Thursday, March 18, 2010

Horrendous news of innocent man beaten, sodomized over lover's rape lie

What can I possibly say about the following news story -- a story that details a terrible assault on an innocent man, all because his lover was mad at him?  To say that these facts are "shocking" trivializes them.  This -- this, ladies and gentlemen -- is the price of a false rape claim.  As you read the story, please think about these words, over and over:  "But the pair [who beat the innocent man] believed Williams [the false rape accuser] . . . ."  Of course they did.  After being told over and over and over that women don't lie about rape, and that false rape claims are a myth . . . of course they did.  Now imagine if the pair knew what regular readers of this site know . . . .

HERE IS THE AWFUL NEWS STORY:

Cops: Woman's lie about rape led to lover's beating, sodomy

Renada Williams told her alleged cohorts in crime that her lover had raped her and that she had come up with a horrific plan of revenge, which left one police veteran cold.

"This type of crime shocks your consciousness," said Capt. Jack McGinnis, of Northeast Detectives. "I've been doing this for 38 years and this is really bad. How can people treat each other like this, and how do you bring a 16-year-old into this?"

While Williams stood by in her Frankford home, her acquaintances, Shawn Aiken and the teen, allegedly beat her 29-year-old lover with their hands, a 4-by-4-foot wood plank, extension cords and a mop.

The perpetrators allegedly yelled at their victim, "You raped her!" He responded, "I didn't do that, I didn't do that."

But the pair believed Williams, and continued to punch the victim, McGinnis said.

The victim was then "violated with the mop stick repeatedly over time," undergoing nearly 24 hours of torture, according to the victim and police.

Williams, of Church Street near Penn, and the 16-year-old, of Granite Street near Torresdale Avenue, were arrested and charged with aggravated assault, robbery and related crimes, McGinnis said.

Police have a warrant out for Aiken, 20, of Moyamensing Avenue near Moore Street. Authorities ask anyone who knows of his whereabouts to call Northeast Detectives at 215-686-3153.

McGinnis said that police still don't know why Williams came up with the plan. She gave a rape motive to acquaintances, Aiken and the teen, but never told any friend that she had been raped, he said. She did not report it to Philadelphia police, he said.

The victim told police that he never raped her, but that the two had argued the week before.

Williams told a few friends that the man had threatened to lay hands on her, McGinnis said, but the victim denied this as well.

"She was apparently really mad at him," McGinnis said.

About 10 p.m. Sunday, Williams called her sex partner of six months to her Frankford home and enticed him with sex, McGinnis said. While they were having sex, she excused herself to let in the two males, McGinnis said.

Aiken and the teen rushed in and apparently began to beat up the Northeast man with their bare hands, but it escalated from there.

At some point the males tied the man to a sofa with extension cords and began to strike him with the wood plank, electric cords and a mop, the captain said.

Their purported deeds grew more atrocious. The thrashing from the wood plank left the victim with open wounds, McGinnis said. Aiken and the teen then poured Clorox bleach and ammonia over the man, causing stinging sores.

Then the duo took Pine-Sol floor cleaner to lubricate the mop and sodomize the victim "several times" over the time he was held by the trio, McGinnis said.

The ordeal ended only when Williams' roommate, who owns the house and rents to her, arrived at 8:40 p.m. Monday and interrupted the alleged criminal activity, he said.

The roommate tried to call 9-1-1, but Williams and her pals tried to prevent her, McGinnis said. The woman escorted the naked, disoriented victim outside the house where he fell to the ground. A few minutes later police arrived and took him to Aria Health - Frankford campus.

Detectives didn't immediately ascertain the extent of his injuries or the nature of the crimes because doctors had to treat the victim, McGinnis said. It was sometime during the night that they learned how serious the victim was injured.

Police had wanted to take the man to Episcopal Hospital where many rape victims go, but doctors felt that it was unsafe for him to be taken anywhere, McGinnis said.

Link:  http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20100318_Cops__Woman_s_lie_about_rape_led_to_lover_s_beating__sodomy.html

72 comments:

Snark said...

