We often point out the extreme and irremediable reputational harm often visited on those falsely accused of rape and sexual assault. The fact of the matter is, reputational harm from a false rape claim often bleeds over onto the falsely accused man's employer, and such employers typically don't tolerate that.
The New York Times reports that two time Super Bowl quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is in trouble with the NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell.
Let's recap for those who haven't followed this closely. Mr. Roethlisberger was sued civilly last year by a woman who claims he raped her. Recently, he was accused by a 20-year-old of sexually assaulting her, and that case is under investigation.
Mr. Goodell could have used the Roethlisberger incident as an occasion to keep his mouth shut until the investigation is concluded, and thereby affirm one of our nation's most cherished principles -- innocent until proven guilty -- but instead chose to make a comment that squarely placed the blame on someone who might just be a victim. Mr. Goodell, the Times reports, "made clear Monday that he was unhappy with the conduct of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who is under police investigation for an alleged sexual assault of a 20-year-old college student in a Georgia bar."
What "conduct" was that, Mr. Goodell? Being accused by a 20-year-old woman, about whom no one knows anything? Being under investigation? What exactly did Mr. Roethlisberger do that was illegal? What exactly did Mr. Roethlisberger do that was wrong?
Goodell continues: “We take the issue very seriously. We are concerned Ben continues to put himself in this position.”
What "position" was that, Mr. Goodell? Seriously?
The NFL, like similar business entities, has an interest in keeping its reputation from being sullied by the persons who are supposed to represent it. I get it. Honestly, I get it. Most workers in the United States are at-will employees who can be fired at any time, for any nondiscriminatory reason, or for no reason at all. It is for this reason that the falsely accused are usually fired at the mere whiff of an accusation, and not rehired. Employers typically don't want to take a chance that they are employing a rapist, no matter how remote the possibility.
Even if an employee has a contract restricting the company's right to terminate at-will, companies can reserve the right to discharge even non-at-will employees for conduct they find objectionable because of the reputational harm it engenders. "Morals clauses" and the like have long been standard fare for certain types of contracts, allowing the company to discharge someone for merely being involved in conduct that brings the company into public disrepute. Example: in Galaviz v. Post-Newsweek Stations, 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 59603 (W.D. Texas 2009), a television field reporter in Texas was terminated, because, the court explained: ". . . [T]he undisputed evidence was that Plaintiff was involved in three incidents involving domestic disputes. At least two incidents received significant publicity in the local media. In news articles about the incidents, Plaintiff was identified as KSAT's police beat reporter. Plaintiff's journalistic ethics were questioned. Video images of Plaintiff being led in handcuffs into the magistrate's office were publicized. . . . Plaintiff was involved in situations or occurrences which brought Plaintiff into public disrepute or scandal. Grounds thus existed for terminating Plaintiff pursuant to the morals clause, and good cause existed for terminating Plaintiff prior to the expiration of the three-year term of the employment contract."
The fact is, even passive involvement -- involvement that is not your fault -- can legitimately get you fired, whether you are at-will, or have a written contract with a typical "morals" clause. It doesn't matter that you were just an unlucky person who found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And isn't that the very definition of a false rape claim? As we have illustrated on this site in innumerable ways, innocent men and boys are often thrust into false rape situations that they could neither have foreseen nor prevented. What neither Mr. Goodell nor (heaven forbid) The New York Times bothered to point out is that there is a real possibility that Mr. Roethlisberger was falsely accused, and that there was nothing he could do to prevent it aside from not associating with women he doesn't know well without a video camera in operation or witnesses (preferably some women, because the police don't seem to believe the word of an accused man's male friends). It is possible that Mr. Roethlisberger is being targeted for pecuniary gain, as in "shake-down." His first accuser apparently never sought criminal charges but went straight for the pocketbook with a civil action. His second accuser did make a police report, but her family also hired two civil litigators.
I don't know what happened, and neither does Mr. Goodell. While we would hope that the NFL will stand back and not discipline someone who might be a victim, it is well to remember that the NFL is clearly an innocent victim, whether Mr. Roethlisberger is or not. The NFL had no control over Mr. Roethlisberger's actions, but its reputation is being sullied by the claim.
