Saturday, March 6, 2010

I stumbled across a blog talking about the Ben Roethlisberger accusation

First, I took issue with some of the commentators who seemed to assume his guilt: Comment 35: Pierce H. Says: How many of these guys have to be falsely accused of rape before you all stop assuming they’re guilty based on nothing more than the say so of some anonymous woman and before a scrap of evidence is admitted at trial? Remember Jerome Bettis? We won’t even mention that lacrosse team that was hung out to dry for a year (by a D.A. who was disbarred and a woman who was just arrested for attempted murder). But by all means, go ahead — rush to judgment, blame the guy who might just be the victim here, and convict him in the court of last resort, the blogosphere. Because some women nobody knows anything about, accused him. Pathetic!

Among others, commentator Jen in Comment 68 said this: You say we shouldn’t rush to judgement against Ben based on a lone accusation, but this isn’t a lone accusation. This is the second accusation. Why don’t we see the same multiple accusations against other high-profile athletes? With a pattern of accusations forming, it makes you wonder. I am not saying I think he’s guilty, I’m just saying that you have to consider the fact he might be guilty, and not dismiss his accuser as a “whore” or “slut” outright.

I agree that the evidence that has been made public in the first accusation (never filed a criminal complaint, waited over a year, friends who said she told them it was consensual, etc.) doesn’t seem to substantiate the woman’s claim. However, the circumstances of this accusation are different (immediate reporting to police and immediate medical treatment).

Then, me again, in comment 80: It is simply not fair to make any assumptions about the accused or the accuser here. But it is well to note that this nation has a long and shameful history of rushing to judgment based on an accusation and assuming men and boys committed rape when it later turned out they didn’t. The reputational harm they suffer often destroys their lives. If Ben Roethlisberger were your father, son, husband, boyfriend, or brother, you’d want everyone to treat him as exactly what he is — presumed innocent.

Let’s take Jen’s astounding refutation of my comment: “. . . but this isn’t a lone accusation. This is the second accusation.” Aside from making me want to bang my head against the wall, I would add this: yes, Jen, we now have a second accusation — in a wholly separate, distinct case. The first was an accusation in a civil, not a criminal, case about which you, yourself, said “the evidence that has been made public in the first accusation . . . doesn’t seem to substantiate the woman’s claim.” Yet you are content to take that admittedly shaky accusation which has not resulted in even an adjudication of civil liability, coupled with this one about which NONE OF US knows anything about, to find a “pattern of accusations forming.” The dark and sinister innuendo concocted from such a weak brew is breathtaking.

I note in passing that the Scottsboro Boys had a “pattern” of accusations against them, too. Theirs is among one of the most shameful injustices in our history. Gerald Amirault also had a “pattern” of accusations against him — the palpable injustices against him in Massachusetts became a campaign issue in the recent election where the Democrats lost John and Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat.

But you need not go back very far if you’re searching for atrocities when it comes to false rape claims; you just need to recall recent news stories, which are reported in hushed tones because it’s a subject too politically incorrect to talk about out loud: The testimony of a false accuser in New York sent an innocent man to prison for a twenty year term based on no other evidence than her say so. Finally, the false accuser found religion, recanted, and he was released after four years of — you guessed it — the worst kind of prison atrocities. She was sentenced last week to three years in prison and landed on the front page of the New York Post.

This week, a serial false accuser in the UK named Gail Sherwood was sentenced to two years imprisonment. A woman’s group protested the fact that charges were even brought against her. Also this past week, a false rape claim at Penn State ignited a panic. When it turned out there was no rape, the university used the incident as an occasion to warn everyone to be careful of rapists. Go figure.

At Hofstra University recently, a student falsely accused four young men of gang-raping her in a dormitory bathroom. Based solely on her word and nothing else, and despite their strenuous denials, the young men were immediately arrested with bail set high enough to insure they wouldn’t get out. Only then did police bother to review the video evidence to find that she lied. She recanted, they were released, but she, of course, was not sentenced to any jail time. The poor thing lied because she didn’t want her boyfriend to know that she had willingly engaged in group sex.

Another New York girl recently accused three teens of rape, and even after she recanted, one of the teens spent months in prison.

In Richmond, California earlier this year, a 17-year-old girl’s rape lie landed the suspect, her boyfriend, behind bars for three days because she was angry at him for something. Weeks later, a 15-year-old girl falsely cried rape in the same town.

At Loyola U. recently, a student falsely claimed she was sexually assaulted by three fellow students. And a 32-year-old woman recently falsely accused three younger men and a juvenile male of raping her at a party. In Florida recently, a fifteen-year-old girl falsely accused four 17-year-olds of forcibly raping her. Another boy sits in jail over a rape allegation made by the same girl just the previous month.

Have you heard about the black woman who recanted her previous claim that she’d been gang raped by seven white men now serving prison sentences? Even Al Sharpton wants that recantation taken seriously — and that will tell you something. What about the group of four men cleared of gang raping a 21-year-old woman after they claimed she invited them back to her apartment and engaged in consensual sex? Or the 25-year-old woman who falsely claimed, in graphic detail no less, that six men (including her boyfriend) gang raped her? Or the 16-year-old schoolgirl who had the temerity to falsely accuse six of her male classmates of seriously sexually assaulting her multiple times over several hours on a playing field? Or the 25-year-old hairdresser who falsely claimed five men raped her, but her lie was uncovered when it was discovered that a phone camera had caught her in the act of having enthusiastic, consensual sex with two boys (yes, boys)? And I could go on and on.