False rape accusers = rapists.

They are worse than rapists, in fact.

Now watch as feminists remain completely silent about this - or will insist that this woman not be prosecuted, in case 'real' rape victims don't come forward.

Feminists are worse than rapists.

Archivist said...

Snark, the silence is already deafening.

They foment a culture where this sort of thing can occur. They enable it. They foster it. And they approve of it by their silence and by their refusal to stand up against it other than to shrug their shoulders.

The liar wouldn't have lied if she had known her claim would be viewed with skepticism, and the young men wouldn't have avenged her "honor" if they had healthy doubts about rape claims.

This is what happens when we are fed thirty years of "you must believe the 'victim'" by misandrists, manginas, and man-hating radical feminists.

It also proves something else rather ironic, doesn't it? Men take rape a hell of a lot more seriously than a lot of women. These two young men are going to spend years behind bars because they actually believed this lying piece of menstrual ooze was actually raped.

My guess is she'll get less time, if any, than they will. For obvious reasons.

AfOR said...

this is surely attempted murder, conspiracy to do same, had not the room mate arrived in time...

AfOR said...

this is surely attempted murder

Anonymous said...

False rape accusations used to just lynch black men..but not anymore!!
It is a perversion of the American legal system that has fostered this current false rape accusation culture.

Anonymous said...

How about send this to Rick Sanchez

He is already covering false rape issues!!

http://ricksanchez.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/17/i-didnt-rape-anybody/

Let's email him and make him aware of this site. NOW!

John Smith said...

wow. just wow. imagine walking in on that. like....what do you say/do?

Anonymous said...

What kind of perversion has become embedded in the American legal system that has fostered this false rape accusation culture.
Break the gender feminist / law enforcement misinformation Alliance. Get gender feminism out of our legal system, it is perverting it.

slwerner said...

Snark - "Now watch as feminists remain completely silent about this - or will insist that this woman not be prosecuted, in case 'real' rape victims don't come forward."

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I'd like to see how gender-feminists (like the troll from yesterday) would equate what this man suffered through, to what some college girl goes through being coerced into sex.

Is it known if Renada Williams committed the sodomy, or did she direct it to be done via her proxies?

If she neither touched the mop stick nor gave any indication to her accomplices to sodomize the victim, you can bet the gender-feminist defenders of Williams will make hay with that to argue that it was "those men", and not her who is to blame.

Anonymous said...

If the legal system no longer protects the innocent..then why are we still paying them??

slwerner said...

Anonymous - "What kind of perversion has become embedded in the American legal system that has fostered this false rape accusation culture."

Oh Crap! Just what we needed at a moment such as this. [/sarcasm]

Is there some sort of webbot auto-posting these comments?

Snark said...

As I said on my blog about this issue:

Quite frankly, women have lost the right to be believed when they cry rape.

Unless hard evidence can be provided, they should never be believed, and should simply be sent home.

The costs to innocent people, when we believe women simply because they are women, are too high. Feminists will cry about rape being an under-reported crime, but the truth is that rape is the only over-reported crime.

In my estimation, 60-65% of reported 'rapes' are completely fabricated.

Some estimate higher, and I find their estimates to be conceivable even if I don't personally agree.

And it is feminists who have fomented a culture where this can occur, by crying over and over that women never lie about rape, and that they must be believed - and then they remain completely silent in the face of atrocities like these.

Or, even more sickening, they argue that if women who cry rape are prosecuted, it will deter real rape victims from coming forward.

Not likely - I would be surprised if there is a single real rape victim who hasn't, or won't, report the crime.

Considering how easy it is.

Obviously there is no shame in reporting rape, since women who have not even been raped manage to report it all the time.

Every single day.

And I know for certain that radical feminists will actually be happy to hear of this atrocity, because a man was harmed - they get off on this kind of thing. The more suffering, the more they enjoy it - because they are sick and defective people.

