed me, so I decided to needle him.
"listen ***** " I said, " maybe later on tonight one of your girls is going to get together with a guy, maybe he is going to tie her up, maybe he is going to blindfold her, maybe he is going to fondle her"
***** is already starting to get angry
"...then maybe he is going to grab some object and start penetrating her..."
***** is putting his drink down, lower jaw is coming out, eyes are narrowing, breathing is changing
"...then maybe this guys friend or brother will be hidden away and videoing all this fun..."
***** is now seriously pissed, other friends and family around (big birthday bash) are starting to notice
"... then maybe a few weeks later this guy and his friend start to show other people the video, you know, just for a fucking laugh..."
***** is now literally a few seconds away from losing it
"... then maybe a few years later this guy's relative meets him at a party, and reminds him of this, only this time he points out it could be this guy's daughter instead of someone else's daughter..."
and these are the times you wish you had a camera, cause ***** had done exactly this some years before when his precious daughters were about 10, with a girl who wasn't his wife.
Take it from AfOR, men with daughters are complete fucking assholes as soon as you go anywhere near anything to do with sex.
"Take it from AfOR, men with daughters are complete fucking assholes as soon as you go anywhere near anything to do with sex."
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All men with daughters are protective, all mothers with sons are protective, if you fuck with a bears cub she will rip your asshole out. This is instinctive. It is part of nature and is not a part of a conspiracy to judge people accused of rape. The key is treat others as you would want to be treated, and remember even bears will come after you if you fuck with their cubs.
Accused rapists also deserve to be treated as any other person would want to be treated before the facts are known
http://www.fastcompany.com/1622923/washington-post-google-maps-tracking-rapist
oh dearie me
all mothers with sons are protective,
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No they're not. How many women are out there picketing because they're outraged about the torrent of false rape accusations? Zero, that's how many.
In this country, women hate men, and men hate men. Misandry is set to repeat play.
Yeah
I don't see any women holding up signs saying "cut her vagina out" in front of false rape accusers houses.
Life as a male in the united states is like having the societal worth of a rat.
President johnson said prophetically 60 years ago..he said the rape hysteria that is lynching the black man now, if left un-checked, will then lynch all men.
The Rape lynch mob is now dominated by perverts who despise hetreo-sexuals.
Rape hysteria is no longer about "protecting women", it is now about the "POWER AND CONTROL" it gives the gender/Raunch community.
Afor finally said something that I agree with ... it'll probably never happen again.
Pierce, it must have taken all the self-control you have not to punch Fred's lights out!
I am never surprised at just how selfish and narrow-minded people can be when it comes to these things. If something does not affect them or their family personally, they could not give a damn. Hey, who cares if other people's lives and families are destroyed? Who cares if someone else's son is falsely accused, imprisoned or driven to suicide? Not me. So long as my little comfortable white bread existence remains intact, and Daddy's precious daughters are safe, that is all that matters. It is a worldview often described as amoral familism or 'beggar thy neighbor'.
The other thing about the Fred's of the world is that they are too dumb and short-sighted to even see that the policies they advocate will not really help their daughters in the long run. Does he think that young men who have been marginalized and disfranchised to such an extent are likely to marry his daughters or look out for them? You know Fred, one day you will be a frail old man. If there is an invasion of, oh I dunno, Muslim fundamentalists, then you had better hope that there are enough guys left with a reason to give a shit about women. Otherwise Daddy's little girls will be spreading their legs for worse types than Ben Roethlisberger.
"In this country, women hate men, and men hate men. Misandry is set to repeat play."
*****
I guess this means only the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people are having a good time.
So long as my little comfortable white bread existence remains intact, and Daddy's precious daughters are safe, that is all that matters. It is a worldview often described as amoral familism or 'beggar thy neighbor'.
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A very interesting point! The mentality we're seeing is a deformed, tunnel-vision form of familism.