As false rape claims become more and more of a problem, it would be wonderful if no one's reputation was sullied -- the male accused or his employer -- unless and until there is a conviction and a lot more than "he said/she said" allegations. The reputational harm from a rape claim to both the accused and his employer arises because people, in the dark corners of their hearts, at least on some level, believe the accuser. That is the real problem here. Is it any wonder? For the past 30 years or more, we have been subjected to the incessant, mind-numbing tom-tom of the vile feminist lie that women don't lie about rape. Here, Mr. Roethlisberger has been accused twice. There is little chance of his reputation surviving this double-whammy intact.
But let us hope that Mr. Goodell exercises a wait-and-see restraint before disciplining Mr. Roethlisberger.
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Big Ben admitted that he did something sexual with this woman in the bathroom.
All you have to do is be alone with a woman and how are you to prove that she is lying???
Big Ben gets his name and reputation trashed while she gets to remain anonymous and will stay anonymous.
I live in Pittsburgh and this story was like the entire local newscast. I don't believe this woman. And I think these rape shield laws need repealed. She should be named or neither should be named.
"Big Ben" basically fucked up big style after the 1st FRA.
He fucked up by NOT using his wealth, his media position and his experiences to take his accuser to Court and pursue her until her only future was a lifetime of penury.
Having NOT done this, like all other rich an famous people, you just make yourself a target for more.
ten/twenty years ago it was "this is your baby"
nowadays it is "I own you" FRA.
I cannot stress this enough.
The ONLY way to respond to someone who declares nuclear war on you is to give them exactly what they want, a genocidal merciless war of attrition.
Afor
On his first accusation they recovered e-mails from his accuser withing like 2 hours of the alleged "rape" and she was happy and bragging about things.
Then in other e-mails she says she is going to marry Big Ben.
But this is not enough to prove she is lying I guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She should be serving 20 to life.
"He fucked up by NOT using his wealth, his media position and his experiences to take his accuser to Court and pursue her until her only future was a lifetime of penury."
Correction -- he did exactly that. He filed a counterclaim to her action, which, in the US, is the procedure we follow that allows defendants who are sued to file their own claim arising from the original claim's common nucleus of operative facts. So, yes, he has a lawsuit filed against her, which will be adjudicated at the same time her cause of action against him is adjudicated.
I commend the way that suit is being handled by Ben's attorneys -- they are being very aggressive.
Roger Goodell ought to deal with things that are verifiable instead of blaming the victim.
Anon at 10:20: Let's assume she made a false claim: the NFL is also a victim because it's reputation is being besmirched by this claim. As between Ben and the NFL, Ben had more ability to prevent it (e.g., live like a monk, I suppose). I agree with you, it's not fair to Ben. But it's also not fair to the NFL. And the real problem is that these claims ought to be anonymous and society ought to have greater maturity than to assume every rape claim is true.
@ Archivist, thanks for that correction.
notable is it not that until you told me, I was unaware of this, clearly it is not being reported on at all...
QED
Gender feminist rape hysteria which gives them unchallenged cultural power; is only tempered with a dose of truth. But when those that would give us the truth " THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY" have also been hijacked by this perversion to the degree they no longer can tell us the truth...then this leads to the massive perversion juggernaut America is now engaged in.
This is a case the ACLU should take up, But the ACLU is now dominated by upperwhite middle class homosexuals who's only concern seems to be "forwarding" their homosexual agenda.
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/rape-trial-judge-orders-not-guilty-verdict-over-tampered-evidence-451084.html
Archivist - "As between Ben and the NFL, Ben had more ability to prevent it (e.g., live like a monk, I suppose). I agree with you, it's not fair to Ben."
From what I understand, Ben went to this club with his entourage, and had a private room. The women who has accused him, was one of many clamoring to get into the private room, seeking to get some of Ben's attention. She was photographed with her arms wrapped around him, smiling from ear-to-ear shortly before the alleged incident.
For that point, it is alleged that Ben pushed her into a womens restroom, and engaged in some sexual "horse-play", perhaps groping her. During this, she apparently fell, and was injured.