And they are the same sick and defective people who peddle lies about rape, demonise all men, criminalise innocent men, and say nothing when the effects of their hate lead to atrocities like this. In fact, they will keep on insisting that women must be believed, and that 99% of men are rapists, and so on.

And that is why feminists are worse than rapists - far, far worse, in fact. These people sicken me to my very core. While rapists are individuals committing individual crimes, feminists have institutionalised and systematised all kinds of abuse against men, including, but not limited to, rape.

That is why feminists are worse than rapists. As horrible and evil as real rapists are, feminists are so much worse.

I wonder why we have not yet gathered our pitchforks and torches, and chased them out of civilisation.

Seriously - I am curious as to why this has not happened yet.

A good number of feminists belong in prison, for what they have done, and should only be permitted back into civilisation once they have been reformed.

Archivist said...

Once a rape lie is unleashed, the person who utters it should be responsible for all the ensuing harm. Avenging a woman's honor (as ridiculous as that sounds in this instance) has been a time-honored act of chivalry for rape, and it is a foreseeable consequence of a rape lie.

What did this woman expect would happen when she reported she'd been raped? What did she INTEND to happen? I suspect that she intended the very thing that DID happen.

Harm that is reasonably foreseeable can be prevented. Foreseeable harm needs to be attributed to the person who failed to prevent it.

Felidaeus said...

I'm missing something here...

He was a "sex buddy" of six months, and she invited him over, and then went to the other room, where her two goons were waiting to let them in and beat him up???

How on earth does ANYBODY think the guy could be raping her?

Hey, I'm just going to invite my "rapist" over, he's going to "rape" me, like he did yesterday, the day before, the day before, and the day before, and then you go beat him up.

slwerner said...

Felidaeus - "How on earth does ANYBODY think the guy could be raping her?

Hey, I'm just going to invite my "rapist" over, he's going to "rape" me, like he did yesterday, the day before, the day before, and the day before, and then you go beat him up."


That's a damned good question! And, a damned fine point to make.

AfOR said...

The truth is probably "if you (guys B and C) come over tomorrow and beat the crap out of guy A, you can both fuck me afterwards.. it'll be HAAWWWT!"

Anonymous said...

Oh my God, this woman is a sadist. How could anyone do this?

I pray she gets thrown in prison for attempted murder and rape for the rest of her life.

This case needs to be on national news. Any suggestions how to get it on the major news networks? Pierce? Steve?
CBGirl

AfOR said...

Do a google image search on Renada Williams, if you have a strong stomach, then a web search and check the cached myspace page..

ugh

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous at 1:33 PM

BUMP!!

DEFINITELY, EVERYONE GO LOOK AT THIS ONE.

http://ricksanchez.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/17/i-didnt-rape-anybody/

RADIO TALK SHOW HOST EDWARD "REESE" HOPKINS JAILED ON FALSE RAPE CLAIM.

Anonymous said...

More info on the Reese Hopkins case:

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=112079.msg893732

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/10/former_wrko_tal.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Reese_Hopkins

Anonymous said...

"How on earth does ANYBODY think the guy could be raping her?

Hey, I'm just going to invite my "rapist" over, he's going to "rape" me, like he did yesterday, the day before, the day before, and the day before, and then you go beat him up."

Very good point,but she is an evil bitch who thinks hurt feeling mean rape and revenge is the only way to get back.Rape is not about fear,pain and being ashamed anymore so you don't want to see the rapist anymore.It's all about hurt feelings and revenge (huge sarcasm).

AfOR said...

"How on earth does ANYBODY think the guy could be raping her?

Hey, I'm just going to invite my "rapist" over, he's going to "rape" me, like he did yesterday, the day before, the day before, and the day before,"


You wait till my case is over and you can read all the details...

This kind of freaky TOTALLY NONSENSICAL, SELF-CONTRADICTORY, INSANE BULLSHIT, frankly isn't that rare in FRAs

Anonymous said...

"Break the gender feminist / law enforcement misinformation Alliance."