Meanwhile, family values in the United States are weaker than almost anywhere else, because the husband/father has been defined as the potential criminal/expandable member of the household, instead of being the leader. To promote REAL familism -- a universal familism that goes beyond your front lawn -- you need to bring back dads and husbands, and men in general. This means that men need to have real rights, not just the illusion of rights.
As the last poster mentioned, in the long term young women are going to need the good men that are produced by a more patriarchal society. To grow up with good values and characters boys need fathers, but no man is going to want to be a father so long as the status of men is so low.
Anonymous said...
all mothers with sons are protective,
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No they're not. How many women are out there picketing because they're outraged about the torrent of false rape accusations? Zero, that's how many.
In this country, women hate men, and men hate men. Misandry is set to repeat play.
Apr 22, 2010 7:01:00 PM
1) Not true. Look at Falserape.net and maybe help contribute some money to this mother's billboard campaign.
2) Mothers who publicly protest their son's innocence will only succeed in making the situation worse for their sons.
Think about it.
Falserape.netThis website has been created by a concerned mother to increase awareness that women often make false rape charges, destroy the lives and reputations of ...
www.falserape.net/ -
Someone give this mother a hand!
I stand corrected!
"President johnson said prophetically 60 years ago..he said the rape hysteria that is lynching the black man now, if left un-checked, will then lynch all men.
The Rape lynch mob is now dominated by perverts who despise hetreo-sexuals."
It would be nice if this person would learn how to spell and get their historical facts straight. They seem to post this stuff repeatedly on this blog and it makes them look really stupid (and undermines the value of this site to casual readers).
His response (and I kid you not): "You don't have daughters."
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Ah, I get it now! Your friend is a postmodern moral relativist who believes there is no such thing as objective truth, only different perspectives of reality.
You see there is no such thing as objective guilt or innocence. That is, does the evidence suggest that an alleged offence actually happened or not? The whole concept of guilt or innocence is merely a subjective mental construct that is in the eye of the beholder. In Fred's eyes, any man who glances a look at his daughter is guilty of every unspeakable crime imaginable, and should be locked away for life.
The NFL has raped Ben Roethlisberger. After the announcement of his suspension and mandatory "therapy" everybody in the world thinks he is guilty -- Steelers fans even chanted "SHE SAID NO!" at the draft!
This is why you NEVER, EVER, EVER punish the victim of a false rape accusation. This has nothing to do with the truth!
Gender feminists are the main instrument for cultivating the matriarchal underclass of uneducated male laborers.
You see not all patriarchies are being "Broken" equally.
The FBI's 1996 Uniform Crime Report states that 8% of reports of forcible rape were determined to be unfounded upon investigation.
This is only 8% of the less than 10% of rapes that are actually reported to police.
I hope you don't have a wife, or a sister(s), or a daugter(s). There's (unfortunately) a very high chance, in our society, that this will happen to one of them, and you're advocating for the wrong people.
Only 8% of rapes are reported? Bullshit. And it doesn't even matter; if the rapes aren't reported that is entirely the fault of those who choose not to report them.
Stop rationalizing false accusations by using the red herring of unreported rapes. The US has the highest incarceration rate for rape on the face of the earth! I am not here to be collateral damage in your little war on rape.
If they are unreported then you can't know if they exist.
Because you are just taking someones word without any investigation.
Look this is really easy. I have never been raped but if you asked me I could say I was raped 50 times last week alone and it means nothing because I have no proof.
I can also say I got abducted my aliens and can talk to the dead.....and none of it is true but I can say it.
I have known such liars in my life that I need to have something other than someones WORD that something happened.
If you have read the news lately it looks like oprah the queen of rape may have even made up her rape stories according to her relatives.
Dude's on the downside of the athletic prowess bell-curve, and pulling all kinds of stupid stunts lately...Not a good thing.
Doesn't bode well.
Too many star jocks never get a clue with everything else they're handed in academia; it bights you in the @$$ hard at some point.
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