She left the restroom, apparently under her own power, and met with her friends, and then went to the police station to file her complaint.
Now, as others have noted (MarkyMark, in particular), Roethlisberger is not the sort of guy who would need to "force" himself on any women. If a given women was not interested, he'd have his pick amongst many others who were.
What I see as likely to have happened is that she started out quite willingly in the sexual horse-play, but after falling and being injured, she became angry at Ben, perhaps baling her for her fall. Ben was perhaps indifferent to her pain (and, possibly, humiliation), and their consensual interlude ended abruptly, leaving her angry.
She then told her friends about what had happened, and, being college women, there was at leas tone hyper-vigilant gender-feminist in their ranks, who was more than happy to advise her that if Roethlisberger had touched her in any sexualized way, she could charge him with sexual assault, and get some measure of revenge - not to mention a possible "pay day". And, you can imagine the rest....
Once again, this is just my speculation. But, I think it would well explain an otherwise curious situation, in which a highly prized alpha-male, who could have his sexual pick of willing women, would end up accused of a relatively minor offense (certainly no woman would likely be charged for such groping of either a man not another women - and they do do just such things quite regularly in clubs all over the world).
Roethlisberger fires back with countersuit
The other thing, slwerner, is that, as we reported on this site after the first claim, Ben was shaken to the core by the previous rape allegation. He opened up to a reporter -- about the exact moment he was served (the kind of thing people remember for traumatic events), about the shame of facing people after it, etc. I think there is a common perception that he's just an arrogant jock who thinks he can do what he wants. Clearly that's not the case. The first claim left him near tears. He is not a stupid man, and he would certainly have his antennae raised (among other things) to these sorts of women. My guess is, he didn't misread anything. He's been through too much to misread anything. I could be wrong, but this one smells fishy to me.
What are men/boys to do now that the law enforcement has been so perverted by gender feminism..that it no longer protects the innocent from false rape accusations???
Are the innocent supposed to take the law into their own hands??, If the law enforcement whose duty it is to protect the innocent, get so ??perverted?? that they no longer protect the innocent, Is it not the job of un-perverted Americans to toss the deviants overboard and rebuild our law enforcement on a more sound foundation.
From the article linked by AfOR about a woman claiming her ex-partner raped her - "
A forensic examination of the panties showed they had been cut “mechanically” with a blade and then torn the rest of the way. This view was backed up by two more forensics scientists."
[snip]
"...the tidiness of the room following the rape was not consistent with a struggle and the contact between the accused and the woman following the allegations was also a cause for concern."
What is very surprising to me is that this case even reached trial. The key evidence in a "he said/she said" had been judged by three experts to have been fabricated, and yet the prosecutor and/or accuser still wished to proceed? The judge made the right call in not even risking that the jury might still find him guilty.
Of course, from the POV of rape-hysteric gender-feminists this will be but one more instance of a rapist getting away with it, despite the evidence that it was "staged" as a act of revenge. And, of course, more of their whining about the low conviction rate (relative to the number of initial claims).
Womens hysteria is one thing, hystera = hysteria..but when it becomes part of a legal system..It then becomes a perversion.
some of the comments here remember me that these men who still let the falsely accused innocent go in prison on just a womens word and still don't realize that they should change the law more apropiately.
Are just as evil and probably think huh got rid of one man,more women for me.
Law enforcement does not care about the innocent, they care only about convictions, sensationalism and media attention.
I would like to know of one place that doesn't have corrupt cops, I will move there.
Look at Texas now, they are getting ready to execute a man who has always claimed his innocence. They have DNA that could prove his innocence but they refuse to test it. This man will be killed tomorrow and there is a shadow of a doubt that he didn't do it. But good for Texas for killing another man!!! (<--insert sarcasm)
CBGirl
@CBGirl
Testing the DNA is a great idea, except that the forensics labs in Texas have had serious problems with backlogs and outright fabrication of data and results in the past.
http://www.johntfloyd.com/blog/2009/11/29/texas-forensic-science-commission-lacks-credibility/
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/05/31/048/65291
http://truthinjustice.org/inside-labs.htm
http://injusticeanywhere.blogspot.com/2005/06/drylabbing.html
http://www.hpdlabinvestigation.org/
It makes me fear for anyone that is the subject of: a criminal investigation, trial, imprisonment, or execution in Texas.