Yes, let's not blame the false accuser, or the other two who brutally tortured an innocent man for nearly 24 hours. Instead, let's blame the police who did absolutely nothing wrong.

Anonymous said...

"That's a damned good question! And, a damned fine point to make."

Ditto.

Anonymous said...

"Break the gender feminist / law enforcement misinformation Alliance."

Yes, let's not blame the false accuser, or the other two who brutally tortured an innocent man for nearly 24 hours. Instead, let's blame the police who did absolutely nothing wrong.

Its not just that they didn't do anything WRONG...They just didn't do ANYTHING to protect innocent men and boys from false rape accusations. The law enforcement have "perverted" their protocol over the last 30 years..which has enabled thousands of false rape accusers to " COME FORWARD" with their lies.
scott

Archivist said...

My guess is that she told the guys the "rapist" is coming over, and then she made sure he was "raping" her when they got there. Their reaction of rage is common for men when they learn that a woman they know has been raped.

AfOR said...

According to the story, the two guys were ALREADY there, hiding in another room, when the victim arrived.

Anonymous said...

There is literally no punishment sufficient for this heinous crime. Everyone involved, especially the woman, needs a life sentence, plus change.

AfOR said...

http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2997:woman-falsely-accuse-two-men-of-rape&catid=38:travel-tips&Itemid=18

randian said...

Why are they being charged with aggravated assault rather than sexual assault?

Anonymous said...

I notice she is not even charged with rape!

Watch this story how it plays out she will get a maximum of a month in jail and of course will NOT have to register as a sex offender.

Sex offender registries are reserved for hardened criminals like guys who pee in public.

On the flip side a guy gets a 20 year sentence on a woman's word alone when no rape even occurred.

But if you live in the United States this is no surprise to you.

Anonymous said...

Randian

Sorry I posted that without reading your comment...but it looks like we think alike.

I think I know the reason she is not being charged with rape.

Because IF convicted and that is a big IF it would mean sex offender registry and some prison time.

This way they charge her with assault and they can give her a joke of a punishment even if she is found guilty and no sex offender registry.

It's always nice to see how little a guy's life is worth. It seems to me that this guy could have easily been killed and well that is no big deal.



I remember the story of the guy that was drugged and anally raped that was on here a little while back.

The lady that did that got away without even one day in jail and of course did not even have to register as as sex offender.


Sit back and watch her get a joke of a punishment if anything at all.

Nick S said...

The guys who did this are obviously a bunch of sadistic sickos who probably couldn't have cared less whether the allegation is true or not, but just want any excuse to inflict some gratuitous suffering on another human being. They ought to be locked away for life.

While it is true that a lot of men react badly to the thought that a woman they know has been raped, there is a vast difference between certain situations. For example, a lot of men would beat up a stranger or acquaintance who attacks a woman. But only a complete nutjob would respond to an allegation of relationship rape with such extreme violence and torture.

Nick S said...

"How on earth does ANYBODY think the guy could be raping her?

Hey, I'm just going to invite my "rapist" over, he's going to "rape" me, like he did yesterday, the day before, the day before, and the day before, and then you go beat him up."

Exactly. These guys obviously aren't very smart and/or they simply couldn't care less either way, but simply wanted any excuse for some gratuitous violence.

gwallan said...

From NBC Philly...Man Lured by Ex Sex, Sodomized With Broomstick: Cops

Police arrested Williams and the juvenile alleged attacker. The woman faces charges of Aggravated Assault, Sexual Assault and Robbery. Police issued an arrest warrant for the 20-year-old assailant.

Anonymous said...

"I'm sad that this happened to my brother and he's a nice young man. It's not right,"

It always happens to the nice guys.
If he weren't such a nice person and he had a proper back in his life something like this would never happen.

Hey it's totaly the womans fault and others and not him.But there is certainly about something that keeps happening to nice guys in this world that never would happen if they were a little more serious for the good of him and other then just being nice to others.

randian said...

The woman faces charges of Aggravated Assault, Sexual Assault and Robbery

That's not what the philly.com link in the original post said ("arrested and charged with aggravated assault, robbery and related crimes"), that's why I was wondering.