Is Ben guilty? I have no idea. And neither do you. If it turns out he’s not, will all you who are rushing to judgment promise to come back and talk about that? You see, the initial rape report is big news. The fact that the accusation turns out to be false or that there is nsufficient evidence to bring charges is often grudgingly reported. When three University of Arkansas players were accused of an alleged rape incident at a fraternity, a local television station actually broke into the station’s regular programming to provide a four-plus minute breaking news report about the accusation. Needless to say, when the prosecutor decided not to bring rape charges against them, there was no similar coverage.

14 comments:

Snark said...

Owned.

Anonymous said...

In the time period where U.S. law enforcement are now "manufacturing statistics", and cashing these statistics in for federal dollars.. (See VAWA act), we don't know true from false anymore.
law enforcement in collusion with the gender feminist dominated "domestic violence industry", are now manufacturing faulty and inflammatory misinformation that is not only "prejudicing against the innocent", but also enabling violent and dangerous women who are public health hazards like Crystal Gail Magnum.
strategic use of law enforcement "protocol perversion" can and does "manufacture" anti-male misinformation that has crossed the line into ..un-constitutional!!
Break the gender feminist / law enforcement Alliance, it is a perversion, and is un-constitutional.

Archivist said...

COMMENT 81: Peg Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Pierce, you said:

“If it turns out he’s not, will all you who are rushing to judgment promise to come back and talk about that? You see, the initial RAPE report is big news.”

No one said rape, did they? Are you assuming rape?

COMMENT 82: Pierce H. Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Peg, I do appreciate your ham-handed rhetorical trick of suggesting I am assuming a rape occurred — after I just wrote over 1,000 words, telling all of you not to do that very thing. You really showed me. But, hey, I am sure that sort of “argument” goes over big in Women’s Studies class. Let me guess: you aren’t really into this “presumed innocence” crap when it comes sexual assault accusations, are you? I mean, who needs it, right?

For those who don’t know what Peg is talking about (and trust me, it’s damn peculiar), I was, of course, referring to ANY initial report that a rape MUST have occurred because — heck, some anonymous woman, about whom nobody knows anything, has made a claim based on facts that haven’t been revealed. And then it turns out that it’s false or unfounded.

But thanks for clarifying that, Peg. Real helpful.

Archivist said...

OK, I've had my fun on that blog. Time to move on before the angry banshees come out.

Anonymous said...

Archivist, you have "poked the bears" sort of speak.
You are arguing with a sort of Klan-esqe group think. Faulty and inflamatory misinformation being fed to the public , over, and over, and over, has the tendency to turn an otherwise rational legal system into a mild form of "Klan court", where the truth is irrelevant.
One way to short circuit the faulty and inflammatory misinformation that is causing mass hysteria is to tell law enforcement they can no longer engage in "manufacturing" it anymore.

Cannon's Canon said...

ahh, the tyranny of liberalism

Anonymous said...

"ahh, the tyranny of liberalism"
forced societal decay!!

Anonymous said...

"In the time period where U.S. law enforcement are now "manufacturing statistics", and cashing these statistics in for federal dollars.. (See VAWA act)"

Which program under the VAWA grants money to law enforcement based on statistics? I looked but couldn't find any.

Anonymous said...

I do not think VAWA pays law enforcement based on the number of false claims. I think the reality is more complex. While it is true that there are police abuses that are not fostered by feminism -- http://gothamist.com/2010/03/03/cop_claims_nypd_quota_is_20_summons.php -- I do not think police are part of a conspiracy with feminists.

VAWA was passed based on the lie that men are terrorizing women with impunity and that false rape claims against men are virtually non-existent. In turn, VAWA- funded programs indisputably promote false rape claims in innumerable ways -- claims that law enforcement has no choice but to enforce. See here: http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/RADARreport-False-DV-Allegations-Cost-20-Billion.pdf

VAWA creates a vicious cycle -- it was built on a lie, and it engenders more and more lies.

And college sexual assault counselors have an incentive to overreport to help them make the point that sexual assault deserved attention and funding. Remember UC Davis from last year? There is not underreporting, there is overreporting.

Anonymous said...

This is an awesome comment. Still, I'm sure some will minimize everything you say here.

Anonymous said...

Yes, this is a second accusation, coming not long after a first; yes, apparently Ben was out partying and hanging out with women, which is not what you might expect the victim of a false accusation to do; yes, he could just possibly be guilty of something (although my understanding is that this is NOT a rape accusation).

But although multiple accusations do enhance credibility, it doesn't follow that it's safe to presume guilty in either this or first case. There is still an awful lot of money to be made by accusing Ben Roethlisberger.

Let's wait and see. Remember: David Copperfield was flat out innocent, and there were other women accusing him of behaving badly as well.

Archivist said...

"Ben was out partying and hanging out with women, which is not what you might expect the victim of a false accusation to do . . . ."

After two years, we hope all falsely accused men resume their normal lives.

". . . multiple accusations do enhance credibility . . . ." Depends on the accusations.

Anonymous said...

"Which program under the VAWA grants money to law enforcement based on statistics? I looked but couldn't find any."

Where did you look? Did you consult the actual statute? Or are you just being a dick?

Anonymous said...

"This is an awesome comment."

I agree, and counting anons, that makes at least three of us...

"Still, I'm sure some will minimize everything you say here."

Which is fine. I don't have a problem with argument or disagreement as long as it's based on facts and reason, unlike this comment:

"Where did you look? Did you consult the actual statute? Or are you just being a dick?"

when a much more helpful response would be to cite the actual statute as evidence. What I find inconsistent is that this blog is all over radical feminists when they make ad hominem attacks and ipse dixit assertions, but those things seem perfectly acceptable here as long as they are on one side of this particular issue.