Re: the Texas case. Not testing is like having a box that contains a note identifying the real killer, but deciding, "Naaah. Who wants to bother opening the box."
Hey, maybe just for fun, after they kill the prisoner, they can look inside the box. Tee hee hee.
That they haven't done this testing already is sick.
Imagine if the alleged victim were told that she had to come into her manager's office and make all kinds of statements that might hurt her in the media and in court. In this country we would consider that to be unfair, but think nothing of what Goodell is doing to Roethlisberger.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/03/23/2627282/isnt-a-mans-life-worth-an-extra.html
"Why is the state so adamant about not doing it?
Do we permit Texas to make a possible deadly mistake without even trying to learn the whole truth?
It seems almost ironic that Gov. Rick Perry came to Fort Worth on Friday with a freshly issued pardon for a man who was wrongly convicted of raping a Texas Tech student in 1985.
Tim Cole, who was exonerated by DNA testing last year, was not there to receive his pardon - his mother accepted for him. The test that proved his innocence came too late for Cole. He died in prison while serving a 25-year sentence for that wrongful conviction.
Cole's family fought hard and long to clear his name and has worked tirelessly for legislation that would help keep such miscarriages of justice from happening. A state advisory panel on wrongful convictions was named in his honor.
I was with Cole's family Friday afternoon as his mother, Ruby Session, along with Cole's sister and five brothers accepted the pardon.
After Perry's visit, Session took the governor's pardon to her son Tim - at his grave.
Session has said no other family should have to go through such an ordeal, especially when DNA testing could have proved a defendant's innocence."
fiat justitia ruat caelum
And for that man to die in prison for a crime he didn't commit is hundreds of times worse than the rape that (mistakenly) sent him there. Instead of one victim the system created two, and did something far worse than what had already been done. All because we don't give innocent men the legal protections that are necessary to prevent these injustices.
By the way, back to Roethliberger: I hate how these celebrity rape cases give the public the impression that you can just bounce back after being falsely accused of rape. For example, David Copperfield was dragged through the mud, but now can resume his career.
It isn't like that when you're an average victim who doesn't have tens of millions of dollars and a vast network of social support to draw upon, like Kobe Bryant. For the average man falsely accused of rape there is never any justice and life never returns to normal.
What the NFL has acomplished is making it more attractive to falsely accuse it's members.
After all - they are siding with the accuser without proof. Other women will see this as an open invitation to cash in.
I disagree with MarkyMark about BIGBEN not 'needing' to rape a woman.
Men don't rape because their access to women is limited. There are scores of lonely isolated men who would never dream of raping a woman. Lack of women is not a common trait of a rapist.
The Max Factor heir (can't recall hsi name right now, Dog the Bounty Hunter caught) did not 'need' to rape women either, with his good looks and wealth.
He just liked to rape.
Married men rape. Ted Bundy raped then went home to his girlfriend.
A man who has been falsely accused before yet finds his way into a woman's restroom for some whatever reason isn't exercising due precaution.
He's a rich NFL guy. He doesn't need to do it in women's bathrooms.
It's a shame he did't video the incident.
Rapists are just garden variety criminals. Anyone who commits crimes on a regular basis can become a rapist. Statistics strongly support this view, since when rapists offend again they normally commit a crime other than rape.
Therefore, it makes tremendous sense to be highly suspicious of a rape accusation against a man with no criminal history. But try telling that to our feminist-brainwashed law enforcement structure.
Anon at 3:41: you are well versed in this area.
Also, it really isn't very logical to make sweeping generalizations about something, and then to use isolated cases as proof of those generalizations. Statistics are proof; anecdotes are not.
Archivist: unfortunately.
By the way, the cases presented above involve either serial rapists or serial killers (Bundy was both).
But serial rapists are exceedingly rare; almost non-existent. Most rapes are committed by men who are more likely to be involved in crimes other than rape if they are ever released from prison.
Any discussion of this should be founded on a recognition of these facts, and not on media-driven stereotypes about rampaging serial raping and killing men, who according to feminists are doing it to keep women down (and not for the same reasons they commit other crimes).