Archivist said...

She intended the harm that befell this innocent man and used the two assailants (who should not be excused for their roles) in the same skillful manner a gunslinger brandishes a gun.

llyando said...

That's so awful. How can people be so cruel? I hope they rot in jail. Bastards.

Anonymous said...

""She was apparently really mad at him," McGinnis said."

Being really mad at him was ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT SHE CAUSED! I can only imagine what this man will have to endure for the rest of his life.

Snark said...
False rape accusers = rapists.

They are worse than rapists, in fact.

Now watch as feminists remain completely silent about this - or will insist that this woman not be prosecuted, in case 'real' rape victims don't come forward.

Feminists are worse than rapists.

Mar 18, 2010 1:04:00 PM

I can almost here the words of the feminazis; "well he MUST have done something!"

"Feminists are worse than rapists.

Feminists are worse than murderous war criminals. I personally and politically hold them responsible for what this man went through and, what he is going to have to go through for the rest of his life.

Snark said...

"She intended the harm that befell this innocent man and used the two assailants (who should not be excused for their roles) in the same skillful manner a gunslinger brandishes a gun."

This occurred to me too, Archivist.

The two men should never be excused for what they did - they must receive lengthy sentences, and should be placed on the sex offenders register.

However - the woman manipulated them both nonetheless. This doesn't detract from their agency. They could have stopped at any point, and they chose not to.

But she assumes the position of mafia boss - giving the order but not getting her hands dirty herself.

All this makes me realise that feminism can be likened to an abuse protection racket.

Anonymous said...

"Being really mad at him was ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT SHE CAUSED! I can only imagine what this man will have to endure for the rest of his life."

Tell that to the feminist who think it's okay to hurt a man when they are mad at him or if the man cheated.
It's never okay to hurt someone like that.But feminist are spreading such messages that they are suddenly entitled for the punishing and using such violence just because they feel mad or if the husband cheated.

Anonymous said...

And now you get to watch the next WORST part....watch her get away with it.

Anonymous said...

I would not doubt that the guy that was horribly beaten and raped will face rape charges himself.

And the woman will be given a pass one way or the other.

They might say she was so traumatized by being "raped" that she is not responsible.

Next she appears on oprah and writes a book.

Anonymous said...

No crime, including false rape accusations, compares to actual rape. That's why fra's are not severely punished.

Anonymous said...

Bullshit! False rape accusations are a hundred times worse than just a rape.

You're a feminist moron!

Anonymous said...

The 'just a rape' attitude is precisely why you can't get anybody's attention. Now who's the moron

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous at 11:29 PM

"The 'just a rape' attitude is precisely why you can't get anybody's attention. Now who's the moron"

You'll not find many 'just a rape' attitudes here. Also, you've likely never been falsely accused, like I have. I'm not one to descend into name calling, so I won't bother to question your intelligence. There is already enough suffering for valid and extant rape victims AND for those who have been falsely accused. Which is worse? I hope I never have to answer that question, but it may end up that way. In the mean time, the profoundly negative effects the false claim has had on my life, health, career, friendships, relationships with my family, and significant others has no equal in terms of suffering and grief. A valid rape claim is grounded in reality and truth and the victim will get support from any number of agencies, friends, and family -- and a valid rape victim has the law contorted to protect even their prior lies if they have made them, and further the law protects their identities. A false rape claim is grounded in the confabulations and malice of a grotesque liar's desire to destroy another human being and the law is biased in the liar's favor. An innocent person exposed to the world by a false rape claim is no longer seen as a human being -- the are villified by the justice system and society, they must register as sex offenders, are tracked like animals, hunted, sometimes raped, beaten, and killed. They are forced to live under bridges and overpasses. The falsely accused will never be able to hold the same position in society they had before. They are humiliated and have their very souls taken away. As traumatic as it is for a rape victim, he or she is not villified by the entire world for the rest of their lives, nor made to suffer in the same way as a falsely accused person. As such I cannot believe that being raped is worse than being falsely accused. I hope I never find out and I hope even more that you are never falsely accused.

Anonymous said...

The 'just a rape' attitude is precisely why you can't get anybody's attention. Now who's the moron
***

YOU are. Take a look around you, fembot. You're not in Kansas any more.

At False Rape Society, we understand that even the threat of 25 years in prison for something you didn't do is infinitely worse than a rape, so please don't imagine that your usual canned misandrist attacks are going to get you anywhere here.

Anonymous said...

"gender feminists" are not only women, in fact their are many gender males who attack men anyway they can in order to "Forward" their gender/Raunch feminist agenda.

Anonymous said...

Just to show the stupidity of the feminist poster saying false accusations do not compare to actual rape.

This thread is about a false accusation that got a guy raped.

Not to mention he was also beaten so badly he nearly died.

Anonymous said...

It is a perversion of our legal system that has led to the societal false rape accusation explosion. Some law enforcement jurisdictions are more "gender feminist" perverted than others.

Anonymous said...

It's the feminist perversion of our entire society, which has diminished the importance of truth as compared to so-called "sensitivity," and has diminished the family in favor of a crude, childish sense of gender-based vindictiveness.

Anonymous said...

11:29
"A valid rape claim is grounded in reality and truth and the victim will get support from any number of ----- "

You're forgetting one thing. Rape victims who remain silent suffer every bit of the damage as the falsely accused. Silence profoundly effects their lives in the areas you stated:
health, career, friendships, relationships with family and friends, and a wide array of other areas.
Sorry you find yourself in a nasty situation. Hope you can crawl out of that abyss and create a decent life for yourself.
When those around you describe rape as 'just a rape', it lessens the credibility of this site.

Archivist said...

"Rape victims who remain silent suffer every bit of the damage as the falsely accused."

It is apples and oranges. It would be difficult to fathom anything worse than being jailed or imprisoned for a rape I didn't commit. If given the awful choice, I'd take the rape over that.

Anonymous said...

Part 1 of 2
"When those around you describe rape as 'just a rape', it lessens the credibility of this site."

Well... just as you are entitled to your opinion, so are they. It doesn't make them less credible because they hold angry or less erudite opinions. We are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. I try to steer away from attacks on people and address the issues. False rape accusations and valid rape claims are highly emotional topics for many reasons. Instead of attacking each other, descending into name-calling and abuse (which happens on both sides of the fence all-too-often), how much better it would be if we could think, act, and speak with the dignity and highest good of all concerned in mind and bring true justice, equality, and fairness back to the forefront. As a falsely accused man, I want to solve this problem for everybody, not just me. I feel just as bad for valid rape victims as I do for myself. I can't say which is worse not having been raped, but I can say it is the worst thing that has ever happened to me. Hopefully, the biases and prejudices we all hold can be trumped through paying attention in our thoughts, writings and interactions with each other, here on FRS, and in real life to ensure that we maintain: clarity, accuracy, precision, relevance, depth, breadth, significance, logic, and fairness in our communications (See http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/ourConceptCT.cfm)

As I mentioned in a comment on a post here on 31 Jan 2010 @ 1407: "Why and how do these arguments, [semantic or otherwise], get started? At the emotional center and the likely cause of all this conflict, regardless of whether one is a falsely accused person, a gender-masculist, gender-feminist, equity-feminist, or an advocate for equal justice is the concept of humiliation and the feeling of being humiliated. It was in part the humiliation of Germany after WWI that brought about WWII. It was a handful of women who felt humiliated by their circumstances that brought about social changes early in the last century in the United States that helped push for equality: the right to vote, equal work for equal pay, etc. It is the current humiliation of mostly young men and boys [ and to be fair, women too ] at the hands of an unjust and unfair legal system that has brought about the need for this site.