I don't live in the United States and so I am not that familiar with this case, but from what I can see it looks like a giant crock of shit.
If any guy pursued an unwilling woman into the women's bathroom in a crowded venue, there would be no shortage of witnesses and people to raise the alarm and the guy would be lucky to get out of there safely.
The only situation where I can imagine a woman being sexually assaulted by a man in the woman's bathroom is if there weren't many people around, a guy sees a woman go in there and makes an opportunistic attack.
In normal circumstances, the only reason a man would follow a woman into the bathroom like that is that she has invited him in for some action.
"serial rapists are exceedingly rare; almost non-existent."
I don't know about the NFL, but studies have shown that college rapists are often times repeat offenders (serial rapists).
In Roethlisberger's case, certainly more evidence is needed.
". . . studies have shown that college rapists are often times repeat offenders (serial rapists)."
The fact is, the purported "studies" are invalid. We can only be reasonably certain that very few college rape claims were actual rapes. The sexual grievance industry assumes, without any basis, that every claim, plus multiple purportedly unresported claims, were actual rapes. Their claims are ridiculous in the extreme. Is that to say there are NO college serial rapists? No. But they are few and far between.
What exactly did Mr. Roethlisberger do that was illegal?
Being born the wrong sex and possessing a x chromosome. Being a male is a major crime in the U.S.
The Max Factor heir, Andrew Luster, didn't just rape women. He drugged them first so their bodies would resemble corpses. That's what turned him on.
To Anon 2:48:00 PM
Please give the Cole family my love and hope for continued justice. I hope they sue Texas and PERRY for this criminal injustice on the entire family!!!
CBGirl
"But serial rapists are exceedingly rare; almost non-existent. Most rapes are committed by men who are more likely to be involved in crimes other than rape if they are ever released from prison."
Except that contradicts everything we know about the pathology of rape, and criminology in general. Whatever causes a rapist to rape isn't going to apply to only one victim. Putting aside crimes of desperation, what's exceedingly rare is the car thief who has stolen only one car, the prostitute who turned a single trick, and so forth. And there is nothing to be gained by committing rape. It can't support someone's drug habit, or buy designer shoes. It's about hurting people. Predators are predatory by nature.
The decrease in recidivism of sexual assault is not evidence that most of the actual offenders are not serial offenders, or that the penal system is effective at rehabilitation, but rather that the false conviction rate has increased.
To put it another way, serial rapists are rare because rapists are rare. It does not mean that most rapists are not serial rapists.
"Any discussion of this should be founded on a recognition of these facts, and not on media-driven stereotypes about rampaging serial raping and killing men, who according to feminists are doing it to keep women down (and not for the same reasons they commit other crimes)."
Well, I agree the feminist theory that rapists are working as political agents of an evil patriarchy to oppress women is complete nonsense. So is their idea of "date rape" -- that "normal" men will commit rape just to get sex. Like almost all other criminals, rapists try to hide their identity to keep from being caught. An actual rapist -- a violent criminal who uses force or the threat of harm to sexually violate others -- is unlikely to rape an acquaintance for the same reason a burglar is unlikely to leave a note with his name and address. However, those who commit violent stranger rape are likely to commit more violent stranger rape for the same reasons they did it the first time.
"The fact is, the purported "studies" are invalid. We can only be reasonably certain that very few college rape claims were actual rapes."
Exactly.
Hey wait a minute! When I was in college, campus rape activists told me that a woman would never ever, ever, ever lie about rape!
They lied to me!
Follow the money.
As president johnson said in his state of the union address some 60 years ago. " The rape hysteria, and klan mentality that now lynches the Negro man will soon lynch all men if it is left to fester like cancer that it is"
10:18, you never had the grades nor the SATs to get you into ANY college.
Yeah, and we all know what a respected man LBJ was.
Pierce
I thought you were from Pennsylvania I just didn't know what part.
I was wondering how that bill was going that would make false rape claims a felony in Pennsylvania?
I read about it on here a while back.
In our local newspaper today the front page says that no DNA at all was found on the girl that is accusing Ben!
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