Dr. Evelin Lindner describes how humiliation can be responded to in this article:

http://www.humiliationstudies.org/documents/evelin/SpatialMetaphor.pdf


"Humiliation may be responded to within four categories of reactions: i) Humiliation may be accepted, ii) it may be responded to with depression, iii) it may be countered with aggression, or iv) it may be reacted to with the elimination of the humiliators, either by annihilating their significance, or their physical existence, or by an unexpected method, namely by gaining their respect.

The last method is the only one that yields lasting peace. Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi stand for this alternative. For thirty years most people expected a bloodbath in South Africa. Why did it not happen? Mainly because Nelson Mandela taught his followers how to overcome the pain and anger caused by humiliation under the system of apartheid.

In South Africa the humiliators and the humiliated sat down together and planned for a society in which ‘both black and white’ could be ‘assured of their inalienable right to human dignity.’
..continued..

Anonymous said...

Part 2 of 2
Instead of killing and annihilating his humiliators, Mandela succeeded in convincing them that they ought to discontinue their humiliation. He impressed the white elite. He stepped out of the ‘humiliator’/’humiliated’ dyad, he stepped out of the role of the re-actor, and became an actor. He rejected the definition of the situation given by the humiliator, and with it the ‘normal’ response to humiliation, namely the upholding of an unbridgeable gap towards the humiliator. Mandela, as well as Gandhi, ‘undermined’ the gruesome paradigm of humiliation, and invented a peaceful response to humiliation, namely the denial to accept the role of the victim."

The conflicts caused by misinformation can end when everyone acknowledges rational, authoritative sources of information; when everyone has respect for critical thinking and fair and just treatment; and when there is truth and accuracy in reporting.

Until then, we need to address the needs of BOTH legitimate rape complainants AND the falsely accused to restore dignity to individuals and groups on all sides of the false rape conflict."

Anonymous said...

Since when do rape victims suffer in silence? Rape victims have buckets of sympathy dumped on them everywhere they go.

It is only the victims of false accusations that continue to be violated for the rest of their lives by morons who feel obligated to continue supporting the criminal and her lies.

Anonymous said...

4:28
"I can't say which is worse not having been raped, but I can say it is the worst thing that has ever happened to me."

Wise statement.
On victims of rape or the falsely accused, your words are a breath of fresh air in an otherwise dismal site restricted to tunnel vision. I commend you for seeking a fair balance.

Part 1 and 2, very important that both sides read this daily until they've got it memorized.

Snark said...

I don't see there being two 'sides'.

I see a group of people standing up for justice and drawing attention to the gross violations of innocent people made by an abusive system which enables the worst kind of liars and criminals.

And then I see another group who joyfully condone abuse against innocent men, deny their victimisation, or tell them that they deserved it.

The latter are not a 'side'. They are mere children who have not learned how to control their emotions and engage in adult discussions.

We should not degrade ourselves by patronising to speak with them on equal terms. We will speak down to them at all times, as they are misbehaving children who do not understand the effects of their words.

Anonymous said...

You're right, Snark. This is definitely not a two-sided issue. We are 110% in the right.

Anonymous said...

Anon"Sorry you find yourself in a nasty situation. Hope you can crawl out of that abyss and create a decent life for yourself.
When those around you describe rape as 'just a rape', it lessens the credibility of this site.

Mar 20, 2010 12:56:00 PM"

I've been on the sidelines of both situations -


The rape? Terrible. HORRIBLE. It took YEARS of grief and agony - not to mention two DUIs and nearly dying in a ditch while drinking to escape the pain. It took YEARS to recover from. YEARS.
After the accident she pulled it together, decided life was worth living, and living an exemplary life that alcohol is no longer a part of. The love of a good man and a beautiful baby fill her days with love and joy. She is so strong, and has triumphed. An incredible woman.

The False rape? Terrible. HORRIBLE. Indefensible accusations. Injustice. Economic diaster. Jail time. Probation. Ankle monitor. Sex offender registration. Being seen as a criminal. Loss of friends. Forced to confess, a life of dread and fear. Years and years of registering with police. Haunted. Reviled. Fear. Always fear. A man without a country. A man that can't leave the country that hates him. When you move you register. When you travel you register. When you apply for a job, you explain. And apply for another job when word gets out. Afraid to have a wife, afraid to bring a family into your pivate hell.

A never ending life sentence. You can NEVER put it behind you - you will never be allowed. The punishment is never ending.

Both true stories.

One had a choice to heal and move on. The other will never be allowed - it only gets worse with the passing of time, passing of new laws, passing of judgment.

Take your pick, Anon. I don't want to damage the credibility of this site by saying what I think is worse.

Anonymous said...

5:43
I don't want to damage the credibility of this site by saying what I think is worse.

But you'd like to, wouldn' you. There lies the gap between 'sides' (rape victims vs. falsely accused).

Snark, agreed, in a perfect world, there would be no 'sides' except the victim's side. Unfortunately we each enjoy measuring our pain against someone else's pain. Doesn't make a lot of sense for an individual to hammer home how much worse her pain is compared to his, or vice versa. We humans are an strange breed of animals.

Snark said...

I think that the comparisons stem from the fact that FRAs are not taken seriously, or are considered trivial matters by many.

CLEARLY THEY ARE NOT. And that needs to be pounded into the skulls of feminists and others who are, charitably speaking, grossly uninformed.

Hence the comparisons. A case like this one, for instance, is easily worse than most rapes. Hell, it INVOLVED rape, several times, plus extremely brutal torture, over a period of 24 hours.

To deny that this is worse than most rapes is to say that a rape would be made better, or at least no worse, if it is combined with torture and happens several times. Which is clearly ridiculous.

I think that a lot of times, FRAs are worse for the victim than your average rape - this site has shown us the grisly details all too often for this to not be true. Also considering that the legal definition of 'rape' now includes consensual sex where either of the people is drunk in some places, it's easy to see that FRAs are sometimes worse for the victim.

It's people trivialising the suffering of FRA victims that makes it necessary to draw such comparisons.

Anonymous said...

Outside the internet, I hear zip about fra's or valid rapes except for high profile cases such as Duke or Polanski or the teenager in Richmond.

All victims regardless of gender are begging for validation. I'd like to get rid of the extremists, both the feminists and the men who hate the feminists.

FRA's are far less recognized that valid rapes, I'll give you that. As a society we aren't there yet. It's shameful how victims discount the pain of other victims because of gender. Feminist sites are just as bad as this one.

Anonymous said...

Snark

I agree with you and love your comments.


Most of these "rape" cases I hear about with females as the "victim" have little or no proof that ANYTHING even happened.

It seems it's nearly always a I got drunk and he raped me...with zero injuries or proof story.


This guy has proof of a totally vicious attack and you don't hear about this all over the national news.

Snark said...

"I'd like to get rid of the extremists, both the feminists and the men who hate the feminists."

You'd like to 'get rid of' people who hold certain views, huh.

How would you go about 'getting rid of' living, breathing, human beings, pray tell?

The only ways I can think of would be rather 'extreme'. And hate feminists as I do, I wouldn't suggest that we should 'get rid of' anyone. So who is really 'extreme', here?

Anonymousfair said...

Snark, it's a common expression not meant in the literal sense.

Back there where you said the grisly attack of this man is much worse than your average rape, that's apples to oranges.

Snark said...

But this attack involved rape, several times, plus torture.

Obviously, rape + rape + rape + torture is worse than rape.

Otherwise you are saying that rape is made better, or is at least no worse, if it happens several times and combined with torture.

So obviously this was worse than an average rape.

Snark said...

Just so we're clear ... you're saying that comparing a rape with rapes is comparing apples and oranges.

Why might this be - because a man is the victim in this case, so it doesn't matter as much?

If the two are incomparable, it's because what this man went through is so much worse than an average rape.

Anonymous said...

Snark

You are RIGHT.

Anonymous said...

This was a horrific rape, not just second thoughts after drunk sex or taking five seconds to pull out. One of the most violent crimes I ever heard of.

But it happened to a man, so people don't care.